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Post by smash on Apr 16, 2011 18:35:22 GMT -5
I think the whole storyline is a mess, they want to create drama but all was so over the top that i'm missing the point. All Anton storyline is awfull, no matter how good is the actor, because all seems very plot driven, they wanted Anton to be a hardcore villain but then they wanted him to stay as a viable character and you can't have both ways. If the agression was only a punch and they showed his conflict withou all the "my son is not gay" this could work a lot better. And my main problem is than i'm on the verge of not only not liking Edwin and Lucas as a couple but not liking them as characters. Edwin is just bipolar, i don't know if he is adorable or a selfish jerk. And i have the feeling that they are pulling a Luke Snyder on Lucas. Luke was some kind of bad ass and a very strong character before Noah appeared, and then he became a whinning mess. Van Hansis had the ability of make him likeable (wich was an inmense merit to his acting) and i think Ferry could do the same with Lucas, but i don't want them to spoil the character. Lucas always had his flaws, but he is a funny and likeable character, and i don't like the direction this is taking I really really dislike to agree with anthony's colum on afterelton, but lately he has a point (the worse part is that he has a point on GTST, VL, Emmerdale and Hollyoaks, and to be honest i like it best when i disagree with him) Somehow I think that GTST was changing Lucas because there're much people who doesn't like him. (Anthony in specially) I got that Lucas was a bit little selfish, crazy wild guy on the sexuality's issue but somehow he got me, he was my hero, he shows what he doesn't give a damn if you think that he was wrong( in a special case about his sexuality) . So GTST showed us that new Lucas who would give anything to keep Edwin next to him and they showed us a stupid (sorry but I think so) Edwin who puts his daddy over his boyfriend. That's the reason because I don't think that Lucas wants a threesome, he wants to give Edwin what he wants and that doesn't matter if he was hurting himself if Edwin is happy. But I think that was a misunderstand and Edwin was a bit little stupid on the bar scene but he is a newbie maybe he doesn't know that guy on the bar was wanting him on his bed and Lucas isn't a moron and he thinks what Edwin was wanting that too.
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Post by smash on Apr 16, 2011 4:05:40 GMT -5
I just think that Poor Lucas, I think he thinks that Edwin wants someone else but Edwin doesnt want that. If I got that right way I thought that Edwin was a little moron, I mean he didnt see that gay on the bar's table was wanting something with him and there was Lucas and Edwin was as nothing wrong was happening here?? . Lucas doesn't want to lose Edwin, Edwin doesn't know what he want at all, but I know what he wants Lucas aleast I think so. I think Edwin will say yes and Lucas will try but he doesn't want to do that and he will leave there and he will cry at his mother what he doesn't know if Edwin loves him
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Post by smash on Apr 8, 2011 10:58:59 GMT -5
thanks mark. lucas may not be getting all the support he needs at the moment, what with everyone but his mother telling him that what edwin's doing is perfectly understandable and he should tolerate the situation. but he has got some nice friends. i don't know how wiet can listen to his all boyfriend drama so soon. i guess that's soap for you. and it proves she loved/loves lucas, as a friend, way more than she ever loved edwin! You hope that Janine is gonna tell that?. Because I don't hope that. Edwin was blocking him and he really doesn't hear Lucas. Edwin doesn't have so much time there and he even is making excuses for his father, I thought that Anton should change himself, not Edwin. Edwin shouldn't allow that from his father, You can see what Edwin really doesn't matter to have time for Lucas. If Lucas doesn't what he did soon or later Edwin will be far away from Lucas. (Anton is doing Edwin to do what he wants)
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Post by smash on Apr 8, 2011 4:33:16 GMT -5
Please tell me what Lucas isn't there by his will. I can't believe that. Lucas you doesn't need that
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Post by smash on Apr 8, 2011 3:23:45 GMT -5
firens maybe you are right about that but I think that isn't fair to Lucas, if Edwin says sorry for that fact. Lucas doesn't need anything to opens his eyes. He would be fighting by his father was a moron, not by lucas.
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Post by smash on Apr 8, 2011 2:33:09 GMT -5
Ohh my god that was worse what I thought.
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Post by smash on Apr 7, 2011 17:31:35 GMT -5
firens he is giving his opinion. I don't think he was overly pessimist. If you want to think that Anton is trying so hard and Lucas is wrong that's your way to see the things. I just think that Anton was acting so good what he is understanding how Edwin feels but I won't think that Lucas is wrong about what he says or Anton is a new good friend of their relationship. He asks Edwin to check for help. I doubt that he changes himself from the night to morning I believe you do not understand me. All I am saying is that it seems that very quickly on Friday Edwin realises he's made a big mistake and was wrong to say this about Anton to Lucas' face. Apparently he says so to Anton himself in very strong terms, probably by calling him a homophobe. If Edwin sees this so quickly, I can't imagine him waiting for one whole week before he tries and tells Lucas he's sorry. No matter how many exams he's got to study for. I'm sure that Edwin must feel terrible not just for having made Lucas angry and upset, but also imagining or knowing Lucas thinks he can be so callous or insensitive as to take the side of Anton. Now I got your point about that but there's a little thing what it doesn't match with my logic how will Edwin say sorry to Lucas if he still thinks what Anton did nothing wrong?. if it happens then Lucas would ask Edwin why he is saying that. Other side Anton is a liar, I still remember that he said Edwin what he just requests Lucas to lets Edwin alone by he's having exams. (You know on the episodie where Anton doesn't get Edwin is playing with Lucas, that's big mystery to me that was not resolved ). So I can imagine a part on April 13 and 14 episodes where Edwin calls Lucas and Anton is so nervous, He says that Anton didn't tell him nothing about that. Big drama from my point of view. I understand that You don't want them to break up for a long time but this is a soap and Anything can happen there.
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Post by smash on Apr 7, 2011 16:07:20 GMT -5
firens he is giving his opinion. I don't think he was overly pessimist. If you want to think that Anton is trying so hard and Lucas is wrong that's your way to see the things. I just think that Anton was acting so good what he is understanding how Edwin feels but I won't think that Lucas is wrong about what he says or Anton is a new good friend of their relationship. He asks Edwin to check for help. I doubt that he changes himself from the night to morning
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Post by smash on Apr 7, 2011 14:23:20 GMT -5
Well, Bianca is still the enabler. Thanks Mark for the translation. ETA: I might be off, but it looks like after Lucas storms out angry at Edwin, Edwin lashes out at his father for causing all this. I'm trying to guess what's not in the shortie. I think thats an excellent guess Me too. I mean that I would love to see Edwin to fight for Lucas.
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Post by smash on Apr 6, 2011 22:38:26 GMT -5
I don't think that Lucas will take his words back. On the spoiler where Bianca requests Anton to invite Lucas to "Great Dinner " he will state the same thing what he said. Good for him
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Post by smash on Apr 6, 2011 18:14:19 GMT -5
I know that Lucas did on the shortie, it was too wrong. But Lucas really does that becuase He loves Edwin and He doesn't trust Anton. Edwin doesn't forgive Anton by Lucas, he forgives Anton by himself. If Edwin gets mad at Lucas on this point, I will be disappointed by Edwin. I'm not taking any side. Because If I was taking one of sides. it means that I'm not fair. The reason becuase I am saying this is Edwin really doesn't think about them, He wants to be ok but Right now Nothing can be ok. Other words he doesn't think that His father was doing what Lucas said. I was wodering, I was how "You love him, You should understand what he is saying" But No He was blinding by his feelings to Anton. somehow he puts Anton over Lucas.
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Post by smash on Apr 5, 2011 11:47:15 GMT -5
akaroa9 I get your point but that doesnt explain why Edwin can't feel or understand Lucas feelings. It can explain why he forgives his father but he really think just himself.
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Post by smash on Apr 5, 2011 11:40:44 GMT -5
I hope that Edwin will hear them ( Janine and Lucas).
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Post by smash on Apr 4, 2011 3:02:50 GMT -5
LadyArmand maybe I can't understand Edwin at all because Edwin isn't real, I mean what all you who are saying that you can into Edwin's shoes and to start to watching what he is doing with the way Edwin thinks. I don't try to offend you but it's wrong, if Edwin is a teenager then he wouldn't forget what Anton did to Lucas because the love on the edwin's age is so powerful what he wouldn't do that till he breaks up Lucas. He should be feeling one love what many people here would feel when we were teenagers. The teenagers doesn't think much about things. One example is what you can search on the lyrics of many songs with different words of course. They talk about how they would forget at all by love. It include his/her family. The truth is what the love on teenagers is something what nobody here can explain. That's the reason because I can't understand him at all. I think many kids/teenagers on America would do that even without think about that. And when you think that happens on Europa it's worse because they are more independent of their parents. Hard to be true About Anton to me , he thought what he is trying to do with Edwin. Before the beating scene, he said something how what he is doing to Ludo, I don't think that's a masterplan, I don't think that he knows what he will do exactly but what he thinks what this is way he will get what Edwin and Lucas break up. Yeah
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Post by smash on Apr 3, 2011 13:16:58 GMT -5
To me, Rome wasn't made on one day And I think that Anton can't change on one day, his homophobia doesn't have limits
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Post by smash on Apr 2, 2011 23:55:52 GMT -5
firens I don't get what you are talking about, on the tv shows and music, there's a rule about ratings, it doesn't matter what they are talking about you (good or bad) while they are talking about you. I think that they are liking the ratings. On other side they are watching what we are talking about the show and I don't think that they would like what we are talking only what good is the show. And we are here, that's because we are gtst's fans. A little example, I don't really like Aaron and Jackson and you aren't watching me to talk about them. I don't think that you can say what really is being a fan. Because a fan is really who are following you where you are going. A fan can say what he/she likes about you or what he/she dislikes about you but if they are there for you then they are your fans.
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Post by smash on Mar 31, 2011 2:05:46 GMT -5
mmmm I hope that too but I doubt that he doesn't go. I really hoped that they break up. I wanted to see how Edwin fights for Lucas. it would be nice. You Know.... I would love to see Edwin have to really, really fight for lucas and their love..... where he'd have to make some choices and Lucas comes out on top. Lucas deserves that kind of love and devotion Yeah it would be nice, I mean it would be true love when they had fights, they kissed and then they had sex (?) . The begin it was nice but it is a bit little stupid to Lucas because we know what he loves him but Edwin really doesn't show that, he is a horny guy in my opinion if Edwin doesn't get his horny night and he has to fight for his love for Lucas. It would be better ;D in my opinion
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Post by smash on Mar 30, 2011 23:20:58 GMT -5
mmmm I hope that too but I doubt that he doesn't go. I really hoped that they break up. I wanted to see how Edwin fights for Lucas. it would be nice.
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Post by smash on Mar 30, 2011 18:56:50 GMT -5
I don't know what I should think about Edwin. My point of view makes me think that He's defending his father because He's mad at Janine by what she did but she is trying to help his father. First He gives us to understand that's his fault what Anton did at Lucas, then he grows up his voice on Janine's house against Janine. I think that He shut up himself because He doesn't want to lose Lucas or He knows that he can't do that there. I don't want to think that Ludo would do at him if he would see it. If I can't call that protect his father how I should call that. He really doesn't get what Lucas is allowing many things by him.
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Post by smash on Mar 29, 2011 5:39:37 GMT -5
But they lied about that and Probably Maxime(?) will talk about that and I dont think that she will say what Anton did that or Anton won't say what he didn't that. I think that true about that will come out and Anton and Ludo are going to seem assholes. I don't think that Anton will cover Ludo either because they dont seem so friends on the episode yesterday
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Post by smash on Mar 29, 2011 4:18:07 GMT -5
I think that Edwin will realize what Anton is very bad person by Anton did Noud but he won't have Lucas on that's time. Because Edwin mad at Lucas propably they break up by Edwin trusts Anton. But if I'm not wrong, I think that Edwin will be a moron to me ( I love him but that doesnt make me that I don't think that) because what Anton did at Lucas is worse that Anton did at Noud, in my opinion. PD: sorry for my bad English
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Post by smash on Mar 27, 2011 13:22:33 GMT -5
SF A) it's About Anton and Lucas, Not Edwin. He shouldn't try to resolve things. Because that's not family problem, that's illegal. Lucas should tell his story how he wants. B) I don't get what you are saying, Edwin is 18 years old he is a adult by law ans society. (on many countrys) He should know what his decisions and his actions have Consequences. What his father did to Lucas doesnt have explications C) A kid or adult can know what Anton did was very wrong, the age doesn't matter at all. He tries to explain that because he doesn't want jail for his father but he must not try to resolve that. When he stays on the hospital he gives to understand what his father can't say that they provoked him and when he talks with jack he says what he has blame about that. ? D) selfish is a word what applys for a kid or an adult. E) Edwin was supporting Lucas physically and mentally, now he isn't supporting Lucas mentally, he tries to explain his father that is very different. F) what matter if that's his first relationship? That doesn't change nothing. The first relationship can be the best, or the second can be. G) I doubt that Edwin doesn't know what to Anton that is very common to resolve things with violence.
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Post by smash on Mar 27, 2011 0:28:16 GMT -5
There are a few points I feel the need to respond to... From my point of view, Edwin has been being very selfish. He wants everything, he wants Lucas and He wants his father to accept him. But I think that in the real life, any person could break up with Edwin by that. I don't think that's really fair. It's natural for anyone, especially someone that age, to want to be loved and to want the acceptance and respect of their parents. I don't think that's selfish. Zathras, But I think that you are forgetting of the facts, it wasn't a simply discussion about being gay as in the other soaps, it was Anton who beats Lucas not Edwin. I can understand what if it was a simply discussion about being gay, he wants that and he isn't being selfish. Lucas wants everything is ok by Edwin not by himself. Edwin isn't thinking how Lucas is, He wants his father to accept him. In my opinion, Anton must gets what he deserves and Lucas is at all his right. Why Edwin can't see that? Because he is thinking about himself, he saw what his father was a beast. If he's blind by Anton is his father, that's his problem. he shouldn't try to change Lucas's opinion. If you aren't thinking about the situation is very common what you think that he isn't being selfish. But when you think that Anton was asshole who beats Lucas what is on your mind?. Now I remember when Ferry twetted a messange and he said what he doesn't know why Lucas is in the love with Edwin. Now I get that very well. And what about Ludo and Maxime, they must say all things what Anton said. If you think about Anton, you can't be sure what he didn't think about that. He told lucas what he must go away from Edwin (The Ass Episode ) and He told Ludo what He was going to do things in future to break up Ludwin. You can see what the violence to Anton is very common to resolve things.
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Post by smash on Mar 26, 2011 16:38:56 GMT -5
firens I don't agree with your opinion, Lucas has been there for Edwin since that he knew what he love him. it didn't matter to Lucas, if Edwin didn't show his love for him before. Maybe I was hoping more form Edwin as when Christian had to choose bewteen his bro that Oliver (Only his mind), he choose Oliver. Of course what Christian's bro really didn't mad for Christian being gay. From my point of view, Edwin has been being very selfish. He wants everything, he wants Lucas and He wants his father to accept him. But I think that in the real life, any person could break up with Edwin by that. Even I think that Lucas is too in love for him what He really doesn't think himself. I wouldn't say the same thing for Edwin. Edwin thinks that His father lost the control of himself but even it was true, He can do it again in the future. I really hope Maxime talks about Noud's accident, I want to see really Ludo's true face about this situation.
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Post by smash on Mar 25, 2011 15:33:42 GMT -5
Why does Edwin never think about Lucas? Maybe Lucas doesn't want that now but If I was Janine I would told him what if he lost control again. He really doesn't think so much, I think that I'm starting to hate Edwin now. I would love to see Stefano comes back and Kicks Anton's ass
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