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Post by wook77 on Jul 2, 2008 9:20:45 GMT -5
It's official: Niall makes my skin crawl. He IS the 'master manipulative asshole/freak' that's tearing the McQueen's apart. Kudos to Barry and Bryan K. for bringing to life and creating such a character that has brought out this type of reaction within me. Usually soap opera villians are characters that you 'love to hate', but Niall actually makes me see red. I really hope that James/JP is STILL on the show for Niall's reveal. He's a McQueen (first and foremost) and he should be there for it.... I really like Niall for what he is but yes, he is so creepy and then his manipulations with Kieron? Grrrr. I hope that, for the reveal, JP comes back and kicks his ass, especially for what he's done to the entire family. It's hard to pick an occurrence that doesn't deserve a major ass-kicking so I'd like to see JP do it multiple times.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jul 2, 2008 9:28:17 GMT -5
Here's my thing though: Is the supposed Sunset Ending more important than John-Paul McQueen being there, in Chester to support his entire family (and get support from them in return) for the aftermath of Niall's true machinations towards their ENTIRE FAMILY? It's official: Niall makes my skin crawl. He IS the 'master manipulative asshole/freak' that's tearing the McQueen's apart. Kudos to Barry and Bryan K. for bringing to life and creating such a character that has brought out this type of reaction within me. Usually soap opera villians are characters that you 'love to hate', but Niall actually makes me see red. I really hope that James/JP is STILL on the show for Niall's reveal. He's a McQueen (first and foremost) and he should be there for it.... I really like Niall for what he is but yes, he is so creepy and then his manipulations with Kieron? Grrrr. I hope that, for the reveal, JP comes back and kicks his ass, especially for what he's done to the entire family. It's hard to pick an occurrence that doesn't deserve a major ass-kicking so I'd like to see JP do it multiple times.
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Post by cakefan on Jul 2, 2008 9:59:30 GMT -5
Here's my thing though: Is the supposed Sunset Ending more important than John-Paul McQueen being there, in Chester to support his entire family (and get support from them in return) for the aftermath of Niall's true machinations towards their ENTIRE FAMILY? I really like Niall for what he is but yes, he is so creepy and then his manipulations with Kieron? Grrrr. I hope that, for the reveal, JP comes back and kicks his ass, especially for what he's done to the entire family. It's hard to pick an occurrence that doesn't deserve a major ass-kicking so I'd like to see JP do it multiple times. No. What is important is what James wants for his career.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jul 2, 2008 10:24:13 GMT -5
Well, that's one thing we can definitely agree on. Here's my thing though: Is the supposed Sunset Ending more important than John-Paul McQueen being there, in Chester to support his entire family (and get support from them in return) for the aftermath of Niall's true machinations towards their ENTIRE FAMILY? No. What is important is what James wants for his career.
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Post by wook77 on Jul 2, 2008 12:47:38 GMT -5
Here's my thing though: Is the supposed Sunset Ending more important than John-Paul McQueen being there, in Chester to support his entire family (and get support from them in return) for the aftermath of Niall's true machinations towards their ENTIRE FAMILY? I think it'll be like Craig not coming back for Steph's wedding or the aftermath of Max's death. It'll just be "one of those things" that the writers don't care to address. IMHO - it's sloppy writing to ignore it. But with the time constraints, perhaps it would take the focus off of the main storyline to add in an explanation as to why family isn't there for family. edited to add: why the heck am I the first person on the past three pages? I'm starting to wonder about my own sense of timing
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Post by caitlinp on Jul 2, 2008 13:39:26 GMT -5
I think it is just lazy writing to not throw in a line about Craig not being at the wedding. Since the wedding was canceled and then re-scheduled at the last minute, all they had to say is that Craig could not make it at such short notice.
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Post by Bonobochick on Jul 2, 2008 14:01:10 GMT -5
I think it is just lazy writing to not throw in a line about Craig not being at the wedding. Since the wedding was canceled and then re-scheduled at the last minute, all they had to say is that Craig could not make it at such short notice. I agree. It makes me a little wary that they're going to overlook some things in order to focus on the coup of getting Guy to come back.
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Post by wook77 on Jul 2, 2008 15:25:59 GMT -5
Dear John Paul -
It's really easy to text Kieron instead of bemoaning him leaving. Just a thought.
Love, me
Now in all seriousness, I'm really starting to believe the lazy/sloppy writing bits. How hard would it have been to insert a line about Kieron not responding to texts or John Paul not being willing to text Kieron? John Paul sure texted Kieron a lot the last time they "broke up". It's like the writers think "i've a great plot device" and then don't fully think it the whole way out.
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Post by Bonobochick on Jul 2, 2008 15:27:13 GMT -5
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jul 2, 2008 15:53:58 GMT -5
Pppps - We're not supposed to think that way. Dear John Paul - It's really easy to text Kieron instead of bemoaning him leaving. Just a thought. Love, me Now in all seriousness, I'm really starting to believe the lazy/sloppy writing bits. How hard would it have been to insert a line about Kieron not responding to texts or John Paul not being willing to text Kieron? John Paul sure texted Kieron a lot the last time they "broke up". It's like the writers think "i've a great plot device" and then don't fully think it the whole way out.
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Post by wook77 on Jul 2, 2008 15:59:25 GMT -5
Pppps - We're not supposed to think that way. Dear John Paul - It's really easy to text Kieron instead of bemoaning him leaving. Just a thought. Love, me Now in all seriousness, I'm really starting to believe the lazy/sloppy writing bits. How hard would it have been to insert a line about Kieron not responding to texts or John Paul not being willing to text Kieron? John Paul sure texted Kieron a lot the last time they "broke up". It's like the writers think "i've a great plot device" and then don't fully think it the whole way out.Hee, well, yes. I'm just disappointed in the sloppy writing. If I flatter you with how much I love your signature banner gif thingy, will you forgive me?
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jul 2, 2008 16:07:43 GMT -5
Nothing to forgive, Wook. ;D I just loved the screencap, so I wanted it for my signature. I do have two couples (three - Including Ismael/Erwann from Les Chansons D'Amour) that I love, so I wanted to represent them in all my postings.
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Post by amber80 on Jul 2, 2008 16:14:19 GMT -5
That was such a nice sweet hug! (The one in your signature ) Great! Finally caught up on yesterday and today's clips. Mmmm... I don't really get why Kieron felt the sudden need to run away. It's quiet sudden, isn't it? Sloppy writing imo. They could have made it feel a bit less rushed. Everything happens so fast, without any real explanation. Kieron runs away without saying goodbye, just like that. After everything they went through the last couple of days? Doesn't sound believeable at all...
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Post by sheepiefarm on Jul 2, 2008 17:18:05 GMT -5
Hhhrrrrrrmmmmmmm Okay - I'm just not feeling this Keiron running off storyline This feels to me like a rushed writing effort / a quick script change to accommodate something else. If we are to believe any of their "love story" that has previously gone - then Keiron running off on JP without talking / texting / leaving some sort of I'm so sorry message just does NOT fit his character Totally NOT SATISFIED with this at all. It feels like Keiron has just been relegated to a sub-plot for the whole Niall story
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Post by carld2 on Jul 3, 2008 6:21:39 GMT -5
There were rumors Kieron was supposed to be written out (permanently) right after the reveal. If that's true, and they changed their plans, then I can see how they may have sent him out of town long enough to rework some stories.
I don't find this in character, but Kieron has undergone some major life upheaval and as much as John Paul may want to support him, he can't quite understand and he also has his own dramas. I can see why Kieron would let his emotions get the best of him and take a break, especially since he's been convinced it's for John Paul's benefit.
What I don't get is why JP can't just call or text him, and why JP and Kieron don't see through Niall a bit more.
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Post by cakefan on Jul 3, 2008 6:36:38 GMT -5
Why doesn't everyone see through Niall a bit more??? I had the impression Mercy seemed to be a bit suspicious but I don't know why as I didn't see the complete episode.
Concerning Kieron's motivations: it's quite a big change and he hasn't had the time to think it all through on his own - JP has been with him pretty much every minute since the reveal. I think the scene where he was looking at his dog collar - still wearing his priest ring - was quite telling. I think he can use some time alone. Also I don't think it's necessarily a rewrite. My inkling is that Kieron has an important function in Niall's reveal and wasn't it said that he comes back from Aberdeen with more information on Myra's son??? In that sense it's also a way of him to make it up to Myra in some way and to warm her to him and JP being together, maybe.
I agree it was a bit rushed and too little attention was paid to the motivations but I think that might become clearer when he gets back...
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jul 3, 2008 9:53:27 GMT -5
Many people can't seem to see through Niall, except for Mercedes. It seems like she just doesn't like him. Back on topic of JP and Kieron - I, along with others, have noticed that it's definitely strange that both characters haven't made the effort to contact each other, on why Kieron left. It's just something to make the latest twist 'work' for Niall's revenge storyline. There were rumors Kieron was supposed to be written out (permanently) right after the reveal. If that's true, and they changed their plans, then I can see how they may have sent him out of town long enough to rework some stories. I don't find this in character, but Kieron has undergone some major life upheaval and as much as John Paul may want to support him, he can't quite understand and he also has his own dramas. I can see why Kieron would let his emotions get the best of him and take a break, especially since he's been convinced it's for John Paul's benefit. What I don't get is why JP can't just call or text him, and why JP and Kieron don't see through Niall a bit more.
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Post by carld2 on Jul 3, 2008 10:38:31 GMT -5
Earlier on, Jacqui was the one who never trusted him. They seem to have forgotten. Just as they've forgotten his relationships with Carmel and Michaela. This Niall story has had some great moments but the pacing should have been much better. The actors have done so much to help the story. I especially like Niall's friendship with Kieron, fringed with that tension. Or the friendship they used to have. I guess it wasn't real on Niall's part, but I still liked it. I guess I'll always have that Backstage "Tusk" video...
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Post by Bonobochick on Jul 3, 2008 13:05:09 GMT -5
It has been brought to the mods attentions that some folks are abusing the smiting function on the boards, and in particular this forum. There are a lot of people on this board and not everyone is going to agree on things but smiting people for a simple difference of opinion or asking others to do it is unnecessary and says more about you than it does the person you're smiting. Come on, folks, we can disagree yet keep it civil and mature. Let's remember that. For those abusing the smiting function, whether directly or asking others to do it simply because you don't agree with another poster, stop. Any questions/problems, PM me. Thanks.
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Post by cakefan on Jul 4, 2008 5:30:03 GMT -5
Many people can't seem to see through Niall, except for Mercedes. It seems like she just doesn't like him. Back on topic of JP and Kieron - I, along with others, have noticed that it's definitely strange that both characters haven't made the effort to contact each other, on why Kieron left. It's just something to make the latest twist 'work' for Niall's revenge storyline. There were rumors Kieron was supposed to be written out (permanently) right after the reveal. If that's true, and they changed their plans, then I can see how they may have sent him out of town long enough to rework some stories. I don't find this in character, but Kieron has undergone some major life upheaval and as much as John Paul may want to support him, he can't quite understand and he also has his own dramas. I can see why Kieron would let his emotions get the best of him and take a break, especially since he's been convinced it's for John Paul's benefit. What I don't get is why JP can't just call or text him, and why JP and Kieron don't see through Niall a bit more.Yeah - they say Kieron hasn't called but that's not the only way to contact eachother so either JP is too stubborn to call or Kieron doesn't answer but either would be out of character and surely they could have said something about it - I would agree. Very sloppy writing. This couple just went through the major turmoil of being outed and then choose eachother over the previously most important thing in their lives and then they don't try to reach each other? They have to give us a reason for that!
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jul 4, 2008 14:44:14 GMT -5
New photo of John-Paul and Kieron....enjoy. I know that I am.
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Post by calaeb on Jul 4, 2008 15:41:10 GMT -5
New photo of John-Paul and Kieron....enjoy. I know that I am. ahh, that's a lovely pic.. thanks!
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jul 4, 2008 15:52:21 GMT -5
What are you talking about, Meidocfan?
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Post by nahuela on Jul 4, 2008 16:17:52 GMT -5
aaww that one is lovely <3 I think I´m going crazy with this massive Craig/Kieron-overflow the last days...
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Post by amber80 on Jul 4, 2008 18:46:34 GMT -5
New photo of John-Paul and Kieron....enjoy. I know that I am. Lovely picture!
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