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Post by stregatta on Mar 25, 2010 15:55:39 GMT -5
I like the way his character has a story that's not just about his being in a relationship. If only others understood how to use gay characters in this way. I agree with you...However I think that the more this kind of stories will be on mainstream-broadcast-tv, the more we'll see a development in this sense ...(Same as it had been for the hetero-couples back in the days; before you could show very little beyond the usual things, now a lot more could be explored...Morally fair or not, & that's what a good drama is based on... ) PS_THANKS A TON luckyduck x the news about LuRe on Monday (I don't spoil here...)...I'm already excited...Looking forward to see & especially to listen to the next funny banters from them!!LOL ;D
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Post by luckyduck152 on Mar 25, 2010 20:00:04 GMT -5
Eric Sheffer Stevens (Reid) has been added to the list of actors that will be at the ATWT Fan Luncheon on Saturday, April 17 in NYC ;D I wish I could go this year, but sadly I can not. So anyine that does go please take some good pictures of Eric, Van and Jake.
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Post by Zathras on Mar 25, 2010 21:20:04 GMT -5
Today's clip, courtesy LukeVanFan . Not sure whether this should be here or in Luke/Noah.
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Post by Bonobochick on Mar 25, 2010 21:40:51 GMT -5
Moving to this thread since it belongs here and not Luke/Noah discussion:
luckyduck152: I loved today's show. I noticed that Luke now has a bounce in his step. Even when he was telling Holden how he's had some tough days, he still seemed very chipper. I haven't seen Luke looking this happy and energetic in ages. ;D
I love the interactions between Reid and Bob. Bob never let's anything Reid says faze him and you can tell that Bob does care about Reid. Even if Reid said he was 600 years old and threw his papers in his breakfast...LOL That was a nice talk bob gave him at the hospital about finding someone and about friends, family and home. I think "Doogie Hughes" is going to get jealous.;D
Reid attempting to make small talk with Luke was hilarious and Luke wasn't buying it one bit. Luke had some great lines today too. "You obviously want something. So why don't you ask. I'll say no and then you can go back to being yourself." LOL He must be learning from Reid.
I loved it when Luke brought up what happened between them and Reid got all panicky and said that nothing happened between them. Referring to their "moment". Which, in turn, made Luke figure out that Reid was thinking about their moment and caused Luke to get all fidgety and flustered. ;D
And their last scene at the hospital was just too great. Luke was totally flirting. I can't blame Reid for getting all hot an bothered with Mr. Snyder. ;D
BTW, love that they still call each other Dr. Oliver and Mr. Snyder. ;D I wonder when we will hear them call each other by first name? After they first kiss?
It doesn't look like they will be on tomorrow, but I'm soooo looking forward to Monday. ;D
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Post by mycatfox on Mar 25, 2010 23:27:16 GMT -5
I couldn't agree more with you, bonobochick, this was a great ep., and I can't wait for Monday either. After watching the clip, it's obvious these two sooner or later will be an item: it's funny seeing Reid losing his composure/control every time is in front of Luke, and Luke being totally flirtatious Once again, I have to say their chemistry is amazing. And writers: I'm loving the banter! So please, more wise, sarcastic, sparkling, ironic, smart dialogues between these men! ;D
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Post by cheerios on Mar 26, 2010 2:50:24 GMT -5
I love the fact that Reid is thinking about the moment they shared and Luke mentions the father who attacked him. Reid may think he's some Mr. Big Shot whose above everything, but Luke is getting to him.
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Post by stregatta on Mar 26, 2010 7:04:44 GMT -5
PS_Is it too bad that I'm having TOO MUCH fun with this liason-non-liason between "The world's greatest Doctor" & Ritchie-Rich?!? LOL!! ;D I mean...Lots of the times, perhaps because writers feel to be freer in creating supporting-guest star characters, they become even more enjoyable that the main ones; those who actually we should be supposed to care the most, ehm-ehm...(Furthermore, I didn't like the reaction of Noah/ Jake to the heartbreaking last goodbye, they recently shared: in other words, Luke/ Van amazing as usual, with moist eyes & belieavable lines, I was almost reaching for the tissue in my pocket when...Noah literally freezed me!! Why Noah's character once again wasn't a "round character" with a normal reaction?! He seemed almost bored to have to say farewell to the love of his life...Come on! This thing about his role I didn't find romantic at all; 'cause if this "coldness" would have come from Reid's role, is understandable, from him as a jerk, honestly I couldn't figure it out... Perhaps this is the real reason why many fans felt frustrated: sometimes, watching him interacting with other characters, he felt more comfortable than with Luke...A pity indeed, I don't mean the chemestry with Luke or between the 2 actors, better perhaps it's a writers' choice; which precisely I don't know, but even if I care about Noah, often I was WTH too, a little lost?? Besides, I like a ton Bad-Boy kinda characters "to be redeemed"(I know I'm in good company here! Wink-wink... ), so...I'm already sad because I'm almost 90% sure of Nuke getting together at the end again, as it's supposed to be for the American Disney's cliché happy-end...It would be a real revolution if it won't be for real & LuRe ended up to be the endgame! An option could have also been that Nuke had had their long journey together, but that they're not meant-to-be in the end: not a tragedy, better, usually the most brilliant cinematic/ tv couples were born this way...The unexpected is thrilling, twisted & ultimately great fun; & well yes, we want to be entertained, don't we?! ) As if Noah, healthy again & all, came back to Luke basically telling "Sorry, now that I've really lost you for good, I've understood how much I care about you, etc..." & then Luke "I'm sorry too, but I've fallen for another guy, with whom I've managed to be at last happy for once...AH CIAO BELLO!!" (since he's called Luciano, you know, after all, LOL! ;D)...Ok, I'm dreaming here, but you can understand me!(However I recall now that even for an American series, Gossip Girl, the character of Chuck Bass was supposed to be the villain or so, instead he had been so loved by fans, that they turned him into a regular character, matched with an heroine of the show...So never say never! If hopefully ATWT would go on...Who really knows?? ) Anyways it's still a pity: since this is a fictional story, I'd liked to be surprised till the very end, (as I've been actually for some European productions),& as in real life or in adult-plots, have the option of a real development of things within a storyline, it could be "enriching": not that I need to watch just the bloom of a relationship, than I could even skip all the ups&downs, since I already know, that the golden-couple will be happily ever after...I'm still waiting 1 of this shows bold enough to "break the rules" for the greater good of the writing, so to speak. Ok, I know that there are many fans who stick around from the beginning no matter what or which plot, & since they've invested so much energy in a show, they epically resist, & I TRULY respect it...But I've not the same patience, if I dislike the plot/ actors, I can't stay till the end...Sorry for the outburst & lucky me this time I'm enjoying this! Ciao )
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Post by dalia on Mar 26, 2010 7:31:36 GMT -5
they introduce such an AMAZING character like Reid, who is a breath of fresh air. who's scenes with just about everyone he encounters are awesome, and the show is ending. WHY? !!!! the chemistry between Luke and Reid is incredible. their banter with each other - hot hot hot. after reading the spoiler for Monday, cannot wait! (but sad i can only enjoy this for a few more months)
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Post by Bonobochick on Mar 26, 2010 8:55:10 GMT -5
I couldn't agree more with you, bonobochick, this was a great ep., and I can't wait for Monday either. Those weren't my thoughts. I simply moved a comment that was originally in an incorrect thread.
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Post by shamelessfan on Mar 26, 2010 9:52:51 GMT -5
It is clear with Dr. Reid, with his integration into the other stories happening on the show, that the writers unlike with Noah, thought through what they wanted to do with the character. Part of the reason may be that they decided against the obligatory "coming out story" by having his relationship arise out of him being a doctor. This instantly changed the dynamics. It wasn't just there. It was a part of.
It is a shame that they did not think it through with Noah like this or else the show would have been far more fun to watch. It is like they thought they could introduce a gay character at the start without regard to telling a good story.
Now, it seems that they are finally getting it. I realized that's a big reason why I want LuRe to work rather than Nuke. It is because of the writing regarding Nuke almost felt a little one note gimmick "I know- let's bring in a gay character" rather than "let's bring in an interesting character." It is too bad the show will end in 6 months because it is clear they finally get it.
Whether one is a Nuke fan or a fan of LuRe that is something good to see.
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Post by maya on Mar 26, 2010 12:20:24 GMT -5
the chemistry between Luke and Reid is incredible. their banter with each other - hot hot hot. I agree, I'm really enjoying Ruke storyline. I'm surpriesed about it myself because it's been months (almost a year) since I last watched ATWT
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Post by stregatta on Mar 26, 2010 18:31:04 GMT -5
It is clear with Dr. Reid, with his integration into the other stories happening on the show, that the writers unlike with Noah, thought through what they wanted to do with the character. Part of the reason may be that they decided against the obligatory "coming out story" by having his relationship arise out of him being a doctor. This instantly changed the dynamics. It wasn't just there. It was a part of. It is a shame that they did not think it through with Noah like this or else the show would have been far more fun to watch. It is like they thought they could introduce a gay character at the start without regard to telling a good story. Now, it seems that they are finally getting it. I realized that's a big reason why I want LuRe to work rather than Nuke. It is because of the writing regarding Nuke almost felt a little one note gimmick "I know- let's bring in a gay character" rather than "let's bring in an interesting character." It is too bad the show will end in 6 months because it is clear they finally get it. Whether one is a Nuke fan or a fan of LuRe that is something good to see. Yep, you've hit the nail on the head indeed...Something in Noah's character didn't work as well as Luke's 1, & the balance between the 2 hasn't always been perfect... Besides, I don't know why it should be so difficult to write a good character with a strong personality, & also gay: I really don't get where's the problem...It's like a person, or a song, if it's good, who cares about the rest at all?! Just make it a good 1!!
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Post by Zathras on Mar 26, 2010 20:14:21 GMT -5
I love the fact that Reid is thinking about the moment they shared and Luke mentions the father who attacked him. Reid may think he's some Mr. Big Shot whose above everything, but Luke is getting to him. I know! ;D That was awesome how Reid totally betrayed what was on his mind without realizing it. It is clear with Dr. Reid, with his integration into the other stories happening on the show, that the writers unlike with Noah, thought through what they wanted to do with the character. Part of the reason may be that they decided against the obligatory "coming out story" by having his relationship arise out of him being a doctor. This instantly changed the dynamics. It wasn't just there. It was a part of. It is a shame that they did not think it through with Noah like this or else the show would have been far more fun to watch. It is like they thought they could introduce a gay character at the start without regard to telling a good story. Now, it seems that they are finally getting it. I realized that's a big reason why I want LuRe to work rather than Nuke. It is because of the writing regarding Nuke almost felt a little one note gimmick "I know- let's bring in a gay character" rather than "let's bring in an interesting character." It is too bad the show will end in 6 months because it is clear they finally get it. I can't guess what the writers & producers were thinking 3 years ago, and what their motivations were. I don't even know if the same writers & producers are still around. But I have been thinking about that a bit, too. The part that I wonder about is: if they really figured out the storytelling aspect as you suggest, they could have changed how they approached Noah, given him more depth as a character, and integrated him better into the rest of the show. Instead, they introduced a brand new character and actor. There has to be a reason for that decision. As much as I hate to say it, I wonder how much of it comes down to Jake Silbermann .
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Post by shamelessfan on Mar 26, 2010 21:11:58 GMT -5
At some point, the character becomes saddled with its own history. Noah was probably their testing ground for ideas because they didn't k now how to do such a story. So, like any experimentation a lot of mistakes are made. By the time they figured it out, we had already developed our view of who he is. They are constrained by that. Sure, they could try to develop him, but it has to be within the character they already created.
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Post by zengeos on Mar 26, 2010 21:47:30 GMT -5
I know! ;D That was awesome how Reid totally betrayed what was on his mind without realizing it. I can't guess what the writers & producers were thinking 3 years ago, and what their motivations were. I don't even know if the same writers & producers are still around. But I have been thinking about that a bit, too. The part that I wonder about is: if they really figured out the storytelling aspect as you suggest, they could have changed how they approached Noah, given him more depth as a character, and integrated him better into the rest of the show. Instead, they introduced a brand new character and actor. There has to be a reason for that decision. As much as I hate to say it, I wonder how much of it comes down to Jake Silbermann . I have been kinda wondering the same thing. Perhaps, with the end of the show approaching, he is looking to where to go after the show runs it's course. I suspect there is some concern over being type cast as the *gay* character.
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Post by mycatfox on Mar 26, 2010 22:20:45 GMT -5
I couldn't agree more with you, bonobochick, this was a great ep., and I can't wait for Monday either. Those weren't my thoughts. I simply moved a comment that was originally in an incorrect thread. I already threw away the old pair of lenses and bought the new ones! Thanks bonobochick So luckyduck152, I totally agree with you
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Post by shamelessfan on Mar 26, 2010 22:30:23 GMT -5
I know! ;D That was awesome how Reid totally betrayed what was on his mind without realizing it. I can't guess what the writers & producers were thinking 3 years ago, and what their motivations were. I don't even know if the same writers & producers are still around. But I have been thinking about that a bit, too. The part that I wonder about is: if they really figured out the storytelling aspect as you suggest, they could have changed how they approached Noah, given him more depth as a character, and integrated him better into the rest of the show. Instead, they introduced a brand new character and actor. There has to be a reason for that decision. As much as I hate to say it, I wonder how much of it comes down to Jake Silbermann . I have been kinda wondering the same thing. Perhaps, with the end of the show approaching, he is looking to where to go after the show runs it's course. I suspect there is some concern over being type cast as the *gay* character. If that is the case, he could have just left the show. It hardly helps his career to play a character who is not all that interesting for so long. You want your name out there.
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Post by stregatta on Mar 26, 2010 23:13:30 GMT -5
I see your point guys...& if instead the move of taking aboard almost at final rush Eric/ Dr could be a last attempt in making the show shines again with a new spin, trying to win its "afterlife" in another tv-channel??
Since the same actor said that his character had more to do with prime-time tv than soaps, probably the try was making him a new outstanding 1 for gaining some more (being gay it's a plus here, since others like him as characters in US-tv are hard to find...Interesting plot+role)
If this is the trend...Long live ATWT! (even if it's on Soapcentral or similar... ;-P)
PS_I've noticed that line too at the café...But also the other previous ep., when Luke couldn't leave Reid apart, & continued in swallowing for being nervous, was simply FANTASTIC!! LOL ;-D)
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Post by Zathras on Mar 27, 2010 1:38:06 GMT -5
shamelessfan I see your point, insofar as they're constrained by the personality of the character they've created. That wouldn't have to stop them from involving Noah with other stories or characters in an interesting way. (For what it's worth, Luke hasn't been involved with many other stories, either.) In fact, they've missed opportunities to make Noah more interesting (e.g. the early allusions to his past before he came to Oakdale). But you're quite right, if Jake wasn't interested in playing the character Noah any more, or wasn't satisfied with the acting challenges or character development, he could have left long ago. But he didn't.
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Post by luckyduck152 on Mar 27, 2010 14:34:07 GMT -5
IMO TPTB have been waiting for Jake to leave. They just didn't want the bad publicity it would bring if they fired him. I think they have dug themselves into a hole with Noah's character. They only intended him to be a three month character, so they didn't consider the future for his character.
This may get some people upset, but while Jake has improved vastly since he first started on ATWT, he simply doesn't have the acting range that Van (or Eric) does and I think that may have negatively influenced the writing for Nuke.
Maybe the addition of Reid who is played by a very strong actor is a way of ATWT digging themselves out of this Nuke hole before the show goes off the air? If they were to write Noah out at some point, it wouldn't be met with such harsh criticism now that they have another strong gay character. Anyway, it may not be the case, but it could be a possibility.
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Post by jjose712 on Mar 27, 2010 15:03:38 GMT -5
I agree in some parts, and disagree strongly in some others.
I agree that the TPTB wanted Noah out of the show for long time (without the bad publicity of firing Jake). In fact they treat him really bad, he is a very popular actor and they only used him as publicity, as representative of the show on award ceremonys (well, to be true even Van who is on contract and nominated every year to the emmys is not treated better than Jake).
But Jake's skills as actor has nothing to do with what happen to their storylines. Jake is always supportive of the show and he promote Nuke storylines a lot (and he is responsible for the popularity of the couple, if Van and Jake weren't the way they are, i don't think Nuke would be as popular as they are). The writers make a lot of mistakes with Nuke storylines through the years, during the kissing ban, it would be easy to avoid the evidence, introducing the guys in other character's storylines, instead of that, they lived in a bubble wich makes more evident the lack of physical affection.
I know there are a lot of people don't like Jake's acting (i recognize that i always prefer Van) but i find unfair that he is blamed for all that went wrong in Nuke storylines. Come on, Nelson Branco even blame him for the cuts during the sex scene. It's really difficult to shine with such bad material, specially on a soap, where the time is always running out. I'm sure with a good writing, they can make miracles with Noah as character
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Post by luckyduck152 on Mar 27, 2010 15:41:39 GMT -5
Well, there is a new writer until he end of the show and he seems to be doing much better at this point, so we'll have to see if that will carry over to Noah's character.
I'm just having a hard time believing they can so drastically change the way Noah's character is written, that the damage of the past couple of years can be undone. He's never been an interesting character IMO, Though at least when he was with Maddie he had more of a personality and had some promise.
It will take some very good writing and very good acting to make me cheer for Noah at this point. It will also seem weird to have a character suddenly become interesting and engaging after he has been a very dull prop for so long. We'll have to wait and see, but I'm going to be very disappointed if we are expected to cheer for the same old Noah after all is said and done.
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Post by maya on Mar 27, 2010 15:43:47 GMT -5
IMO TPTB have been waiting for Jake to leave. They just didn't want the bad publicity it would bring if they fired him. I think they have dug themselves into a hole with Noah's character. They only intended him to be a three month character, so they didn't consider the future for his character. This may get some people upset, but while Jake has improved vastly since he first started on ATWT, he simply doesn't have the acting range that Van (or Eric) does and I think that may have negatively influenced the writing for Nuke. Maybe the addition of Reid who is played by a very strong actor is a way of ATWT digging themselves out of this Nuke hole before the show goes off the air? If they were to write Noah out at some point, it wouldn't be met with such harsh criticism now that they have another strong gay character. Anyway, it may not be the case, but it could be a possibility. I agree, I like Jake but as an actor i find him extremely weak and I believe that in some occasions (NOT always) this weakness has been one of the reason of the failure of the nuke plots
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Post by luckyduck152 on Mar 27, 2010 17:53:38 GMT -5
Luke and Reid are in the promo for this week
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Post by canadiangirl on Mar 28, 2010 11:18:40 GMT -5
Hi everyone, new here.
I really want Luke and Reid to become a couple their chemistry is awesome and both Van and Eric are great actors, I totally wish they would be the end couple when the show is over but I won't get my hopes up.
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