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Post by lolaruns on Jun 5, 2008 14:08:30 GMT -5
Okay, I just read the liveblog on AE and... wtf Noa? Ameera is wanted by some Iraqi group? Since when? Okay I admit I don't really follow the storyline too faithfully, but is that new? Her Noah's dad wants to hand her over to them? Why? What would he gain from that? I thought he liked and supported her family.
And now Noah is all over Ameera AND his dad, yet mad at Luke? I realize that he was taking Ameera's side, but since when does he like her this much? To offer his life to protect Ameera? The hell?
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Post by Bonobochick on Jun 5, 2008 14:08:58 GMT -5
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jun 5, 2008 15:28:02 GMT -5
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Post by Bonobochick on Jun 5, 2008 16:39:48 GMT -5
This episode is waiting for me on my DVR at home but I am not looking forward to it. I think I will hit the gym first then have some wine while I watch... anything to take the edge of the pain this will cause me. Would it have kiled TIIC to try to make this storyline remotely plausible and sensible. It's so ludicrous that it is in another realm of deeply fucked up. I need to check out the ranting on TWoP now.
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Post by amber80 on Jun 5, 2008 18:33:02 GMT -5
This story is AWFUL! It absolutely makes NO sense; even in soap terms... WHY WHY O WHY???
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Post by Bonobochick on Jun 6, 2008 0:32:36 GMT -5
June 5th, 2008 episode: Awful. Almost worse than Tuesday, which was overall shitty, due to Noah's complete 180 at the end of this clip. I wanted Luke to punch Noah in the face. Twice. If this dross is the best the writers can do to add angst to the Noah/Luke storyline, then fuck them. This whole "Back In Iraq..." storyline has been little better than pissing in the fans eyes and telling them to like it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2008 18:21:32 GMT -5
I feel ya! I understand this is a soap and there is conflict and resolution, and usually romance in between. i enjoy that but the writing and character development in this storyline makes no sense, as we know it has been weak in the romance department...things just are in this story never explained. like, why is noah so attached to ameera? that was never developed...we have seen how much noah expresses his love to luke then why would he rather save ameera and jump on the boat, than go to see if luke is ok, again makes no sense....it's still our only daytime gay couple so i'm going to ride it through and see where this ends up. i just hope the ends justify the means
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Post by psionycx on Jun 6, 2008 23:58:58 GMT -5
You see, it would have almost been better if they'd made Ameera Noah's sister. Because as it stands it's very unclear as to why he should be so utterly determined to do whatever it takes to help her, even at risk to his relationship (such as it is) and his life.
The problem with ATWT writers is that they're so busy focusing on storyline that none of their characters has any motivation. They frequently do completely inexplicable things for the express purpose of carrying the storyline forward. But in the end that just makes the story worse because it becomes very difficult for the audience to relate to the characters.
Noah's behavior is so irrational that I find myself wondering if maybe it's just supposed to be some kind of genetic disorder that he inherited from his father. Luke, despite having an impressively rough child-of-a-soap-opera-supercouple upbringing seems bizarrely clueless, naive and ineffectual.
I admit that I haven't been watching this religiously, but have they yet explained how Ameera, supposedly a poor outcast girl from Iraq, made it to America and located Noah (whom she'd supposedly never seen before) in Oakdale? They certainly haven't explained why Noah is so bound and determined to protect her and, more to the point, believes everything she says and even makes up excuses on her behalf when she doesn't have any!
Luke's willingness to play along with all of this bespeaks a martyr complex of epic proportions. Plus the way everyone else around them failed to question Ameera's situation just raises more eyebrows, again because you'd think they'd know better being who they are.
It's now at the point where even watching the YouTube clips is almost unendurable torture!
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Post by lolaruns on Jun 9, 2008 23:33:10 GMT -5
Agreed. Even if it would have made the whole Nomeera marriage even more icky at least it would make it understandable that he would be this attached to her, if he sees her as the last of his family.
Of course the downside would be that it would make it harder to writer her off.
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Post by Bonobochick on Jun 10, 2008 15:29:11 GMT -5
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Post by neand48 on Jun 10, 2008 17:52:21 GMT -5
Agreed. Even if it would have made the whole Nomeera marriage even more icky at least it would make it understandable that he would be this attached to her, if he sees her as the last of his family. Of course the downside would be that it would make it harder to writer her off. I know my brain works in mysterious ways, but I think Noah sees Ameera as his only link to the father he wishes he had had. It is that father he believes he has failed. No amount of reasoning can get through to him at this moment. How on earth did I come up with that? when all I want to do is kick the kid's butt so hard he'd land somewhere in Irak (and don't they dare kick him back across). As I was watching today's ep, something struck me: the acting. Not once did I get to feel anything for any of the characters. Lily, Holden, Daahling Gran, Luke, Noah. They were all like puppets delivering lines. Well, this puppet has decided to cut himself free. Hasta la vista! ATWT.
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Post by Bonobochick on Jun 10, 2008 18:03:31 GMT -5
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Post by fortheloveofgays on Jun 10, 2008 18:23:11 GMT -5
Agreed. Even if it would have made the whole Nomeera marriage even more icky at least it would make it understandable that he would be this attached to her, if he sees her as the last of his family. Of course the downside would be that it would make it harder to writer her off. I know my brain works in mysterious ways, but I think Noah sees Ameera as his only link to the father he wishes he had had. It is that father he believes he has failed. No amount of reasoning can get through to him at this moment. How on earth did I come up with that? when all I want to do is kick the kid's butt so hard he'd land somewhere in Irak (and don't they dare kick him back across). As I was watching today's ep, something struck me: the acting. Not once did I get to feel anything for any of the characters. Lily, Holden, Daahling Gran, Luke, Noah. They were all like puppets delivering lines. Well, this puppet has decided to cut himself free. Hasta la vista! ATWT. I'm with you me and my sister have been watching this show and we're already convinced that the acting and screen chemistry of Van and Jake is not all that satisfying, but today I mean if you have a hard time being together well fine... But at least make the break-up believable. If I were Jake and Van I would commit air time suicide right now
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2008 18:26:02 GMT -5
I gave in and finally decided to check it out. And well, I know about 99.9% people hated it (and hate Noah apparently), but [small voice] I liked it [/small voice]. Seriously, I expected to full on hate it enough not to watch given some feedback, but not so much, to my surprise. This is the most intense and most sense the characters' inner feelings about each other, their relationship, and their own selves have made. Of course, it all came about due to asinine plot contrivances, but I actually don't mind where it's at now. I wasn't expecting to, but I kind of see where both characters are coming from. Noah's breakdown has been long due, and there was really no need for making him make so many stupid choices to get there. Noah is in no shape to be in any relationship, and Luke needs to realize that he can't always "fix" things (or people) all by himself and that's ok. More likely than not though, only one perspective will be shown from this point on, i.e., Martyr Saint Luke, but well, I really don't mind this breakup at all. They should stay broken up for a while, and I wouldn't even mind Luke getting with someone else as a result - I know, impossible for this show to have THREE gay characters. They can't even do right by the two they currently have. But at any rate, I liked it. There was even some "acting" there. Melodramatic, sure, but not-too-bad soap melodrama, as long as it remains focused on the characters themselves as they are, no matter how screwed up, and not on ridiculous cockblock- uhm, I mean, plot devices.
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Post by fortheloveofgays on Jun 10, 2008 18:44:47 GMT -5
I gave in and finally decided to check it out. And well, I know about 99.9% people hated it (and hate Noah apparently), but [small voice] I liked it [/small voice]. Seriously, I expected to full on hate it enough not to watch given some feedback, but not so much, to my surprise. This is the most intense and most sense the characters' inner feelings about each other, their relationship, and their own selves have made. Of course, it all came about due to asinine plot contrivances, but I actually don't mind where it's at now. I wasn't expecting to, but I kind of see where both characters are coming from. Noah's breakdown has been long due, and there was really no need for making him make so many stupid choices to get there. Noah is in no shape to be in any relationship, and Luke needs to realize that he can't always "fix" things (or people) all by himself and that's ok. More likely than not though, only one perspective will be shown from this point on, i.e., Martyr Saint Luke, but well, I really don't mind this breakup at all. They should stay broken up for a while, and I wouldn't even mind Luke getting with someone else as a result - I know, impossible for this show to have THREE gay characters. They can't even do right by the two they currently have. But at any rate, I liked it. There was even some "acting" there. Melodramatic, sure, but not-too-bad soap melodrama, as long as it remains focused on the characters themselves as they are, no matter how screwed up, and not on ridiculous cockblock- uhm, I mean, plot devices. No, no I would say cockblock is definitely the right word here macari, and I do agree that the break up between them was inevitable as it was necessary. Unfortunately for me the pain of the two breaking up on lukes part just seemed pathetic, and on noah's part forced. Maybe I'm biased because of other shows, it just seems to me that along the way the love between the lovers got lost
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Post by neand48 on Jun 10, 2008 18:59:53 GMT -5
Isn't it incredible that, not that long ago, we were cheering for those guys like crazy, and now... we're glad it's over.
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Post by Bonobochick on Jun 10, 2008 20:11:16 GMT -5
Isn't it incredible that, not that long ago, we were cheering for those guys like crazy, and now... we're glad it's over. I don't feel that way despite the current situation. I still like the Noah/Luke pairing but I hate the writing right now cause it's so stupid and implausible. If I can make it through months of shitty AWZ writing, I can do it here.
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Post by amber80 on Jun 10, 2008 20:34:13 GMT -5
Isn't it incredible that, not that long ago, we were cheering for those guys like crazy, and now... we're glad it's over. I don't feel that way despite the current situation. I still like the Noah/Luke pairing but I hate the writing right now cause it's so stupid and implausible. If I can make it through months of shitty AWZ writing, I can do it here. Same here... Haven't seen today's epi btw. I don't think I can take it at this time of day. It's on the to-do-list for tomorrow; really looking forward to it...
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Post by lolaruns on Jun 11, 2008 0:42:34 GMT -5
I wasn't really feeling the acting at all. Hence, the clip left me cold. Sigh. I just hope that whatever the writers cook up for them next for these characters is better than the Ameera thing. And I still have hope because it's summer and all the kids and college kids are home from school so I bet ATWT is gonna use their younger set.
BTW, the second scene where Luke tells Noah not to dismiss him was much better in the acting department, I actually liked that one.
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Post by Bonobochick on Jun 11, 2008 1:05:55 GMT -5
Ok, I got to watch today's episode and it wasn't good but it wasn't as bad overall as I thought it would be. This whole "Back In Iraq..." storyline just doesn't work for me for a lot of reasons but the main one is still - and excuse my unladylike language - why the fuck does Noah put Ameera's feelings and welfare before Luke's? I understand Noah's feelings about his father despite all the crazy shit he did like killing Noah's mother and almost killing his boyfriend, but Noah doesn't even fucking know that broad's birthday. Probably not even her favorite ice cream yet he'll fuck over the man he loves for her and it's supposed to make sense that her feelings matter more? I'm sorry, but no dice. No. Fucking. Way.Also, do we even know why Col Mayer wanted Ameera? That story kept changing, and while I don't really give a shit, consistency and plausibility would be nice. Has there ever been a story of more woe that that of Luciano and his moronic beau more DOA on a soap than BiI? Say what what you will about craptacular DeVa on AWZ but it makes more sense than this shit.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2008 2:15:15 GMT -5
Oh, maybe you should do like me. Tune out as it becomes too much, then check out an epi after a while, expecting the absolute worst, and come out thinking 'Hey, not too bad!' LOL I've just found that it can work like that. So, I shall tune out again. OT, but I can't express how disappointing AWZ has been to me. There was so much promise for something great there. I expected more from it even than Nuke for whom I somehow always waited for the writers to majorly screw up, as it was surprisingly good there for a while. And boy, did they deliver. Anyway, now, as I occasionally read what happens on AWZ (thanks, board!), I get more excited about any potential Roman-Ingo interaction than all that DeVaRo crap.
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Post by Bonobochick on Jun 11, 2008 13:59:55 GMT -5
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Post by amber80 on Jun 11, 2008 14:17:44 GMT -5
Ok, I think I'm going to force myself to watch yesterday's and today's episode...
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Post by Bonobochick on Jun 12, 2008 2:26:23 GMT -5
I may be in the minority, but I didn't hate Wednesday's episode. I hated Tuesday's episode but not Wednesday's episode. I actually oddly enjoyed it for various reasons. Go figure! That dinner at the farm was awkward and I felt more than Noah needing to be punched in the face, someone needed to really get Lily to drink a glass of STFU. I mean she kept going even though she had everyone telling her to STOP IT. Ugh. Sadly, today was the first episode in a long time I thought made sense in terms of the characters and their respective behavior. Months. I will be glad when Ameera is gone and also when her name is no longer mentioned. Stupid, stupid plot device that may have done the Noah/Luke pairing irreparable harm. spoiler alert... I think I read that Noah will finally snap out of it when he's sees Luke out with a friend and assumes Luke's started dating again. ... safe now
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Post by lolaruns on Jun 12, 2008 2:39:20 GMT -5
Agreed. The acting was nice. Jake and Van probably enjoy that they get to do something with a bit more meat to it again and something that is not as ridiculous as BII.
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