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Post by phoenix-feather on Aug 12, 2011 23:30:39 GMT -5
I thought Christian lost his right to speak, since he cheated on Olli, no? I'm assuming that's sarcasm
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Post by blaykee on Aug 12, 2011 23:33:21 GMT -5
I thought Christian lost his right to speak, since he cheated on Olli, no? I'm assuming that's sarcasm You're assumption is right, but it can't go both ways. Some are saying he lost the right to talk to Olli, and in the next breath they want him to proclaim how much he misses him. And I thought Olli was tired of hearing himself bring up the cheating. He should listen to his own words.
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Post by angelarose on Aug 12, 2011 23:53:22 GMT -5
phoenix, you are a doll. I completlely agree with you. me too me three.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2011 0:24:10 GMT -5
I think it was unfair for Olli to say, both of us do not want to get back together, so its pointless. I was like what? , you are the one who has always said "No" and wanted a separation, and gave Christian's things back. Christian asked for forgiveness, tried to reach you, you didnt want anything with him. Yes he cheated and all, but that doesnt mean he doesnt want to get back together with you, and if he is with Theresa, its because you kept pushing him away :/and this is the basic point that many of us see very differently You can't force anyone to have an affair just because you kept pushing him away ( and we all know very well , why Olli kept pushing Christian away ) , it' always a decision of each one how will react in such a situation , so that Christian started his thing with Theresa and still continues his thing with Theresa is nothing but his own decision. btw . great post Lady Armand
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Post by phoenix-feather on Aug 13, 2011 0:28:17 GMT -5
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Post by lolaruns on Aug 13, 2011 0:37:26 GMT -5
I'm assuming that's sarcasm You're assumption is right, but it can't go both ways. Some are saying he lost the right to talk to Olli, and in the next breath they want him to proclaim how much he misses him. And I thought Olli was tired of hearing himself bring up the cheating. He should listen to his own words. I don't know what the exact context is, but I for one always said that Chrisitan needed to proclaim his love regardless of Olli hears it will listen to it: 1.) So at least the audience will know/see it and be touched by it even when Olli isn't 2.) So he can prove that he is past/better than that lame "I will only do something if I get insurance that I will be successful" thing The problem is that the more we keep piling on that this is "who Christian is" and that it's in character and that he will never change, the more unfit he becomes as a character. This is a soap. A soap lives on characters showing emotion and proactively pursuing things. You can't just be a big passive lump of rock in the middle of a puddle. This makes you useless and unfit to ever carry a story. It makes you the black hole of everything around you. And I for one want better for Christian the character and Thore the actor and Olli the character.
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Post by gabyta07 on Aug 13, 2011 0:42:36 GMT -5
I think it was unfair for Olli to say, both of us do not want to get back together, so its pointless. I was like what? , you are the one who has always said "No" and wanted a separation, and gave Christian's things back. Christian asked for forgiveness, tried to reach you, you didnt want anything with him. Yes he cheated and all, but that doesnt mean he doesnt want to get back together with you, and if he is with Theresa, its because you kept pushing him away :/and this is the basic point that many of us see very differently You can't force anyone to have an affair just because you kept pushing him away ( and we all know very well , why Olli kept pushing Christian away ) , it' always a decision of each one how will react in such a situation , so that Christian started his thing with Theresa and still continues his thing with Theresa is nothing but his own decision. btw . great post Lady Armand Well if one keeps pushing me away, I will inmediately realize that, that person doesnt want anything with me, so why I wouldnt start something new with someone, and move on, since its obvious that person doesnt want me anymore. I really dont understand why Christian would have to wait, even if he loves that person, since that person doesnt want anything to do with him. Maybe my personality and Christian's are kind of similar, and is easier for me to see his point....
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Post by blaykee on Aug 13, 2011 0:43:40 GMT -5
You're assumption is right, but it can't go both ways. Some are saying he lost the right to talk to Olli, and in the next breath they want him to proclaim how much he misses him. And I thought Olli was tired of hearing himself bring up the cheating. He should listen to his own words. I don't know what the exact context is, but I for one always said that Chrisitan needed to proclaim his love regardless of Olli hears it will listen to it: 1.) So at least the audience will know/see it and be touched by it even when Olli isn't 2.) So he can prove that he is past/better that lame "I will only do something if I get insurance that I will be successful" thing The problem is that the more we keep piling on that this is "who Christian is" and that it's in character and that he will never change, the more unfit he becomes as a character. This is a soap. A soap lives on characters showing emotion and proactively pursuing things. You can't just be a big passive lump of rock in the middle of a puddle. This makes you useless and unfit to ever carry a story. It makes you the black hole of everything around you. And I for one want better for Christian the character and Thore the actor and Olli the character. Of course I, too, want the same for Christian the character and Thore the actor, but for now they clearly don't want the audience to "hear" what he is feeling. why is that? I don't know. Hopefully we will get to see the bigger picture someday.
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Post by Trish on Aug 13, 2011 0:49:17 GMT -5
You're assumption is right, but it can't go both ways. Some are saying he lost the right to talk to Olli, and in the next breath they want him to proclaim how much he misses him. And I thought Olli was tired of hearing himself bring up the cheating. He should listen to his own words. I don't know what the exact context is, but I for one always said that Chrisitan needed to proclaim his love regardless of Olli hears it will listen to it: 1.) So at least the audience will know/see it and be touched by it even when Olli isn't 2.) So he can prove that he is past/better than that lame "I will only do something if I get insurance that I will be successful" thing The problem is that the more we keep piling on that this is "who Christian is" and that it's in character and that he will never change, the more unfit he becomes as a character. This is a soap. A soap lives on characters showing emotion and proactively pursuing things. You can't just be a big passive lump of rock in the middle of a puddle. This makes you useless and unfit to ever carry a story. It makes you the black hole of everything around you. And I for one want better for Christian the character and Thore the actor and Olli the character. I do too, but this soap loves it's black holes. I was talking about it the other day how things don't really happen. You talk about blackholes, look at Helena. She's carrying this burden. Yeah she talks to her father and tried to confess, but for the most part, she does nothing, just go around looking all sad. The writers are choosing to not show Christian's emotions verball. Are they building to some big event that will cause everything to come flowing out. I'm not sure. We are seeing this s/l from Olli prosepctive. Things happen and Christian kind of reacts to it. We might have gotten something, when Christian found out that the guy was with Olli an dnot Jessica, but the writers saw fit to cut that short and give us antoehr Jessica comedy act. It's frustrating, but I for one do see Christian's hurt and I hope at some point he will verbalize it like Olli did today.
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Post by gelybi on Aug 13, 2011 0:49:47 GMT -5
So we are supposed to believe that just because we were shown Christian punching a bag a few times that he misses the intensity of his relationship with Olli. We’re supposed to glean through osmoses that he misses Olli because he gave him puppy dog eyes. We’re supposed to take all of these so called visual cues to mean that he misses Olli’s intensity so much that he has to jump into bed with the first female that smiles at him. And not just once, not just twice, but an on going affair. I don’t know about anyone else, but I don’t want anyone to miss my intensity that much. When Christian was sick and went off with his brother to the woods he was a miserable mess and he articulated rather clearly that he was miserable because he missed Olli. He didn’t go punch a tree or throw a rock into the water or go yell at a mountain, he actually used those simple things called words and told his brother and us how important Olli was to him and how much he missed him. And then he did the damnest thing. He actually left his brother in the woods went home and told Olli that he loved and missed him. I only mention this because all this silent strong type people keep harping about when it comes to Christian is bullshit. When he wants to tell Olli anything he does. When he wants to keep his mouth shut he does. Christian want Olli to forgive him but on his terms. He wants to be with Olli again on his terms. He’d not actually willing to put in the work it takes to gain said forgiveness. He has done nothing to show Olli he is sorry, or miserable. What he has shown Olli is that while he keeps saying he’s gay and loves him he’s still sleeping with a woman. What he has shown Olli is that he has no regard for his feelings by flaunting the “jockey bitch” in his face, every chance he gets. Then he has to nerve, the unmitigated gall to say word one about Olli’s preferences. Well, hell Christian you should know what Olli’s preferences are, you used to be one. And could be again if your get your own head out of your ass for two seconds. And while Olli is certainly no saint in all of this and needs to own up to his share of the blame. Him being and doing something stupid out of grief does not mean in any way shape or form that he deserved to be cheated on. After three and a half years, Christian owed him more than that. I can understand Christian being pissed. I can understand him going out and knocking back a few and maybe not coming home and letting Olli stew in his own juices a little. But to cheat on his husband because of what happened was uncalled for. And then to basically demand forgiveness showed a level of assholeishness I didn’t think him capable of. He wants to be forgiven but only with addendums, provisos and guarantees. What kind of bullshit is that? He want to continue seeing who he wants to continue seeing while at the same time being able to stick his unwanted nose in Olli’s now private life (which by his own past and continued actions) he is no longer apart of (at present). Olli most likely would not have seen him and the shrimp from hell has Christian not made a concerted effort to put himself in Olli’s way, so he could then get snarky. What did he not think Olli would point out that kettle was calling the pot black? And Charlie just needs to shut up now. We get it she is pro Chrolli. But only lectures one side of the equation. Oh if only Olli would forgive Christian he’d stop slipping his sausage in her bun and be a good boy. Yeah, right. And I’ve got a bridge in Brooklyn I can sell you really cheap. This is the best post I've read in months. Where's a thumbs up button when you really need one? Thanks Lady Armand, your posts are always great but with this one I feel each and every word as mine.
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Post by phoenix-feather on Aug 13, 2011 0:51:19 GMT -5
You're assumption is right, but it can't go both ways. Some are saying he lost the right to talk to Olli, and in the next breath they want him to proclaim how much he misses him. And I thought Olli was tired of hearing himself bring up the cheating. He should listen to his own words. I don't know what the exact context is, but I for one always said that Chrisitan needed to proclaim his love regardless of Olli hears it will listen to it: 1.) So at least the audience will know/see it and be touched by it even when Olli isn't 2.) So he can prove that he is past/better than that lame "I will only do something if I get insurance that I will be successful" thing The problem is that the more we keep piling on that this is "who Christian is" and that it's in character and that he will never change, the more unfit he becomes as a character. This is a soap. A soap lives on characters showing emotion and proactively pursuing things. You can't just be a big passive lump of rock in the middle of a puddle. This makes you useless and unfit to ever carry a story. It makes you the black hole of everything around you. And I for one want better for Christian the character and Thore the actor and Olli the character. that's true, initially I tried defending VL by interpreting Christian's silence/boxing/weird incomprehensible expressions as 'in-character' and 'subtle work'.... they better have a plan with it, coz I refuse to buy that it didn't even 'occur' to the writers to give Christian some scenes where he is reflecting on his actions.nobody can be that thick..... but I've come to a realization that VL doesn't do subtle and if we happen to get subtle hints they are probably not intended by VL, it's just us reading too much into stuff as obsessed fans.... however, I'll make an exception and give VL credit for handling last night's episode pretty well, at least when it came to Olli's lines, they were not completely outrageous, even if he's only fooling himself.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2011 0:56:42 GMT -5
and this is the basic point that many of us see very differently You can't force anyone to have an affair just because you kept pushing him away ( and we all know very well , why Olli kept pushing Christian away ) , it' always a decision of each one how will react in such a situation , so that Christian started his thing with Theresa and still continues his thing with Theresa is nothing but his own decision. btw . great post Lady Armand Well if one keeps pushing me away, I will inmediately realize that, that person doesnt want anything with me, so why I wouldnt start something new with someone, and move on, since its obvious that person doesnt want me anymore.I really dont understand why Christian would have to wait, even if he loves that person, since that person doesnt want anything to do with him. Maybe my personality and Christian's are kind of similar, and is easier for me to see his point.... .. but what this say about a man who claimed he loves me so much ..that I'm probably not so important and worth to him for trying to change my mind. well, like I said .. it's a matter of choice
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Post by blaykee on Aug 13, 2011 1:03:00 GMT -5
But if we take it as VL has a certain way of writing things, a prescription if you will, that leaves no wiggle room. You're basically saying it's black and white. But art (and this is a form of art) is meant to be interpreted. For instance take the Raphael scenes. Some saw chemistry between him and Olli, some didn't. Are either of us right? no. It's left up to the viewer to decide. If everything was so black and white we wouldnt have all these different views and it would be somewhat boring, at least for me. I surely wouldn't be up at 11 pm debating about fictional characters if it was.
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Post by mariesun on Aug 13, 2011 1:05:22 GMT -5
So we are supposed to believe that just because we were shown Christian punching a bag a few times that he misses the intensity of his relationship with Olli. We’re supposed to glean through osmoses that he misses Olli because he gave him puppy dog eyes. We’re supposed to take all of these so called visual cues to mean that he misses Olli’s intensity so much that he has to jump into bed with the first female that smiles at him. And not just once, not just twice, but an on going affair. I don’t know about anyone else, but I don’t want anyone to miss my intensity that much. When Christian was sick and went off with his brother to the woods he was a miserable mess and he articulated rather clearly that he was miserable because he missed Olli. He didn’t go punch a tree or throw a rock into the water or go yell at a mountain, he actually used those simple things called words and told his brother and us how important Olli was to him and how much he missed him. And then he did the damnest thing. He actually left his brother in the woods went home and told Olli that he loved and missed him. I only mention this because all this silent strong type people keep harping about when it comes to Christian is bullshit. When he wants to tell Olli anything he does. When he wants to keep his mouth shut he does. Christian want Olli to forgive him but on his terms. He wants to be with Olli again on his terms. He’d not actually willing to put in the work it takes to gain said forgiveness. He has done nothing to show Olli he is sorry, or miserable. What he has shown Olli is that while he keeps saying he’s gay and loves him he’s still sleeping with a woman. What he has shown Olli is that he has no regard for his feelings by flaunting the “jockey bitch” in his face, every chance he gets. Then he has to nerve, the unmitigated gall to say word one about Olli’s preferences. Well, hell Christian you should know what Olli’s preferences are, you used to be one. And could be again if your get your own head out of your ass for two seconds. And while Olli is certainly no saint in all of this and needs to own up to his share of the blame. Him being and doing something stupid out of grief does not mean in any way shape or form that he deserved to be cheated on. After three and a half years, Christian owed him more than that. I can understand Christian being pissed. I can understand him going out and knocking back a few and maybe not coming home and letting Olli stew in his own juices a little. But to cheat on his husband because of what happened was uncalled for. And then to basically demand forgiveness showed a level of assholeishness I didn’t think him capable of. He wants to be forgiven but only with addendums, provisos and guarantees. What kind of bullshit is that? He want to continue seeing who he wants to continue seeing while at the same time being able to stick his unwanted nose in Olli’s now private life (which by his own past and continued actions) he is no longer apart of (at present). Olli most likely would not have seen him and the shrimp from hell has Christian not made a concerted effort to put himself in Olli’s way, so he could then get snarky. What did he not think Olli would point out that kettle was calling the pot black? And Charlie just needs to shut up now. We get it she is pro Chrolli. But only lectures one side of the equation. Oh if only Olli would forgive Christian he’d stop slipping his sausage in her bun and be a good boy. Yeah, right. And I’ve got a bridge in Brooklyn I can sell you really cheap. This is the best post I've read in months. Where's a thumbs up button when you really need one?
Thanks Lady Armand, your posts are always great but with this one I feel each and every word as mine. AGREE @ gelybi Thanks Lady Armand
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Post by gabyta07 on Aug 13, 2011 1:07:35 GMT -5
Well if one keeps pushing me away, I will inmediately realize that, that person doesnt want anything with me, so why I wouldnt start something new with someone, and move on, since its obvious that person doesnt want me anymore.I really dont understand why Christian would have to wait, even if he loves that person, since that person doesnt want anything to do with him. Maybe my personality and Christian's are kind of similar, and is easier for me to see his point.... .. but what this say about a man who claimed he loves me so much ..that I'm probably not so important and worth to him for trying to change my mind. well, like I said .. it's a matter of choice Why would I??? Already asked for forgiveness, I moved from the apartment like he wanted, and the he gave me my things? !!!! Like I said, in the fight situations Im very much like Christian dealing with conflicts, and maybe thats why I can get him. While in happy times Im more like Olli Wow, maybe thats why I like them so much bc I can identify with them.
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Post by lolaruns on Aug 13, 2011 1:09:37 GMT -5
But at least she conveys her emotions doing so. The show does completely set up what she is yearning for (the be released from this burden one way or another) and that will eventually come into fruition.
A lot of the current characters (particularly the secret hiding ones like Helena and Viktoria) are pretty passive (as opposed to pursuing) but they are not quiet about it. They show their emotions constantly, either by acting or by talking and I would argue they are actually making progress in their own way even when they too are on a misguided road.
IMO the storylines mentioned above are of that sort. They are building up to a big reveal and in preparation of that are imo intentionally frustrating. I know Chrolli fans who are watching the clips think it's the same thing with Christian but IMO when you watch the show and see Christian next to all these characters who do communicate about their emotions what you are left is not build up but "Christian being annoying in the background".
I never thought that there was necessarily anything very amoral about Christian hooking up with Theresa (well aside from it always feeling slightly amoral to me to intentionally pursue a relationship with somebody you don't love at all).
I just think that completely makes a lie out of any claims that Christian loves Olli and wants to get back with him. IMO if he really wanted to get back with Olli he should be wiling to make this show of blind faith/devotion of not having something running on the side in the meantime. Him doing so makes him as anti-romantic as Hagen.
If they mean to say to us that he does that because the PAAAAAAAIN is just so great then they can't do that without showing us that pain. (and again, there are plenty of ways they can show and tell US that pain without him showing that pain to Olli if that (Olli being clueless) is what they need for the storyline they want to tell)
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Post by lolaruns on Aug 13, 2011 1:20:39 GMT -5
But if we take it as VL has a certain way of writing things, a prescription if you will, that leaves no wiggle room. You're basically saying it's black and white. But art (and this is a form of art) is meant to be interpreted. For instance take the Raphael scenes. Some saw chemistry between him and Olli, some didn't. Are either of us right? no. It's left up to the viewer to decide. If everything was so black and white we wouldnt have all these different views and it would be somewhat boring, at least for me. I surely wouldn't be up at 11 pm debating about fictional characters if it was. But isn't judgement different from interpretation? For example I know that Nico loves Phil, I just think it's boring and chemistry free (eg don't like it). Just because I don't like it and would rather have her love somebody else doesn't mean that she doesn't truly love him and just because she does truly love him doesn't mean that I have to enjoy it and find it entertaining. Soaps are a very special medium. They are on every day of the week and they have to be prepared every day that a new viewer might be tuning in for the first time and they have to at least make a token attempt to catch that viewer (you for example watch and episode of Bold and The Beautiful after 5 years of not watching and it takes only 1 or 2 episodes to understand what the stories, relationships and conflicts are, so every episode needs to contain it's own history summary of the things that are relevant at the moment). That's why every character needs to carry along the necessary history and background information, that's why they need to carry everything on their sleeves in one way or another. That's why every episode Helena has a main story in she has to repeat that she ran over Phil and let him lie there. The regular viewer is pulling his hair out and yelling "Stop talking, we already know, you have only said that for the 5 millionth time", but they are writing this for the passing viewer who looks at it and wonders "Why's that chick acting so shifty?". That's why characters need to be very obvious. Even their subtle needs to be very obvious.
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Post by Trish on Aug 13, 2011 1:24:34 GMT -5
I disagree Lola. I do watch the whole show and even if Christian is not doing it the same as the others, this is the way the writers are conveying his progression. Everytime he sees Oll moving on it affects him. I'm sure he will have his big revelation at some point. I'm not sure when. I understand that people may not like how it's being done, but this is what the writers are giving us. I don't thnk that any of the Cholli s/l is like the other s/l, so I don't think they can be compared on an apples to appes basis with the other s/l. I know they say they are treating the gay s/l like anyother, but I don't think they are and they fact that they have brought a women into the mix again shows that.
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Post by blaykee on Aug 13, 2011 1:26:11 GMT -5
But if we take it as VL has a certain way of writing things, a prescription if you will, that leaves no wiggle room. You're basically saying it's black and white. But art (and this is a form of art) is meant to be interpreted. For instance take the Raphael scenes. Some saw chemistry between him and Olli, some didn't. Are either of us right? no. It's left up to the viewer to decide. If everything was so black and white we wouldnt have all these different views and it would be somewhat boring, at least for me. I surely wouldn't be up at 11 pm debating about fictional characters if it was. But isn't judgement different from interpretation? For example I know that Nico loves Phil, I just think it's boring and chemistry free (eg don't like it). Just because I don't like it and would rather have her love somebody else doesn't mean that she doesn't truly love him and just because she does truly love him doesn't mean that I have to enjoy it and find it entertaining. Soaps are a very special medium. They are on every day of the week and they have to be prepared every day that a new viewer might be tuning in for the first time and they have to at least make a token attempt to catch that viewer (you for example watch and episode of Bold and The Beautiful after 5 years of not watching and it takes only 1 or 2 episodes to understand what the stories, relationships and conflicts are, so every episode needs to contain it's own history summary of the things that are relevant at the moment). That's why every character needs to carry along the necessary history and background information, that's why they need to carry everything on their sleeves in one way or another. That's why every episode Helena has a main story in she has to repeat that she ran over Phil and let him lie there. The regular viewer is pulling his hair out and yelling "Stop talking, we already know, you have only said that for the 5 millionth time", but they are writing this for the passing viewer who looks at it and wonders "Why's that chick acting so shifty?". That's why characters need to be very obvious. and is Christian being obvious? What is it his character is screaming for the viewer to know? if we take the prescription like you say, then you're saying that we are wrong in having our feelings/interpretations about what's going on. Is there a right and a wrong here?
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Post by lolaruns on Aug 13, 2011 1:37:08 GMT -5
The fact that we don't know shows that they aren't doing it. When there is plenty of things he could be or should be communicating if this is supposed to be a romantic and/or likable story. Of course we can talk about and feel whatever we want But I think within the format of VL I think we can assume it all bull and timepass (and I mean most of the deeper interpretations from both the pro and the anti side)/not part of the authorial intent. If it was the authorial intent (and after all the authorial intent does not only decide what is real for these characters but also what they will follow up on) then it would be communicated on the show. Again this is just my opinion on the futile-less of certain things. Especially in the context of discussing what is "real" (as opposed to discussing how we should feel about it) in the sense of what we hence expect to follow (predicting the future). *repeats "VL is not that deep"/"VL doesn't do subtle" mantra*
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Post by phoenix-feather on Aug 13, 2011 1:40:44 GMT -5
its a soap they tend to not make sense quite often..... Christian is a good example of characters changing their enduring traits according to the whims and fancies of the writers.
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Post by Trish on Aug 13, 2011 1:45:23 GMT -5
its a soap they tend to not make sense quite often..... Christian is a good example of characters changing their enduring traits according to the whims and fancies of the writers. Yes he is.
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Post by lolaruns on Aug 13, 2011 1:45:38 GMT -5
its a soap they tend to not make sense quite often..... Christian is a good example of characters changing their enduring traits according to the whims and fancies of the writers. IMO on soaps characters change all the time, usually for a storyline. If storyline 1 required character B to be adventurous and then his next storyline 2 requires him to be steadfast then he will suddenly be steadfast. If storyline 1 requires his lifelong dream to own his own store and storlyine 2 requires his lifelong dream to be boxing then suddenly his dream will be and will always have been boxing (also see: Tristan's music manager dream). So just because somebody has developed a characteristic you can't assume that characteristic to stick around forever. But usually the writers pick a story, pick a characterization for a story and then that is the settled on characterization within that story. That's why it's completely possible that in his next storyline Christian could be an axe murderer or suddenly a romantic and proactive lover who runs after his love and showers them with flowers and romantic sonnetts. I don't really talk/interpret as much about the story anymore because to me right now there just isn't much substance to it and there just seem to be vaguest characteristics mapped out for the characters. Heck, I get more of an actual storyline/character progression vibe from Jessica than I get from either Olli or Christian. The problem is that the charactization chosen for Christian in this arc is just not very likable or interesting with few romantically appealing qualities. He's not romantic, he's not dynamic, he is not angsty, he's not doing anything interesting. There's nothing to latch on to, there's no appeal. (not that Olli is the most appealing hero who ever was either, but at least he still has some likable traits like being sweet with his friends and helping others and being more open about his emotions)
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Post by phoenix-feather on Aug 13, 2011 2:00:55 GMT -5
That's why it's completely possible that in his next storyline Christian could be an axe murderer or suddenly a romantic and proactive lover who runs after his love and showers them with flowers and romantic sonnetts. ;D ;D ;D any of those possibilities would certainly be more interesting than the current stuff! The problem is that the charactization chosen for Christian in this arc is just not very likable or interesting with few romantically appealing qualities. He's not romantic, he's not dynamic, he is not angsty, he's not doing anything interesting. There's nothing to latch on to, there's no appeal. that's true,what I'm wondering is,whether this lack of substance for Christian's character really is for any future purpose (as they claim) or just plain laziness on the part of the writers....... because given the character's history, writers had plenty of opportunity to exploit a lot out of it....IMO.
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Post by angelarose on Aug 13, 2011 2:40:41 GMT -5
So, if we go with the assumption that VL doesn't do subtle then what are we 'supposed' to be interpreting? Are we supposed to just be feeling that they're being lazy and aren't showing us anything, positive or negative, especially from Christian and thus not interpret anything? Or are we supposed to be interpreting that this storyline too is 'obvious' and thus Christian doesn't really care about Olli anymore or is just a jerk? Because, subtle or not, I think there have been instances where they did show some (however small) feelings from Christian as far as missing Olli or still caring for him, and I don't think it was just some of us seeing what we want to see, so I don't think it can be the latter. So that pretty much leaves us either with lazy writing or they are staying somewhat subtle right now, especially with Christian, and his feeling will be more fleshed out later. For whatever reason this story seems to be being told from Olli's perspective and it feels like maybe the audience is being kept in the dark to a degree with regard to Christian. Whether that's intentional and they are deviating from their normal 'formula,' or they are just being lazy and telling half a story (at best) right now and throwing us a bone now and then from Christian so he doesn't look completely devoid of feelings, I'm not sure.
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