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Post by Zathras on Mar 31, 2019 23:08:38 GMT -5
Talk about Druck, the Skam Germany remake here.
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Post by davidlondon57 on Apr 7, 2019 5:59:57 GMT -5
I enjoyed the story up to the point where the two end up in bed.
I find Matteo very cute
However, the entire scenario is so improbable, cos Matteo is a gay teenager and by definition that means he is into cock
What happens when he unzips David's pants and finds ....... A VAGINA?
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Post by kellerbrady on Apr 7, 2019 10:58:41 GMT -5
I enjoyed the story up to the point where the two end up in bed. I find Matteo very cute However, the entire scenario is so improbable, cos Matteo is a gay teenager and by definition that means he is into cock What happens when he unzips David's pants and finds ....... A VAGINA? So, I'm not following Druck because I'm just tired of watching the same story all over again. Is David trans or just the actor? Does Matteo knows David is trans? Is there any other difference in the story so far compared to the original? |
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Post by grallonsphere on Apr 7, 2019 15:11:22 GMT -5
I enjoyed the story up to the point where the two end up in bed. I find Matteo very cute However, the entire scenario is so improbable, cos Matteo is a gay teenager and by definition that means he is into cock What happens when he unzips David's pants and finds ....... A VAGINA?
Matteo is indeed super cute (or more appropriately the actor, Michaelangelo Fortuzi) - which is why I was so looking forward to his season. Then the rumors that the production crew was looking to cast a trans actor for S3 started circulating on Tumblr during the long hiatus between the first and second seasons. At first I thought it was nothing more than another one of those feverish fantasies erupting with such regularity in that place. But then it was strongly hinted at, during the 9th episode of S2, when a previously unknown guy suddenly appeared in a cameo. The rumors became reality by the end of the first episode of S3. That's when I decided to ditch Druck.
While I don't follow the show anymore, I keep seeing discussions about it on Reddit. This mysterious stranger, who turned out to be GerEven, just happened to transfer to Matteo's school - not at the beginning of their last semester, but at the very end of it, right before the final exams (what they call Abi something in Germany). Talk about shoehorning! Although to be fair, it would've been awkward in any case, considering how they decided to air S3 right after S2, during the characters' last year in high school. By comparison, the pacing of the story in OG flowed much more naturally, with each main having his/her own POV during a different semester.
That being said, Druck has been known to turn the original story on its head in the past (as a matter of fact, S2 did a brilliant job of it - credit where credit is due) and they appear to have given portions of Even's backstory to Matteo (the mental illness angle). But the fact remains that a character established since S1 as liking guys, and repeatedly shown to have an enduring crush on his male best friend, not to mention his obvious lack of interest for his girlfriend Sarah, is suddenly, out of the blue, attracted to what is a very feminine dude (the facial bone structure, the wide hips, the baggy clothes). I suppose one could chalk it up to Matteo's apparent depression.
Which brings me to the crux of the matter: Matteo's "transformation" from gay to straight. I'd rather call it a rape of his character myself. But then again, only a female activist (the director of Druck is a woman), who believes in all that gender fluidity nonsense, could come up with the absurd notion that a guy who craves dicks would make a 180 degree and starts craving vaginas instead. Still, as of last Friday (end of E4), it remains unclear whether or not the GerEven character is also trans. However, I do believe the writing is already on the wall.
Hmm... It occurs to me that this could be the female expression of a common fantasy among homosexual guys: turning a straight dude gay. Who knows? But it could also be a typical case of 'whitewashing' for ideological reasons: let's show a gay guy toss out his entire sexual identity for the 'right partner' - who happens to be a trans, the latest and most fashionable 'cause-du-jour'. Whatever the case may be, the underlying contempt for masculinity is evident here, and it is profoundly repellent I might add.
Oh well, that abortion of a season will soon end and the young actor will hopefully move on to other, worthier roles.
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Post by dusyte on Apr 8, 2019 8:12:02 GMT -5
I don't get it, why some people hate Druck so much. If you don't like it, don't watch it. For me, personally, it's the best Skam remake so far. It has OG vibe, cinematography is fantastic, soundtrack is on point, everything feels so natural. I like how they are mixing everything in this show, it's not so predictable like other remakes.I have to admit that I was sceptical of the casting choice for David's character at first. But all of my doubts disappeared when I saw first scene with Matteo and David. They have so much chemistry together and it keeps growing every single time. And now I can't help myself, I am addicted to this show to the point that I have to check fot updates few times a day. Only Skam OG was able to do this to me. And no other remake caught my eye like Druck did.
P.S. English is not my native language. So sorry for all the mistakes.
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Post by grallonsphere on Apr 8, 2019 16:56:20 GMT -5
I don't get it, why some people hate Druck so much. If you don't like it, don't watch it.
Criticizing something doesn't equate hating it; those are two separate positions. And besides, it is precisely because I like Druck (or used to), that I criticize its flaws. Regardless of S3's qualities (music, cinematography, writing, etc), the fact remains they've radically altered the main character with their choice for his love interest. This board is meant to discus gay male characters - and Matteo is no longer gay if he switches from male to female partners without bating an eyelash. At best he's bisexual - at worst he's become straight.
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Post by davidlondon57 on Apr 8, 2019 17:18:07 GMT -5
I don't get it, why some people hate Druck so much. If you don't like it, don't watch it. For me, personally, it's the best Skam remake so far. It has OG vibe, cinematography is fantastic, soundtrack is on point, everything feels so natural. I like how they are mixing everything in this show, it's not so predictable like other remakes.I have to admit that I was sceptical of the casting choice for David's character at first. But all of my doubts disappeared when I saw first scene with Matteo and David. They have so much chemistry together and it keeps growing every single time. And now I can't help myself, I am addicted to this show to the point that I have to check fot updates few times a day. Only Skam OG was able to do this to me. And no other remake caught my eye like Druck did. P.S. English is not my native language. So sorry for all the mistakes. I don't hate Druck. I liked the different way they'd done the story. And Matteo is very pleasing to the eye. As indeed was David. However, when Matteo and David finally ended up in bed I wasn't able to any longer suspend my disbelief at the situation. I haven't gone back to watch anymore. |
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Post by crissy on Apr 9, 2019 4:20:13 GMT -5
I don't get it, why some people hate Druck so much. If you don't like it, don't watch it. For me, personally, it's the best Skam remake so far. It has OG vibe, cinematography is fantastic, soundtrack is on point, everything feels so natural. I like how they are mixing everything in this show, it's not so predictable like other remakes.I have to admit that I was sceptical of the casting choice for David's character at first. But all of my doubts disappeared when I saw first scene with Matteo and David. They have so much chemistry together and it keeps growing every single time. And now I can't help myself, I am addicted to this show to the point that I have to check fot updates few times a day. Only Skam OG was able to do this to me. And no other remake caught my eye like Druck did. P.S. English is not my native language. So sorry for all the mistakes. I couldn't agree more...to me It feels really German, if that makes sense. |
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Post by morningsun7 on Apr 14, 2019 8:48:48 GMT -5
are you saying that men who don't have a penis are no longer men? many men are losing their penis over bad hygiene (over fear of being gay haha), cancer, accidents, are they no longer men ?? gay doesn't mean you like dicks, what about asexual gay men then? if you knew anything about trans men and medical transition, you'd know trans men can have dicks  (and i'm not talking surgery altho those do exist as well) (and i'm not talking about renaming body parts either) also reducing men to their dicks is pretty....weird considering we're here mostly for the romance, which is what Skam s3 is about, and it's also accepting being different and other people being different... if you just want men liking dicks, i suggest x rated websites, you'll have more luck. and if you believe a trans actor cannot play a cis character, to the point you could not supsend your disbelief, then why are you watching fiction at all? you do know the actors aren't the characters, right? if you're looking for reality tv, i have some suggestions for you as well. the bachelor has a gay version right? please, can you all keep your transphobia in your pants? that'd be great. also if you are *that* scared of vaginas...how did you survive your own birth...you do know it's not a wild scary deahtly animal right? i mean half the population on earth have them... i mean it's pretty okay not to be attracted to vaginas (but then i don't really know people who look like vaginas...)(also did you know, vaginas aren't the outside part, its the inside, the thing just before the uterus, so like...looking like a vagina would be pretty unique, if you do find someone who looks like a vagina, i'd love to meet them), it's definitely okay not to want to have any sexual activities that include someone with a vagina, but it's definitely *NOT* okay to not even think or consider those people with vaginas anything other than human beings worth being loved and having sex with. or even capable of you know that thing called acting that most actors do when in front of a camera especially when they have a script, i mean there are bad actors out there, can't deny that, but like... acting is a thing. finally something to do with this thread: www.drucktranslations.de i caught up on the show there, it has english subs (im not sure it's okay to post a link thats not official but the youtube channel is geoblocked for me and the official website is too) |
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Post by grallonsphere on Apr 14, 2019 14:42:10 GMT -5
... gay doesn't mean you like dicks, what about asexual gay men then? ... *sigh* Only someone who doesn't have the slightest clue of what it is to be a man can come up with that kind of arrant nonsense. Men are not women - and women are not men. It's not a difficult concept to grasp, just basic science.
You may want to refer to this clip - it's concise and to the point: link
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That being said, if you enjoy S3 of Druck, then by all means continue to do so. But do spare us the transphobic slurs, it's beyond tiresome.
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Post by crissy on Apr 14, 2019 15:23:01 GMT -5
are you saying that men who don't have a penis are no longer men? many men are losing their penis over bad hygiene (over fear of being gay haha), cancer, accidents, are they no longer men ?? gay doesn't mean you like dicks, what about asexual gay men then? if you knew anything about trans men and medical transition, you'd know trans men can have dicks (and i'm not talking surgery altho those do exist as well) (and i'm not talking about renaming body parts either) also reducing men to their dicks is pretty....weird considering we're here mostly for the romance, which is what Skam s3 is about, and it's also accepting being different and other people being different... if you just want men liking dicks, i suggest x rated websites, you'll have more luck. and if you believe a trans actor cannot play a cis character, to the point you could not supsend your disbelief, then why are you watching fiction at all? you do know the actors aren't the characters, right? if you're looking for reality tv, i have some suggestions for you as well. the bachelor has a gay version right? please, can you all keep your transphobia in your pants? that'd be great. also if you are *that* scared of vaginas...how did you survive your own birth...you do know it's not a wild scary deahtly animal right? i mean half the population on earth have them... i mean it's pretty okay not to be attracted to vaginas (but then i don't really know people who look like vaginas...)(also did you know, vaginas aren't the outside part, its the inside, the thing just before the uterus, so like...looking like a vagina would be pretty unique, if you do find someone who looks like a vagina, i'd love to meet them), it's definitely okay not to want to have any sexual activities that include someone with a vagina, but it's definitely *NOT* okay to not even think or consider those people with vaginas anything other than human beings worth being loved and having sex with. or even capable of you know that thing called acting that most actors do when in front of a camera especially when they have a script, i mean there are bad actors out there, can't deny that, but like... acting is a thing. finally something to do with this thread: www.drucktranslations.de i caught up on the show there, it has english subs (im not sure it's okay to post a link thats not official but the youtube channel is geoblocked for me and the official website is too) You can download a free VPN app into your mobile to watch the YouTube clips( English subtitles are not provided, though) . I use Germany VPN and it works fine. |
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Post by Zathras on Apr 15, 2019 23:31:22 GMT -5
Good grief. I don't know how anyone could think this way of discussing the show or transgender people is in any way respectful. Frankly, it boggles my mind.
So I've done some housecleaning. If necessary I will lock the thread. If the discussion isn't going to be constructive then it's not worth it.
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Post by justinate on Apr 16, 2019 5:10:49 GMT -5
I don't get it, why some people hate Druck so much. If you don't like it, don't watch it. For me, personally, it's the best Skam remake so far. It has OG vibe, cinematography is fantastic, soundtrack is on point, everything feels so natural. I like how they are mixing everything in this show, it's not so predictable like other remakes.I have to admit that I was sceptical of the casting choice for David's character at first. But all of my doubts disappeared when I saw first scene with Matteo and David. They have so much chemistry together and it keeps growing every single time. And now I can't help myself, I am addicted to this show to the point that I have to check fot updates few times a day. Only Skam OG was able to do this to me. And no other remake caught my eye like Druck did. I'm going to have to disagree that Druck is the best remake. Very strongly disagree. It's not the worst (that dubious honour is reserved for Espana) but I don't see anything special about Druck. And that's even before we talk about the bi erasure. I can't fathom how this is okay. Bisexual men are still under-represented (especially compared to bi women) yet here his erasure is being celebrated?! I've said it before but I'll say it again: for me the best remake is France - head and shoulders above the rest. Season 3 was beautifully shot (the kiss in the rain and the paint sex scenes really stand out), Axel Auriant is an incredibly engaging actor even when Lucas is being a jerk, the storyline wasn't tweaked much but where they did tweak it, it enhanced the story rather than detracted from it (which is the case with most of the remakes where they shifted the focus away from the gay characters and their romance). In fact, in that sense Skam France exceeded the OG. |
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Post by oueeep76 on Apr 16, 2019 9:38:48 GMT -5
I agree that Druck is overrated imo.Its very morose and boring and try too hard to recreate the ambiance of the og but fail miserabely and the acting is cringy except for some people.And i agree that skam france season 3 is the best remake of season 3 so far because its enternaining and that Axel is quite good and invested ,but i was not impressed because ive seen better and he didn't get the chance to really shine due to the directing choices.But the acting in skam france is quite good(one big quality) ,almost no one is a weak actor , but the directing is sometimes so sloppy and so dramactic that it can't surpasses the Og . But they managed to do some stuff better than the og like the minute by minute scene (beautiful scene ,it still haunt me),which was very very good and the acting for both of them was amazing (especially Maxence's )
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Post by dusyte on Apr 28, 2019 1:30:02 GMT -5
Wow...Druck really did IT. So glad David came out on his own terms and not because of some kind of rumors or because he was forced to. But from now on I have no idea where the story will go. It's so different at this point...don't know what to expect. And I love this show more and more with each episode.
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Post by grallonsphere on Apr 28, 2019 9:22:44 GMT -5
So it's finally official then? Matteo is heterosexual. Another gay character erased.
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Post by talldave57 on Apr 28, 2019 11:19:44 GMT -5
So it's finally official then? Matteo is heterosexual. Another gay character erased. Yes, hopeless. And the chat boards are packed with whooping trans fans joyous at this gay erasure! I've been on youtube battling against the tides of the woke. They insist David is a gay man. I am saying No she is a straight woman and has deceived Matteo. Apparently modern science has changed the millions of years of mammalian dimorphism, & we now have more than 2 sexes and you can easily change your sex! If anyone would care to join in the fight, please do help out! |
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Post by grallonsphere on Apr 28, 2019 13:50:27 GMT -5
Yes, hopeless. And the chat boards are packed with whooping trans fans joyous at this gay erasure! I've been on youtube battling against the tides of the woke. They insist David is a gay man. I am saying No she is a straight woman and has deceived Matteo. Apparently modern science has changed the millions of years of mammalian dimorphism, & we now have more than 2 sexes and you can easily change your sex! If anyone would care to join in the fight, please do help out!
You'll get banned from Youtube faster than you can spit for such 'heresy'. We're dealing with religious fanatics now. Remember Galileo, burned at the stake by the Church for demonstrating that the Earth wasn't flat. We're not far from that point now. But take courage; they may be loud and obnoxious, they may take a great deal of space on social media - but they remain a small minority.
There's a man in Vancouver who was recently put in jail by a female judge (no surprise there) for insisting that his 14yo daughter was a girl, rather than the boy she claimed to be. How many other examples of such obvious abuse do you think the majority will endure before deciding they've had enough of the whole circus? Not long I think. The same zealots who push the trans ideology are also behind the deluge of 3rd World immigration, the late abortion movement, the open hatred and racism against Caucasians, the widespread censorhip online and elsewhere, the growing number of fake hate crimes staged by the woke brigade, etc. The nazis have indeed returned - under the guise of those crazed fanatics.
But thankfully, the backlash is brewing everywhere under the surface. We just need a spark to light the whole thing up and I predict they'll provide it for us by overplaying their hand. And then, well then - we'll see what happens to this detestable rabble - won't we? My guess is that they'll collectively run straight into the wall of Reality - and it won't be pretty. Until then, they need to be exposed as often as possible.
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Post by Zathras on Apr 28, 2019 23:50:14 GMT -5
This is not the place for general political discussion. Take it elsewhere. Keep the discussion centered on the show.
I also remind you two to be respectful of others. I shouldn't have to keep saying that.
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Post by morningsun7 on Apr 29, 2019 14:55:04 GMT -5
I'm not a big fan of the show, somehow i fail to feel what they're trying to convey (but i believe the language barrier is the biggest reason), but i'm liking how this show is going. I'm not too happy that they're replacing bipolarity with transidentity BUT both need visibility and there are already many skam remakes that kept the bipoloarity. I'm really glad David came out on his own, no pressure from the outside. I can't wait to see more of it.
This is obviously important to educate on such subjects, as many do think they're better scientists than the actual scientists with actual degrees that are saying there are more than two sexes. Gender has nothing to do with biology, I'm glad people out there are learning. Learning to accept people for who they are, even if they're not accustomed to that, learning to keep their minds open, learning they do not have to understand everything to respect people.
I know Lukas Alexander said in his interview to be open and teach people who are being transphobic, but sometimes, just sometimes, you gotta ignore them and deal with them however you can. Sarcasm appears to be my coping mechanism.
Can't wait for the next episodes ! Matteo and David are super cute together! (also David?? Gorgeous, he's got those eyes!)
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Post by oueeep76 on Apr 29, 2019 15:50:26 GMT -5
I'm not a big fan of the show, somehow i fail to feel what they're trying to convey (but i believe the language barrier is the biggest reason), but i'm liking how this show is going. I'm not too happy that they're replacing bipolarity with transidentity BUT both need visibility and there are already many skam remakes that kept the bipoloarity. I'm really glad David came out on his own, no pressure from the outside. I can't wait to see more of it. This is obviously important to educate on such subjects, as many do think they're better scientists than the actual scientists with actual degrees that are saying there are more than two sexes. Gender has nothing to do with biology, I'm glad people out there are learning. Learning to accept people for who they are, even if they're not accustomed to that, learning to keep their minds open, learning they do not have to understand everything to respect people. I know Lukas Alexander said in his interview to be open and teach people who are being transphobic, but sometimes, just sometimes, you gotta ignore them and deal with them however you can. Sarcasm appears to be my coping mechanism. Can't wait for the next episodes ! Matteo and David are super cute together! (also David?? Gorgeous, he's got those eyes!) I am also not a big fan of the show but i really like David ,he seems to be more interesting to me than Matteo tbh. Also i am not as radical as some in this tread on the topic of transsexuality and i do like that they changed the story to explore more the subject of gender fluidity since gender is more of social construct than something related to biological reality .But also this story allow them to talk about sexual fluidity . You said we have to educate people on such subjects ,i agree but we have to be completely honest and use the facts and stop glorify transsexuality . Even if there were more than two sexes which is not true, its either you are born with XX chromosomes or XY and yes we have the intersex people. This is not the issue here , the issue here is that David was born with an XY chromosomes (female) but believes that he is a boy , this is actually a mental disorder and not the same as being gay and we have to tell that to the youth and stop misinformed them , with this kind of mentality , the parents with children who suffers from this disorder will think that is ok to give children the medicines at a young age and even let them go trough the big operation which is dangerous . This is absurd. |
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Post by kk on Apr 29, 2019 19:56:30 GMT -5
Please do some research using academic resources on gender dysphoria. Medline Plus has a great article on it. Otherwise, just stop. I have been a long time lurker and I signed in today because this has gotten old and I wanted you to know that it's not just the moderator that is tired of it.
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Post by Zathras on Apr 30, 2019 23:24:29 GMT -5
Thread locked until further notice.
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(and i'm not talking surgery altho those do exist as well) (and i'm not talking about renaming body parts either)
