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Post by Hawthorne on Jul 6, 2017 20:57:47 GMT -5
Valentin seems in no way grown enough up for a relationship with someone like Ringo. And yet that's exactly why a relationship with Ringo would be so good for Valentin. In may ways, Ringo is everything Valentin wants to be or that his father wishes he could be - which might be the same thing in Valentin's mind. Maybe the show will return to the previous jealousy that Valentin had for Ringo, only with a twist. It seems certain that Benedikt won't continue to employ Ringo after he learns he's been trying to seduce his son. And we know that a story where Valentin tries live up to Benedikt's expectations is coming. We saw Valentin get fitted for a very fine suit, which seems to be foreshadowing scenes of him wearing it, so maybe Benedikt puts Valentin in Ringo's role and pressures him to perform the way Ringo did. Of course, there's no way Valentin can perform the way Ringo did. So in order to meet his father's expectations, maybe Valentin realizes that he needs... Ringo. Maybe he starts coming around begging Ringo for ideas and help with projects he's expected to complete. Ringo agrees to help Valentin, but he wants payment... sex! Or maybe Ringo doesn't demand sex, but helps Valentin because he still loves him. And Valentin, because he knows he's taking so much, offers Ringo sex. I think it's more likely that Ringo would demand the sex.
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Post by Hawthorne on Jul 6, 2017 16:38:03 GMT -5
Thanks, Mimi!
I'm kind of OK with the Valentin-Ringo story coming to an end. If Valentin had been showing growing interest in Ringo or if intriguing cracks in his heterosexuality had been showing up, that would have been a lot more engaging. As it is, it's been a one-note story of unrequited love for a long time now. Every scene is basically the same scene with beautiful Valentin dangling just out of reach of the smitten Ringo. It's reached the point where Ringo has become fairly pathetic. So it's best that it ends. I've kind of soured on the pairing as well. Valentin is gorgeous and a real sweetheart, but he's not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer. He doesn't have any interests or ambition, as far as I can tell, and has very little depth or breadth to his character. A same-sex fling with Ringo would do wonders for him, actually. Maybe it will still happen somehow - who knows - but I think that Ringo would eventually get bored with Valentin. Ringo isn't that much older, but he's so much more capable and sharper. And he has tons of ambition. Perhaps when the bubble of his infatuation bursts, Ringo will realize that.
I'm hoping that they end up good friends that Ringo becomes a mentor to Valentin. I think the friendship would be good for both of them.
At least we did get some scenes of them making out and even got to see Valentin naked in bed with Ringo. They threw some nice bones our way as they told this frustrating story. Maybe Ringo will continue to have hot fantasies about Valentin going forward. That would work for me!
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Post by Hawthorne on Jul 5, 2017 23:39:30 GMT -5
Thanks, Mimi! Oh, No! Ringo got some bad advice and has misjudged the situation.
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Post by Hawthorne on Jul 5, 2017 14:05:30 GMT -5
Saw this on Facebook. This might be interesting for those of you who speak German. Both Aaron Koszuta (Valentin) and Lars Steinhöfel (Easy) will be interviewed by Radio Schwulewelle (Radio Gay Wave) tomorrow: www.schwulewelle.de/It's 19:30 German time. But it can also be audible in a podcast the next few days. A transcript is impossible, but I could make a short summary, if they are saying something interesting. According to the radio announcer release, they are talking about their storyline in Unter uns. Could be interesting. I'd really like to know if they give any clues the story is going somewhere.
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Post by Hawthorne on Jul 4, 2017 16:04:46 GMT -5
Thank you, Mimi!
That was a hot fantasy. Too bad it is just a fantasy.
I think this episode made it clear that it really is the girls Valentin is interested in. Ringo is in deep, deep denial. He's also deeply in love. His delusions will come crashing down at some point, but that still doesn't explain the point of the story. I think he and Valentin will end up close friends and I suspect they will go on holiday together - as friends.
I feel for Ringo. It sucks to be in love with a straight guy - especially one as drop-dead gorgeous as Valentin. To be so close and yet so far. Alas...
But Valentin and Ringo do make a good team. And Ringo is good for Valentin. Perhaps Valentin will offer Ringo emotional intimacy rather than physical. They can be besties.
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Post by Hawthorne on Jul 2, 2017 20:00:34 GMT -5
I refuse to believe that all this groundwork that's been laid between Valentin and Ringo is leading nowhere. Maybe it is not leading to them becoming romantically involved, but I think there surely must be a phase 2 of the story after the break that does something with all the groundwork they've laid. Perhaps the story becomes a tug-o-war between Benedikt and Ringo over Valentin's future - Ringo encourages Valentin to become his own man while Benedikt tries to maintain his fatherly control.
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Post by Hawthorne on Jun 30, 2017 15:10:29 GMT -5
The spoilers seem pretty vague to me. Are we to believe that after Benedikt finds out Ringo is bi and chasing after his son, that the story abruptly ends? It sounds like the beginning of a story to me. Ringo abruptly has no story? And Valentin segues into to a story about being daddy's perfect boy? That doesn't sound like something Valentin will be happy with. He is ready to start declaring his independence. I suspect they are setting Ringo up as a counter weight to Benedikt's influence. This was foreshadowed when Ringo asked Valentin if his whole life revolves around his father back when his and Valentin's story was just starting. Perhaps Ringo and Valentin won't enter a relationship, but they could still end up very close friends and Valentin could enjoy rubbing Ringo's sexuality in his father's face. I suspect the story continues in some form.
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Post by Hawthorne on Jun 28, 2017 22:06:08 GMT -5
I definitely see all the things that point away from Ringo and Valentin hooking up, and yet the show continues to tell a story that dangles the prospect of them together in front of viewers. Why? I had lost all hope that it was anything other than a tease until this past episode threw out a few glimmers of possibility. One is the way Valentin eyes Ringo after Ringo let him off the hook for a kiss. There's just something about the way he is looking at Ringo that makes me think he is seeing something that he's never thought of before. Perhaps he never really gave a thought to sexual contact with Ringo, but coming within inches of doing it has gotten a few wheels turning in his head. Another thing is how the episode focused on how alone Valentin is. Again, I have to ask, why? Why showcase that at this point in the story? The impression created is that Valentin could really use someone who loves him. And there just happens to be someone who loves him in his story line. When Valetin looks at the selfies he took with the two women, is he thinking about the two women or the events that followed the selfies? Almost always, when one character tells another character that they're not good enough for another person, that gets proven wrong later on. So while there are things happening in the story that point away from a Ringo-Valentin hook-up, there are also some things that point towards it. I was curious about Ringo accusing Easy of jealousy. And Easy's reaction like the accusation struck a nerve. Given what we know about what's going on with Easy, perhaps Ringo knows something about it. And perhaps Easy is jealous of Ringo or Valentin. Valentin's text is the closest yet he's come to expressing sexual interest in Ringo. He didn't ask about the girls. The women can change, apparently, but it's Ringo he wants to stay the same as last time. And "something like that" could be interpreted broadly. Given that we know Valentin is all alone and isolated with some lingering trauma from the shooting when he sends that text, it does look he wants a more intimate relationship with Ringo.
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Post by Hawthorne on Jun 27, 2017 15:55:34 GMT -5
So Valentin's reaction to the expectation of making out with Ringo was more nuanced than I expected. Yeah, he was adverse to it and a bit horrified, but there was also something else there - the way he looked at Ringo and the way his eyes moved to Ringo after Ringo had let him off the hook. He was thinking about it, I think. I don't think it would have been such an awful thing for him, really.
And then that scene where he's all alone in his family's flat. That scene seemed to emphasize how alone and isolated he is. He doesn't have anyone and - especially now that he's been through a traumatic experience - he really needs someone who loves him. And apparently while he was all alone is when he texted Ringo that he'd like to do another foursome with him soon. It's a little unusual for a straight guy to tell another guy - especially one he knows to be bisexual - that he'd like to have another orgy that involves him. I think the way they structured the scenes in this episode is the first tenuous suggestion that Ringo could be starting to mean something to Valentin.
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Post by Hawthorne on Jun 27, 2017 15:07:44 GMT -5
Thank you, Mimi! I'm going name all the children I'm going to have someday after you - Mimi #1, Mimi #2 & Mimi #3!
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Post by Hawthorne on Jun 26, 2017 17:22:06 GMT -5
I had hopes that the foursome would be a mutual decision by Ringo and Valentin and would be presented as a way Valentin was inching towards intimacy with Ringo. But that's not how this story is playing out. It's clear now that Valentin is not developing any desires for Ringo and Ringo has had plenty of clues about this. At present, he's deluded and is drifting into creepy stalker territory. (Although I wouldn't say he's stalking yet.)
In Ringo's defense, it not some horny lust that's clouding his eyes, but genuine love. So his motives and actions are innocent, IMO. All he wants to do is touch Valentin and express his love.
Valentin is definitely heterosexual, but that doesn't preclude him from becoming Ringo-sexual, I suppose. At least briefly. It hasn't happened so far and probably won't, but if getting with Ringo becomes the ideal way to declare his independence from his father, Valentin's attitude could change. Valentin seems very comfortable with homosexuality, so while he might not particularly enjoy sex with Ringo, I don't think it would disgust him or cause him any confusion. Anyway, I'm hoping that in the end he at least gives Ringo a sympathy shag before resuming his chase after women.
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Post by Hawthorne on Jun 24, 2017 21:35:19 GMT -5
Are they really going to take us so close to Ringo and Valentin having sex only to dash our hopes and dreams? Are they really going to take us to the mountain top, show us the fertile valley below and then say, "Sorry, you can't have it. You can have Easy at some undisclosed point in the future."
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Post by Hawthorne on Jun 21, 2017 19:05:29 GMT -5
Hmm... Valentin rebelling against his father fits well with what they've been setting up with Ringo and Valentin - and with the scenario that some of us have been suspecting, that Valentin is going to at least make his father think he's involved with Ringo to punish him for his homophobia (and probably for being a terrible father as well). Valentin taking Ringo to Thailand would definitely be a giant FU to his father - especially if Benedikt is worked up into a homophobic frenzy. Yes, Ringo and Valentin going on holiday together fits perfectly, actually, but unfortunately that could mean that Valentin and Ringo's "together" period happens off screen.
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Post by Hawthorne on Jun 19, 2017 17:45:19 GMT -5
Right now I think the best case scenario is that Valentin's father has such a violent reaction to the discovery that Ringo has been trying to seduce his son that it drives Valentin into a relationship with Ringo - both out of sympathy for Ringo (especially if he simultaneously learns that Ringo genuinely loves him) and to spite his father. It could be Valentin's declaration of independence. The obvious heterosexuality that we see in Valentin could be foreshadowing that such a relationship is doomed - but not necessarily that it won't briefly happen. I'm hoping that Valentin agrees to give it a try and Ringo at least gets a super hot shag out of it. Maybe then when they break up, Easy is there to comfort Ringo.
Interesting that there's some same-sex female action in that foursome scene. Valentin is surrounded by shades of gray sexuality. It wouldn't be a big stretch if he is not 100% black and white himself. I could see him being curious about it.
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Xavier
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Post by Hawthorne on Jun 17, 2017 13:47:24 GMT -5
This film comes and goes on YouTube. Watch it while you can. You'll be glad you did.
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Post by Hawthorne on Jun 16, 2017 15:43:22 GMT -5
I'm annoyed that after so much Ringo-Valentin build-up, it's Easy who gets the gay romance.
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Post by Hawthorne on Jun 14, 2017 8:59:40 GMT -5
Thanks Ron!
It does sound like they are setting Easy up for Ringo. Or maybe Ringo will go back to mainly women and Easy will be the LGBT character on the show.
I do think all this Valentin-Ringo focus is going somewhere, though. I think Valentin taking Ringo as his date to his prom as a political statement is possibly what the writers are targeting. Perhaps Valentin and Ringo will agree to pretend to be in a relationship because Valentin wants to teach his father a lesson.
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Post by Hawthorne on Jun 13, 2017 13:31:34 GMT -5
Thanks, Mimi!
If it weren't for that Easy spoiler, I would say that everything happening on screen points to them becoming involved.
I suppose it's possible we're misjudging where Easy's story is going to go based on that spoiler. Perhaps Easy discovering that his sexuality has shades or gray is so that he can tell Valentin about it, so that Valentin then begins thinking in terms of shades of gray. (Ringo's roommate did suggest recently that not everything is black and white with sexuality.) Easy seems to be a confidant of Valentin and Valentin seems to put a lot of stock in what he says. Perhaps it will be Easy who tells Valentin that Ringo really loves him and he shouldn't be afraid of following any attraction he has to him. Maybe the purpose of Finn and Easy almost kissing is simply that they needed a way for Easy to switch from saying things that made Valentin hesitant about Ringo to encouraging him to get with Ringo.
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Post by Hawthorne on Jun 13, 2017 8:51:27 GMT -5
I still have a bit of hope. The spoilers suggest Benedikt's reaction to finding out Ringo is trying to seduce Valentin has consequences for both Ringo and Valentin. So maybe Benedikt puts Ringo in the hospital and Valentin is horrified by this and rallies to Ringo's bedside. I feel that at some point Valentin is going to learn that Ringo genuinely loves him. Perhaps Valentin would get with Ringo mainly as an act of defiance against his father.
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Post by Hawthorne on Jun 12, 2017 21:32:30 GMT -5
Thanks, Mimi! Valentin sure is cute! Such a pretty boy. He looks like he wants to have Ringo's children in that scene, but it's kind of alarming how quickly he later turns on Ringo. In the latest episode, I didn't get the sense that Valentin took the drugs because he's upset things are going badly with Ringo. I'm not sure why he took the drugs, really. Anyway, him and Ringo being hostile towards each other at this point does suggest that the coming hostilities that the spoilers reveal might just be part of the up and down nature of their relationship. Still, I'm a lot more pessimistic about the future of this story line. It's really the spoilers about Easy that have me troubled. Also, I keep waiting for a sign that Valentin has feelings for Ringo, but it never shows up. I fear the show is just teasing us gay fans with Valentin and Ringo. I hope not. I still think it would be a great story line with Benedikt's hyper-homophobia and Valentin and Ringo would be a social media sensation that benefits the show greatly. Maybe what they are doing with Easy is to just to create some drama for Ringo and Valentin. Maybe he'll be jealous and try to break them up.
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Post by Hawthorne on Jun 9, 2017 22:44:57 GMT -5
I have to say I absolutely loved that last clip. Is it so awful that the Nissen gang and the balloon squad are partying together and getting along great? I agree that they've kind of swept the Even thing aside, but they did suggest in a previous clip that it was all a series of misunderstandings. The fight itself was also a misunderstanding. The danger of misunderstandings and forming opinions based on incomplete information seems to be the theme of the whole season, actually. Look at how badly Sana misjudged what was going on with Noora and Yousef. (BTW, I'm starting the get the feeling my theory about Yousef and Mikael being a secret gay couple isn't going to pan out. ) Looking back at how I was sure the show was going to do an indictment of Muslim homophobia and Muslim double standards towards men and women (and really wanting them to), I'm kind of glad the show didn't do that and instead is having scenes of the two cultures mixing together with no issues. I do have concerns about homophobia and oppression of women in Muslim culture, but at the end of the day what I want most of all is for everyone to get along in peace. I think a story that highlights the similarities and common behavior of the two groups and brings them together is a good approach. I was confused and frustrated for a while about where the story was going, but now that I see they were exploring the danger of misunderstandings, I'm OK with it. As I said, I loved the scenes of everyone having a good time together and I hope we get more of them.
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Post by Hawthorne on Jun 8, 2017 15:52:07 GMT -5
Yes, there were scenes inbetween, where Benedikt learned about Ringo working as a mole. They are not part of the clips. Why they are not a part of clips? I mean it's not directly about Ringo and Valentin's relationship but I think everything about Ringo or Valentin (even if they are not in that scenes, for example somebody talking about them) should be a part of clips. I do love mimi's videos I really do but I also would love to watch everything about them and even everyone near to them (for example major/important scenes about their families or friends) I like the most Christian & Syed from EastEnders' editing, there was a clip only about them and also another clip for the ones who wants to know more about their families and friends stories. You realize creating the clips takes a lot of time and work, don't you? What you're asking for would be a lot more work. Just be thankful for the selfless hard work Mimi has done to enable us to follow this story. IMO, it's not appropriate to want others to do even more free work for you than they do.
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Post by Hawthorne on Jun 8, 2017 4:04:58 GMT -5
It doesn't make sense to me that they would build up the pairing for so long only to have it come to nothing. I still have some hope because Ringo genuinely loves Valentin and wasn't just trying to get him into bed. Valentin has yet to learn that. I still kind of think they are going to the prom together.
The Easy/Finn stuff throws me for a loop. I'm not sure what to make of it, but Easy + Ringo seems a lot more plausible now.
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Post by Hawthorne on Jun 8, 2017 2:38:17 GMT -5
I don't know... there's still a tight focus on the two of them. The time to worry is when they stop having scenes with each other or about each other. They're doing some nasty things to each other, but at the same time ... things seem to be getting rather heated. That can also lead to passion.
It sounds like Benedikt might discover Ringo is pursuing Valentin. His reaction against Ringo could possibly backfire on him and help bring Valentin and Ringo together.
I can imaging a situation where Valentin takes Ringo to the prom to spite his father and while there genuine romance gets sparked.
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Post by Hawthorne on Jun 7, 2017 23:59:51 GMT -5
Finn as an escort could be a good story if it is played for laughs. If it's a dark tale of his decent into depravity, it will hard to take.
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