Skam

[catcincan]

It actually hasn’t been confirmed yet that Matteo‘s love interest will be trans. There are just a bunch of people on Tumblr saying that they want a trans German Even and as this opinion spreads, people have begun to take it as fact that he will be trans. I agree that German Even shouldn’t be trans because it would likely take screen time away from Matteo’s own story. I’d be all for a trans main so that they could actually give that person‘s story the attention and care it deserves.

[grallonsphere]

Mar 9, 2019 11:29:29 GMT -5 catcincan said:

...I’d be all for a trans main so that they could actually give that person‘s story the attention and care it deserves.

Indeed. I would actually enjoy it, with an original character, not an established one.  I'm reminded of another German production on this very topic, "Romeos", released in 2011, about a girl (played by a (cute) male actor), struggling with her own gender dysphoria.

[overtherainbow]

Skam Spain posted this.

[jjose712]

When i said the painting scene was not realistic i thought it was obvious i was not talking about them painting the mural but they starting to have sex in their high school.

And second, when i said that suddenly he accepts he is gay and wants Elliot back what i wanted to say is that he accepts he is gay and suddenly wants Elliot back. He was angry with him (and has a lot of reasons to be angry with him) but the moment his friends are ok with him being gay he forget everything and want the hot boyfriend back.

As i say, in my opinion didn't worked at all

[jjose712]

And the problem with the trans character in the german version is the same that i had with the lesbian character on the american version of Skins, they take a gay male character and changed it. There were a lot of straight characters to be used for that change but they did it with the gay male character

[overtherainbow]

Now I'm reading that the Spanish version will have Cris as the main character next season, and she will be bi or gay. They will skip Noorhelm completely and also replace Lucas with a lesbian, thinking we'll be happy with that, because lesbian is gay too, right? Fucking bs. It's pissing me off. We are now losing a season which should have been dedicated to Lucas. The lesbians have plenty of representation already. There's a lesbian character on most tv shows these days and most of the LGBT movies being released are about lesbians, not gays. Skam was one of the few tv shows that had gay male representation and now that is taken away. I'm pissed. And no, having Lucas as a minor character next season while Cris is the focus is not good enough, neither is his lame ass Youtube channel. Do they think we'll be happy with that? If they do they're sorely mistaken. I'm so pissed off with this I might just boycott the show entirely.

[crissy]

Mar 10, 2019 9:49:04 GMT -5 overtherainbow said:

Now I'm reading that the Spanish version will have Cris as the main character next season, and she will be bi or gay. They will skip Noorhelm completely and also replace Lucas with a lesbian, thinking we'll be happy with that, because lesbian is gay too, right? Fucking bs. It's pissing me off. We are now losing a season which should have been dedicated to Lucas. The lesbians have plenty of representation already. There's a lesbian character on most tv shows these days and most of the LGBT movies being released are about lesbians, not gays. Skam was one of the few tv shows that had gay male representation and now that is taken away. I'm pissed. And no, having Lucas as a minor character next season while Cris is the focus is not good enough, neither is his lame ass Youtube channel. Do they think we'll be happy with that? If they do they're sorely mistaken. I'm so pissed off with this I might just boycott the show entirely.

I understand you prefer a gay main character but I don't agree with your arguments.
First of all, Skam España is trying to adapt the series in a different way...which means characters and storylines are going to be different from the original.Lucas coming out on YouTube is an example of this. We don't want to watch the same story over and over again and I' m really grateful they are trying to be original.
Secondly, it' s Nora who is replaced by Cris, not Lucas. We still don' t know which aspect of Cris' life is the story going to be focused on. Nor we know if she is bi or a lesbian. All we know is that she kissed a girl in a party..so she might be, but se need to wait to find out.
Finally, I can assure you that lesbians, and lesbian teens in particular, have not been represented as leasing roles on Spanish shows.Gay teens have( Merlí and Élite are the most recent Inés) .If they decide to do a teen lesbian story, It will be something new on Spanish tv.

[justinate]

As disheartening as the news/rumours from Spain and the Netherlands is, what happened with Skam Austin was the worst, IMO. They had the original Skam creator advising the series and the main change she advocated was to replace the gay boy with a lesbian on the only English-language adaptation of the series. It was a hard slap in the face to all English-speaking fans of Evak who had significantly contributed to the global popularity of the original Skam, hoping for the chance to watch a gay pairing without having to read subtitles. It was a massive disappointment. Don't get me wrong - I'm still grateful to the creator of Skam for reviving the fortunes of the ailing genre of teen drama and for inventing the popular Evak pairing, but she really did us dirty with the US remake.

Given how much intolerance gay men face in Latino/Catholic cultures, I am extremely skeptical that they have enjoyed more visibility on Spanish-language TV, let alone the assertion that teen lesbians will be something ground-breaking. Visibility isn't just about making appearances on a TV show, it's about the quality of that representation. You only have to look at the same-sex storylines of Aristemo on MMTMF and Valentina/Juliana on Amar a muerte, which ran concurrently. One couple had to wait until their very last episode to even share a kiss, while the other couple had scenes in bed. Guess which was which. The simple truth is that lesbians are seen as sexy and non-threatening, unlike gay male couples.

[overtherainbow]

Mar 10, 2019 11:07:31 GMT -5 crissy said:

Mar 10, 2019 9:49:04 GMT -5 overtherainbow said:

Now I'm reading that the Spanish version will have Cris as the main character next season, and she will be bi or gay. They will skip Noorhelm completely and also replace Lucas with a lesbian, thinking we'll be happy with that, because lesbian is gay too, right? Fucking bs. It's pissing me off. We are now losing a season which should have been dedicated to Lucas. The lesbians have plenty of representation already. There's a lesbian character on most tv shows these days and most of the LGBT movies being released are about lesbians, not gays. Skam was one of the few tv shows that had gay male representation and now that is taken away. I'm pissed. And no, having Lucas as a minor character next season while Cris is the focus is not good enough, neither is his lame ass Youtube channel. Do they think we'll be happy with that? If they do they're sorely mistaken. I'm so pissed off with this I might just boycott the show entirely.

I understand you prefer a gay main character but I don't agree with your arguments.
First of all, Skam España is trying to adapt the series in a different way...which means characters and storylines are going to be different from the original.Lucas coming out on YouTube is an example of this. We don't want to watch the same story over and over again and I' m really grateful they are trying to be original.
Secondly, it' s Nora who is replaced by Cris, not Lucas. We still don' t know which aspect of Cris' life is the story going to be focused on. Nor we know if she is bi or a lesbian. All we know is that she kissed a girl in a party..so she might be, but se need to wait to find out.
Finally, I can assure you that lesbians, and lesbian teens in particular, have not been represented as leasing roles on Spanish shows.Gay teens have( Merlí and Élite are the most recent Inés) .If they decide to do a teen lesbian story, It will be something new on Spanish tv.

Ok, we'll just have to agree to disagree. The fact that they're replacing the gay character with a lesbian is offensive. I'm pissed off and I will boycott the show.

[kevvoi]

Skam NL trailer (most of the video is actually from season 1, but near the minute mark it has new scenes)



Courtesy of Skam Dutch. I think the guy in the shower is the NL version of Eskild.

[grallonsphere]

Well it is now confirmed apparently. The German Evan is indeed trans. I understand it's a great opportunity for the young actor who plays Matteo, but as a viewer, I have zero interest in watching a gay character turned straight for political correctness.

EDIT:  Just for clarification: the actor chosen to portray the German Even is a trans actor.  Whether they'll depict Even as an actual trans or a regular gay guy is another matter.  It's such a pity since I really enjoy Michaelangelo Fortuzi, who plays Matteo.  Oh well.

[crissy]

Mar 10, 2019 12:33:49 GMT -5 justinate said:

As disheartening as the news/rumours from Spain and the Netherlands is, what happened with Skam Austin was the worst, IMO. They had the original Skam creator advising the series and the main change she advocated was to replace the gay boy with a lesbian on the only English-language adaptation of the series. It was a hard slap in the face to all English-speaking fans of Evak who had significantly contributed to the global popularity of the original Skam, hoping for the chance to watch a gay pairing without having to read subtitles. It was a massive disappointment. Don't get me wrong - I'm still grateful to the creator of Skam for reviving the fortunes of the ailing genre of teen drama and for inventing the popular Evak pairing, but she really did us dirty with the US remake.

Given how much intolerance gay men face in Latino/Catholic cultures, I am extremely skeptical that they have enjoyed more visibility on Spanish-language TV, let alone the assertion that teen lesbians will be something ground-breaking. Visibility isn't just about making appearances on a TV show, it's about the quality of that representation. You only have to look at the same-sex storylines of Aristemo on MMTMF and Valentina/Juliana on Amar a muerte, which ran concurrently. One couple had to wait until their very last episode to even share a kiss, while the other couple had scenes in bed. Guess which was which. The simple truth is that lesbians are seen as sexy and non-threatening, unlike gay male couples.[/quote
Well, I was writing about teen shows and the way gay and lesbian teens are portrayed in Spain, not Spanish language shows in general. Skam España is a Spanish show addressed to Spanish kids...Besides, you can't compare society's attitudes towards homesexuality in Latín American countries and in Spain.

[londondave]

Druck and Trans

Gender critical feminists and some of us gays/lesbians criticise the trans phenomenon for taking 1950s stereotypes and setting them in concrete- note how many trans 'women' present themselves as barbie doll stereotypes with massive breasts and luscious lips who adopt a 'fuck me, fuck me' pose!. For example here in the UK we have Munroe Bergdorf or in the USA we have Caitlyn Jenner.

We also criticise trans ideology for its homophobia, for the assertion by trans activists that sexual preferences that are geared towards genitals are wrong and 'transphobic'- so a gay man not wanting sex with a trans 'man', or a lesbian who refuses to have sex with a trans 'woman', is condemned for bigotry and transphobia (odd how trans activists don't condemn straight men for refusing to fuck trans 'women'!)

One of the goals of gay liberation and of the campaigns to establish gay equality,  was to reduce sex role stereoyping, so camp boys and butch girls could be free to be themselves. But trans ideology has come full circle, back to the 1950s, and now camp boys or butch girls are told they must be in the wrong bodies. We as campaigners tried to reduce sex role stereotyping but trans ideology has rejected this and gone for enforcing strict sex role stereotypes- what trans ideologists call gender. (And I won't mention here the anti-scientific bullshit trans activists come out with )

Whilst the majority of trans 'women' are heterosexual men (look up autogyniphilia), a large minority are gay.-

So, in Druck where we will have a gay boy who wants to transition into being female. This ties into the following question: how much is the desire by homosexual young men to transition due to internalised homophobia? Certainly we know that many right wing parents of religious persuasion and right wing fascist cultures like Iran, prefer gay boys to transition to being female, cos rather bizarrely, these parents, and regimes, prefer their sons to be mutilated eunuchs in a dress, rather than being balanced happy homosexuals.

So, if the Evan character in Druck turns out to be trans because of his internalised homophobia - think of the mental illness that the Evan characters across all the versions of Skam suffer from, (and yes gender dysphoria is mental illness by definition) - and if the tv show illustrates the homophobia causing the character to want to be a girl rather than gay, then it will be a good thing.

Therefore if the trans character in Druck is handled well it could be an interesting piece of drama, dealing with homophobia in a new and novel way .

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[mizuryuu]

My question is why is it all the remakes feels like the best season to make changes to is S3? I don't see them changing S2 William character to trans or lesbian or any number of things. Why is it always the Isak storyline? There is Drunk and Espana (would they even have a Lucas R season when he is already out? Or would his story now happen in the background?) and Austin (with lesbian Shay). That is HALF of the remakes!

[londondave]

Mar 11, 2019 12:15:34 GMT -5 mizuryuu said:

My question is why is it all the remakes feels like the best season to make changes to is S3? I don't see them changing S2 William character to trans or lesbian or any number of things. Why is it always the Isak storyline? There is Drunk and Espana (would they even have a Lucas R season when he is already out? Or would his story now happen in the background?) and Austin (with lesbian Shay).

I think we all agree with this.

It's cos gays and lesbians are considered minority interest to the TV producers and managers, so our stories are expendable. 

I suggest barraging the producers of the shows with angry tweets and emails. I have done this, with both the bullshit religious comments about islam being super-friendly to gays. And for the gay character in Druck being replaced with a trans.

But the problem is the majority of tweeters who love the various iterations of Skam are straight girls from all over the world who get wet knickers at the sight of two naked boys rolling around on a bed- so for them it's light porn. 

[grallonsphere]

Mar 11, 2019 12:17:20 GMT -5 londondave said:

... But the problem is the majority of tweeters who love the various iterations of Skam are girls from all over the world who get wet knickers at the sight of two naked boys rolling around on a bed- so for them it's light porn. 

Tell me about it.  I've been told several times now to 'kindly get the f@ck off' the SKAM subreddit where I usually discuss such things.  For the crime of voicing my disappointment about the whole Druck situation.  But this goes beyond 'wet dreams' and fetichism obviously.  It's ideologically driven. 

The compulsive need for representation, coupled with the cult of victimhood, puts transgenderism on top of the pyramid at the moment, especially in this case, since the actor who will portray Even is also a POC (Turkish I think).  Naturally, everyone who retweet/propagate/virtue-signal about it get brownie points, a Like, a Thumbs Up.  And for those who have been conditioned to seek out such rewards, anything that threatens the reward is immediately met with hostility.  For instance, I've also been accused of being a raging transphobe.  The ad hominem attacks are, as you can expect, the immediate response and direct corollary of the indoctrination they suffer from.

So, in light of all this, the most rational response is to simply refuse to engage them.  There's not much difference between these people and religious fanatics after all.

[londondave]

grallonsphere can you post the links to this sub reddit you mention?

I think my fave comment from a virtue signaller on one of the Scam France twitter threads is this one!

"i don't understand why people so against trans even?? if you're here only to watch 2 boys fucking each other just go watch gay porn smh #druck"

I replied thus:

"The issue here is not hard to understand!

"Pay attention: Deleting 1 of only 2 gay characters is not progressive, it's tokenistic & reactionary & homophobic

A trans story would be interesting but why delete 1 of only 2 gays out of a cast of over 20?  Delete a straight character!"


I got no reply! But some have retweeted my comment

[grallonsphere]

Mar 11, 2019 13:22:11 GMT -5 londondave said:

grallonsphere can you post the links to this sub reddit you mention?

www.reddit.com/r/skam/

The place is turning into an adjunct of Tumblr - so you can imagine the type of crowd...

EDIT:  Well, it went downhill fast; check for yourself:  https://www.reddit.com/r/skam/comments/azzj31/whats_with_the_mod_team/

[kevvoi]

I missed it - but Skam Italy started season 3 this week as well (https://sites.google.com/view/skamsubita/skam-italia?authuser=0). It is doing the Noora (their Eleonora) storyline.

[kellerbrady]

Mar 11, 2019 8:23:36 GMT -5 grallonsphere said:

I have zero interest in watching a gay character turned straight for political correctness.

Yikes. How can you complain about homophobia why saying transphobic shit like that?

[grallonsphere]

Mar 12, 2019 19:30:07 GMT -5 kellerbrady said:

Yikes. How can you complain about homophobia why saying transphobic shit like that?

And how exactly is this 'transphobic'?  The Isak character (Matteo), established as gay ever since season 1, is suddenly shown, out of the blue, to be attracted to a girl.   What else can he be *but* straight?

Although, to be fair, we still don't know how the trans actor chosen to play Even in Druck will portray his own character.  It could be s(he) will play the character as it was first conceived.  In which case the choice of such an actor is nothing more than virtue signaling.  However, if it's indeed revealed that the German Even not only suffers from bipolar disorder but is also a fake boy, then Matteo will have effectively been turned straight.  Therefore, once again, I'm asking you: how is this 'transphobic'?

[HQ75]

The rules of discussion that have guided this forum for most of the 11 years I have participated here have apparently been completely ignored in the Skam thread either because folks have not read them or do not care. There also appears to be NO moderation.

[uranian]

This is a good discussion and I want to see both sides put out their thinking. 

[londondave]

Mar 12, 2019 22:18:35 GMT -5 HQ75 said:

The rules of discussion that have guided this forum for most of the 11 years I have participated here have apparently been completely ignored in the Skam thread either because folks have not read them or do not care. There also appears to be NO moderation.

hq75- I am not sure what your point is here.  

Are you saying you're complaining and that we are about to be descended upon by the heavy boots of the blue haired Social Justice Warrior moderators and all discussion about religion and homophobia and trans/homophobia is to be banned?

That would fit the general trend of ALL gay and lesbian media and organisations which have been taken over by trans and their fans and where any critical discussion of these issues is immediately stopped and people banned and thrown off discussion threads.

[kellerbrady]

Mar 12, 2019 20:36:47 GMT -5 grallonsphere said:

Mar 12, 2019 19:30:07 GMT -5 kellerbrady said:

Yikes. How can you complain about homophobia why saying transphobic shit like that?

And how exactly is this 'transphobic'?  The Isak character (Matteo), established as gay ever since season 1, is suddenly shown, out of the blue, to be attracted to a girl.   What else can he be *but* straight?

Although, to be fair, we still don't know how the trans actor chosen to play Even in Druck will portray his own character.  It could be s(he) will play the character as it was first conceived.  In which case the choice of such an actor is nothing more than virtue signaling.  However, if it's indeed revealed that the German Even not only suffers from bipolar disorder but is also a fake boy, then Matteo will have effectively been turned straight.  Therefore, once again, I'm asking you: how is this 'transphobic'?

He's not a "girl", or "fake boy". Trans men are men. And please read what you are writting. I'm sure homophobic people were just as outraged as Isak and Even having a sesaon. Nothing more than virtue signaling, right? Only girls had seasons so far and the series focused on the girl group, but suddenly they had to do a gay season just for "virtue signaling" and change the format by focusing on the boys.