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Post by Bonobochick on Mar 17, 2010 17:52:35 GMT -5
For the shippers and fans of a Luke/Reid pairing to post.
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Post by ladysalieri on Mar 17, 2010 18:26:37 GMT -5
OH YAY! (hugs the shiny new thread)
Wow, I spent all afternoon just *dying* to get home from work so that I could watch today's ep of As The World Turns. How did that happen? :>
I was glad that I read some other impressions of The Scene first, because otherwise I would have spent the whole time hoping for something more -- and this way I just appreciated what we got.
I actually had to pause the playback so I could laugh at Luke's "not to sound like you, but Noah's the blind guy, not me." ;D That just confirmed to me how exciting they'd be as a couple, trading barbs with each other, in an "I know you so well" kind of way. Loved, loved, LOVED that.
Also loved the perpetual push-pull of Dr. Oliver's attitude to Luke. He so obviously doesn't know how to deal with Luke -- one minute he's sharing personal space and acting almost friendly, then he's distant and nasty, then he's running away. If I were Luke, I'd want to keep on grabbing him like that, just to see if I could keep the guy in one place!
Funny, though, I didn't see The Scene as Luke catching wind of the Dr's attraction for him; I saw it as Luke getting the first hint of his own attraction. (And who could blame him? Holy BEANS, is AngryAssertive!Doc a sight to behold!)
So nothing till next week now? (pouts)
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Post by luckyduck152 on Mar 17, 2010 19:06:47 GMT -5
I love Luke and Reid, they have such fiery chemistry. I was hoping for a kiss today , but i realize that a slower build up will be much more exciting. ;D I think today was Luke's day to see Reid with new eyes. In their last scene, neither of them really wanted to let go of the other. I think subconsciously they both know they are attracted to each other, but neither of them has fully processed it. Reid, I think is still in full deflection/denial mode and Luke has had so much of his time and energy consumed by his problems with Noah and his family, that all of these developments with Reid have just been sneaking up on him. Can't wait until next week to see where this is going.
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Post by shamelessfan on Mar 17, 2010 19:15:03 GMT -5
I don't think there is an awareness on either of their part of the attraction. It really does feel like a "Moonlighting" or "Cheers" situation where two strong opposites are attracting each other and seeking each other out, but they hardly even realize it. They are on auto-pilot just being pulled to each other.
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Post by luckyduck152 on Mar 17, 2010 19:31:51 GMT -5
That's a good comparison shamelessfan. They are drawn together like magnets and right now and subconsciously they are both annoyed by this attraction...LOL ;D Though, consciously, neither of them would admit to the attraction.
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Post by shamelessfan on Mar 17, 2010 20:14:55 GMT -5
It is odd to read other people's comments. They just see the relationship developing in a very different way. One person saying they felt all they saw was hate between the two. This is odd to me because all the long term relationships that I have seen amongst my friends are based on this sort of "I know your crap" dynamic. I think it is the most romantic thing in world to say to someone "I know all your crap, and I hopelessly love you." That's what I hope to see between the Luke and Reid characters. That would be really original for day time television.
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Post by luckyduck152 on Mar 17, 2010 21:01:21 GMT -5
Yeah I think you are right. Inexplicably loving someone, in spite of their problems is far more romantic than the type of conditional love that Noah gave to Luke. Luke had to be the perfect boyfriend, otherwise Noah would punish him. I'd often get the feeling that if Noah could go back in time, he'd never have got himself involved with Luke. He seems regretful for this relationship. That's not my idea or romance or love.
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Post by natalie on Mar 17, 2010 21:18:07 GMT -5
oh how much do i love reid/luke storyline ;D a hell of a lot reid is just a fantastic character the whole this is who i am now get the hell out of my way attitude and he funninest one liners his scenes with luke to day just wow... so hot i have watched them a few time ok mybe more then a few really looking forward to next week now
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Post by Zathras on Mar 17, 2010 21:45:01 GMT -5
Here's what I posted in the Nuke thread regarding Luke & Reid's interaction at the end of today's clip: I think it was ATWT's awkward way of trying to show sexual tension between them. Not necessarily in the way luckyduck means (that they've been attracted to each other all this time). But the way Luke and Reid acted when Luke was trying to physically push him out of the house fits with ATWT's style.The camerawork and exaggerated facial expressions suggest (to me) they're both just now starting to consider being attracted to each other. I'd often get the feeling that if Noah could go back in time, he'd never have got himself involved with Luke. He seems regretful for this relationship. I have no idea how you come to that conclusion. Noah was sometimes exasperated with the things Luke did, but he never gave me the impression that he ever regretted being with Luke.
Luke and Reid certainly play well off of each other. Not sure how far it'll go, but it'll be interesting to watch .
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Post by shamelessfan on Mar 17, 2010 21:56:28 GMT -5
Whatever you think of Luke and Noah, the fact was that as a couple they were not being shown to be a happy couple.
There was a pushing away constantly by Noah and desperation by Luke to make it work no matter what. So, I can certainly see how someone would view Noah as never wanting to be in the relationship.
Whether it was Noah's coming out, Noah going into the military, Noah's situation with his father, you name it, Luke was always desperately trying to be with Noah. If the spoilers are correct, the interesting thing is that whatever may or may not develop between Luke and Reid will go down very differently.
I thought the purpose of creating this thread was to discuss Reid and Luke because others seemed not to want to allow us to discuss the story line in the Luke and Noah thread without making it seem like someone was attacking them personally. Now, with a new thread, we are still subjected to this view that somehow pointing out that Noah and Luke, fictional characters, were unhappy is something that someone must prove to you. We are just here to discuss our enjoyment of the story line. If you don't enjoy it, that's fine.
But, you should respect other people along this thread by stopping the attacks on their difference of opinion. We are discussing a tv show here.
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Post by stregatta on Mar 17, 2010 21:57:29 GMT -5
It is odd to read other people's comments. They just see the relationship developing in a very different way. One person saying they felt all they saw was hate between the two. This is odd to me because all the long term relationships that I have seen amongst my friends are based on this sort of "I know your crap" dynamic. I think it is the most romantic thing in world to say to someone "I know all your crap, and I hopelessly love you." That's what I hope to see between the Luke and Reid characters. That would be really original for day time television. I KNOW YOUR CRAP!! ;D Just...LOL! Do you imagine a possible new soap with that title? Sux funny!! Anyways I've understood the meaning...Of course the audience felt in a different way the plot, it's the beauty of an "adult" storyline I guess, in strictly fairy-tale-style it's all so boring crystal clear, "black & white" At this point it's almost sure that there'll be a liaison between Dr & Luke, that would be a breath of fresh air too...Before coming on track again!
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Post by shamelessfan on Mar 17, 2010 22:07:17 GMT -5
Yeah, I think part of the thing about America soaps is that they need to pick up a thing or two from soaps like with Roman and Deniz or Craig and John Paul. Luke and Reid could certainly if the writers work on it reach that kind of tension in a relationship.
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Post by stregatta on Mar 17, 2010 22:35:15 GMT -5
Yeah I think you are right. Inexplicably loving someone, in spite of their problems is far more romantic than the type of conditional love that Noah gave to Luke. Luke had to be the perfect boyfriend, otherwise Noah would punish him. I'd often get the feeling that if Noah could go back in time, he'd never have got himself involved with Luke. He seems regretful for this relationship. That's not my idea or romance or love. I agree with what you're saying too, but overall, if Luke & Reid would be forever a couple, I don't know, they're too similar so to speak (L. as a good cool guy, R. as the nasty but good inside): instead Noah is a complete opposite, so there's a balance in reactions & living...At least a POTENTIAL!! You know what I mean, I guess if after the hot scenes, Luke & Dr were always together, it wouldn't be the same...Ok, just my opinion
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Post by shamelessfan on Mar 17, 2010 22:51:10 GMT -5
Well it is true that Luke and Noah are in some ways more opposite than Luke and Reid. Luke and Reid know what they want even if they are very different about what they want. Noah seems much less sure of himself given the push and pull of his relationship with Luke. I am not sure if that uncertainty is a basis for a life long relationship.
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Post by stregatta on Mar 17, 2010 23:02:41 GMT -5
Hey S. of course, in real life you've all the reasons...But in soaps they always tried to put the pairing Romeo+Juliet style to write their storyline "with cliché-potential": so characters as Reid are written for "hot sex commitment", for making the good (ex) partner finally aware of what he's lost, etc...Obviously, if this were an Almodòvar film, all would be different, but here I guess we're going to se something nice & entertaining, but not beyond that: even in this last break-up Nuke scene, Luke was still in love with Noah, so I don't see I mean "the potential sux-love story", but a sexy attraction, an attempt to move over the "selfish" problematic ex-lover...
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Post by shamelessfan on Mar 17, 2010 23:18:03 GMT -5
Well, but the soap is ending in 6 months and the actor who plays Noah is not under contract so I am not sure if the norm applies.
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Post by mycatfox on Mar 18, 2010 0:04:41 GMT -5
Today's was a powerful episode; IMO it really was a very satisfying ATWT installment, the first one in a very long time I still feel like a sinner because I like the pairing of these two, but I have to be honest: I stopped liking Nuke a time ago. I started to get fed up of the constant pushing away (Noah) and pushing back (Luke), and the complete immaturity of these two that ruined any possibility of growing as a couple. IMHO, they never built a foundation for a loving and lasting relationship. I don't know whether Luke and Reid have necessarily what it takes to make a terrific couple ( I don't think is too relevant), but their chemistry is amazing, and the sexual tension is astonishing I will keep watching, for sure (btw, I love the idea of this separated thread)
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Post by cheerios on Mar 18, 2010 2:20:33 GMT -5
They definitely have chemistry and they fight like lovers as the saying goes.
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Post by luckyduck152 on Mar 18, 2010 13:02:01 GMT -5
There really hasn't been this much interest in Luke/ATWT in a very long time. So this is fantastic that this story with Reid is generating so much interest. A lot of people who had given up on ATWT are watching again. Another thing that's helping is what OLTL has pulled with Kish. I was never an OLTL fan or big on Kish, but what OLTL have pulled with ending their story and blaming the actors and the gay story for the ratings problem, has really had some people giving ATWT as second look and thinking that while ATWT has screwed up in the past, they never tried to blame bad ratings on Nuke or suddenly toss them under the bus. For that, ATWT does deserve credit even if they weren't/aren't perfect. Regardless of who Luke ends up with, I'm positive that his character will be around to the end and I'm thankful to ATWT for that.
P.S. I don't mind the separate thread if it keeps people from jumping down each other's throats, but at the same time, I think it's a bit ridiculous that there needs to be a separate thread. After all this is the SAME story line. And I think it will be even more ridiculous if TGoDT continues to post videos of the storyline on the front page that have Reid's scenes with others left out. Especially since there are other sources who don't purposely leave Reid's other scenes out. How are people supposed to understand what's going on if they don't see the full story? That would be like leaving Noah's scene with Ali out. It just makes the story confusing for those who follow on YT. As it is LVF followers on YT have already missed a lot of Reid's scenes, now that he's obviously heavily involved with Luke and Noah, there really is no excuse to leave his part of the story out.
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Post by francescavl on Mar 18, 2010 16:44:10 GMT -5
Hello!
I am liking this new storyline.. I see a lot of potential for Luke and Reid as a couple. I love romances between initial "enemies" and I am also a sucker for love/hate relationships. And frankly, I am sick of Nuke. They managed to kill any love I had for this couple... so for now I'm rooting for Luke/Reid, even though I doubt that it's for the long haul!!!
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Post by stregatta on Mar 18, 2010 17:27:04 GMT -5
Well, but the soap is ending in 6 months and the actor who plays Noah is not under contract so I am not sure if the norm applies. Hi! Oh gosh, I didn't know about this of course... :oSo, it's obvious it's going to deeply effect what it will be in ATWT! Anyways, it's still seemed strange to me, to build up a love affair for years (on-off, I know, but being a soap...) to exactly what?! Furthermore, it's an American 1 & not cable tv-channel, & it's an important gay-couple, so it's not like every others ones on-screen, I guess they know they've a sort of "moral duty" to write the story with respect & to handle it with kid gloves... For the above reasons, I believe they'll be united again in the end, & I don't want to get too attached to Reid+Luke, to be finally disappointed ...(even if the pairing is really tempting...LOL for mycatfox, don't you feel guilty! Soap-world is fantasy & romance, if you can't dream even here, it's too bad, so go ahead!! . Clearly I can be wrong, if it will be a surprising end, kudos for the "coup de téàtre", but...Ok, I suppose we'll wait & see. All in all, if it's 1 way or another, it doesn't really matter: the good thing is that this plot is becoming entertaining again, as @francesca said, that's so nice for every viewer, isn't it?! ^_^ PS_ Today I've listened to a song called "Play with fire", well it was perfect for this triangle! ... Ciao!
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Post by luckyduck152 on Mar 18, 2010 17:47:02 GMT -5
Well the character of Noah was never intended to sty this long. Jake was originally told the part would be three months. Jake has never been on contract. I got the feeling that they just kept him around so they would get bad publicity by dumping the gay story that they had previously pimped so much in the media. Then the writing just completely fell short and the kiss ban and the delayed intimacy just made it even worse.
So IMO Noah was not supposed to be Luke's longterm boyfriend/lover, Luke just got stuck with him and the story didn't really reinforce that they are meant to be together. In that sense, I think Reid could be that lover that should have been. The one that was actually brought on to be Luke's lover.
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Post by jjose712 on Mar 18, 2010 17:54:31 GMT -5
I have the same feeling, Noah was supposed to be only Luke's first boyfriend, but i don't think bad publicity has anything to do with Jake staying in the show. It was the big chemistry and the big success of the couple what makes him stay (imo)
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Post by Bonobochick on Mar 18, 2010 18:38:02 GMT -5
If there is a problem with what the mods do, then folks can PM a mod. I don't care for passive-aggressive sniping about what we mods do, especially when the mods are simply posting the videos for ATWT that we always have, which is LukeVanFan's video. If folks have an issue with the videos for ATWT not being how one thinks they should be, that needs to be taken up with the people who spend their own spare time cutting & putting those videos together that their efforts are lacking or insufficient. Or if folks don't like what is out there, perhaps they should make their own videos to share to rectify things.
Actually, it's not, particularly as it's been pointed out how Noah is now an "ex-boyfriend" and, to paraphrase, "good riddance to a bad boyfriend" and "Luke is free to be with someone who will put him first".
Just like with Hollyoaks, there were two separate threads for John Paul's two love interests, partly to stop the flame wars & repetitive taunting by some who couldn't stop posting how awesome their pairing was compared to the other pairing so that fans could post peacefully regarding their preferred pairing but also because they were two separate, completely different stories that happened to feature a same character in both.
Either ATWT is doing a triangle even though it appears Noah is out of the picture or they're doing a love story with Luke/Reid. It's not all things to everyone.
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Post by HQ75 on Mar 18, 2010 19:32:29 GMT -5
There really hasn't been this much interest in Luke/ATWT in a very long time. So this is fantastic that this story with Reid is generating so much interest. A lot of people who had given up on ATWT are watching again. Another thing that's helping is what OLTL has pulled with Kish. I was never an OLTL fan or big on Kish, but what OLTL have pulled with ending their story and blaming the actors and the gay story for the ratings problem, has really had some people giving ATWT as second look and thinking that while ATWT has screwed up in the past, they never tried to blame bad ratings on Nuke or suddenly toss them under the bus. For that, ATWT does deserve credit even if they weren't/aren't perfect. Regardless of who Luke ends up with, I'm positive that his character will be around to the end and I'm thankful to ATWT for that. P.S. I don't mind the separate thread if it keeps people from jumping down each other's throats, but at the same time, I think it's a bit ridiculous that there needs to be a separate thread. After all this is the SAME story line. And I think it will be even more ridiculous if TGoDT continues to post videos of the storyline on the front page that have Reid's scenes with others left out. Especially since there are other sources who don't purposely leave Reid's other scenes out. How are people supposed to understand what's going on if they don't see the full story? That would be like leaving Noah's scene with Ali out. It just makes the story confusing for those who follow on YT. As it is LVF followers on YT have already missed a lot of Reid's scenes, now that he's obviously heavily involved with Luke and Noah, there really is no excuse to leave his part of the story out. People have free will and can do what they want. Everyone who has been following the Luke and Noah storyline KNOWS about both channels and if they don't you simple go over to the channel you hate and tell them about the channel you think they should be watching in a POLITE and RESPECTFUL way so as not to insult the efforts of the channel owner. Or better yet, make your own channel as someone suggested and hope like-minded folks follow you. Make the road by walking, it's much more proactive. Viewers and fans can and do self-select whichever channel they want to watch. In fact, there are 3 channels that follow Luke and Noah and I see the same people posting on each so it's not up to Gaytime or Bonobochick to coddle people. Loads of folks watch all three. You can't force folks to want to know more about Reid or to like Reid if they aren't inclined to do so. Luke and Noah have been a couple for a very long time and whatever was supposed to happen before Noah came is irrelevant now because the history is what it is. Many fans are invested in NUKE and no matter how wonderful Reid may or may not be, many of those fans are not going to change their minds and they have every right to have a space to say so here and on Youtube. The Luke and Noah thread is about Luke and Noah The Luke and Reid thread is about Luke and Reid The Other Stories thread is about other stories It's not rocket science and you can't just bend to your will or browbeat them into watching what you want them to or thinking the way you do. I like Reid as a character, I like Luke and I like Noah. There are PLENTY of people who feel that way (whatever they feel about who should be with whom) Why not just enjoy the fact that the couple YOU prefer now has a thread where everyone who wants to talk about it can come hang out and do so? Stop picking on the mods. If it wasn't for them, we would be here because HERE wouldn't exist.
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