General Discussion - Fisica O Quimica

[jos87]

thanks shiny and about this:

Jun 14, 2011 6:12:41 GMT -5 Shiny said:

Someone, please stop me

i understand why you can't stop to do something beautiful like this. We understand you very well and we appreciate your screencaps

[Shiny]

Thank you, jos87!

p.s. I'm not always the one creating the screencaps
Sometimes I just copy them from russian fan group

[Duskysoda]

Jun 14, 2011 6:20:17 GMT -5 Shiny said:

Adrian's performance was simply amazing yesterday! The way he showed all the emotions.. I keep re-watching the last sequence..

But honestly.. after seeing all those kisses, happy couples and happy endings I thought it was so unfair, so incredibly unfair that Fer had died and David is alone now (yes, he has Fer in his heart, but that's definitely not enough!)

I completely agree while Javi and Adrian did incredible work and it must have been a fantastic acting challenge... but... REALLY?... all these happy straight couples leaving Zubaran hand in hand and David is left with Fer's ghost? That was really necessary? It was exceptionally cruel to fans. It may not be the writers intent at all but it certainly feeds into the stereotype that Gays on TV are expendable. That they are really not as important as the straight characters. The plot line of Gays as Martyrs/Victims is profoundly cliche and done by those brought up viewing gay men and women as the world's outcasts. I'm sure the counter argument is that by giving Adrian and Javi this storyline it actually launched them into the position as THE stars of the show. But sorry,,,don't buy it. The price of this kind of stardom was way too much to endure.

[ari]

Jun 14, 2011 14:01:13 GMT -5 Duskysoda said:

Jun 14, 2011 6:20:17 GMT -5 Shiny said:

Adrian's performance was simply amazing yesterday! The way he showed all the emotions.. I keep re-watching the last sequence..

But honestly.. after seeing all those kisses, happy couples and happy endings I thought it was so unfair, so incredibly unfair that Fer had died and David is alone now (yes, he has Fer in his heart, but that's definitely not enough!)

I completely agree while Javi and Adrian did incredible work and it must have been a fantastic acting challenge... but... REALLY?... all these happy straight couples leaving Zubaran hand in hand and David is left with Fer's ghost? That was really necessary? It was exceptionally cruel to fans. It may not be the writers intent at all but it certainly feeds into the stereotype that Gays on TV are expendable. That they are really not as important as the straight characters. The plot line of Gays as Martyrs/Victims is profoundly cliche and done by those brought up viewing gay's as the world's outcasts. I'm sure the counter argument is that by giving Adrian and Javi this storyline it actually launched them into the position as THE stars of the show. But sorry,,,don't buy it. The price of this kind of stardom was way too much to endure.

I said it before and I'll say it again. It was pure crap
for the writers to do what they did. Period. But, now
that I know Javier was leaving the show anyway, I
can understand better why it was done.

[jos87]

Jun 14, 2011 12:54:40 GMT -5 Shiny said:

Thank you, jos87!

p.s. I'm not always the one creating the screencaps
Sometimes I just copy them from russian fan group

this is a little and not important detail . I really appreciate that you put this screencaps here.So thank you again

I continue to say that i would have preferred an happy end for them;but all this happy straight couple at the end,like firens said a few days ago:

Jun 10, 2011 20:56:24 GMT -5 firens said:

As you know, the choice of the writers doesn't make me happy at all. But, about those (heterosexual) happy ends, you understand, no doubt, they are just jokes:

So, yes, Fer's death is still as unacceptable as ever, but it is just as true that Fervid is the only valid love story in the show.

i think the same;so even with a sad end, Fervid is on another planet respect all these "happy" couples (and for me in the writer's eyes too).
Ari i believe that if Javier would leave anyway the series,Adrian would do the same;and ,before this change of plans from the writers, with an happy end(we know that the first project was the marriage between them);however things can not be changed anymore and we have to accept this end,that,even is not the best for our couple and for us, make Fervid a special couple whose love is eternal (this view of the Fervid's story helps me to accept this writer's choice)

[herkimer]

Jun 14, 2011 14:01:13 GMT -5 Duskysoda said:

I completely agree while Javi and Adrian did incredible work and it must have been a fantastic acting challenge... but... REALLY?... all these happy straight couples leaving Zubaran hand in hand and David is left with Fer's ghost? That was really necessary? It was exceptionally cruel to fans. It may not be the writers intent at all but it certainly feeds into the stereotype that Gays on TV are expendable. That they are really not as important as the straight characters. The plot line of Gays as Martyrs/Victims is profoundly cliche and done by those brought up viewing gay's as the world's outcasts....

I've just now watched the ending. I have the same thoughts you expressed.

I live in Michele Bachmann's congressional district. I am Catholic. Gays where I am, it often seems, are still often thought of as outcasts. And yet Minnesota is a progressive and tolerant place, compared to many other places I've lived.

I could elaborate on that extensively but this is probably not the proper forum. (If anyone is interested, google Michele Bachmann, or the DVD sent to Catholic homes by Minnesota Bishops in 2010, or gay teen suicides in Minnesota.)

When I was growing up I would hear trusted adults (teachers, parents, etc.) say things such as "It must be terrible to be gay, what a sad and lonely life." Those words echoed in my head as I watched the final moments with Adrian and Javier. This ending could be used by those individuals to prove their point.

I fear tolerance is slowly slipping away, and this type of portrayal may cause it to fade faster.

[jos87]

i was able to see the episode this night (and with a mobile internet key was like a "miracle" because the browsing speed is limited respect with the Adsl;but i could see the entire episode without problems ) and i like it. It's sad that Fer was in the episode in that way and not alive. But i loved that part where he is with David, embracing and kissing him;something powerfull to indicate that this love will be forever (even is normal and right to think that David will have another partner in his life;a man or a woman with whom to spend the rest of his life;but this doesn't mean that David will forget Fer because a great part of David's heart will be always a Fer's property,and i said this many times);it's a pity that the show was reduced in 7 chapter because some stories have been closed too quickly;but the writers did their best to close all these storylines. Another part that i liked,connected with David,was when he said,with a sad face that "Aquí hemos aprendido a elegir cual es nuestro camino". And, to end this post, i find right to close the last scene with Olimpia and Yoli that are the members of the original cast that were part of all the seasons. Now my thanks go to FoQ,to the writers (even if the end of our couple was not happy), to a great part of Foq's actors (because i liked a great part of the stories) and especially to Adrian and Javier ,obviously for giving us our amazing Fervid. And i want to thank again,respect to this forum, firens for all his "work" to keep us informed about this great show.And thank you all of you for these discussions. And i hope that this forum can continue to exist;obviously the posts will be less than now but i'd like to come here again to read something for example about Adrian and Javier and talk with all of you about this. I hope not to have bored all of you with this post. Good Night (here in Italy is 3:39 AM)

[Shiny]

jos87, thank you very much once again for your kind words.
You have encouraged me to post more! And I'll do it later today

I have warned you as I do have a lot of more screencaps!

[Shiny]

I watched yesterday the video conference with Victor Palmero y Javier Quintas conducted as usual by Jonathan.

All three were amazed by the fact that FoQ is being watched and followed worldwide (they have mentioned France, Italy, Russia and some more) and they were really wondering how can we (non-spanish speaking fans) watch and understand the series.

Well, we know the secret

For those who missed the conference and would like to take a look here's the link
(Fernando Andina, Sabrina Garciarena were also part of it):
www.antena3.com/encuentros/fisicaoquimica/videoencuentro-especial-foq_2011061000145.html


P.S. And Frida is Ramzes in real life

[firens]

Well, the bad news is that Tuesday's videochat was officially the last one ever. So, unless there is a change of mind, the only hope left is that Adrián's twitcam will be done in tandem with Javier. Weirder things have certainly happened.

Not only we were informed of Frida's real life name but we also learned she is in fact a boy, and not just that but very well equipped, which caused no end of logistical (for lack of a better word) difficulties.

[Shiny]

It's such a pity that there was no video conference with Adrián
He's such a great actor.

And reading and hearing all that compliments to Javi (which is well-deserved, off course!) and only few to Adri (this is just my impression with my pure Spanish) I feel that Adrián is underestimated by FoQ production team. I think that his performance was great and purely awesome in the last three chapters!

[margie]

Jun 14, 2011 16:02:34 GMT -5 ari said:

Jun 14, 2011 14:01:13 GMT -5 Duskysoda said:

I completely agree while Javi and Adrian did incredible work and it must have been a fantastic acting challenge... but... REALLY?... all these happy straight couples leaving Zubaran hand in hand and David is left with Fer's ghost? That was really necessary? It was exceptionally cruel to fans. It may not be the writers intent at all but it certainly feeds into the stereotype that Gays on TV are expendable. That they are really not as important as the straight characters. The plot line of Gays as Martyrs/Victims is profoundly cliche and done by those brought up viewing gay's as the world's outcasts. I'm sure the counter argument is that by giving Adrian and Javi this storyline it actually launched them into the position as THE stars of the show. But sorry,,,don't buy it. The price of this kind of stardom was way too much to endure.

I said it before and I'll say it again. It was pure crap
for the writers to do what they did. Period. But, now
that I know Javier was leaving the show anyway, I
can understand better why it was done.

I still don't see why they had to kill Fer. Even with all the explanations that it would make Fervid story immortal and/or special, it still doesn't make sense. Other characters have left the show without being murdered. IMO, it seems more a case of lazy writing and leaves a bitter taste to the ending of the show.

[firens]

Frankly, I don't think so. Whether it was Javier Quintas, or Víctor, Adrián was mentioned, always in very laudative terms. And the website has done a piece on his Overlay interview and photoshoot, even including the little thing about the title song, which is not exactly flattering for whomever made the decision about it.

www.antena3.com/series/fisica-o-quimica/eres-fan/entrevistas/adrian-rodriguez-siempre-hay-que-terminar-empezar-algo-nuevo_2011061400130.html

My sense of this is, one of the problems is Adrián's (perfectly understandable) emphasis on "now it's all about my music". I am sure he's got representation for his acting career, so of course offers and projects will be coming his way through that channel. But insisting in this manner that music is really what's important to him (even though when one actually reads the interviews it's absolutely not so clear cut and he says he'd be delighted to get approached for film work), does send a confusing signal, as if he was trying to replicate the SJK business in solo form. Whereas his work in FoQ as David means he's now taken seriously as an actor, and not just a kid teenage girls go crazy over. I guess that's where keeping close to his actor friends is really important.

[firens]

With all due respect, if there is one thing chapter 75 is not, it's lazy writing. If one really has to use that category, lazy writing would be Cabano going to England to play to football.

[Shiny]

Congratulations with your new old status, firens! It's really deserved!!!

And thank you! I'm glad that this was not the case with Adri. Without your translations and with my pure Spanish I was mostly able only to guess what they were talking about...

[firens]

One of the things that was most unexpected in Monday night's retrospective "special", and gayest as well, was the clip from a spoof/parody of FoQ by two guys posing I guess as Paula and Ruth. Javier Calvo just tweeted the link to the YT channel from which this is taken.

www.youtube.com/user/dravensito

It's actually a whole series. ;D As Javier says, "we love it". ;D

[Shiny]

Some pics from the Special:

"¡Hola, mi amor!"






Javi: And now the question for one million...
Adri: Pffff






More can be found here:
www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.153282668076185.41141.145443898860062

[jos87]

thanks shiny for the pictures;i like the first one they are so cute together. And i have to say that for me Adrian with the beard is even more sexy

Jun 15, 2011 6:53:30 GMT -5 firens said:

With all due respect, if there is one thing chapter 75 is not, it's lazy writing. If one really has to use that category, lazy writing would be Cabano going to England to play to football.

i'm agree with you. We may not like the writer's choice to kill Fer but the episode was ,for me, well written,directed and acted. Even if it was sad,i really like that episode.

[firens]

The caption for the first pic should be "¡Hola, mi amor!" because that's what Javi said at that point.

[Shiny]

Some more pics from Making Off (jos87, only because you've asked it )

[Shiny]

Jun 15, 2011 8:21:43 GMT -5 firens said:

The caption for the first pic should be "¡Hola, mi amor!" because that's what Javi said at that point.

Wow!!

Added!!

[jos87]

yes that first picture is the moment where Javier called Adrian "mi amor" and this is not the first time
In this last set of pictures missing the part where Adrian gives to Javier a rose; very good gesture from Adrian.
i know that this is a gay forum but i have to say that the actress who plays Yoli is very beautiful

[Shiny]

Pepsi and me have posted already a lot of pictures several pages ago! All moments with rose are there

And now two more from 7x7!

[jos87]

i think that we'll miss them and Fervid's story very much;at the moment, to me, does not seem true that we'll not have their stories anymore.
About the twittcam, maybe all the people who have twitter or facebook can write to Adrian's and Javier's pages asking a sort of "twittcam/videoencuentro" with the fans.I'd like to see them together again. Moment of Nostalgia

[Shiny]

I also wanted to do it!

So if someone writes here how to write it