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Post by kevvoi on Dec 31, 2021 9:11:52 GMT -5
New clip courtesy of Anthony:
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Post by kevvoi on Dec 31, 2021 14:05:17 GMT -5
Another new clip courtesy of Anthony:
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Post by kevvoi on Jan 1, 2022 19:45:14 GMT -5
Anthony reposted part 3:
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Post by kevvoi on Jan 5, 2022 8:15:58 GMT -5
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Post by kevvoi on Jan 5, 2022 21:30:50 GMT -5
Next part courtesy of Anthony:
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Post by justinate on Jan 11, 2022 22:49:15 GMT -5
I haven't watched the end of Retribution yet but if social media is any indication, they killed off Curtis |
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Post by kevvoi on Jan 12, 2022 7:43:31 GMT -5
Part 6 of Retribution courtesy of Anthony:
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Post by justinate on Jan 17, 2022 2:17:40 GMT -5
I just saw the 2022 promo below. Looks like: Jack's hot-but-dirty cop follows him to Ferndale (uh, why would you give up your Christchurch job to stalk the guy whose brother you just killed?) But they do look to have a steamy scene so that's nice. Meanwhile Curtis and Tess have both been killed off, and it looks like Louis will be Dawn's next boy toy. I support this if it means naked screentime for Louis. http://instagram.com/p/CY0pDg9JCgO |
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Post by mrfixit477 on Jan 17, 2022 16:31:36 GMT -5
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Post by justinate on Jan 18, 2022 13:27:13 GMT -5
It seems the funerals for Curtis and Tess/Megan are tomorrow. Jack will be back onscreen, and appears in a couple of spoilers for this Friday and next Monday. Wednesday 19 January - Esther is forced to face grief. (This is presumably at Curtis's funeral.)
Friday 21 January - Jack defends his name.
Monday 24 January - Jack battles his demons. (Hopefully not another addiction storyline?) |
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Post by kevvoi on Jan 20, 2022 8:43:42 GMT -5
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Post by kevvoi on Jan 20, 2022 12:26:50 GMT -5
2 more clips courtesy of Anthony:
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Post by kevvoi on Jan 21, 2022 9:08:44 GMT -5
Next part courtesy of Anthony:
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Post by dylan on Jan 24, 2022 17:26:56 GMT -5
I'm beyond confused. Didn't Esther and Jack witness Hamish shooting Curtis? Why is Jack saying that Hamish is "one of the good ones"?
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Post by justinate on Jan 24, 2022 20:52:02 GMT -5
I'm beyond confused. Didn't Esther and Jack witness Hamish shooting Curtis? Why is Jack saying that Hamish is "one of the good ones"? Curtis was shot by the gang member in front of Esther and Jack, not by Hamish. Hamish shot dead the gang member. So to Jack and Esther, it appears Hamish is the good guy who put down the gangster who killed Curtis. But right before they arrived, Hamish passed the gang member a different gun (not his police gun). So Esther and Jack do not know that Hamish is a dirty cop or that he enabled Curtis's killing. |
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Post by kevvoi on Jan 25, 2022 8:23:26 GMT -5
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Post by dylan on Jan 25, 2022 12:24:28 GMT -5
I'm beyond confused. Didn't Esther and Jack witness Hamish shooting Curtis? Why is Jack saying that Hamish is "one of the good ones"? Curtis was shot by the gang member in front of Esther and Jack, not by Hamish. Hamish shot dead the gang member. So to Jack and Esther, it appears Hamish is the good guy who put down the gangster who killed Curtis. But right before they arrived, Hamish passed the gang member a different gun (not his police gun). So Esther and Jack do not know that Hamish is a dirty cop or that he enabled Curtis's killing. Oh I totally missed that. But mainly I just didn't understand why the police were so obsessed with going after Curtis - was it because he shot that cop at the beginning? I know that in the end the cops were corrupted, but weren't they the ones who assigned Curtis to the case? And surely they must have had a direct line to contact Curtis somehow? Something just didn't add up for me. Anyway maybe I wasn't paying enough attention because everything seemed so clunky, contrived and rushed (and somehow boring). I also thought they might portray some of the gang members in a more sympathetic light, which could have been interesting, but instead they were all pretty vile (and there was little character development). |
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Post by justinate on Jan 26, 2022 20:00:45 GMT -5
Oh I totally missed that. But mainly I just didn't understand why the police were so obsessed with going after Curtis - was it because he shot that cop at the beginning? I know that in the end the cops were corrupted, but weren't they the ones who assigned Curtis to the case? And surely they must have had a direct line to contact Curtis somehow? Something just didn't add up for me. Anyway maybe I wasn't paying enough attention because everything seemed so clunky, contrived and rushed (and somehow boring). I also thought they might portray some of the gang members in a more sympathetic light, which could have been interesting, but instead they were all pretty vile (and there was little character development). Yeah I don't understand why Hamish didn't just tip the gang off from the start that Curtis was an undercover cop, before they let him into a position of trust within the gang. I assume it is because Curtis shot another cop that the police don't care about clearing his name - they probably assume he intended to do it. Remember, he was supposed to be a bad boy who made good, and to an outsider, that may seem like it was all a smokeshow. I'm curious to see how things shape up with Hamish, although I do feel bad for Jack getting involved with him and inadvertently being the one who led Hamish (and the gang) to Curtis, resulting in the latter's death. I hope that particular reveal won't be Jack's exit storyline. |
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Post by kevvoi on Jan 29, 2022 13:47:32 GMT -5
New clips courtesy of Anthony:
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Post by anthonyl on Jan 29, 2022 15:34:56 GMT -5
The messier Tom's hair is, the hotter he gets. Speaking of messy hair, those scenes of Louis in the knight's armor were pretty hot. I loved Damo saying: is the codpiece too tight, I've got an extra large somewhere around here.
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Post by justinate on Jan 29, 2022 22:15:23 GMT -5
Well, I'd have preferred him out of the armour, but I know better than to hope for that. Seriously, it's summer in NZ, everyone is way too dressed up. Am I the only one who thinks Louis is going to end up with Dawn?
I can only roll my eyes at the infuriating trope of adding new characters and/or destroying existing ones just to prop up the flavour of the week. They have really gone full-court press on trying to make Tom happen. I get it - he's played by Mattias Inwood. But why, then, did they go and make him so awful at the outset? And now they want us to ignore all that happened before and have Jack, of all people, become his friend and defender??? Bad enough Jack thinks his bed-buddy in Christchurch is a good cop rather than one who was complicit in his brother's murder; now he has to befriend Tom who got him intoxicated, instigated all kinds of schemes against him, and directly contributed to Jack's love interest becoming a druggie who got packed off to rehab?
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Post by anthonyl on Jan 30, 2022 4:13:40 GMT -5
If you’ve seen the preview clip Louis and Dawn are definitely where this is going.
As for Tom, he did some bad things, but the character that did those things isn’t who he is now and we’ve seen on screen why Tom is the way he is. And he doesn’t want to be that person anymore. He wants to be better. Or at least different. I don’t think Tom was that bad relative to things soap characters usually do, but my feeling is in some viewers eyes because he did them to a gay character(s) it makes that much more egregious. But that’s just my opinion and how I feel. I personally loved Tom’s ‘dark’ stint and thought it was fun to see him mix things up. What’s interesting is that Jack doesn’t know everything Tom did to undermine him. I wonder if the show will address it, but much like Rico, it’ll be something they just don’t talk about. Or they’ll have Tom/Jack begin to bond and then Jack learns of some of Tom’s other sins, creating a conflict between them.
As for Rico he knew he who Tom was, but he kept hoping against hope. He let himself be made a fool of and let himself be played. Sure Tom was a jerk, but Rico let it happen. I think at the end Rico said he needed take responsibility for his own actions and not blame Tom for everything and I agree.
I think Tom and Jack will become more than friends. Again, my opinion, but it seems like that’s where it’s headed.
I do find it VERY problematic how Maeve just hand waves Tom attacking his mother.
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Post by kevvoi on Jan 31, 2022 7:08:21 GMT -5
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Post by justinate on Jan 31, 2022 7:55:01 GMT -5
If you’ve seen the preview clip Louis and Dawn are definitely where this is going. As for Tom, he did some bad things, but the character that did those things isn’t who he is now and we’ve seen on screen why Tom is the way he is. And he doesn’t want to be that person anymore. He wants to be better. Or at least different. I don’t think Tom was that bad relative to things soap characters usually do, but my feeling is in some viewers eyes because he did them to a gay character(s) it makes that much more egregious. But that’s just my opinion and how I feel. I personally loved Tom’s ‘dark’ stint and thought it was fun to see him mix things up. What’s interesting is that Jack doesn’t know everything Tom did to undermine him. I wonder if the show will address it, but much like Rico, it’ll be something they just don’t talk about. Or they’ll have Tom/Jack begin to bond and then Jack learns of some of Tom’s other sins, creating a conflict between them. As for Rico he knew he who Tom was, but he kept hoping against hope. He let himself be made a fool of and let himself be played. Sure Tom was a jerk, but Rico let it happen. I think at the end Rico said he needed take responsibility for his own actions and not blame Tom for everything and I agree. I think Tom and Jack will become more than friends. Again, my opinion, but it seems like that’s where it’s headed. I do find it VERY problematic how Maeve just hand waves Tom attacking his mother. For me the problem is that the show is still keeping everyone in the dark about the many nasty things Tom did, and making him out to be the victim. Maybe, as you say, they are saving the full exposure of his misdeeds for later, after he has bonded with Jack, when it will have the maximum impact. There was speculation/rumour that Rico's story abruptly ended with the actor's firing because the show was getting a negative reaction to his story with Tom. Given that Tom was manipulating Rico throughout the story, driving a wedge between him and his true friends, for Tom's gain, it left a foul taste in my mouth that the gay Maori got axed while the straight white guy got all his misdeeds handwaved and embarked on a redemption arc that, quite frankly, was rather unbelievable. Maybe the show thought we had forgotten how badly Tom treated Tess in their early encounters. I'm skeptical about Tom/Jack becoming an item down the line; I would've thought Mack (Marty + Jack) was a more likely pairing. But perhaps there would be too little conflict in them getting together since Marty is such a nice guy (but one might reasonably argue that's exactly what Jack needs - even deserves - after all this grief). Honestly, every female character on this show embraces lesbianism without batting an eyelid (Dawn and Samira being the latest two) but we're up to two guys on canvas who've categorically denied any and all same-sex attraction. It's time they balanced the scales a bit. Oddly enough, although I find Maeve overbearing, she's one of the characters whose moral positions I agree with most often. And in this case, I think you have to remember that Maeve knows, from years of experience, how Tom's mother operates. So while she would never condone male violence against women, she also has a very good idea of how Tom was pushed to the brink. For a MOTHER to manipulate her grieving widower son, who just violently lost his wife on his wedding day, all just to get her grubby paws on an orphaned toddler's inheritance, is horribly vile. Under normal circumstances, you'd disown a mother like that, but with Tom heavily drunk and practically crazed with grief, he turned physical. I expect that's why Maeve isn't giving him as hard a time as she might otherwise. |
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Post by carld2 on Jan 31, 2022 20:53:32 GMT -5
The Tom and Maeve dynamics are very interesting. The scenes last year where he was in his hospital bed and they had the ugly argument where she accused him of going after Tess for Chris' money and he pledged to cut her out of his life was where the guy who plays Tom really stepped up. I am trying to get over the Tom and Jack stuff, justinate has already said all of this better than I can, but him accusing Jack of sexually harassing/touching him is something that is in my head any time they are together, partly because, as mentioned, that element was completely dropped. |
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