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Post by Trish on Jul 7, 2011 19:36:31 GMT -5
Wasn't there supposed to be pain and suffering on Christian's part, because "deep down inside" he knew that NOTHING and NOBODY could make him want anyone else OTHER than Olli? Why does there have to be a condescending tone? It's not necessary to mock the opinions of others. I don't think that those of us who have the opinion you stated or something similar mock those of you who just think Christian is an ass right now. Just my two cents of course. Just breath Anglea. We'll win out in the end.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jul 7, 2011 19:39:18 GMT -5
Wasn't there supposed to be pain and suffering on Christian's part, because "deep down inside" he knew that NOTHING and NOBODY could make him want anyone else OTHER than Olli? Yes, but because we KNOW that Christian doesn't really REACT or show his PAIN, its something we don't actually SEE although we KNOW it's there...... It's just deep down inside.
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Post by sonia38 on Jul 7, 2011 19:47:29 GMT -5
Deep, deep, deep down inside. It's so deep it's invisible.
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Post by pru on Jul 7, 2011 19:49:59 GMT -5
Take his sorry behind to judge Judy and let her give Olli everything in the settlement and let that low down dawg of a husband Christian left out on the street without a penny to his name but Olli is way too good and genuine to ever do anything like that. Yea, right now, I am advocating for a divorce, Olli deserves a man who will worship the ground he walk on not one who can't even wait a good two months before he jumps into bed with a woman and confirm his husband first fears. Fears my ASS, sonia. You mean the TRUTH! And WORD on Christian being weak and a pathetic asshole who couldn't even keep it in his pants over two months before dipping back into vagina land again.
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Post by pru on Jul 7, 2011 19:50:55 GMT -5
Deep, deep, deep down inside. It's so deep it's invisible. Stop being kind, sonia, it's non-existent.
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Post by evajan2 on Jul 7, 2011 20:45:20 GMT -5
interesting short scene with jessica and olli today - she really wants to be Olli's friend ...or she has a little crush on him ;D ;D
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Post by robin1 on Jul 8, 2011 1:38:04 GMT -5
Why does there have to be a condescending tone? It's not necessary to mock the opinions of others. I don't think that those of us who have the opinion you stated or something similar mock those of you who just think Christian is an ass right now. Just my two cents of course. Just breath Anglea. We'll win out in the end. word!!!! a friend (not a lover) of mine broke up some years ago for some reasons... we both lived our life during this time. then i had to contact him because of some business issues. (we worked in the same company) we speaked about everything and since when we're best friends again and it's better than ever. if we were lovers i didnt mind if he had cheated me during the time we had no contact. it doesnt matter.
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Post by canadiansunshine on Jul 8, 2011 4:33:42 GMT -5
Just breath Anglea. We'll win out in the end. word!!!! a friend (not a lover) of mine broke up some years ago for some reasons... we both lived our life during this time. then i had to contact him because of some business issues. (we worked in the same company) we speaked about everything and since when we're best friends again and it's better than ever. if we were lovers i didnt mind if he had cheated me during the time we had no contact. it doesnt matter. There are no winners in this storyline. We are all losers, including Olli and Christian. No one wins when someone is cheating in a marriage. However, one could say it's a win because so many people are so fired up over Chrolli again and making people think about the nature of marriage and cheating and sexuality and the seriousness of one night stands and family loyalty and...well lots of discussion and discourse...and I myself have learned a lot! To me, cheating is about dishonesty and not being up front. For example, if two people are married, but are not satisfying the other in some way (eg. sexual kink that one is into and the other is not) and one partner gives permission to the other to satisfy their needs from someone else-is that cheating? No it's not-they are both up front, honest, and know where both stand. They are not endangering the marriage by breaking any trust. It's an arrangement, while unconventional, that works for them. Christian and Olli were on a break-they never discussed divorce, or seeing other people, or whatever. Just that Olli needed time apart from Christian because of Christian's original indiscretion when they were NOT on a break. So Olli did NOT know Christian was going to/intended to sleep with another woman. And Christian did NOT tell Olli he was going to/intended to sleep with someone else. So on a break or not, one partner is in the dark and the other is willfully keeping the other in the dark, and this is cheating. And Christian himself knows he is doing something wrong, because if he wasn't, why wouldn't he just tell Olli? If Christian told Olli, "Listen, I love you, but you are pushing me away so much right now I can't handle it, and the only way I know how to handle things is to sleep with someone else, so talk to me or I'll do it..." (now THAT would be wicked storyline!) at least Olli knows where he stands: that Christian is tired of waiting and considers the marriage over. Because for all intents and purposes-as soon as he decided to sleep with Theresa, he decided his marriage was over. Cuz how do you come back from that without a whole lot of therapy or a really costly divorce. Honestly though, Olli is culpable for a lot of things-drama queen, really really pushy when he wants something, almost to the point of running Christian over like a steam engine, naivete with Rob and he was not above manipulation in his pursuit of Christian...but he cannot be to blame when Christian decides to sleep with two people who is not his husband without Olli's prior knowledge. I've been on Christian's side for a lot of their storylines-when others thought Christian was too controlling and obsessive of Olli's time with Rob; heck I even stuck my neck out there by sympathizing (a little) with him for allowing and prolonging his first kiss with Rebecca (not the second though!). But it's weird that the same person who was so rigid in who Olli spent time with and hated so much when other guys even so much as looked at Olli the wrong way (papaya guy?) would be so casual with having sex with other people and expecting Olli to just get over it. OK, really have to get to sleep now.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jul 8, 2011 5:05:06 GMT -5
It IS weird, CanadianSunshine. That's why I'm basing my reactions on what I'm SEEING onscreen in this current storyline between Olli & Christian. All that Olli asked Christian for WAS a break, NOT an end to their marriage. Not for him to sleep with another woman twice. If my views and opinions about Christian's onscreen behavior is viewed as unsettling, disturbing and/or just downright mean, well that's just how I feel.
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Post by angelarose on Jul 8, 2011 5:40:07 GMT -5
One of the arguments I keep hearing with regard to Christian's love for Olli is that actions speak louder than words, and that while Christian is SAYING he loves Olli his ACTIONS say otherwise. Well, I believe the same could be said about Olli with regard to the 'break.' Olli was SAYING he only wanted a 'break' but his ACTIONS said otherwise. Saying you need a time-out to gather yourself and think things through without your husband for a while (but not ending the marriage), and then not spending any of that time thinking, instead partying the days and nights away, giving your husband back not only all HIS earthly possessions from the marital home but all your possessions as a COUPLE (including wedding photos, the topper from the wedding cake, and the like) and any reminder of him, and then refusing to be in the same room with your husband or even so much as have a civil conversation, well, that says something else entirely. Olli's WORDS may have said he just wanted a 'break' but his ACTIONS said he wanted a 'break-up.' Now whether or not that means Christian should go right ahead and sleep with Theresa because of this is an entirely different debate.
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Post by bel7003 on Jul 8, 2011 5:43:00 GMT -5
One of the arguments I keep hearing with regard to Christian's love for Olli is that actions speak louder than words, and that while Christian is SAYING he loves Olli his ACTIONS say otherwise. Well, I believe the same could be said about Olli with regard to the 'break.' Olli was SAYING he only wanted a 'break' but his ACTIONS said otherwise. Saying you need a time-out to gather yourself and think things through without your husband for a while (but not ending the marriage), and then not spending any of that time thinking, instead partying the days and nights away, giving your husband back not only all HIS earthly possessions from the marital home but all your possessions as a COUPLE (including wedding photos, the topper from the wedding cake, and the like) and any reminder of him, and then refusing to be in the same room with your husband or even so much as have a civil conversation, well, that says something else entirely. Olli's WORDS may have said he just wanted a 'break' but his ACTIONS said he wanted a 'break-up.' Now whether or not that means Christian should go right ahead and sleep with Theresa because of this is an entirely different debate. I agree with every word.
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Post by angelarose on Jul 8, 2011 6:14:18 GMT -5
Thanks bel.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jul 8, 2011 7:05:38 GMT -5
Okay, so since you believe that Olli's actions led Christian to the situation he's in now, sleeping with another woman, why hasn't he said anything about it to his husband? Since Christian already believes that their marriage is over due to Olli's and his own actions, why not tell the truth, show all the cards in his hands? Or does he believe that he's still got a chance, if Olli doesn't know anything? As some folks HAVE mentioned, Christian CAN be selfish at times (and that opinion comes from folks who WANT the reunion to have happened YESTERDAY)?
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Post by ncecho on Jul 8, 2011 7:27:33 GMT -5
Quick message. I just find this whole sl depressing. C/T makes me want to puke and poor Ollie- always crying. I'm glad hes leaving and I hope he finds some happiness with Raphael even if its just for a short period. (Hopefully just for a short period) I'll be glad when this C/T phase ends.
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Post by angelarose on Jul 8, 2011 7:35:27 GMT -5
Okay, so since you believe that Olli's actions led Christian to the situation he's in now, sleeping with another woman, why hasn't he said anything about it to his husband? Since Christian already believes that their marriage is over due to Olli's and his own actions, why not tell the truth, show all the cards in his hands? Or does he believe that he's still got a chance, if Olli doesn't know anything? As some folks HAVE mentioned, Christian CAN be selfish at times (and that opinion comes from folks who WANT the reunion to have happened YESTERDAY)? Actually that wasn't the point I was making. That's why I said whether or not that should or did lead to Christian sleeping with Theresa is an entirely different debate. I wasn't drawing a cause and effect conclusion for Christian's behavior, I was making an analogy between the behavior of Olli and Christian. My point was that although Olli's ACTIONS appeared to be saying he wanted a break-up and not a 'break' I don't believe he actually did. And I believe the same for Christian, that although his ACTIONS appear to be saying he doesn't love Olli, I believe he still does. Basically, that sometimes actions don't speak louder than words. I believe they are both hurting and unable to handle the 'break' in a constructive manner so their words and actions are seemingly in conflict. Of course that opens up the pandora's box of whether or not Christian is 'entitled' to feel hurt since he 'started' it, but that's probably an argument that those of us on either side of the aisle so to speak won't be agreeing on anytime soon. To answer your question though, I think Christian isn't telling Olli because he still loves him. Whether that means he doesn't want to hurt Olli, or thinks maybe there's a small chance for them, or is embarrassed by his own behavior, or is fooling himself into thinking it's okay, or all of the above, none of the above, or some combination of the above, I'm not sure. Yes, I think Olli gave Christian every indication the marriage was over, but I don't think Christian wanted it to be over. I don't think he's 'moving on' with a new relationship so he would have no problem letting Olli know about it. To me he's hiding from his feelings and dulling the pain of losing the love of his life by seeking solace with another person. I never said I liked Christian's behavior or condoned it or thought it was 'okay', I merely said I could understand why he might act the way he is acting.
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Post by robin1 on Jul 8, 2011 7:58:37 GMT -5
One of the arguments I keep hearing with regard to Christian's love for Olli is that actions speak louder than words, and that while Christian is SAYING he loves Olli his ACTIONS say otherwise. Well, I believe the same could be said about Olli with regard to the 'break.' Olli was SAYING he only wanted a 'break' but his ACTIONS said otherwise. Saying you need a time-out to gather yourself and think things through without your husband for a while (but not ending the marriage), and then not spending any of that time thinking, instead partying the days and nights away, giving your husband back not only all HIS earthly possessions from the marital home but all your possessions as a COUPLE (including wedding photos, the topper from the wedding cake, and the like) and any reminder of him, and then refusing to be in the same room with your husband or even so much as have a civil conversation, well, that says something else entirely. Olli's WORDS may have said he just wanted a 'break' but his ACTIONS said he wanted a 'break-up.' Now whether or not that means Christian should go right ahead and sleep with Theresa because of this is an entirely different debate. another true posting, thanks for bringing some of my thoughts to words. i still think it's better to sleep with another woman without real feelings instead of taking drugs or being everybodys toyboy at the duesseldorf gayclubs.
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Post by mariesun on Jul 8, 2011 8:16:08 GMT -5
i still think it's better to sleep with another woman without real feelings instead of taking drugs or being everybodys toyboy at the duesseldorf gayclubs. if they will show us the sleeping with another woman without real feelings just off screen ( like a purported taking drugs or being everybodys toyboy at the duesseldorf gayclubs ) then of course
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Post by chrischi on Jul 8, 2011 8:30:11 GMT -5
i still think it's better to sleep with another woman without real feelings instead of taking drugs or being everybodys toyboy at the duesseldorf gayclubs. Who is taking drugs then resp. who is everybody's toyboy at the Düsseldorf gay clubs?
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Post by evajan2 on Jul 8, 2011 8:32:56 GMT -5
i still think it's better to sleep with another woman without real feelings instead of taking drugs or being everybodys toyboy at the duesseldorf gayclubs. Who is taking drugs then resp. who is everybody's toyboy at the Düsseldorf gay clubs? It looks like Olli ... or am I wrong robin1? have you seen something like that , @chrischi ?
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Post by chrischi on Jul 8, 2011 8:42:20 GMT -5
have you seen something like that , @chrischi ? No. But it seems to me robin1 has a wanton imagination.
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Post by robin1 on Jul 8, 2011 8:48:37 GMT -5
i still think it's better to sleep with another woman without real feelings instead of taking drugs or being everybodys toyboy at the duesseldorf gayclubs. Who is taking drugs then resp. who is everybody's toyboy at the Düsseldorf gay clubs? no one at the moment... it was only a comparing of some possibilities... (even olli was taking drugs after he broke up with tom in the past)
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Post by Lightness on Jul 8, 2011 8:57:26 GMT -5
(even olli was taking drugs after he broke up with tom in the past) No, he didn't.
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Post by robin1 on Jul 8, 2011 9:16:07 GMT -5
(even olli was taking drugs after he broke up with tom in the past) No, he didn't. yes, ur right. but he sells drugs... long time ago.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jul 8, 2011 10:27:50 GMT -5
Thanks for the clarification, because I thought I missed something in the episodes that actally aired.
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Post by AndreB on Jul 8, 2011 11:02:05 GMT -5
yes, ur right. but he sells drugs... long time ago. As far as I remember, he agreed to transport some drugs to pay his debt, but ended up washing them down the toilet.
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