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Post by maya on May 4, 2010 13:26:12 GMT -5
I hope Nino wasn't right...there must be another scenario for them. Lots of football players are gay and are able to live their life even if in the closet. Let's hope so... I'm a little worried about the killer reveal...
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Post by masonville on May 4, 2010 14:24:13 GMT -5
Thanks for responding Flaco&Lalo and bdc!!! You’re right about Flaco being at the end of his career and his dilemma appears more complicated to me because he has more variables in his equation to achieve happiness. What about Lalo? The way I see it Lalo has only 2 variables – career vs Flaco/love. Unfortunately but not unexpectedly Lalo's youth, impressionability, inexperience and poor coping mechanisms are making his decisions as complicated as Flaco’s. I’m going to raise the following point(s) Is it naïve to think that Flaco is the love of Lalo’s life…his one and only…his forever/HEA? Lalo is very young and inexperienced; apparently this is his first homosexual relationship and he admires Flaco on so many levels, one of which is as a soccer idol whom he wants to emulate. Unlike Flaco who has had both heterosexual and homosexual experiences (with more than one partner) and who has a reference point as to "what is real love?" and what is infatuation, Lalo is just coming to terms with his homosexuality. You’ll excuse me for saying that Lalo comes off as impressionable and insecure. He is trying to establish himself as a soccer/football player and earn the respect of his team-mates and the fans, unfortunately his "big mouth" and rashness have made him the butt of jokes in the locker room and amongst the women in the show. Marga treats him poorly and Lili was able to stare him down…admittedly the guilt he was feeling toward her contributed to him backing down. I don’t envy his position and acknowledge that he is under a lot of pressure, but he isnt making things easy for himself. His impulsiveness has gotten him into trouble with the law and he is guilty of involuntary man-slaughter (Vanina’s). He is ruled by his emotions and is indiscreet as evidenced by public death threats which he has made against Giselle and Marga. I also recall an incident where he tried to silence his team-mate, Anguila (?spelling) by submerging him in the Jacuzzi…at least that was in private. He is in a new environment where he needs to act responsibly and professionally. This is not happening in my opinion and it needs to if he wants to be regarded as a soccer/football star. Talent will only get you so far, positive public perception gets you the rest of the way! I’m interested to see what Lalo’s going to do. On the one hand he wants to be a soccer/football star, on the other he says he loves Flaco, yet his immediate response when they got caught was what was going to happen to him. Fear rose to the surface. Where was the determination to fight for love...to fight for Flaco? I'm sure he knew that the discovery had negative consequences for Flaco's life also, but those concerns werent manifested in Lalo's initial reaction. Assuming that the soccer/football world will not take the revelation of his relationship with Flaco kindly, Lalo has no assurances (other than Flaco's declarations) that Flaco is the one that he will happily spend the rest of his life with. He has no assurances that choosing Flaco will provide him with vocational satisfaction. There are only so many hours in the day that can be spent making love. What’s he going to do with the rest of his time? Few people can live on love alone. It takes courage to make the sacrifices that have great impact on the course of one's life...especially at such an early point in one's life. Is it realistic to expect Lalo to make these sacrifices and take this leap of faith? Does he have the maturity to make the decisions? Is it fair to expect him to act with maturity when his life experience is so limited? Oh well I'm loving the discussion we're having…excellent points are being raised by all Additionally, everyone's English is phenomenal!!! It's humbling to see how multi-lingual the European and South American participants are. Anywhy, it’s 16:00 pm in Argentina. Showtime is at 22:30!!!! Let the fireworks begin!!! I want to find out who Giselle's murderer is also. On a humorous note, someone needs to tell these people how to behave at a murder scene. I've seen more finesse handling a knife at an abattoir
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Post by bdc on May 4, 2010 16:41:34 GMT -5
Let's hope so... I'm a little worried about the killer reveal... I think none of the 3 suspected (Lalo, Tato and Nino) was the real murderer....it would be too easy, we already saw them with a knife in their hands or with red spots on their shirts. Maybe Marga or her mother Ethel. Giselle saw her man (Nino, do you know Nino and Giselle usually had extreme sex? hahahaha ) and Marga making love.
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Post by Flaco&Lalo on May 4, 2010 17:19:28 GMT -5
I agree with you bdc, I think none of the suspects is the real murderer and the writers told a few days ago that it would be the least suspected, so we can rule out Lalo who's been a major suspect since the very beginning.. @ masonville I'm curious too to know what Lallo will do, he's been written as a quite f*cked up kid until he met Manuel, he still killed a girl even though involuntarily and his girlfriend Candy is coming back in the upcoming episodes.. it's gonna be interesting to watch
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Post by bdc on May 4, 2010 17:39:55 GMT -5
Football is one of the last professions where homosexuality is still a taboo, Tato was right. But it's impossible to think that there are no gay or bisexual players, at all. So what? It's implicit that these people are keeping their sexual preferences secret, having low profiles or presenting straight (not to say macho) images. Don't say it= It doesn't exist. There were straight players who quit football before the natural end of their careers teased in the locker room by fellow footballers just because someone else accused them to be gay, due to their different interests/hobbies , like Graeme Le Saux, the former England and Chelsea defender. Have a look to this interesting article news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/4427718.stm "Why are there no openly gay footballers? "
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Post by masonville on May 4, 2010 18:14:41 GMT -5
Okay sports fans Look at thisDoesnt Pato (ACMilan/Brazil) remind y'all of someone?
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Post by margie on May 4, 2010 18:29:12 GMT -5
Let's hope so... I'm a little worried about the killer reveal... I think none of the 3 suspected (Lalo, Tato and Nino) was the real murderer....it would be too easy, we already saw them with a knife in their hands or with red spots on their shirts. Maybe Marga or her mother Ethel. Giselle saw her man (Nino, do you know Nino and Giselle usually had extreme sex? hahahaha ) and Marga making love. I hope it is Marga. I can't stand her.
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Post by bdc on May 4, 2010 18:33:15 GMT -5
Okay sports fans Look at thisDoesnt Pato (ACMilan/Brazil) remind y'all of someone? Lalitooooooooo but Ezequiel is hotter
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Post by masonville on May 4, 2010 18:43:55 GMT -5
Okay sports fans Look at thisDoesnt Pato (ACMilan/Brazil) remind y'all of someone? Lalitooooooooo but Ezequiel is hotter I thought so too, bdc Ezequiel (luscious lips Lalo as I like to think of him) also reminds me of Michelangelo's David. I think they share similar facial structure and hair ... and both can be considered works of art ;D
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Post by bdc on May 4, 2010 18:50:23 GMT -5
I thought so too, bdc Ezequiel ( luscious lips Lalo as I like to think of him) also reminds me of Michelangelo's David. I think they share similar facial structure and hair ... and both can be considered works of art ;D I couldn't agree more LLL is.... da mangiare
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Post by bdc on May 4, 2010 18:56:54 GMT -5
El 15 de mayo se define la continuidad de "Botineras"...Se mantiene la incertidumbre con el prime time de Telefe, y ahora se supone que el 15 de este mes, definirán la continuidad –o no- de “Botineras”, ya que los contratos vencen el 28 de junio y la ley obliga a avisar un mes antes. Sobre la ficción, diremos que ahora a Pablo Rago (Salgado), lo quieren de regreso cuando termine el telefilme que dirigirá Sebastián Pivotto y produce Juan José Campanella a través de su productora “100 bares”. El actor se va el 15 de junio y si todo sale bien, y sigue “Botineras” estaría volviendo a las tres semanas. Otro que se va es Mario Alarcón (a “Malparida”), en tanto incorporarían a Tina Serrano o Rita Cortese. Estaban decidiéndolo en estos momentos.
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Post by Difficult Diva on May 4, 2010 19:00:30 GMT -5
Ladies,
I saw that Vanity Fair cover and almost DIED. That Pato guy is gorgeous and he could be Ezequiel's older and taller twin.
I'm so excited for the World Cup this year. I love watching as many games as possible.
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Post by bdc on May 4, 2010 19:05:53 GMT -5
Ladies, I saw that Vanity Fair cover and almost DIED. That Pato guy is gorgeous and he could be Ezequiel's older and taller twin. I'm so excited for the World Cup this year. I love watching as many games as possible. Pato could be Ezequiel's younger brother, Pato was born on 1989 and Eze in 1981. Sorry but living in Italy ...I eat bread and football...
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Post by chrys on May 5, 2010 1:03:08 GMT -5
So, I'm watching the new episode (86) and I'd really appreciate if someone could help me out with the dialog between Chiqui and Marga about the Lily/Flaco/Lalo situation. There are some parts I can't understand, especially the one about Lalo after the disgust thing. It probably won't be included in the English subbed scenes, so can someone help me out? My Spanish only gets me so far
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Post by bdc on May 5, 2010 1:27:21 GMT -5
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Post by bdc on May 5, 2010 1:31:11 GMT -5
here are 2 videos from capitulo 86 thanks to natyges
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Post by bdc on May 5, 2010 3:29:44 GMT -5
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Post by maya on May 5, 2010 3:38:48 GMT -5
Why? What has he done now?? I'm at work and I won't be able to watch the episode until later today
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Post by bdc on May 5, 2010 4:09:37 GMT -5
Why? What has he done now?? I'm at work and I won't be able to watch the episode until later today Lili asks Manuel to meet her lawyer, she wants to go on with the divorce papers but El Flaco doesn't accept to sign them and it seems quite clear they're going to battle. Manuel is shattered and Nino offers to help him.... Later Nino, at Chiqui's home, meets Lili and Marga and in few words he tells to the Flaca that if she's going on with the divorce, he'll find someone ready to testify that Lili cheated on Manuel and in this case she's going to lose her children. In the preview for the next capitulo...Lalo did something I didn't like. He put something in a bottle and then changed this bottle with Anguila's while he was talking with Christian... Lalito what are you doing???
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Post by Flaco&Lalo on May 5, 2010 4:16:37 GMT -5
Nino is a real "hijo de puta" as Marga called him repeatedly in this latest episode (I agree with her for once..) Basically, he wants Lily to give up her idea of getting a divorce from Manuel, so he shows up at Marga's place and blackmail Lily, saying that he "knows" of a certain person who can witness her unfaithfulness to Manuel, he goes on threatening her that she could lose the custody of her children.. Not much of Lalo in this episode, but in the preview for tomorrow's ep we see him putting something (illegal substance?) in Aguila's drink; he really can't stay out of troubles apparently...
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Post by Flaco&Lalo on May 5, 2010 4:20:36 GMT -5
Sorry bdc, I didn't read your post before posting mine.. anyway the more information, the better
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Post by maya on May 5, 2010 4:46:13 GMT -5
thank you guys for the recap. I really don't like how they are writing Lalo right now
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Post by masonville on May 5, 2010 5:55:31 GMT -5
Good morning people Few thoughts before I go to work First of all, I speak two words of Spanish so I'm at a huge disadvantage until the subtitles are posted...but I'm persistent and you can always use my comments for comic relief. I'm not surprised Nino went the route of trying to accuse Lili of infidelity. I'm just surprised that she and Marga let him keep talking instead of kicking his ass out and consulting with her lawyer. There is more (photographic and first-hand accounts) proof of Flaco's infidelities than there is of her indiscretions...unless she's hiding a series of affairs as well and who can tell Regarding the pill in the bottle incident, I dont think that Lalo was just being considerate and giving Aguila an antacid or something for dyspepsia. Maybe he wants to frame him with steroid use? Doesnt FIFA randomly test teams and expel players?...I know I'm grasping at straws...but I'm disappointed What if he gave him Ecstasy(MDMA)(3,4-methylenedioxy-methamphetamine? It has a tendency to disinhibit people of both sexual orientations and since the team managers / players frequent nightclubs...it shouldnt be too hard to get his hands on it? It might be amusing to witness an amorous Aguila make a fool of himself by "acting out" in the men's locker room, however unless Lalo slipped him a multi-vitamin what Lalo did is WRONG / illegal Is this young man thinking with his upper head or his lower head? At the very minimum his actions represent a particularly malicious and humiliating form of payback for all the trash talk Aguila directs at Lalo BUT this is a soap-opera and chances are that Aguila will suffer a life-threatening drug reaction. Lalo already has involuntary manslaughter on his hands...he can only use the "it was an accident" excuse so many times...and his credibility is already in shambles This drama is killing me. We need to see more BOOTY (american slang for "fine piece of ass")... Botineras sounds pretty similar to BOOTY-neras... and the shoe fits, thanks to Flaco alone "dropping trou" (american slang for lowering one's pants down to one's ankles, often in a sudden, impulsive manner, thus exposing one's nether regions) Alright I'm stepping off my soap box for now (translation - I'll stop ranting/complaining) BUT Lalo, you have some explaining to do!!!
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Post by bdc on May 5, 2010 7:18:21 GMT -5
preview of next capitulo
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Post by bdc on May 5, 2010 10:18:21 GMT -5
Parte 29 (from capitulo 86)
Thanks to Gordiyo08 enjoy
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