Oliver & Christian, 31.07.08, video and caps

[Bonobochick]

Watched it, enjoyed it. I see Christian is wearing my favorite shirt in his wardrobe. Yay. Aldebaran, Christian was being super grouchy and at some point I was waiting for Olli to tell him to dial it the fuck down. I understood where Christian was coming from but he was being unreasonably bitchy and grumpy over every little thing that Olli was doing.


It's weird but it did cross my mind that if Olli wasn't so mad at Olivia currently, this is one of those instances when he totally would have called her for support to talk about his feelings.

Anyhoo, good for Olli trying to get out and not mope at home that he's not getting to spend as much time with Christian as he'd like though I was halfway expecting his to be polishing utensils deep in thought.

Tomorrow should be fun.

Jul 31, 2008 16:26:54 GMT -5 GayTime said:

I don't know what y'all have going on with those shoes :-)) Like I said, I don't see anything wrong with it at all... :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

Is it because you're blinded by lust? I was like ARE THOSE SHOES ON THE COUCH PILLOWS?


yay for good VL and good ATWT today. ;D

[ivaniv]

Yes, I thought too, at times like these Olli would take Olivia in some club and get wasted, but now it's just Tante Charlie. But I have a feeling that that guy in Schneider's might be something Charlie related and there was a different reason why Charlie did not want Christian to see them together

[summerinthecity]

Yeah, Christian should have been a bit lot nicer, no doubt, still whoever has never been unfair but always been nice and balanced although under great pressure may throw the first stone. I won't (can't )... .
And then Oli was a bit like a puppy today - absolutely sweet but always in the way .
It was quite interesting to see that Christian seemed in a much better mood after he went jogging - on his own!!! and that Oli needed to go out and talk (to both Gregor and Charlie) and probably just have some fun to distract himself.

[aldebaran]

Thanks Wolfi and Bonobo, I'm relieved to know that I'm not the only one to think that. I was expecting to be smitten right away! ;D

Jul 31, 2008 17:00:15 GMT -5 summerinthecity said:

Yeah, Christian should have been a bit lot nicer, no doubt, still whoever has never been unfair but always been nice and balanced although under great pressure may throw the first stone. I won't (can't )... .

Well, neither can I...

Jul 31, 2008 16:29:14 GMT -5 Bonobochick said:

Is it because you're blinded by lust? I was like ARE THOSE SHOES ON THE COUCH PILLOWS?

Thank goodness Gregor - the wise brother this time - finally pushed them off the couch...

[restenergy]

No, Aldebaran, you are certainly not the only person who thought that Christian was way too grumpy today. I was rather amazed that Olli didn't tell him off something awful. He just kept trying. I'm sure that didn't make it any better for Christian, being as grumpy and on edge as we was. Olli could probably have backed down a bit. Still, he was downright mean to Olli, all the while Olli was trying to be sweet and wonderful. Certainly no one would blame Olli for being frustrated and upset after that.

I'm not so sure that Olli is really planning something for Christian. (I could be pleasantly surprised, though. ). But I don't think that Olli was contemplating cheating on Christian, either. (Although he has done that in the past. ) I suspect that he has just gone out to have a little time away, have a nice time (no, not that way!), etc. I think Charlie is nervous because it does look like Olli is being a bit flirtatious and she really doesn't want Christian to see that because she is afraid of what it might do to the both of them. I'm looking forward to seeing the episode with subtitles so that I can get a better handle on these things (and maybe revise my preliminary interpretation.)


Oh, and Gaytime, I don't understand why people seem so concerned about the shoes, either....

[j9l45]

There did seem to be a marked contrast between the way Christian was playfully turning down Olli in the beginning and the grumpy/horny/hungry way he was stressing when he came back. Did something happen between the 2 times? Maybe it will make more sense when I have seen the subtitles.

I did notice the look of regret on Christian after Olli left the room following the first turn down. Maybe C is lashing out because he is also frustrated and angry with himself in addition to all the other anxiety. *shrugs* Just a thought.

[aldebaran]

Jul 31, 2008 17:29:16 GMT -5 restenergy said:

But I don't think that Olli was contemplating cheating on Christian, either. (Although he has done that in the past. )

Sorry but I can't recall any episode where Olli cheated on Chris since they've been together...

[restenergy]

Jul 31, 2008 18:35:08 GMT -5 aldebaran said:

Jul 31, 2008 17:29:16 GMT -5 restenergy said:

But I don't think that Olli was contemplating cheating on Christian, either. (Although he has done that in the past. )

Sorry but I can't recall any episode where Olli cheated on Chris since they've been together...

Sorry, I should have written that more clearly. Olli has never cheated on Christian, and I think he is very unlikely to do so. They are still too much in love, and rifts greater than Christian's meanness today would have to form before it could be seriously contemplated, I think. But there was that time what Olli cheated on Tom way back when. I think Olli has matured since then, but it is in his past.

[tihkon2]

regarding today's episode. I liked it. And I didn't take it too seriously. For me Christian was a grumpy ass because of nerves and diet and stress, and Olli was a little too sensitive and is just blowing off steam. Neither ones are grounds for divorce.

;D

[final81]

Jul 31, 2008 18:43:08 GMT -5 restenergy said:

Jul 31, 2008 18:35:08 GMT -5 aldebaran said:

Sorry but I can't recall any episode where Olli cheated on Chris since they've been together...

Sorry, I should have written that more clearly. Olli has never cheated on Christian, and I think he is very unlikely to do so. They are still too much in love, and rifts greater than Christian's meanness today would have to form before it could be seriously contemplated, I think. But there was that time what Olli cheated on Tom way back when. I think Olli has matured since then, but it is in his past.

Olli only cheated on Tom because Tom slept with Ulli.

[restenergy]

Jul 31, 2008 18:48:22 GMT -5 @final81 said:

Olli only cheated on Tom because Tom slept with Ulli.

True. Olli was hurt by Tom's sleeping with Ulli. I don't think Christian went anywhere near that level of transgression. And I think the relationship is solid enough that Olli wouldn't be seriously tempted at this point. But it does remain something Olli has shown himself capable of doing when hurt.

It was mostly a side comment, not really a major point. Please don't make too much out of it. I'm not accusing Olli of anything here and now, even cheating in his heart if not with his body.

Jul 31, 2008 18:45:53 GMT -5 tihkon2 said:

For me Christian was a grumpy ass because of nerves and diet and stress, and Olli was a little too sensitive and is just blowing off steam. Neither ones are grounds for divorce.

Indeed, as my point really was that I don't think Olli was contemplating anything that could be.

I do think, however, that Christian really looked like he could use a hug as the episode ends. On the other hand, given his grumpy behavior before, I can't quite bring myself to say "poor fellow," either.

[RJ]

You know what the best thing about Christian and Olli having fights is?

The hot make-up sex afterwards! ;D

So no worries peeps! A little discord in the Ollian garden of Eden is a GOOD thing!

[sheepiefarm]

Christian is totally stressed about the fight / his diet / no sex etc.
For once I actually think Olli read it wrong - he tried too hard to be nice to Christian and it backfired on him but really it was nothing more than a couply spat where they are both right AND both wrong.



OH MY GOOD GOD - swoon, faint, pick me up off the floor and slap my face again please!!!



Is the fact that Olli looks like "Trade" in a posh coffe-shop meant to be intentional here ;D



Gah! - this pic just breaks my wee heart

I AM really curious as to why Charlie was so keen for Christian not to see Olli with this guy
Loved the fact that Miriam got a whole line AND it was funny.
And just as a side note - how big was the head on that glass of beer ;D

[tihkon2]

Here's the English Subtitled version of today's clip:




Thanks Nanna and Ivan!

[aussie54]

Thanks for the very quick sub-titling, Nanna and Tihkon!

Olli and Gregor's conversation in the bar was so fast! And yes, Sheepie, I noticed the big head on that beer. Even I can pour beer better than that!

I wonder how many takes they did. Poor Jo, he possibly felt like never seeing another beer again after that scene. ;D

[psionycx]

Okay, first off thanks to Ivan, Nanna and Tihkon. As always you guys are a fanboy's best friends!

As for Christian:

1) No shoes on the furniture!
2) No black socks with sneakers!!
3) No being bitchy at your boyfriend when he's trying to help!!!

Also, I wonder where Christian got this idea that sex depletes one's testosterone levels? Because everything I've ever heard says that men's testosterone levels get higher when they're sexually active, and lower when they're not. Hence, as Olli points out, Brazilians tend to do very well at football.

Poor Olli. Now we know why he really snapped at Olivia. This sounded like the no-sex thing has been going for a while. He must be a walking mass of frustration. If this keeps up Christian will find him in bed with Lydia!

Olli did rather look like a rentboy at Schneider's now didn't he? His "customer" was pretty tacky too. Urgh, that brown suit! The whole image was like something from a bad hustler movie from the 70's!

Not that I believe Olli's cheating. For starters I don't think that Schneider's is that much of a gay hangout that Olli managed to randomly pull a trick that quickly there. Then again, Germany is different than the U.S.

However, Christian's mind is clearly affected by this no-sex, no-food, no-loud-music regimen that he's on. Hallucinations were inevitable. That would explain the psychodelic tie Olli's trick is wearing with the horrible brown suit in Christian's hallucination. Plus Charlie's intensely yellow outfit may have caused some problems with his eyesight. I know I would have whipped out my sunglasses as soon as I saw her!

Gregor was sweet in his way today. Weird that he has a problem talking about Christian and sex with Olli considering that he wouldn't shut up about Christian having sex with girls during the "dry spell". Little unaddressed homophobia there Gregor? But he redeemed himself wonderfully warning Christian about risking his relationship with Olli. Obviously he thinks that Christian belongs with Olli (even if he doesn't want to think about them having sex).

It's actually good to see a little argument here. It wouldn't do to have C&O be a couple of gay love zombies.

Finally, it was really great to see that other people are noticing that a) Judith is a mess (good catch Gregor, and we thought you weren't paying attention) and b) Fabian is even more dull and rigid than Al Gore (Miriam gets major points for her Robo Fabian impression!).

[jsg03jd]

OKAY. MIRIAM. She has to know. Even Ollian's sense-numbing powers aren't that potent.

[nana29]

I think you guys are right, the boys maybe were to sensitive today. Though Christian was being too grumpy it didn't give him a right to snap at Olli, and Olli is way too patient!
every relationship has its up's and down's:)

Maybe the guy with Olli is a reporter or something to do with the fight and Olli is tryiing to help Christian with something to do with the fight...i don't know, I don't think he is cheating, though i am looking forward to his reaction tomorrow!

That look on Christian's face at the end, seriously you felt for the guy even though he was being sort of a jerk at the beginning.

[floatilla]

Miriam's Fabian robot dance was hysterical.....One of the highlights of the episode....and yeah....She must know...Olli was pretty much talking to the entire bar, he was not being very discreet in his frustration

[restenergy]

Now that Nanna and Tihkon have brought enlightenment to us all posted the subtitled version for us, I can comment without feeling like I'm pulling things from my you know where.

I agree with everyone that Miriam's robo-Fabian was hillarious. Maybe she isn't quite so hapless afterall. She finially got a real line, and it was a good one.

Christian and Olli were actually pretty cute in the first scene. Olli is so horny. But It seemed quite clear that Christian really doesn't want to turn Olli away. I think he's a bit frustrated too. But Olli is a supportive mate and at least presented an understanding face. That look Christian gave as Olli goes away says a great deal, I think. But still, Christian's brush off wasn't maybe the best.

When Christian comes back from working out, he's clearly more stressed and worried about the fight, and he's taking it out on Olli. Olli's trying to be encouraging and helpful. He's trying to do something special with the sushi. He's trying to look for a way to spend a little downtime with Christian before the big fight. But it's not going his way. I admire that he keeps trying, and keeps trying to be cheerful about it. But I so understand his frustration. Christian really blew it, though, with that last line about Olli sleeping in his own bed that night. What to go, Christian! I thought Jo did a wonderful job with that scene, expressing Olli's frustration but also that Olli keeps trying.

Man, how much is Olli frustrated with his Mann? He downs that whole beer in less than a minute! And while having a furious and furiously paced conversation with Gregor to boot. What's up with Gregor not wanting to hear about Olli and Christian's sex life? He certainly doesn't hide his and is otherwise very accepting of the two of them together. But it does set up very nicely his brother-brother conversation. Gregor can be a pain sometimes, but he really is a great brother to say what he does to Christian. I too don't mind that there is some friction in the Ollian relationship. It helps make it more realistic, frankly, and can make them stronger as a couple. (Not to mention that it can't be too smooth as it would spell certain and tragic doom in soap opera land.)

Having heard the conversations between Olli and Gregor, and then Gregor and Christian, I think I understand Charlie's nervousness better. No doubt Olli vented to his aunt earlier in the evening. And then seeing Olli being friendly and comfortable with another guy (no doubt remembering, too, the way in which Olli would be flirtatious before he and Christian got together) she was worried about the situation. Olli might have been no where near cheating on Christian, but I think Charlie was still concerned. At least she was concerned with the way things might be looking. Yet, I do want to grimace at her. Lying wasn't the most helpful way to deal with it.

Christian's face is even more heartbreaking when I understand the episode. Before, I wondered why he wasn't freaking out. He's certainly recalling what Gregor said. I think he'd taken it to heart. He had gotten a few DVDs and said to Charlie that he'd be waiting for Olli at home. He's trying to be a bit romantic and making things up to Olli. Now I can really say it. Poor fellow. He was taking things for granted. He was too focused on boxing and wasn't paying enough attention to Olli. And when he is awoken to the situation, he certainly doesn't want to loose it. But that look on his face! I think he's wondering if he already has blown it. Maybe he'll freak and get angry tomorrow, we'll have to wait and see. But today:

Tomorrow should be great! I think today's episode appears sets up that kiss in the ring very nicely.

[jsg03jd]

Christian's behavior in today's episode is actually a throwback to the Christian I first met when I started watching Nanna's and Medusajames's clips. Christian was moody, highly-strung, and he "never" freaked out. In a weird way, I'm glad to see those character traits still exist. Christian is still Christian except now he is Schwul and is in mit Olli verliebt! How could Olli not love his Mann? Even Gregor had to remind Olli how much of a nutjob Christian was acting during the entrance exams to Sporthochschule.

And I guess the whole IT'S GREEK TO ME in English = IT'S CHINESE TO ME auf Deutsch showed up in the convo when Christian was at his bitchiest.

Oh, but tomorrow's previews. Wow.

[lolaruns]

Just a note, it made sense to me that Olli went to vent at Gregor rather than call Christian on it. After all the whole theme of the fight was Olli being disruptive of Christian's pre-fight time, so picking an argument with him would just have led to a bigger fight rather than to Christian coming to his senses.

[mgh48]

Brilliant episode! Thanks to the Awesome, Beautiful, Brave, Noble and Wise Translation Team!

I loved every minute of it. I see both sides of the argument---understand both, agree with both. Don't, however, agree with how each other handled their stress.

Christian is venting AT Olli, not about him. He feels secure enough with him that he feels he can tell his deepest fears and show his real feelings---the good and the bad. Notice that his entire demeanor changes when he's talking with Gregor---smiling, casual---everything is alright with the world and he quickly starts in on the Rebecca saga. It's all a front. He's not revealing his real feelings, he's doing a smoke-screen job. Christian needs to be able to rely on Olli to deal with his real feelings.

Olli: had every right to feel hurt and pissed-off. He knows how Christian is and obviously how he's feeling. He could've handled the blow-up much, much better. He could've taken charge, sat Chris down---made him drink water---and tell him to let out all his angst. He could've said: Hey, babe, don't worry about you and me---or our intimate encounters (or lack thereof). I know you can't deal with that right now. What do you need me to do? Yeah, I don't like your bitching at me for no reason, but I can deal with. He could've said something like this and definitely NOT gone running to Gregor to spill it all.

Of course, the entire situation has been building for months---it may have been far too late for rational thought on either side! heheheh I did love the drama, immature though it was on both sides.

I believe we are seeing a return of the firey, tigery Christian, at last! He's not going to stand for anyone coming between him and his love! I agree this fight was a good thing for the relationship---completely believable and normal. The look on Christian's face when he sees Olli chatting over drinks with that other guy! LOL. What a wake-up slap in the face! I've no doubt Olliver is just chatting with whoever that is.

I can't wait for tomorrow!

Thanks so much for this translation, everyone! I was able to follow a lot of it, myself---even the really fast parts. My German has improved so much thanks to you all!

Geoff

PS: almost forgot! Anyone else notice how much more 'buff' Thore is looking in this episode? Mein Gott! Ok, on the handsome scale, he's neck-and-neck with Jo for me, now (pun intended ;D)

laters

[ivaniv]

I don't think Christian will act like a tiger. After what Gregor told him and what he saw, he's scared that he blew it, that it's his fault, he pushed Olli away. But from the preview we see that they made up already, maybe they even chose a Brazilian way to win that fight

[RJ]

Thank you, thank you, thank you, Ivan, Nanna & Tihkon! As usual, you all rock!

I loved this episode. Dramatic tension between our lovebirds is a good thing. Sexual dramatic tension is even better!

For a relationship that's supposed to be on the down-low, a lot of people seem to be in on the secret. Did I miss an episode where Charlie finds out about Olli and Christian being a couple? How many is that now? Judith, Olivia, Gregor, Fabian, Lydia, Sebastian, Miriam, Rebecca, and now Charlie? Probably Coco knows now as well, though she's in Goa. Perhaps Lars, Constantine and Carla too.

I also did a double-take on Christian so casually flipping his shoes off on the sofa. And the black socks worn during sports training? Are these typical German habits?

And shame on you Christian for taking the adorably cute lovable Olli for granted and treating him so shabbily. But you're super cute and lovable too, so I will forgive you (though I think you deserve a spanking ).

Jul 31, 2008 21:16:54 GMT -5 psionycx said:

Gregor was sweet in his way today. Weird that he has a problem talking about Christian and sex with Olli considering that he wouldn't shut up about Christian having sex with girls during the "dry spell". Little unaddressed homophobia there Gregor? But he redeemed himself wonderfully warning Christian about risking his relationship with Olli. Obviously he thinks that Christian belongs with Olli (even if he doesn't want to think about them having sex).

Jul 31, 2008 23:19:45 GMT -5 restenergy said:

Man, how much is Olli frustrated with his Mann? He downs that whole beer in less than a minute! And while having a furious and furiously paced conversation with Gregor to boot. What's up with Gregor not wanting to hear about Olli and Christian's sex life? He certainly doesn't hide his and is otherwise very accepting of the two of them together. But it does set up very nicely his brother-brother conversation. Gregor can be a pain sometimes, but he really is a great brother to say what he does to Christian.

Regarding Gregor's "too much information" comment, I think that line was written purely for comedic purposes. I agree that it doesn't fit Gregor's character which seems very comfortable talking about sex in general. However, since they weren't going to have Olli describe gay sex acts in detail, this was the only opportunity to sneak in a TMI line. It is a humorous bit and I'm sure it generated the expected laughs in the viewing audience.