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Post by philos on Nov 21, 2014 17:18:47 GMT -5
A couple of episodes with Andi, Sascha and Bella. Porn is the main link of all, this time.
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Post by philos on Nov 22, 2014 6:22:29 GMT -5
The big secret of Doc Jo is out, finally. Olli knows all now. Enjoy... if you can.
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Post by philos on Nov 24, 2014 17:54:31 GMT -5
Finally, the talk between Doc Jo and Olli, in the episode of today.
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Post by philos on Nov 24, 2014 17:55:33 GMT -5
And now I would like to know WHY we couldn't have this end for Chrolli, just with Christian instead of Sam? Their love wouldn't have been ruined with a divorce, Jo Weil could have had a lot of good dramatic scenes and Olli could have restarted a life after Christian. Also with Doc Jo, why not. Argh! What a lost occasion!
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Post by Difficult Diva on Nov 24, 2014 19:30:10 GMT -5
Finally, the talk between Doc Jo and Olli, in the episode of today. Such a great insight to what Jo (the character) is going through in his feelings between his long-lasting love for his deceased lover Sam and his growing feelings and possible maybe with Olli. I think many people who have lost a loved one by death feel that they're somehow betraying the person if they find themselves suddenly happy, feeling good, enjoying another person's company and developing feelings for someone else. The possibility of love is a gift. It does NOT negate the love, the years and experiences Jo had with Sam. It just means that Jo's heart and mind is healing and ready to love again. It also does NOT negate the years of love and experiences that Olli had with Christian. It doesn't negate the love that Olli had for him. It's just another opportunity and chance of Olli AND Jo being able and willing to open themselves up to another shot at love. Olli's worth having someone opening up their heart, mind and life again for him to be in.
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Post by angel on Nov 25, 2014 4:30:55 GMT -5
And now I would like to know WHY we couldn't have this end for Chrolli, just with Christian instead of Sam? Their love wouldn't have been ruined with a divorce, Jo Weil could have had a lot of good dramatic scenes and Olli could have restarted a life after Christian. Also with Doc Jo, why not. Argh! What a lost occasion! Yeah its a shame form the production. I wrote it a few month ago (or years) in the spoiler discuss thread. All because the actor ThoreSchölermann wants not, that his character died, why must the production listen to that. And with a plane crash or something else it had also could be a backdoor, if ThoreS wants to comeback someday or they want a recast for Christian someday as new problem. You cant unterstand the production and the writers and their decisions.
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Post by angel on Nov 25, 2014 5:07:58 GMT -5
Such a great insight to what Jo (the character) is going through in his feelings between his long-lasting love for his deceased lover Sam and his growing feelings and possible maybe with Olli. I think many people who have lost a loved one by death feel that they're somehow betraying the person if they find themselves suddenly happy, feeling good, enjoying another person's company and developing feelings for someone else. The possibility of love is a gift. It does NOT negate the love, the years and experiences Jo had with Sam. It just means that Jo's heart and mind is healing and ready to love again. It also does NOT negate the years of love and experiences that Olli had with Christian. It doesn't negate the love that Olli had for him. It's just another opportunity and chance of Olli AND Jo being able and willing to open themselves up to another shot at love. Olli's worth having someone opening up their heart, mind and life again for him to be in. But is it not a bit strange that Ollis history is so totaly swept under the carpet, like his experience with queer beating. Its only Jo, Jo and again Jo. For me to much Jo and his problems and to less Olli and to less love in this story. I dont care at first of Jo, I care at first of Olli.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Nov 25, 2014 6:46:25 GMT -5
Such a great insight to what Jo (the character) is going through in his feelings between his long-lasting love for his deceased lover Sam and his growing feelings and possible maybe with Olli. I think many people who have lost a loved one by death feel that they're somehow betraying the person if they find themselves suddenly happy, feeling good, enjoying another person's company and developing feelings for someone else. The possibility of love is a gift. It does NOT negate the love, the years and experiences Jo had with Sam. It just means that Jo's heart and mind is healing and ready to love again. It also does NOT negate the years of love and experiences that Olli had with Christian. It doesn't negate the love that Olli had for him. It's just another opportunity and chance of Olli AND Jo being able and willing to open themselves up to another shot at love. Olli's worth having someone opening up their heart, mind and life again for him to be in. But is it not a bit strange that Olli's history is so totaly swept under the carpet, like his experience with queer beating? Its only Jo, Jo and again Jo. For me to much Jo and his problems and to less Olli and to less love in this story. I dont care at first of Jo, I care at first of Olli. How is Olli's history being "swept under the carpet"? Viewers know Olli's history and past relationships with other men all too well, including his years with his divorced husband. VL showed Olli hanging onto his now ex husband by his fingertips for over a year and a half. Folks really wanted that explored again? Olli reliving all those feelings of shock, betrayal, doubt, sadness, anger and finally acceptance of the end of his marriage? Well, I'm enjoying what I'm seeing, because it's showing how somebody can survive the loss of someone that they loved and will always love, but also be able to let themselves move on and love someone else.
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Post by LadyArmand on Nov 25, 2014 9:12:29 GMT -5
You can’t have it both ways. I think that people have wanted to see Olli in a relationship not having to do with a basically straight man falling in love with him and “coming out” as whatever. For the first time since Olli was with Tom, he is with a man who has had relationships with other men. (just an aside, I don’t count Rafa because he was used as a plot device to make Christian jealous and finally get off his ass and get his man back.) He’s being paired with a man who knows he is attracted to both men and women, but who has been in a significant love relationship with a man. I don’t see any sweeping of Olli’s past under the carpet. First of all, we’ve seen Olli dealing with his failing marriage to Christian for well over a year. Part of Olli’s coping mechanism was him developing feelings for Sasha. Even during this whole situation he has referenced his relationship to Christian a few times. So nothing is being forgotten or swept under the rug.
But this is about Jo, in that here is a man who has been damaged by the sudden violent death of the person he loved most in the world. Death whenever it comes is scaring, but to at first hear your lover being attacked and then get there to find him motionless on the ground and as a doctor not being able to do anything to help him must be and we are seeing is devastating for Jo. And then here comes Olli, whom at first he thought he was just having fun with. But something changed and it wasn’t and isn’t just fun. But he can’t admit that to himself, because in his mind it would mean betraying Sam and the love he has for him. But as we have also seen, he can’t stay away from Olli, even as he’s saying this is only an affair for him, even as he’s saying that he can’t offer Olli anything more. Jo can’t help but be drawn to be Olli. He wants to be in his presence, he wants to be around him. Even at the party, it wasn’t just flirting, he was actually very affectionate to Olli and that is because Olli is more than a warm body to him at this point. And it shows how much he cares about Olli and what Olli thinks of him that the first person he has ever confided in about Sam is Olli.
It has to be about Jo, because we haven’t been privileged to see him before all we get is the aftermath of what happened to him as a result of Sam’s death. Whereas, with Olli we were all witness to the slow and painful death of his relationship with Christian. Why should we have to relive that again? He never thought he would be at this stage in his life starting over again. But he is and he’s dealing with it all the best way he can. As we have seen Jo’s way of coping is that he shut himself off to love or the idea of loving another man ever again. Now he’s dealing with the fact that he’s falling in love with Olli.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Nov 25, 2014 18:40:58 GMT -5
You can’t have it both ways. I think that people have wanted to see Olli in a relationship not having to do with a basically straight man falling in love with him and “coming out” as whatever. For the first time since Olli was with Tom, he is with a man who has had relationships with other men. (just an aside, I don’t count Rafa because he was used as a plot device to make Christian jealous and finally get off his ass and get his man back.) He’s being paired with a man who knows he is attracted to both men and women, but who has been in a significant love relationship with a man. I don’t see any sweeping of Olli’s past under the carpet. First of all, we’ve seen Olli dealing with his failing marriage to Christian for well over a year. Part of Olli’s coping mechanism was him developing feelings for Sasha. Even during this whole situation he has referenced his relationship to Christian a few times. So nothing is being forgotten or swept under the rug. But this is about Jo, in that here is a man who has been damaged by the sudden violent death of the person he loved most in the world. Death whenever it comes is scaring, but to at first hear your lover being attacked and then get there to find him motionless on the ground and as a doctor not being able to do anything to help him must be and we are seeing is devastating for Jo. And then here comes Olli, whom at first he thought he was just having fun with. But something changed and it wasn’t and isn’t just fun. But he can’t admit that to himself, because in his mind it would mean betraying Sam and the love he has for him. But as we have also seen, he can’t stay away from Olli, even as he’s saying this is only an affair for him, even as he’s saying that he can’t offer Olli anything more. Jo can’t help but be drawn to be Olli. He wants to be in his presence, he wants to be around him. Even at the party, it wasn’t just flirting, he was actually very affectionate to Olli and that is because Olli is more than a warm body to him at this point. And it shows how much he cares about Olli and what Olli thinks of him that the first person he has ever confided in about Sam is Olli. It has to be about Jo, because we haven’t been privileged to see him before all we get is the aftermath of what happened to him as a result of Sam’s death. Whereas, with Olli we were all witness to the slow and painful death of his relationship with Christian. Why should we have to relive that again? He never thought he would be at this stage in his life starting over again. But he is and he’s dealing with it all the best way he can. As we have seen Jo’s way of coping is that he shut himself off to love or the idea of loving another man ever again. Now he’s dealing with the fact that he’s falling in love with Olli. Thank you, Lady A. I'm going to enjoy this final storyline and not sit and complain about why it never was written for another character who is off the current show.
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Post by taversham on Nov 30, 2014 23:56:32 GMT -5
But is it not a bit strange that Olli's history is so totaly swept under the carpet, like his experience with queer beating? Its only Jo, Jo and again Jo. How is Olli's history being "swept under the carpet"? Viewers know Olli's history and past relationships with other men all too well, including his years with his divorced husband. I agree with angel, I would have liked to have seen more focus on Olli regarding the queer bashing. Obviously it was important as a plot device to give us an opportunity to learn about Jo and his past, and Sam. And I've really enjoyed how they've shown Jo's side of the story - I'm liking their dynamic as a whole at this point. But Olli was the one who was beaten up, and we saw barely any reaction from him. He was completely okay with everything immediately afterwards, and within a few hours his only priority was Jo again. Even the self-defence course stuff (which I liked because it showed a different side to Jo) was about Jo, and Jo needing to know Olli would be safe, and then showing the audience about Jo's struggles with it. I'd've just liked a mention of how Olli himself felt - it didn't need to be the focus, I know that's not what's required for the storyline, but his side of it being completely ignored is awkward when he was the actual victim, and you'd think it would have at least brought up memories of Axel. That was a significant moment in Olli's life, and aside from anything else it caused him to have a nearly fatal brain injury which would have been good to mention if only as a much more plausible reason for Olli to need to have nigh on daily hospital checkups than having his tiny graze looked at... Olli's history doesn't just mean Christian, even things that happened while he was with Christian are part of Olli's own story not just part of "Chrolli". Mentioning them when they're relevant doesn't lessen the significance of his current relationship(affair/friendship/fling/daliance) with Jo. If adoption/fostering became linked to a current storyline I would expect Lilly to be mentioned, if someone had an HIV scare I would expect Jonas to be mentioned, and if Olli is beaten up by homophobes I would have expected Axel to be mentioned (not with whole scenes devoted to it, just a line or two). Olli is his own character, he's not solely defined by who he's currently in a relationship with, or who he was with in the past. It's not a Christian vs Jo competition. I mean, I'm not saying the past should be dwelt on (...I don't even like Christian. At all.), but some continuity would be nice imo.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Dec 1, 2014 5:38:52 GMT -5
How is Olli's history being "swept under the carpet"? Viewers know Olli's history and past relationships with other men all too well, including his years with his divorced husband. I agree with angel, I would have liked to have seen more focus on Olli regarding the queer bashing. Obviously it was important as a plot device to give us an opportunity to learn about Jo and his past, and Sam. And I've really enjoyed how they've shown Jo's side of the story - I'm liking their dynamic as a whole at this point. But Olli was the one who was beaten up, and we saw barely any reaction from him. He was completely okay with everything immediately afterwards, and within a few hours his only priority was Jo again. Even the self-defence course stuff (which I liked because it showed a different side to Jo) was about Jo, and Jo needing to know Olli would be safe, and then showing the audience about Jo's struggles with it. I'd've just liked a mention of how Olli himself felt - it didn't need to be the focus, I know that's not what's required for the storyline, but his side of it being completely ignored is awkward when he was the actual victim, and you'd think it would have at least brought up memories of Axel. That was a significant moment in Olli's life, and aside from anything else it caused him to have a nearly fatal brain injury which would have been good to mention if only as a much more plausible reason for Olli to need to have nigh on daily hospital checkups than having his tiny graze looked at... Olli's history doesn't just mean Christian, even things that happened while he was with Christian are part of Olli's own story not just part of "Chrolli". Mentioning them when they're relevant doesn't lessen the significance of his current relationship(affair/friendship/fling/daliance) with Jo. If adoption/fostering became linked to a current storyline I would expect Lilly to be mentioned, if someone had an HIV scare I would expect Jonas to be mentioned, and if Olli is beaten up by homophobes I would have expected Axel to be mentioned (not with whole scenes devoted to it, just a line or two). Olli is his own character, he's not solely defined by who he's currently in a relationship with, or who he was with in the past. It's not a Christian vs Jo competition. I mean, I'm not saying the past should be dwelt on (...I don't even like Christian. At all.), but some continuity would be nice imo. Olli did have a reaction to being attacked by homophobes. He was able to brush it off and move on. It just wasn't to your personal liking of the show having him not dwell on it. I'm going to be honest from my POV: It has been a Christian vs. Anyone competition, since some folks finally stopped fantazing and realized that the character wasn't coming back. Also, Olli hasn't been his own character and has been solely defined by his pairing with Christian for years, that things that have happened to him in his past, are always connected to how Christian behaved and that sadly is used as a measuring stick on how "good or bad" any new guy in Olli's life reacts to things happening in Olli's current life. This same sort of focus/comparison happened with Sascha (who's now Olli's friend) and now with Jo (his current lover).
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Post by taversham on Dec 1, 2014 14:36:35 GMT -5
Olli did have a reaction to being attacked by homophobes. He was able to brush it off and move on. It just wasn't to your personal liking of the show having him not dwell on it. I'm going to be honest from my POV: It has been a Christian vs. Anyone competition, since some folks finally stopped fantazing and realized that the character wasn't coming back. Also, Olli hasn't been his own character and has been solely defined by his pairing with Christian for years, that things that have happened to him in his past, are always connected to how Christian behaved and that sadly is used as a measuring stick on how "good or bad" any new guy in Olli's life reacts to things happening in Olli's current life. This same sort of focus/comparison happened with Sascha (who's now Olli's friend) and now with Jo (his current lover). Completely ignoring something isn't the same as brushing it off and moving on - the latter requires some degree of acknowledgement. We barely got a "well, these things happen". I wouldn't want him to dwell, or sit around being miserable, or be scared to leave the house or anything (I think they would hypothetically be valid and reasonable reactions, but that's not what this storyline is about, it's about Jo). Though if a total non-reaction counts as a reaction then I would say it is an out-of-character reaction compared to Olli's past reactions to anything even vaguely traumatic happening to him. Just him finding Giselle covered in red paint warranted him going around telling everyone how frightened he had been... Seeing Olli as only being half of a relationship (whether with Christian, Jo, or whoever) isn't a universal way in which people inherently have to watch the show tbh. If other fans want to define things like that, then fine, obviously everyone knows how they prefer things, but personally I'd find that really limiting. Especially on a soap, where the whole point is that relationships aren't permanent, and especially for Olli, who in practice has spent most of the last two years single anyway. (...And then, how do stories like Olli becoming an accessory to Andi's vandalism/mishap/crime get "categorised"? Is that connected to Christian even though he wasn't on screen because they were still married at the time? Or to Sascha even though they were never together because it was around the same time he moved into the flat? Or to Andi because I am sure those cats are going to get it together one of these days...)
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Post by Difficult Diva on Dec 1, 2014 16:25:21 GMT -5
I don't know, Taversham
You'll just have to watch and keep on questioning right up until Olli exits with or without a man in his life.
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Post by taversham on Dec 1, 2014 16:46:28 GMT -5
Well, there's no need to pretend there's a mystery on that front, we're not children
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Post by philos on Dec 1, 2014 17:57:42 GMT -5
The episode of today:
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Post by philos on Dec 2, 2014 18:14:08 GMT -5
The episode of today is subbed; you can think what you want, but I like this one. Especially how Olli react to Jo's behaviour.
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Post by philos on Dec 9, 2014 13:46:29 GMT -5
Sorry, I forget to post earlier; the episode of yesterday:
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Post by Trish on Dec 28, 2014 10:22:17 GMT -5
There hasn't been any post in a while. Has there not been any updates?
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Post by Zathras on Dec 28, 2014 12:11:36 GMT -5
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Post by Trish on Dec 28, 2014 13:45:24 GMT -5
Thanks for the link. I was more surprised that there were new spoilers.
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Post by sonia38 on Dec 31, 2014 18:53:42 GMT -5
Question for anyone who still watches the show. What happened to Rebecca and Marlene's relationship. Is Marlene still on the show. Thanks.
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Post by philos on Jan 1, 2015 9:57:24 GMT -5
Question for anyone who still watches the show. What happened to Rebecca and Marlene's relationship. Is Marlene still on the show. Thanks. Hi Sonia, Marlene moved to USA in June, if I remember well. All has been managed in a single episode, without a real SL; a big lack of respect by the writers, IMO.
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Post by sonia38 on Jan 1, 2015 17:11:30 GMT -5
Thank you Philos for responding to my question.
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Post by kevvoi on Mar 7, 2015 21:25:08 GMT -5
Chrolliworldwide posted this brief clip:
They stated the following:
After looking up Nana's original part 46 -- it is different from what aired!
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