Thanks for the heads up to the board, lies. I was able to watch the video for Friday. I'm not sure what they're talking about, but I love that Lucas and Noud are still close.
Felix just told Lucas he is in love with him. Lucas pushes him away, he is affraid to be rejected if he needs to tell about the hiv. Noud then tries to talk with Lucas: says he can clearly see Lucas has feelings for Felix. Lucas says he can make his own choices. Noud says: I support you, but just to clarify: You push him away because you dont have feelings for him, its not because you think he cant deal with you being hiv positive, which you dont even know for sure?
Do any of our Dutch members know if there have been any Lucas-Noud scenes since Lucas returned to the show?
yes, gtst.nl/#!/uitgelicht/verhaallijnen/18d32cee-da4c-49f2-a4b5-06f153b1f833 In this video Lucas tells Noud about the HIV. As expected Noud reacts like a true friend. He asks a few questions, says he is happy Lucas feels good, and then offers him a beer. Noud then asks if that is still allowed and when Lucas confirms, Noud simply says Lucas needs inform him a bit more. Lucas hugs him and thanks for the relaxed reaction. Apart from the party in which Lucas tried to tell everyone I dont know of they had other scene's together. Noud is mostly supporting in storyline between Aysen and Sjoerd, while Lucas has been telling his exes about hiv.
But how realistic is it that any of his friends or family will be anything other than supportive? It seems like manufactured drama.
I agree, but Lucas is apperently very scared to tell, and causes lot of drama as a result. In the spinoff he told lots of lies, pretending to be straight and even saying saying he killed Pelle and was hiding from the police. That storyline was very unrealistic and frustrating to me. It seems they are going to repeat this pattern of lying and then causing more drama in the real show: in the next shortie Lucas is trying to get a big loan from a bank, I guess to hold on to the story of winning the lottery. I think they need a continuation of his behaviour in the spin off to make those two stories match, just hope they do it in a more convincing way. At least now Janine knows and tries to convince him to stop lying.
Lucas came back today already. He threw a coming home party and was planning to tell everyone at once he is HIV positive. Janine already knows (Lucas called her a few weeks ago, she went to Utrecht to see him) and is very supportive. She advised him to be honest, but to tell people in more relaxed way. But Lucas said he could handle and wants to do it all at once at the party. He started on an emotional speech, saying he knows all his friends are very open minded, that they will still treat him the same. And that it could have happened to anyone regardless if they are gay or straight. But then he doesnt dare to continue and ended up saying he won a lottery.
From the spoilers it looks like it is going to take a while before he dares to really tell, it says on 6th january Nina figures out what Lucas secret is.
I agree with Hawthorne the mustache isnt the best addition, but Im glad Lucas is back. Also the way he tries to make a social event out of his announcement, not really thinking about emotional impact on himself and others, looks very in character to me.
Thanks for that news, lies! So Lucas will rejoin in the middle of the season. It would be great if he returns to Meerdijk just when Noud most needs a friend. I'm not sure exactly what's going on with Noud right now, but it looks like he's in some difficulty.
Yes, I agree it would be very good for Noud to have his old friend back. His friendship with Sjoerd is under a lot of pressure at the moment, because Sjoerd is feeling guilty about Sacha's death and not telling Noud what has happened. Sacha went hiding in a caravan after she heard Noud still loves Nina. Then a group including Sjoerd took the caravan for a joy ride after the party and crashed, they have been lying about the car being stolen since.
Interesting news. Lucas is coming back in gtst end of this year. Im not really watching the show anymore at the moment, but Im curious to see what they make of his story. Also Im happy for Ferry he gets a second chance.
Based on todays episode Lucas really seems traumatised. He had a panic atack and imagined being threatened and strangled. Agreed, a better taste in men would be better, but if this fear of violent men turns him towards woman I also would prefer him to develope a better taste for woman. This girl is very naief and clingy, I cant imagine he really is attracted to her.
I know most of you won't be able to watch the new show, but I always valued discussion here, so I'm posting anyway (I feel the need to vent my frustration) . I really struggle with the storyline they're developing for Lucas, because he seems to be hurting the girl he is dating on purpose. Even after he was outed by Sil, he keeps insisting to her that his past was just a phase and that his feelings for her are real.
I suspect Lucas' secret is a contrived way to enable him to come out of the closet in the new show. I bet we're going to see him living among and getting close to some guys who think he is straight. I'm willing to bet he becomes especially close friends with one of the guys and falls in love with him. Drama ensues...
I also expected something like this and that would be fine for me, but not when he keeps lying to the girl. And I also dont see this work since half the house already knows/expects him to be gay. I understood that Lucas is hiding because he hurt Pelle in self defence (again an abusive partner story) but why does that need to involve leading the girl on. I know all about fluidity of sexual preference, but I cant believe authors actually take Luacs in that direction, so he seems to be very desperate and/or mean and selfish at the moment.
I was wondering if you have a chance if you could translate those scenes in which Menno explains to Lucas the violence in his past. I believe these where the bedroom scene after Menno nearly hit Lcas but stops short. Thank you in advance for your time.
its the clip that's called "Menno kan de waarheid niet meer verzwijgen" (Menno cant hide the truth any longer) L: good morning, M what's that smell L: I wanted to bake an egg, M: no thanks I'll have a cracker L: I m such a bad cook, maybe I should boil them but than for how long
L: what's it about? M: Are we people now that read each others mail without asking? L: As if I didn't know you're fired, because of me. That is my fault. And what does ignominious dismissal mean? M: that i won't get social benifits and can't work for police anymore. I lied to them, and they are not happy about that L: You said your glove was mine, wow what a shocking lie M: it was more than that Lucas L: Yes that was my fault, but what did you do? And what did I read about another incident? M: do you want a cracker too? L: Is this about Nina's bag when Mike was killed? Did you keep things from me than? M: Lucas, let it go L: Honey, you're fired and that is my fault, but I will personaly make sure it will be a honorary discharge M: Stay out of it, I don't want you to L: Inspector Green should know you wouldn't do this M: Lucas you'll stay here, and you'll have breakfast with me L: otherwise we'll sue them. you are punished too servere M: You stay here
L: I only wanted... M: I know, and that is sweet of you L: I dont want this M; me neither. M: I dont want you to talk with Green okay L: you're afraid I'll make things worse M: No, I L: Is there something I can't know? about the other incident? Menno, you keep something from me. We cant continue like this, it is all complicated enough, and now you're keeping things from me. M: okay I didnt tell you because I thought it didn't matter. I wanted it to not matter. And when things went wrong, I didnt dare to tell anymore. M: My movement to Meerdijk wasn't a coincidence, something had happened. L: yes you met me M: off course but I mean the first time. At my former job, I had to leave, there was a collegue. He did things, lied, blamed me for things he did. It was an asshole. I hit him in the face, broken nose, lost a tooth. And in highschool I also hit a guy. If I get frustrated enough I loose control.
L: so this has been an issue much longer. And you didn't think I should know? M: Not when we met, I thought.. L yes you thought M: I thought everybody might hit someone in highschool and that collegue simply was an asshole. Which doesnt mean that you... Can you please come and sit with me for a moment? L: Have you ever hit a boyfriend before? M No, never. That's why I thought i didnt need to tell you. Only Roel knows. L: Why? M: Our father couldnt keep his hands to him either L You're father? but he is so M: It happened when we were small. Stress at his work, two kids, my mother that wanted more help from him. I remember getting out of bed because I heard him screaming, I heard a smack. When I came downstairs I saw my mother on the floor crying, my father was on the other side of the room, he jelled I had to get back upstairs. And that 's why I dont understand. I hate it so much. L: did it happen more often? M: if my mother said something wrong L: did he hit you as well? M: sometimes a slap L: that means yes M: that's why I knew from 9 years old that I wanted to work for police. I hadnt been able to protect my mother. I wanted to protect other people. Stop people like my father. And now am I .. myself.
L: all the time I thought it was me. That you hit me because I did something wrong, or said something wrong, or didnt support you enough M: that isn't it. it is not you. it is me L: How could you not have told me. After all that has happened M: I dont want to be like this. please help me. For my father it also stopped. so that is possible. I am not a violent person. I can control this, really. If you help me L how? M: I dont know, but together we can.. L: I dont know if I can help you. I dont know if I still want to know you
Lucas had no idea that Menno would react in stressful situations by being violent towards him. I get that it's not very interesting/exciting/appealing to see Menno and Lucas end their relationship in this way. Yet, I'm SO glad that the show did not have Lucas continuing to "stand by his man" and also continuing to take Menno's abuse.
I think Menno had no idea that he would react this way either. Menno has had violence in his past: his father was abusive, and he tells Lucas there were two incidents where he hit someone (in school and a collegue), but he never hit a boyfriend before. I think he still should have told Lucas about this before they got married, but I can understand him wanting to believe that it wouldn't be an issue.
since I think the scene's on wednesday are most meaningful and beatiful so I made a translation, the rest is just a quick summary:
So on episode of Monday Menno walks in on Lucas with another man. He is frustrated because he says to be very hard working on himself to save the marriage and asks if that is still possible. In the hotel he tries to phone his therapist but as he cant reach that he panics and breaks down the hotel room (impressive scene). When Laura is alarmed Menno concludes he has to leave Meerdijk and distance from Lucas. On Wednesdayin preview lucas goes to Menno saying that it didn’t mean anything with the other boy, he only wants Menno. Menno says he goes to Oberhausen on his own (job offer he got a few weeks earlier. They were thinking about going there together before Noud and Janine stepped in, because Lucas was only trying to keep Menno from being angry again) First scene: L: alone? but what about us, is this because of Casper? M: also, but not only L: you know me, sometimes something happens and then I don’t think and I do stupid things. But honey, we all act stupid sometimes M: I understand why you did this, and that’s why… L: Im sorry, 1000 times M: that’s sweet but not necessary L: yes it is. And apart from all, Im so proud of you, that you kept calm, when you saw me with him. If I saw you with someone I would have killed the guy. You are angry, I get that, but you kept calm, so Im proud of you. The therapy works and I will help you. M: Look around, most has been cleaned already. I’m not allowed to stay here, even if I wanted to L: But why Oberhausen, closer is also possible, I want to help you, really. You don’t have to go abroad M: This isn’t because of you. I won’t manage like this. I have to go
L; I said I am sorry. M: and I said its not about that L: so how should this continue, how can we work on our relationship if you are in Germany? M: I don’t know, but this isn’t working either L: nothing happened with that boy, you saw it all, a bit flirting and kissing, that’s all M: I cant do this, I cant be here and see you. I have to work on myself, I have to focus and I cant do that while Im here L: so you choose for yourself? M: no also for you L: for me? Fuck off man. I love you. I try to help you. I had to take so much from you and now you run away.
L: I didn’t mean it like that M:you did, and you can say everything, after what I did to you, you have that right L: I don’t want you to go M: I don’t go because I want to. I have to. You know why I fell in love with you. You are impulsive. You do everything you want to without shame or feeling sorry. You enjoy. I am always thinking, about everything, all the time. Only when I get angry, than I stop thinking and just hit everything L: I don’t care, you don’t do that on purpose M: I need control. But if Im here with you… I want to be with you. I want to laugh with you, about us together. We made a promise to each other when we got married. L: it is okay I will help you M: it isn’t okay. I want to fight for us, but Im all the time, all the time struggling myself. And Im afraid all the time for myself, for what I do to you, for what I will do to you. Every time if Im angry, or if Im afraid to lose you than… I see everything again, from the past. Pain, fear, feeling blame. It is too much. L: so what do you want now? M: I don’t know how long it will take for me to be done with my therapy L: that’s okay M: I don’t know if it will ever be done L: But honey, we are doing okay now, we are talking, we listen M: it seems that way but. It isn’t, it doesn’t feel right. You are my big love. Do you believe that? I really want to work on us, but L: so this means you want to go?
M: I love you L: I know. And that’s why I know you have to go. Do what you have to do M: will you do that as well? Enjoy your life. You can do that L: never forget this
Thursday Lucas asked Janine and Maxime to meet him in toko. Janine and Nina assume Lucas and Menno had a fight, but lucas explains he and Menno spent the night together as a goodbye. I liked to see how Lucas is supported by family and Noud, but after the explanation they are also understanding and respectful to menno. Menno has a present for Lucas to be opened after he leaves, but Lucas cant wait, it says: Always in my heart.
lies...can you translate what was going on in Wednesday and Thursday esp between Lucas and Menno. Can you answer these questions for me? Is Lucas and Menno leaving seperately and is it time for there characters 3 months vacation, and did they have them leaving together so they could return at the same time. Thanks if you can help me out on this.
In answer to your questions: they both leave in the thursday episode, but not together. I understand it is time for Ferry's three month break. And there is an exit interview from Dave on the site, so he is not coming back. Dave said in the interview that Menno still loves Lucas so there is enough reason for him to return at some point. But for now it seems Menno is really gone and Lucas will return in a few months on his own. I will try to translate later.
Pity to see the Mark hasnt been able to send any updates, I always enjoyed reading the reflections on the story here. So just to share and keep you updated: the storyline finishes this week. Menno realises he needs more distance from Lucas to learn to control his temper and takes a job in Germany. Lucas goes to stay with his father while Ferry has his three month break. Although I would have prefered Lucas to have a long lasting relationship for once, I do appreciate the way the story has been told. They show Menno's love and care for Lucas underneath the violence and they got a very loving goodbye.
I noticed some people worry about a relationship developing between Nina and Vincent. Im curious how much of the reaction to this story is culturally influenced. Although I think it might be a shock for them to find out they are related, I dont see much harm since they didnt grow up together and as they are only genetical connected on a distance, in holland cousins are also allowed to get married.
Hi, this is my first post here. I'm dutch but never followed gtst. A while ago I saw a bit of the Edwin Lucas story in the "Flikker op" show, and that made me go looking for more on internet. Thanks to Mark's uploads Ive been able to watch the whole story over the past three weeks, and now I find myself looking at the shortie for tomorrow. So thank you Mark, and in your struggle with rtl: you actually help to get more dutch viewers to the show too.
Im also really enjoy to read the discussions here. Ive never before really wanted to develop a story in a certain way. But I do want Lucas and Edwin together again. I felt so sorry for Lucas in the shorty, and I hated Edwin for saying Lucas is too dramatic when he is so obviously struggling. But I think they need to fight and really get away from each other before they could reconnect again. I really hope eventually Edwin will make the first move to get back again.