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Post by anthonyl on Feb 26, 2015 2:41:46 GMT -5
It would be, except Will specifically said he didn't want or didn't need to know about Sonny's past lovers.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Feb 26, 2015 6:38:10 GMT -5
It would be, except Will specifically said he didn't want or didn't need to know about Sonny's past lovers. Exactly. Will and his insecurity over Sonny's life before him, caused him to tell his husband that he couldn't handle knowing anything about his past. Another thing that should have raised a big caution sign for Sonny, but he wanted to be with Will and did what he asked of him. Now, Will's tries to use that as a bargaining tool to help him get Sonny to forgive him? Will's in the wrong.
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Post by teachgirl on Feb 26, 2015 8:35:56 GMT -5
It would be, except Will specifically said he didn't want or didn't need to know about Sonny's past lovers. Exactly. Will and his insecurity over Sonny's life before him, caused him to tell his husband that he couldn't handle knowing anything about his past. Another thing that should have raised a big caution sign for Sonny, but he wanted to be with Will and did what he asked of him. Now, Will's tries to use that as a bargaining tool to help him get Sonny to forgive him? Will's in the wrong. It's interesting that the only time we actually heard Will say that, it had a different connotation, at least for me. When Sonny and Will talked in CG right before they went back to Sonny's apartment the first time they slept together, Sonny offered to answer any questions Will had about his past, and Will said he didn't need to know. To me, the connotation was that he trusted Sonny and was rejecting his father's warnings and that the past didn't matter. It was only when Sonny recently told Adrienne that Will had said he didn't want to know about his past relationships that it then sounded like insecurity on Will's part. A bit of a retcon, I think.
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Post by gidi on Feb 26, 2015 10:05:43 GMT -5
Exactly. Will and his insecurity over Sonny's life before him, caused him to tell his husband that he couldn't handle knowing anything about his past. Another thing that should have raised a big caution sign for Sonny, but he wanted to be with Will and did what he asked of him. Now, Will's tries to use that as a bargaining tool to help him get Sonny to forgive him? Will's in the wrong. It's interesting that the only time we actually heard Will say that, it had a different connotation, at least for me. When Sonny and Will talked in CG right before they went back to Sonny's apartment the first time they slept together, Sonny offered to answer any questions Will had about his past, and Will said he didn't need to know. To me, the connotation was that he trusted Sonny and was rejecting his father's warnings and that the past didn't matter. It was only when Sonny recently told Adrienne that Will had said he didn't want to know about his past relationships that it then sounded like insecurity on Will's part. A bit of a retcon, I think. It is good to remember the situation there wheb n before for such asking tger waas breakup/ Always pefering Sonny on Will not wantimg to try to understand will it all way long.
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Post by HQ75 on Feb 26, 2015 13:40:09 GMT -5
It's interesting that the only time we actually heard Will say that, it had a different connotation, at least for me. When Sonny and Will talked in CG right before they went back to Sonny's apartment the first time they slept together, Sonny offered to answer any questions Will had about his past, and Will said he didn't need to know. To me, the connotation was that he trusted Sonny and was rejecting his father's warnings and that the past didn't matter. It was only when Sonny recently told Adrienne that Will had said he didn't want to know about his past relationships that it then sounded like insecurity on Will's part. A bit of a retcon, I think. This is EXACTLY what I remembered as well and it had nothing to do with insecurity on Will's part. It was Will trying to show Sonny that he trusted him and would not judge him the way Lucas had. It was never about "not wanting to know" it was about not NEEDING to know in order to be with Sonny. I've never heard Will say anything since that day at Common Grounds about not wanting to know about Sonny's past relationships. In fact, Will used to ask lots of questions about Sonny's past relationships before they were a couple. I also think it is VERY different to let your boyfriend know you don't need an inventory of his past conquests than saying "I don't want to know about your past". And the minute Paul stepped foot into town he was no longer part of Sonny's past. He's a part of his present and Will should definitely have been told about Paul being in town, about Sonny asking Paul to marry him right before he come back to town AND about Paul still being interested in being with Sonny. Sonny is the one who makes a huge big deal about never, ever keeping anything from Will and wanting full disclosure about everything all the time yet he keeps finding reasons to keep things from Will Will is completely responsible for allowing himself to get swept up in the magic of Paul and break his vows. But sexual fidelity is NOT the only vow one makes when they get married. It just seems to be the only one soap watchers care about
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Post by HQ75 on Feb 26, 2015 13:48:20 GMT -5
I happen to be a person who believes there are far worse things that someone can do than have a one time sexual encounter with someone who isn't their husband or wife. Marriage is supposed to be forever. For better, for worse, etc. Will isn't a serial cheater and I don't think even Sonny believes he would be (he's too angry and hurt to think about it right now but when calmed down I think he'd agree).
The problem is that there are two situations going on at once and Will cheating on Sonny in most viewers eyes seems to have trumped every other issue in their relationship. Personally, I would be JUST AS upset about my husband literally spending every dime we had on a business he was told was doomed to fail without even consulting me as I would about a one night stand. The fact that Will slept with Paul makes it worse for BOTH Will and Sonny.
From where I'm sitting both Sonny and Will went off the rails and folks can make everything about Will cheating with Paul but that was just a symptom of a larger set of distrust issues that to me came to a head when neither Will nor Sonny discussed the fact that they EACH thought the other had killed Nick and Will just decided to go to jail for Sonny rather than talk to him about it.
I also think folks are wrong in saying that Will was reaching for excuses because I think it is a very big deal that Sonny proposed to Paul and came back to town still in love with Paul and it's obvious to anyone that Sonny has conflicted feelings about Paul which is why he let Paul kiss him twice and why he was on the verge of going to Paul's hotel when Will got back to town.
Sonny does not deserve to be cheated on and he has every right to divorce Will if that's what he wants to do (vows not withstanding) but I don't think what Will said to Sonny about Paul is just him making excuses. I think the very reason Adrienne was so eager to get Paul out of town is the reason Will should be worried about Paul being there.
Whatever happens, I think the storyline is a lot more complicated than "Will is Sami's son and therefore can't be trusted".
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Post by HQ75 on Feb 26, 2015 13:55:17 GMT -5
If Will and Sonny get a divorce I really hope Will also gets his own love interest. I don't see Will as the spawn of Satan so I'd love to see him actually get to date and see what it's like to be an openly gay man who is not already in a relationship. I just hope they don't do that "Ariana has to live with Will" thing because I think that would be really unrealistic. Why would it be unrealistic for Ariana to live with Will, her biological father? Will already probably has official custody of her, since Gabi's in prison. Did you mean you hope they won't make Will so vindictive that he wouldn't let Sonny have any visitation? I can't see them making Will that vengeful. Will and Sonny are a married gay couple and Ariana is just as much Sonny's daughter as she is Will as far as I'm concerned. Biology is not everything. They only reason Sonny can't legally be Ariana's father is that the heterosexist law hasn't caught up to the reality of children having two legal fathers. Sonny has fed, clothed, loved and raised this child as much as Will. It made no sense for Will to take Ariana to California and it wouldn't make sense for Will to have sole custody of Ariana in a divorce. If Ariana had been legally adopted by both Will and Sonny and they got a divorce folks would assume they'd have shared custody. I think the same should be true regardless.
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Post by Zathras on Feb 26, 2015 21:07:08 GMT -5
I tend to disagree that what Sonny did in past relationships is something that he needed to tell Will, but it really depends on what they've told each other. I don't remember the scene you guys are referring to, nor do I remember every conversation they've had. If Will has asked whether Sonny's ever been really close to someone, then Sonny should have said so (I agree he didn't need to divulge the identity of the guy). But if they never really talked about past relationships at all, then I can't consider it a big deal; it was in the past.
As for what Sonny should have said once Paul was back in town ... I can't necessarily disagree with what you say, HQ75. On the other hand, if he wasn't really tempted, or had any intention of leaving Will, or wasn't conflicted, then what purpose would it serve to tell Will anything?
They continue to lie to each other and keep things from each other, despite saying multiple times that they wouldn't do that. It's been an ongoing theme for their entire relationship. Some of it came across to me as plot-driven nonsense, but some of it is real. Sonny going overboard on the new club and then spending all the money was poorly set up IMO. His obsession seemed (to me) to come out of left field. So, yeah, it happened, and Will was angry when he learned (and rightly so).
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Post by jason47 on Feb 27, 2015 20:51:04 GMT -5
FEBRUARY 2015 EPISODE RANKINGS & STATSFREDDIE SMITH & GUY WILSON BOTH LEAD MONTHLY RANKINGS FOR FIRST TIME: Freddie Smith (Sonny) & Guy Wilson (Will) led the February 2015 episode rankings, the first time either has been the monthly leader. They are the 143rd and 144th actors to lead the monthly rankings in "Days" history. For the complete list, please visit www.jason47.com/days/monthlyleaders.htmlDAILY CAST CHART: Review each day's cast list from February 2015 at www.jason47.com/days/castcharts2015.html2015 Episode Rankings. Here's how many episodes each actor has appeared in this year (1/1/15-2/28/15), out of a total of 41 episodes. For the complete list, please visit www.jason47.com. Rank. Actor (Character) # of Episodes1. Freddie Smith (Sonny Kiriakis) 27 *. Guy Wilson (Will Horton) 27 3. Shawn Christian (Daniel Jonas) 26 4. Christopher Sean (Paul Narita) 25 5. Melissa Archer (Serena Mason) 23 *. Molly Burnett (Melanie Jonas) 23 7. Eric Martsolf (Brady Black) 21 *. Greg Vaughan (Eric Brady) 21 *. Arianne Zucker (Nicole Walker) 21 10. Billy Flynn (Chad DiMera) 19 *. Kate Mansi (Abigail Deveraux) 19 *. Casey Moss (J.J. Deveraux) 19 *. Chrishell Stause (Jordan Ridgeway) 19 February Episode Rankings. Here's how many episodes each actor has appeared in this month (2/1/15-2/28/14), out of a total of 20 episodes. For the complete list, please visit www.jason47.comRank. Actor (Character) # of Episodes1. Freddie Smith (Sonny Kiriakis) 15 *. Guy Wilson (Will Horton) 15 3. Christopher Sean (Paul Narita) 14 4. Kristian Alfonso (Hope Brady) 11 *. Molly Burnett (Melanie Jonas) 11 *. Shawn Christian (Daniel Jonas) 11 *. Daniel Cosgrove (Aiden Jennings) 11 *. Kassie DePaiva (Eve Larson) 11 *. Casey Moss (J.J. Deveraux) 11 10. Melissa Archer (Serena Mason) 10 *. True O'Brien (Paige Larson) 10 SET TOTALS: February 2015Horton Town Square...20 Club TBD...15 Horton Town Square Private Area...15 Nurses' Station...15 Sonny's Hospital Room...11 Aiden's Cabin/Puget Sound...10 Daniel's Apartment...9 Eric's Apartment...9 Hospital Waiting Area...9 Larson Apartment...8 Horton Living Room...7 Kiriakis Study...7 Paul's Hotel Room...7 Serena's Hotel Room...7 Sonny & Will's Apartment...6 Brady Pub...5 Edge of the Square...5 Eric's Bedroom...5 Jordan's Office...5 Eve's Bedroom...4 Hospital Chapel...4 Marlena's Office...4 Student Union...4 DiMera Study...3 Theresa's Apartment...3 Ben's Apartment...2 Brady & Melanie's Hotel Room Bed Limbo...2 Dr. Mandrake's Office...2 Hospital Exam Room...2 Hospital Operating Room...2 Jennifer's Office...2 Larson Apartment (Elevator Area)...2 Nicole's Office...2 Tori's Phone Limbo/Japan...2 Clyde's Hotel Room...1 Daniel's Office...1 John's Office...1 Park...1 Paul & Sonny's Hotel Bed Limbo...1 Paul & Will's Bed Limbo...1 Stefano's Phone Limbo...1 Theresa's Bedroom...1 DIRECTORS & SCRIPT WRITERS:2/2/15: Herb Stein & Richard Culliton 2/3/15: Steven Williford & Jeanne Marie Ford 2/4/15: Steven Williford & Janet Iacobuzio 2/5/15: Steven Williford & Janet Iacobuzio 2/6/15: Grant A. Johnson & Melissa Salmons 2/9/15: Grant A. Johnson & Jeanne Marie Ford 2/10/15: Herb Stein & Jeanne Marie Ford 2/11/15: Albert Alarr & Carolyn Culliton 2/12/15: Albert Alarr & David Cherrill 2/13/15: Steven Williford & Richard Culliton 2/16/15: Albert Alarr & Richard Culliton 2/17/15: Phil Sogard & Carolyn Culliton 2/18/15: Albert Alarr & David Cherrill 2/19/15: Steven Williford & Jeanne Marie Ford 2/20/15: Steven Williford & Melissa Salmons 2/23/15: Albert Alarr & Melissa Salmons 2/24/15: Steven Williford & Melissa Salmons 2/25/15: Steven Williford & Carolyn Culliton 2/26/15: Grant A. Johnson & Janet Iacobuzio 2/27/15: Steven Williford & Jeanne Marie Ford www.jason47.com
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Post by justinate on Feb 27, 2015 23:55:37 GMT -5
Why would it be unrealistic for Ariana to live with Will, her biological father? Will already probably has official custody of her, since Gabi's in prison. Did you mean you hope they won't make Will so vindictive that he wouldn't let Sonny have any visitation? I can't see them making Will that vengeful. Will and Sonny are a married gay couple and Ariana is just as much Sonny's daughter as she is Will as far as I'm concerned. Biology is not everything. They only reason Sonny can't legally be Ariana's father is that the heterosexist law hasn't caught up to the reality of children having two legal fathers. Sonny has fed, clothed, loved and raised this child as much as Will. It made no sense for Will to take Ariana to California and it wouldn't make sense for Will to have sole custody of Ariana in a divorce. If Ariana had been legally adopted by both Will and Sonny and they got a divorce folks would assume they'd have shared custody. I think the same should be true regardless. Arianna already has 2 parents who want to be in her life. Even if the birth cert was changed to use gender neutral terms Parent 1 and Parent 2, those would be Will and Gabi, not Sonny. Unless Gabi gives up her parental rights, there's no space to put Sonny on there. And I don't see that happening anytime soon. Sonny is Ari's stepfather and no court would award him primary custody over the biological father, Will, unless Will proves himself to be an incompetent parent. So far he has not. Adultery does not make one a terrible parent. A terrible husband, yes, but not a terrible parent.
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Post by jjose712 on Mar 1, 2015 9:03:12 GMT -5
Will is really asking for Sonny to kick his ass. He should be begging forgiveness and instead of that he is trying to put the blame on Sonny. That's not a good idea, and even less if Paul is still around
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Post by mrfixit477 on Mar 3, 2015 20:42:37 GMT -5
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Post by Zathras on Mar 3, 2015 20:44:35 GMT -5
I get the feeling that Will's insecurities are going to take over. And I don't just mean him trying to hold on to Sonny because of the cheating. Somehow he keeps trying to turn their discussion about his betrayal around to being about what Sonny did or didn't do/say. No, Sonny hasn't denied having feelings for Paul. I think he still does, to a certain extent, and that isn't at all surprising considering how they broke up. But life happens. It didn't work out between Sonny and Paul. But if Will and Sonny break up tomorrow, it won't be because of how Sonny feels about Paul (can't say what might happen in the future, though). I actually would like to see Will work through his insecurities. They've plagued him for a very long time. Sonny can't help him get over that; he has to do it himself. But I'm not holding my breath. Before he leaves, I really hope Sonny tells Adrienne that Will cheated on him. I really want to see Adrienne's reaction. Thanks, mrfixit!
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Post by talula on Mar 5, 2015 16:02:08 GMT -5
they're adorable! Team PaulSon! link
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Post by Zathras on Mar 6, 2015 20:16:01 GMT -5
Damn. I take it that the show didn't show Sonny talk to Adrienne before he left. That was a wasted opportunity. At any rate, Will is just being an ass now. I'm so glad Paul called him out on taking responsibility for his role. It's really starting to grate on me that Will keeps trying to pawn off responsibility on other people. Does he actually believe what he's saying, or is he just desperate? I get why he wants Paul out of the picture, but he's deluding himself if he thinks that's the only obstacle, or if he thinks that it's his place to demand Paul leave town. If I were in Paul's position I'd tell Will to fuck off. But now Adrienne sees Will in Paul's hotel room. Things are going to get interesting. Thanks, mrfixit!
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Post by mrfixit477 on Mar 7, 2015 2:00:37 GMT -5
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Post by teachgirl on Mar 7, 2015 11:25:14 GMT -5
Lucas (and a lot of commenters elsewhere) made such a big deal of Sonny not seeing Arianna before he left (and it does seem out of character for him) that I assume they will have Sonny explain that whenever he returns. I'm betting he will say something to the effect that if he had stopped to see Ari, he never would have been able to leave, and so he needed to just make a quick, clean break.
Will is such a mess, acting out of a place of absolute fear and panic, as we've seen him do before. It was nice for once to see him called out on his craziness immediately. But he is of course right about the reason Paul is staying in Salem, Paul's lame PT excuse notwithstanding.
Oh, Paul, you're in Salem now. Never say never about cheating. There's something in the water ...
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Post by jjose712 on Mar 8, 2015 9:14:38 GMT -5
Will really has a nerve. He is putting the blame everywhere
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2015 18:16:46 GMT -5
I swear I just saw the guy who plays Adrienne husband in a General Hospital clip? Maybe it was a look a like.
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Post by stormymac on Mar 8, 2015 19:11:02 GMT -5
I swear I just saw the guy who plays Adrienne husband in a General Hospital clip? Maybe it was a look a like. Wally Kurth has been playing Ned Ashton on General Hospital, off and on, since 1991. He is currently recurring on both GH and Days.
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Post by Zathras on Mar 9, 2015 19:40:58 GMT -5
I've never been Adrienne's biggest fan. She's often rubbed me the wrong way. But I loved her dressing down Will today. And slapping the hell out of him. "You want an out!" I'm so glad she said that. He just doesn't listen. And "You are truly Sami Brady's son." No shit. That last part, and Will's comment to his dad today, bug me. I really hope they don't try to turn Will into the next Sami Brady. I could barely stand Sami's antics. I'd hate to see Will do the same. Thanks, mrfixit!
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Post by teachgirl on Mar 10, 2015 9:19:13 GMT -5
Adrienne's angry reaction was appropriate and fun to watch; the slap was not. I know that soaps, particularly Days, love slaps, and that Marlena is queen of the slaps on this show, but I'm not a fan of it. Would the audience be cheering if it had been Sonny who slapped Will? Domestic violence is not okay, but a mother-in-law doing it is okay?
Of course she's entitled to be angry on behalf of Sonny, but I wonder whether the show will bring up her own infidelity (and it was much more than a one-night stand) when she was first married to Justin.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2015 6:34:47 GMT -5
I swear I just saw the guy who plays Adrienne husband in a General Hospital clip? Maybe it was a look a like. Wally Kurth has been playing Ned Ashton on General Hospital, off and on, since 1991. He is currently recurring on both GH and Days. Thx! I honestly don't watch either soap. Never have. I just watch the gay clips on both. Lol
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Post by mrfixit477 on Mar 12, 2015 16:02:01 GMT -5
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Post by HQ75 on Mar 12, 2015 18:09:26 GMT -5
Adrienne is in no place to judge anyone. Glass houses and all that. Her history with Justin is not exactly roses and wine. What happens between Will and Sonny is about them. IF Sonny decides to forgive Will that's Sonny's business and if he doesn't same applies.
Adrienne needs a job or a hobby or something to do besides stay all up in Sonny's business 24/7
I get that folks hate Will and all but nothing justifies Adrienne's rabid hypocrisy and inability to see her son as a grown man, not a "baby" she needs to protect and follow around.
Sorry, as frustrated as I am with Will right about now, nothing makes me feel any different about Adrienne. She's just horrible.
Just once on a soap I wish when a woman slapped a man across the face he just slapped her right back. I have NEVER believed in that double standard.
I think if you raise your hand to someone you are asking to get hit. Period. No exceptions.
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