gelybi
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Post by gelybi on May 3, 2011 19:57:57 GMT -5
Thanks MM for the last vids, hope you had a good time! Thanks Joanna for the caps and for your unending positivity! God...Olli is so messed up, my poor baby... (I am too with this sl) This time I'm not angry with Christian's actions, he was sweet today with Olli and clearly direct sending Kim packing . If Olli were in a normal state of mind, he'd been laughing at her Christian was not really flirting, for me he was just being nice as Rebecca said, he was uncomfortable (understatement, he was about to flee!) waiting with Kim there and didn't want to be too rude to Dana's sister. And I liked the first response to her flirting was saying he was married and his husband live there too ...of course Olli was not allowed to hear it . Christian problem now as far as I can see from this episode is that he's not yet aware how deeply hurt Olli is, to the point of doubting his love from the beginning . He doesn't really know what to do to make it up to Olli This Olli's doubts come (as he said himself) from his desperate fear of losing Christian. Christian's stupidity and his constant downplaying of the consequences of his faults come from the need to feel that everything is right again, because of his desperate fear of losing Olli.So sad...
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LadyArmand
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Post by LadyArmand on May 3, 2011 20:03:01 GMT -5
I think Olli is hurt and he has a right to be hurt. He also has a right to his doubts. Everytime Christian is upset with Olli, or annoyed he ends up doing something stupid and usually it involves a woman. That does not give condifence to your partner. I believe that Christian loves Olli with his whole heart. But Olli is right there are some hard questions that Christain has to ask himself. Like why is it that everytime he and Olli fight he ends up doing the one thing somewhere deep down he knows will hurt Olli the most? And until he does, there is nothing he can do to still those doubts Olli has about their relationship. Right now as much as Olli loves Christian, he doesn't feel safe emotionally with him. As much as he wants everything they have to stay the way it has been these past three years he knows that it can never be that way again. That there has to be something new that comes out of this. This time he has to know nto just believe that Christian is with him for the right reasons and that he loves him and only him.
And while Olli may be bisexual, from what I've seen of his charcater (and someone please correct me if I'm wrong), all of his love relationship (lt) have been with men. The first I think was Tom, after Ulli left. So while he may have dated women, Olli gets serious (love wise) only in relationship with men. And since he as been with Christian, we haven't seen Olli even flirting with women have we, let alone kissing one romantically either drunk or sober.
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Trish
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Post by Trish on May 3, 2011 20:08:04 GMT -5
If he feels that Chrisitan needs to do some soul searching and needs to figure himself out, then why wouldn't he want to do therapy. That's a good way for Chrisitan to talk things out, because they certainly aren't talking to each other. I think that Olli is beyond doubts. I think he feels that Christian is truly into women and that he's just fooling himself, so there would be no point to talking to anyone.
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LadyArmand
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Post by LadyArmand on May 3, 2011 20:29:49 GMT -5
If he feels that Chrisitan needs to do some soul searching and needs to figure himself out, then why wouldn't he want to do therapy. That's a good way for Chrisitan to talk things out, because they certainly aren't talking to each other. I think that Olli is beyond doubts. I think he feels that Christian is truly into women and that he's just fooling himself, so there would be no point to talking to anyone. Because it's kind of a double edged sword isn't it. He wants Christian to figure it out but at the same time he's terrfied of what that could actually mean. He wants things to get better or he wouldn't have gone after Christian after the wedding, yet he doesn't know how to get past this. Its like every time he thinks he's making progress in that direction something happens and all those doubts that he deosn't want to have come screaming back at him with a vengence. It doesn't help matters that at this point Christian can't or won't see just how not hurt but devastated Olli is by all of this. They lose Lilly, Olli buries that hurt and tries to give Christain what he wants, or more to the point he tries to convince himself he wants that too. And just when he thinks okay he should talk to Christian about how he really feels, Christian tells him about his drunken night of whatever the hell it was. So there is this new wound on top on an older one which hasn't really healed yet. And so now every time he sees Christain with a woman it's like somone is pouring salt into that wound and rubbing it in. It never gets to crust over and start to heal, its like he's geting cut over and over again the same place. Its still bleeding and he doesn't know yet how to stop it. Olli hasn't gotten to the point yet where he realizes he's putting a band aide on a gun shot wound. He doesn't know how to fix this and in his mind Christain certainly doesn't. To they are at a stalemate. No mater what Christain does at this point, it only ends up hurting Olli more and putting more distance between them, not that he means to, not that he even intends so. But meaning to doesn't change the result. Doesn't make his husband hurt any less or get them any closer to being where they both want to be, which is in each others arms.
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Post by sonia38 on May 3, 2011 21:32:48 GMT -5
And so the drama begins. Olli is so out there with doubt that he actually believes that the last three years with Christian has been a lie. I know he is really in pain right now and when he thinks clearly he will see that he's definitely mistaken.
Kim, what a presumptuous young lady to go a make a move on a married man in his own home, Christian was way too nice to her. I don't know what she thought she could accomplish with her little display of stupidity.
That last scene says so much, Olli pulling away from Christian's touch, getting up and walking away, truly sad.
All in all, this was really a good episode, sad but good.
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Post by dalphine on May 3, 2011 22:16:16 GMT -5
I think Christian should have said something to fact that he was flattered, but he's not interested because he loves his husband.
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Post by gabyta07 on May 3, 2011 22:51:20 GMT -5
Ok, Im going to give my opinion in all this. First of all I dont believe Olli is bisexual. Bc in my book, its like this
Gay: attracted to men, fall in love with men Bisexual: attracted to women and men, fall in love with both of them Lesbian: attracted to women, fall in love with women
having a one night stand with women, doest make you bisexual. and we have seen olli having sex and kissing women, but only falling in love with men, so for me he is gay. I mean he was Coco's best friend first, or something like that...any bisexual or hetero would have fallen in love with her, but he didnt. Instead he fell in love with the homophobe boyfriend. Now, I dont know if Olli is in denial or what, but I dont think right now he can empathize with Christian, he cant understand him. For me Christian is bisexual, he fell in love with a man, he feels attracted to him, but he has also fallen in love with women and feels attraction. In sexual orientation, they are worlds apart. Forget for a moment that he cheated on Olli. The think is, that Olli cannot understand how Christian is still interested in women....when he can't, he has been only been real interested in men...women have always been a fling. I think he believes Christian lied to him. The thing he doesnt get, is that Christian can really be bisexual, and being with a partner doesnt mean you are going to stop looking. After all we are sexual beings. So instead of looking it that way, he is denying all the love they had. And not only that, he is being too cold, it hurts my heart, with how cold, he is being. I mean he said he is afraido of losing Christian, but if he keeps pushing him away, he would end of losing him for good. I know Christian did something really but really awful. And like i mentioned before, Chrisitan seems to have this pattern, when things get though he goes running to someone who listens to him. Like when he was with Coco, he started having problems, and ran to Olli...or like the Rebecca thing. There's this movie "When Harry met Sally"....there's a line in that movie that I really like, "Cheating is the reaction that something is wrong in your relationship" or something like that. So the problem is not so much the cheating, but all the miscommunication that has been happening. And also the insecurities. Like someone else posted, this should have been dealt with before they got married. And although the wedding was great, maybe it was rushed. Olli wanted to feel that Christian belonged to him, he really felt bad with the hospital thing, and he wanted to forget the almost break up, so like he does all things, he jump to the proposal. While Christian, didnt really want to get married, he didnt need a paper, and getting married to Olli meant forgetting about the picket fence, and the 2.5 kids. But bc he wanted to make Olli happy, bc he loves him, he did it. He didnt give himself time to think about it, and really process that his life had turned much different than he imagined.
Anyway, I hope they resolve this soon, it hurts my stomach when they have problems. And btw Kim is a B****.
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Post by fillelina on May 3, 2011 23:06:35 GMT -5
If your respect my opinion, you shouldn't feel the need to prove that yours makes more sense. I'm sorry, I don't wanna argue, honestly I thought we were having a discussion. I just felt I needed to clarify myself further and explain myself better, I didn't realize I was trying to change your opinion. Please forgive me for my stupidness. Thanks MM & Joanna!
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Post by ChrolliForever23 on May 4, 2011 0:47:06 GMT -5
Hi everyone, I'm new here. My name is Erica and I am from the United States. I have fallen in LOVE with Chrolli by watching them on Youtube from the beginning thanks to ichglotzutube and MercuryMay. I am now a faithful Chrolli follower through Youtube. Jo and Thore are amazing actors.
Now onto this episode, all I have to say is that last scene with Christian trying to touch Olli's hand and him taking it away was really heartbreaking. They both do sad scenes really great
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Post by jani on May 4, 2011 1:31:08 GMT -5
really good episode ...heartbreaking and touching . although that Olli's sentence was stupid formulated and it's all a bit exaggerated (I'm afraid that such an illogical absurdity we'll see often in this SL ) but I quite enjoyed this episode,Jo and Thore were adorable.I love them . I think, their acting is getting better and better (perhaps the only positive thing in this SL) unlike mademoiselle Jessica ....poor girl, she desperately needs some acting lessons ;D Christian was so cute ....after a long time I didn't have the feeling that I want to kick his ass ;D he was very nice... we'll see how long it'll last .
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Post by jos87 on May 4, 2011 3:30:42 GMT -5
I like this discussion. And i like the fact that no one here has questioned Christian's love for Olli. And i wanna said that the fact that Christian was not flirting with Kim is evident too;infact when he saw Olli in the other side of the door he doesn't look him at the way "Of fuck he discovers me!Now i must admit that i like vagina too" but he look at him smiling,like to say "Don't worry she is an teenager with a hormonal crisis in progress;i want only you![But i feel cool]"(e who would not be happy to get attention from the other?the important is to behave well and he did).Obviously Olli doesn't see it in that way;he is full of fears that make him losing his mind. Poor boys Welcome aaronjackson11 to the board Thore and Jo have once again proven to be one of the talentest actors in the soap
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Trish
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Post by Trish on May 4, 2011 8:22:41 GMT -5
If your respect my opinion, you shouldn't feel the need to prove that yours makes more sense. I'm sorry, I don't wanna argue, honestly I thought we were having a discussion. I just felt I needed to clarify myself further and explain myself better, I didn't realize I was trying to change your opinion. Please forgive me for my stupidness. Thanks MM & Joanna! No problem. This is a difficult time and we will all have different opinions. If we don't agree, that's fine. The important thing is that Chrolli are together in the end.
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Post by fillelina on May 4, 2011 9:00:08 GMT -5
I'm sorry, I don't wanna argue, honestly I thought we were having a discussion. I just felt I needed to clarify myself further and explain myself better, I didn't realize I was trying to change your opinion. Please forgive me for my stupidness. Thanks MM & Joanna! No problem. This is a difficult time and we will all have different opinions. If we don't agree, that's fine. The important thing is that Chrolli are together in the end. That's good to hear, twatts. And what you said in the last sentence is obviously the most important thing for me as well
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Post by valso on May 4, 2011 10:59:43 GMT -5
In this episode I think it's the first time that Christian truly realizes how deep is their crisis. I don't know if till this moment he wouldn't want see the problem or couldn't see it because blinded by Andi and his jerkiness. But now he can't avoid it anymore and he's totally caught off guard like he can't even imagine Olli behaving like that with him and what he said to Olli is painfully true, he really doesn't know what to do anymore cause never before he was presented with a situation like that. On a positive note, I'd think (from the preview pics) that I would have really hated Rebecca swooning over Christian and it wasn't pleasant for sure, but Rebecca is also the voice of the show, telling Kim (and viewers) that yes they had problems, they've been through crisis and it's not a good time for them right now but they belong together and there's no doubt about that. ETA: thank you so much Joanna for the caps and Mercury for the vid
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Post by mandalai on May 4, 2011 11:50:32 GMT -5
I want to say it was totally heartbreaking to hear olli questioning Christian's love. But I know is deeply hurt and can't think straight in my opinion olli saying therapy is a stupid thing is OOC. I mean, Olli is the man who told once he would have been waiting for Christian for a long time if necessary. He knew Christian needed to understand his inner essence so he believed in the power of introspection... and now he can't face a therapy maybe, like someone said before, because he is afraid to figure out C is straight/into women/whatsoever... Personally, I still consider his sentence about therapy OOC and it's a pity we can't listen to/watch some scenes with the expert because I think Chrolli are much more intereting to explore than Andi/Helena but not only because I madly love Chrolli but also because Helandi don't have the Chrolli important, particular stuff to talk about. I was totally speechless when Olli run away leaving Christian alone in the room avoiding his hand.. btw Kim is a bitxxxx and Jessica, too! did you see what does that bimbo wear to go to work? I wonder if she works in a office or under a street lamp.... the second one I guess ... btw thanks May for the video and Joanna for the pics!
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