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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2011 18:23:06 GMT -5
Todays show was heart breaking and Jo and Thore rocked but Jo stole my heart when he was crying. that's not about crying .... It's hard to explain it ... but he is just ..WOW
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Post by jos87 on May 4, 2011 18:32:42 GMT -5
However for me the oscar for the worst sentence goes to this "Christian, when you touch me or look at me, I wonder who you're thinking of." what kind of sentence is this? please who wrote this rubbish??? he was thinking to me ok? have a problem?(I'd like to) I didn't like that line either. Just like the one from the other day. When Christian was looking at him before they kissed, we are suppose to believe that he thought that he was thinking of a women? All the time that they were making love, and from Chrisitian statment of not getting much sleep, he was wondering if Chrisitian was thinking of a woman?
Maybe that's why they have been having scenes where they don't talk. Some of the lines are really good, but ones like that really make you wonder what the writers were smoking. i'm with you.total ridicolous this sentence. It's not the first time that i listen this kind of sentence and I always hated this. It's a stupid thing to say.I imagine Jo's face when he read this sentence,too. Sometimes they must say really terrible scripts. Now i have to start to think who will be the people that i will imagine in my mind the next time i will have sex. i have no words ::)i'm going to vomit
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Post by pemberley187 on May 4, 2011 18:35:46 GMT -5
Somehow I always cringe when he, as Christian, needs to make contact with Jo as Olli. His comfort blanket position is holding Olli's head. Any other body contact is near on impossible without looking extremely self conscious and awkward. Watch his left hand during the sofa kiss and the finger touch at the breakfast table. However, when just looking at his face, when Olli has told him he want to separate for a while, he was so believably heartbroken. He was so huggable in his sadness. By the way, many, many thanks to Joanna and Mercurymay for everything that you do. I love that move when Christian holds Olli's head and he kisses him its very intimate and I love Thore's hands. Today's episode was good I can't say great because for me it didn't work along side the Seb and Tanja scenes they sort of jarred. Also when I watched in the preview I got a lump in my throat but watching it on mediathek because of the cuts I wasn't as moved. Loved the breakfast scene it was really good and the boys were brilliant together not sure if I like the door bit but all in all sad moving and very heartfelt scene. Loved Olli sniffing Christian's jumper it really made it seem like he was saying a final goodbye.
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Post by Trish on May 4, 2011 18:38:15 GMT -5
It would have been better if he said that when he touched him, he thought about him touching Jessica. That would make more sense, not wondering what Chrisitan was thinking.
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Post by jos87 on May 4, 2011 18:44:38 GMT -5
It would have been better if he said that when he touched him, he thought about him touching Jessica. That would make more sense, not wondering what Chrisitan was thinking. very good.certainly would have been right and understandable having regard to what happened.Infact he can't overcome that night in NL with Jessica,and your sentence would be appropriate. Ok twatts can you replace the people that work in VL's dialogues?
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Post by Trish on May 4, 2011 18:47:36 GMT -5
I'm afraid not. I don't speak German. LOL
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Post by jos87 on May 4, 2011 18:57:33 GMT -5
I'm afraid not. I don't speak German. LOL you write in english and later with Google translator write the same thing in German ahahahah i can't imagine the result of the translation
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Post by Flippityfloppityflip on May 4, 2011 18:59:52 GMT -5
I love that move when Christian holds Olli's head and he kisses him its very intimate and I love Thore's hands. Today's episode was good I can't say great because for me it didn't work along side the Seb and Tanja scenes they sort of jarred. Also when I watched in the preview I got a lump in my throat but watching it on mediathek because of the cuts I wasn't as moved. Loved the breakfast scene it was really good and the boys were brilliant together not sure if I like the door bit but all in all sad moving and very heartfelt scene. Loved Olli sniffing Christian's jumper it really made it seem like he was saying a final goodbye. Maybe I notice all the things Thore does with his hands is because like you I love Thore's hands and forearms. He has beautiful hands with lovely long fingers. Jo has a gorgeous face, but I'm a little averse to his hairy forearms and his hands. I wish he'd stop rolling his sleeves up all the time. When he does it with his jackets I'm thrown back to the 1980's and yes I'm that old or even older! Strangely, although I'm not keen on the hairy forearms, I was looking forward to Jo being able to let free his chest rug. We had a slight peak of its beginnings in the last Chrolli bedroom scene, but with recent developments that's likely to stay under wraps for some time which is a shame. There was something about a smooth skinned Christian and a hairier Olli that has a bit of frisson! But less of carnal matters and back to cardi sniffing Olli. Jo should be a mime artist as he is so good at conveying emotions without words. Bravo!
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Post by Trish on May 4, 2011 19:00:24 GMT -5
LOL Neither can I. For the most part the writers are doing much better. I'm not ready to fire them yet, but there's still time.
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Post by SF on May 4, 2011 19:03:58 GMT -5
why does christian need it to mean something to olli to fight for him?! doesn't olli mean enough to him to make fighting for their relationship inevitable?! what he's gonna back down just in case olli might never come round?! christian is a twit sometimes. and he constantly needs to be centre of attention. he won't work on/fight for their relationship in any real way unless he knows olli's paying attention and will come round one day!! he needs to know he's still the centre of olli's world before he demeans himself by fighting. it's a really unattractive trait. it's what got him in the mess with rebecca last year, and into jessica this year. if anyone shows him attention he loves it, and can't help but reciprocate, if they don't he can't be bothered. and what's all this "i'll wait for you." WAIT for what?!?! olli shouldn't have to do anything. it's all on christian's back as far as i'm concerned. he still hasn't realised how much he's hurt olli!! - that he'd question that olli can't take the jessica thing, just astounds me. i think he literally thinks now he's got a ring on olli's finger, it's ollis job to put up with ANYTHING christian might come up with. christian needs some time out to grow up and look up the definition of 'marriage'.
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Post by jos87 on May 4, 2011 19:09:22 GMT -5
Sf for me when Christian says that sentences was referred to the fact that he can wait,he can fight,he can continue to love him everyday only if Olli believes in him,in his love,in what he says; and i think that this is right.Why continue to fight for someone that never will believe in what you do or what you say? Christian knows that Olli needs time to can have trust in him;but at a certain time if Olli will show a close towards him, i can understand if Christian will stop to fight
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Post by SF on May 4, 2011 19:20:24 GMT -5
so soon? how has he tried to regain olli's trust, other than his endless repetition of words? "i'm sorry." said with so little passion it might not as well have been said at all. he needs to show olli his love and dedication. start by turning girls like kim away as soon as he suspects what they're up to. stop getting drunk. stop being so uncommunicative. stop kissing women. because it's not just jessica he's apologising for is it? its every time he's ever said it will never happen again - and then let it happen. olli is the only one who's fought and sacrificed.
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Post by jos87 on May 4, 2011 19:33:47 GMT -5
so soon? how has he tried to regain olli's trust, other than his endless repetition of words? "i'm sorry." said with so little passion it might not as well have been said at all. he needs to show olli his love and dedication. start by turning girls like kim away as soon as he suspects what they're up to. stop getting drunk. stop being so uncommunicative. stop kissing women. because it's not just jessica he's apologising for is it? its every time he's ever said it will never happen again - and then let it happen. olli is the only one who's fought and sacrificed. but have we seen the same episode or what? Christian doesn't say that he know will stop to fight for Olli. he will do(obviously only if Olli with the time will believe in what he says or does) but now he respect Olli's decision( infact at the end he says that maybe the best thing to do is to live separated;but i'm sure that he doesn't think this).He knows that Olli need time and he will give time to him. And during this time he will continue to love Olli but respecting his decision. -And now how he can show to Olli love and dedication if Olli doesn't want Christian with him?he must became a stalker? He must kill Jessica? what? Please judge all this story with objectivity. The thing that bother me more is that seem that i defend Christian because I prefer him respect to Olli;and this is not true because i like them in the same way.But when i read this thing i can't stop myself to defend Christian -And why he must turn away other women? the important thing is that he will remain faithful to him.He must to remove the women from his life because his husband is afraid that he is in woman again? please!
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Post by luckycharm on May 4, 2011 19:47:33 GMT -5
Most important, first things first, Charlie's Chrolli's ANGELS: Joanna, MercuryMay, and Ivan! Danke! Danke! Danke! *** !!!IGNORE THIS POST IF YOU WANT TO AVOID NEGATIVITY!!! Now, on to the episode. Sad episode, although I thought I'd be more emotionally moved, I kinda wasn't. Jo's performance was pretty much the only thing that pulled in my emotions in this episode. The dialogue failed. The plot was flimsy. Thore was okay, but, some parts made me cringe/laugh out loud so hard! E.g., Christian's face: 1:52-1:57 LMAO! WTF is that? Is Thore trying to give him "loving eyes"? He looks cheesy as hell!!! I felt awkward for Thore at that moment, and gotta admit, I kinda cringed at that acting (as I usually do when watching cheesy stuff). And, ofc, Thore's slight head-nod he always does to portray, "Yes, yes, this is right!" in romantic scenes, esp after kissing. And, that annoying singing from their wedding....out of all the parts they could have chosen from their wedding day to reminisce, for Olli to REFLECT UPON with regards to the CURRENT CRISIS...... LIKE...oh...I dunno.......CHRISTIAN'S VOW, "YOU'VE SHOWN ME WHO I REALLY AM"........no, no.....they had to choose the awful, cheesy, can't sing-sounds like a conference of crows, a cappella part. Although the Andi and Helena part made sense because it's a foursome SL, this Jessica debacle. Overall, meh. I am realizing that I build my expectations with the episodes too high when I see the spoilers threads/pics and as such, I am, way more often than not, let down. Tom Chroust, you failed me today. Not cool, dude, not cool. /Lucky Downer On a positive note - Olli has finally slammed the door on Christian's face; it was long overdue. Thank you Olli/Jo for redeeming this episode.
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Post by jos87 on May 4, 2011 20:01:12 GMT -5
And, that annoying singing from their wedding....out of all the parts they could have chosen from their wedding day to reminisce, for Olli to REFLECT UPON with regards to the CURRENT CRISIS...... LIKE...oh...I dunno.......CHRISTIAN'S VOW, "YOU'VE SHOWN ME WHO I REALLY AM"[/u]........no, no.....they had to choose the awful, cheesy, can't sing-hurting my ears, a cappella part. /Lucky Downer[/quote] good observation.Why they don't show that part? was the most appropriated for Olli at that moment.But maybe is better in this way,do you know why?Because the writers would put out from Olli's mouth that maybe Christian was thinking about Coco when he said that sentence at the marriage. About the episode i'm not agree with you because i liked it (even i have expressed my concerns about some of the dialogues). But i think that this is a matter of taste and is interesting to know all our opinions.
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Post by Trish on May 4, 2011 20:23:35 GMT -5
When we first saw the video, there was singing on it. I don't remember it, but I think the singing was during most of the tape. Besides that, Olli obviously had been sitting there a while, so he probably listen to all that part before Chrisitan got there. I think you hit the nail on the head, that they wanted the Helena/Andi part to be playing, that's why they allowed you to hear that part during the scene.
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Post by sonia38 on May 4, 2011 20:30:56 GMT -5
I loved that song, sure it was cheesy but it was quite appropriate. Where there is love, I'll be there and they will be there again for each other. Sorry the episode was not what you expected but I loved it.
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Post by joanna on May 4, 2011 20:42:19 GMT -5
*shouldn't still be at her computer!*
I don't know how deliberate or not this was (possibly not at all, but I'll run with this anyway!), but note that at the exact moment when they both put a hand to the door, in the exact same spot and at the exact same time, the overlaid lyric goes "Do you love me?"...So the lyric asks the question, as it had done in the previous scene, and Christian and Thore give the audience the answer as to just how much with their last moments in the episode...and indeed to the very last moment, as the lyric still asks the question as they both sit against the door, totally heartbroken and desperately missing the other one at the exact same moment...
Those last moments were so "Yes, these two belong together and we know it"...
Nite nite, y'all!x
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Post by LadyArmand on May 4, 2011 21:01:35 GMT -5
*shouldn't still be at her computer!* I don't know how deliberate or not this was (possibly not at all, but I'll run with this anyway!), but note that at the exact moment when they both put a hand to the door, in the exact same spot and at the exact same time, the overlaid lyric goes "Do you love me?"...So the lyric asks the question, as it had done in the previous scene, and Christian and Thore give the audience the answer as to just how much with their last moments in the episode...and indeed to the very last moment, as the lyric still asks the question as they both sit against the door, totally heartbroken and desperately missing the other one at the exact same moment... Those last moments were so "Yes, these two belong together and we know it"... Nite nite, y'all!x What I really like about reading your all of your posts is that you are optimistic, but not blindly so.
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Post by luckycharm on May 4, 2011 21:16:11 GMT -5
good observation.Why they don't show that part? was the most appropriated for Olli at that moment.But maybe is better in this way,do you know why? Because the writers would put out from Olli's mouth that maybe Christian was thinking about Coco when he said that sentence at the marriage. Heh, maybe. Although Coco got nixed cuz Christian found out who he really was cuz of Coco's replacement, Olli, so it's counter-logical...so, yeah, in agreement.... When we first saw the video, there was singing on it. I don't remember it, but I think the singing was during most of the tape. Besides that, Olli obviously had been sitting there a while, so he probably listen to all that part before Chrisitan got there. We could add in a lot of fillers for whatever may or may not have happened off-screen....but the show has X # of minutes devoted to the scenes. There's a conscious reason certain scenes are being chosen to be explicitly shown, like showing the church choir, to convey a certain message. That conscious decision could have been better thought out, from my perspective, with regards to what it is they were aiming to convey. Chrolli's pledge and devotion of their love to one another, and since Olli was obviously the primary audience rewatching it....it serves a purpose with regards to Olli's doubt/psyche at that moment. Cutting out the choir rising and singing, and filling that in with Christian's tiny line, while he slips the ring of devotion on Olli....IMO, would have better captured the sentiment. Christian walking in and seeing Olli watching their wedding video, I liked how he got a bit shy, but I thought it was meant to show that Christian realizes Olli is remembering again who they were. Who HE was (hopefully, still is) to Olli. So again, Christian's vow would have been on-point. But....to each their own....it obviously worked, as it resonated with other viewers: I loved that song, sure it was cheesy but it was quite appropriate. Where there is love, I'll be there and they will be there again for each other. Sorry the episode was not what you expected but I loved it. Yeah, VL likes to make a lot of their grand statements through songs/song lyrics. So they can be lazy with their actual dialogue . I think that was the logic they used when editing which parts of Chrolli's wedding video to re-show.....cuz of the lyrics (cuz it definitely wasn't because of the singing ) About the episode i'm not agree with you because i liked it (even i have expressed my concerns about some of the dialogues). But i think that this is a matter of taste and is interesting to know all our opinions. *shouldn't still be at her computer!* I don't know how deliberate or not this was (possibly not at all, but I'll run with this anyway!), but note that at the exact moment when they both put a hand to the door, in the exact same spot and at the exact same time, the overlaid lyric goes "Do you love me?"...So the lyric asks the question, as it had done in the previous scene, and Christian and Thore give the audience the answer as to just how much with their last moments in the episode...and indeed to the very last moment, as the lyric still asks the question as they both sit against the door, totally heartbroken and desperately missing the other one at the exact same moment... Those last moments were so "Yes, these two belong together and we know it"... Yes, the ending was definitely the highlight of the episode (along with Jo's performance from start to finish). Separated by the walls...so close yet so far. And, again, the lyrics being used to "tell", VL's MO. Definitely. I also liked a line of the dialogue uttered by Christian near the end, a simple line, but loaded, 6:03, "I've got everything." *Christian pauses and looks longingly at Olli* [inner Christian monologue: except you....ask me, ask me, to stay. Stop me from leaving without you] ^ I gotta give a nod to Thore for the end few seconds of today's clips. He did well there.
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Post by pru on May 4, 2011 21:32:02 GMT -5
so soon? how has he tried to regain olli's trust, other than his endless repetition of words? "i'm sorry." said with so little passion it might not as well have been said at all. he needs to show olli his love and dedication. start by turning girls like kim away as soon as he suspects what they're up to. stop getting drunk. stop being so uncommunicative. stop kissing women. because it's not just jessica he's apologising for is it? its every time he's ever said it will never happen again - and then let it happen. olli is the only one who's fought and sacrificed. Brava, SF! Everything you've said is EXACTLY how I'm feeling about the situation. And were you annoyed as well when Olli and Christian talked about the Kim thing and Christian acted like he had no choice in what went down. The second he knew her young ass was trying to hit on him, IN HIS and OLLI'S HOME, he should have shut her down and showed her ass the door. But what did he do instead? He was flattered by her attention and flirted alittle bit with her as well. I also was astounded that he asked Olli did he trust him? It makes me wonder does he ever think before he speaks. Christian cheated three weeks ago, Olli wounds are still fresh and bleeding, WTF is he even thinking. And I know that Olli said he didn't know, but he doesn't and I wish he would have just said so. I really hated that they slept together but I know it was because Olli wasn't thinking straight he was only reacting to the moment and from watching their wedding dvd. I also was shaking my head in wonder when Christian actually believed because they slept together that everything is settled and fine between them. That's why I was glad that Olli realized they needed time apart and Christian left, because having to see and be around him this soon everyday was wearing on Olli and you could tell.
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Post by chrolliforever7 on May 4, 2011 21:40:03 GMT -5
so soon? how has he tried to regain olli's trust, other than his endless repetition of words? "i'm sorry." said with so little passion it might not as well have been said at all. he needs to show olli his love and dedication. start by turning girls like kim away as soon as he suspects what they're up to. stop getting drunk. stop being so uncommunicative. stop kissing women. because it's not just jessica he's apologising for is it? its every time he's ever said it will never happen again - and then let it happen. olli is the only one who's fought and sacrificed. AMMMMMMMMEN! Could not agree more with you!
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Post by phoenix-feather on May 4, 2011 22:18:15 GMT -5
today's episode will be marked in [glow=red,2,300]golden letters in Chrolli history[/glow]......Jo and Thore.....gr8 job man....especially Olli's choking and Christian's longing and desperate looks....... now make some room for the shallow talk....as most have pointed out already....the 'love' scene we saw in the preview was a completely different take from what we saw in the episode.....watch Christian's left arm going on Olli's neck closely in both and you'll know.
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Post by Trish on May 4, 2011 22:44:25 GMT -5
Yes it is different and I think that it was edited that way on purpose. If you look at the preview scene, Olli is really kind of being the aggressor in the love making. Taking off Chrisitan's sweater and what not. In the scene that aired with the show, it was more mutual, where they were drawn to each other. With the first scene, Olli getting wondering if Christian thought things would be okay after hitting the sack would seem strange, since in was the one that wanted it. The second way, with them just drawn to each other, it was a mutual act that although good, was not enough to solve thier problems. I think it's the way the director wanted things percieved.
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Post by phoenix-feather on May 4, 2011 22:52:23 GMT -5
Trishhmmm......yea i totally agree.....the scene in the episode was very sweet and the one in the preview was very hot!!!
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