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Post by Hawthorne on Aug 16, 2013 19:34:34 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing, Mark! I'm excited about the new season. I think it's going to be a good one for Lucas fans.
I think I've figured out how the cliffhanger story is going to play out. Mike's parachute doesn't open (he might not die) and Menno has half the town as suspects. The investigation plays out for a while with different characters taking turns appearing to be the guilty party. But then it is discovered that the parachutes got mixed up and Mike wasn't the intended target. We can be fairly confident that the parachutes got mixed up because so many people who were supposed to jump didn't show up (Rik and Bing) or came suddenly at the last minute (Aysen). The sabotaged parachute was Aysen's, but it was already taken when she showed up so she grabbed another one. Aysen was the intended target and so suspicion immediately shifts to Bing, who was heard by Menno and others to threaten Aysen before the jump. Things look bad for Bing for a while, but he's a permanent cast member so of course he didn't do it. The killer (or would be killer) is Monica. She's a guest character so that's her exit story. She made it look like she was siding with Aysen by pressing charges against Bing, but that was a trick to throw everyone off her trail.
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Post by Hawthorne on Aug 15, 2013 8:17:43 GMT -5
I think, distracted by Nick, Gabi accidentally puts Ari in the refrigerator.
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Post by Hawthorne on Aug 7, 2013 19:41:42 GMT -5
I think it was Camilla whom Corday said would be airing into April. I do think Chandler is leaving, though. "Nothing is official" is not the same thing as, "I haven't decided."
I think Chandler is a good actor, but Will can easily be recast, I agree.
I want Wilson to get married simply because there has never been a gay marriage (that I can recall) on an American soap.
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Post by Hawthorne on Aug 4, 2013 17:59:17 GMT -5
I was pretty sure they wouldn't kill Noud, but it's nice to have it official. Nina and Wiet are needed for the love triangle with Noud, which hasn't finished playing out yet, I think. Aysen is going to leave the show, I think, but not before she is betrayed by Nuran, which they've been building up to for a while. Rik refuses to marry Nuran if she won't spill her secret, so that is going to come to a head early in the new season, I'm pretty sure. I agree, it's Mike.
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Post by Hawthorne on Jul 31, 2013 21:19:03 GMT -5
Well, Will caught Sonny gazing longingly at that brochure when he thought Will was in the other room, so I don't think Sonny succeeded in reassuring Will and Will's feeling that Sonny is giving up a lot for him obviously has merit. Will is thinking about Sonny, yes, but he's also feeling insecure a bit, I think. He seems flustered and unnerved by what Sami is going through and the feeling that people he loves keep paying for the mistakes he's made. I think this is all leading to a big dramatic moment - probably on the witness stand - where Will comes clean publicly about his crime. This thing about him feeling like he's made Sonny sacrifice so much is just part of the bigger picture, I believe. It's also the sacrifice Sami has made and the sacrifice Lucas has made. Will looks around and sees all these people he loves having their lives impacted negatively because of him. This is why Brent's interest in Sonny is probably not about creating the typical relationship problems between Will and Sonny - it's about pushing Will further along towards a decision, I think, to sacrifice himself for those in his life instead of always being the recipient of other people's sacrifices.
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Post by Hawthorne on Jul 31, 2013 20:10:50 GMT -5
Hmm.. it seems like if Menno was joining the cast, they could safely include him without revealing who dies. Anyway, that's a beautifully composed cast photo. I've always had the belief that you can tell a few things about an upcoming season from the cast photo. This photo doesn't seem as revealing as previous ones, but look how far away Noud is from Nina. That's one clue. Mike is in a position that would be easy to swap another actor into without upsetting the careful composition. In fact, if Menno took Mike's spot, the composition would make even more sense since Lucas is nearby. Hmm...
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Post by Hawthorne on Jul 30, 2013 16:43:07 GMT -5
Sonny was actually committing a crime by not bringing the video to the attention of the police. It doesn't matter whether or not Sami is guilty. That's for a jury to decide, but there was a police investigation into the killing and concealing evidence from an investigation is a crime. Even if you know the person is innocent, it's a crime.
It's true that the video puts Sami in a tough spot, but it also raises questions about Bernardi - questions that will probably lead to the police finding out what happened and why. Concealing the video was really about protecting Will, of course, and Sonny was willing to take on the legal jeopardy to protect Will. He'd probably give his life for Will, so what's a little potential legal risk? That's the part that Adrienne doesn't get - that Sonny is wholly, totally, hopelessly in love with Will. If Will goes down, he wants to go with him. But now he can't and won't, of course, because Adrienne got him immunity. Sonny is probably going to have to watch as Will is slowing pried away from him. When Adrienne realizes the weight of what she's set in motion, she will probably become sick with sorrow because potentially Sonny might never forgive her.
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Post by Hawthorne on Jul 29, 2013 23:28:26 GMT -5
So Sonny took Uncle Victor's limo for a joyride one time. That's interesting. I'm still loving Adrienne. I'm on her side 100%. Sonny would be wise to crawl back to his mother and beg her forgiveness for being so disrespectful to her. From Sonny's perspective, his mother is on a rampage to destroy his relationship with Will. I can see Adrienne's perspective of wanting to protect her son, but she dug her own grave with Sonny by being so hostile towards his relationship with Will before doing what she did. I felt like she deserved Sonny's wrath. What Adrienne doesn't understand (yet) is that concealing the video was to protect Will, not Sami. I thought Freddie did a great job today. The emotion building up in Sonny's face as he cut his ties with his mother was subtly shown. I also thought the scene where Sonny was pleading with Justin, repeatedly saying, "I love him," was very moving. Freddie's eyes are so expressive. It's true that plot-wise Sonny still orbits around Will's story, but the fact that they are writing such powerful scenes for Sonny suggests to me that they could be building him up to carry on the story after Chandler leaves. Sonny now has his own story in the strained relationship he has with his parents. If Will does get sent to prison, the focus of the story could have shifted by then so that we see Will's departure from Sonny's perspective and experience his pain. Adrienne will REALLY be in Sonny's dog house if that happens and the trauma of losing the man he loves and his ability to trust his mother could make post-Will Sonny a darker character. They would have to make him less perfect and more interesting if he is going to become a more central character. Perhaps Sonny will turn to alcohol. His new liquor license could be a kind of foreshadowing.
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Post by Hawthorne on Jul 28, 2013 19:57:28 GMT -5
This week's survivor is.... Lorena. That should make Hawthorne very happy. Ha-Ha! I figured she'd survive. Life is cruel that way.
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Post by Hawthorne on Jul 25, 2013 22:02:22 GMT -5
I've been thinking about what Adrienne did and I think it was actually a sensible thing to do in some ways. When she discovered the incriminating video, she also realized that Sonny knew about it and was helping keep it from the police. She realized that Sonny was at grave risk of being charged with obstruction of justice if the video ever came to light. He was participating in a cover-up and could go to jail. I can see a mother being terrified to see her son in that position. Getting the immunity for Sonny was the sole motive for Adrienne, IMO. And she succeeded in making sure Sonny is safe.
Once Justin gets over his shock, I think he's not going to be too displeased with Adrienne. He cares about Sonny far more than Sami, whom he didn't really want as a client. I think Justin is going to find himself very happy that his son is the one person who can't be hurt by this legal mess.
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Post by Hawthorne on Jul 24, 2013 21:38:41 GMT -5
And acting kudo's go to Freddie today, because when he saw Will handle that baby rattle - the same one that was in the hospital room with Adrienne and Sonny when she wanted Sonny to break up with Will - you could actually see the memory of that rattle and then the realization hit that it was him who 'gave' Adrienne the video. I notice that too. Freddie is a master at subtle facial expressions.
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Post by Hawthorne on Jul 24, 2013 17:26:41 GMT -5
It's a shame that some people don't post here any more. I'm sure, though, that if the story was more compelling at the moment, the forum would be a lot more active. Personally, I never got over the thrill I experienced when Will and Sonny first became a couple. I do wish they showed more intimacy between the boys, but I don't stress over it. It's all good. Wasn't that long ago that Days never had a gay couple. Now it's a normal aspect of the show. I still get satisfaction out of little things like that, but I understand that other people need more. I don't think it's so inconceivable that Sonny will have his own story lines after Will leaves. Everything is all about Will? Look who was the focus of the cliffhanger scene in today's episode - Sonny and his mother. When is the last time that happened? The writers are creating drama for Sonny and his family. I think they are transitioning Sonny out of Will's shadow. Freddie carries a scene as well as Chandler, Sonny's a legacy character - a member of one of the main families, and main proprietor of one of the main hangouts in town. I think all the ingredients are there for Sonny to flourish after Will. I really don't think they're going to fire Freddie to create a sunset ending for Wilson. I think people not posting here much has nothing to do with Wilson. Instead, I think it's personal reasons as to why people chose not to post. I just think trying to say people not posting here is a reflection on the interest in Wilson doesn't make sense. I don't think there's any doubt that if the story got more compelling, there would be a lot more activity on this board. That's what I was saying. I wasn't necessarily saying that the same people who left for personal reasons would come back if things got interesting. They are definitely focusing on Sonny more and his issues with his mother are likely going to be playing out for a long time - especially if it turns out that Adrienne has set in motion a series of events that lead to Sonny losing Will.
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Post by Hawthorne on Jul 23, 2013 21:41:13 GMT -5
It's a shame that some people don't post here any more. I'm sure, though, that if the story was more compelling at the moment, the forum would be a lot more active. Personally, I never got over the thrill I experienced when Will and Sonny first became a couple. I do wish they showed more intimacy between the boys, but I don't stress over it. It's all good. Wasn't that long ago that Days never had a gay couple. Now it's a normal aspect of the show. I still get satisfaction out of little things like that, but I understand that other people need more.
I don't think it's so inconceivable that Sonny will have his own story lines after Will leaves. Everything is all about Will? Look who was the focus of the cliffhanger scene in today's episode - Sonny and his mother. When is the last time that happened? The writers are creating drama for Sonny and his family. I think they are transitioning Sonny out of Will's shadow. Freddie carries a scene as well as Chandler, Sonny's a legacy character - a member of one of the main families, and main proprietor of one of the main hangouts in town. I think all the ingredients are there for Sonny to flourish after Will. I really don't think they're going to fire Freddie to create a sunset ending for Wilson.
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Post by Hawthorne on Jul 23, 2013 19:54:15 GMT -5
Looking back on the previous season, I have to say that for me it was generally disappointing Lucas-wise. I never really bought that Lucas and Bilaal had strong feelings for each other. Bilaal treated Lucas like dirt all the way through the story and then ended up leaving him. I wasn't sorry to see him go. Then there was a long period where Ferry was involved in projects outside of GTST and maintained only a fringe role in various story lines. Then the way the show portrayed Lucas as irresponsible and childish at the start of the Menno story infuriated me. Through it all, Lucas spending so much time with Lorena had me cringing. So yeah... disappointing from my perspective.
The Menno pairing does offer a lot of promise, though. For one thing, if Lucas has a boyfriend, he's probably not going to be hanging out with Lorena as much. Being older and very accomplished, Menno has the potential to bring out the best in Lucas. We'll see...
If Aysen is the one who dies, there's a chance that Menno is the killer, IMO. That's especially so if Menno turns out to not be a permanent cast member. If he's not permanent, then he's going to need an exit story... Again, we'll see.
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Post by Hawthorne on Jul 21, 2013 15:54:55 GMT -5
Well, Freddie's contract runs quite a bit longer so that's a barrier to sun setting all of them at once. They can get rid of anyone anytime they want, but it doesn't seem fair to fire Freddie just because Chandler wants to go back to school. Sonny is a legacy character, so he can exist without Will. It also might be too many young fan favorites to lose at once if Sonny also leaves.
I think the gay story line has worked out very well for Days. It's made them seem fresh and current and has drawn in younger fans. I don't think they're in a hurry to get rid of it. They do seem to be making Sonny more central and setting up conflict within his family. Those are things I would expect to see if Sonny was going to carry on.
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Post by Hawthorne on Jul 21, 2013 13:02:19 GMT -5
I think it makes sense for them not to recast Will right away. That way they get all the drama of Will and Sonny being torn apart. If people knew another actor was soon to be playing Will, they wouldn't get as much drama out of the situation.
I think Will is very likely to go to prison for shooting EJ. Sonny will blame Adrienne. But then maybe Sonny does meet another guy - someone whom Adrienne is more please about. And, of course, just as things are starting to get serious between them Will is released from jail. I think it could play out like that. Will gets recast, but later on.
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Post by Hawthorne on Jul 16, 2013 19:53:42 GMT -5
Rikki was the least likely to be the victim. Some people thought Nick could have returned and sabotaged Maxime's parachute, but that was a stretch. The victim almost surely was involved in an ongoing, high-profile story at the end of the season.
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Post by Hawthorne on Jul 16, 2013 19:09:03 GMT -5
That's weird that there are two gay Dutch cop characters at the same time from the same production company. That can't be a coincidence, can it?
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Post by Hawthorne on Jul 11, 2013 20:06:19 GMT -5
Yeah, Adrienne might end up being responsible - in Sonny's eyes anyway - for Will ending up in jail, if that happens.
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Post by Hawthorne on Jul 7, 2013 22:00:08 GMT -5
It would be quite a wild twist if it turns out to be Menno. Menno would be the investigator, most likely, but he'd also be the perpetrator. Pretty clever, if so. But if I had to bet money, I'd put it on Mike dying because he accidentally got the parachute that Aysen sabotaged for Bing.
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Post by Hawthorne on Jul 7, 2013 16:02:48 GMT -5
Well, in a way, Menno has the most reason to kill Aysen. He knows she's a corrupt police officer who has killed before and is in a position to hurt a lot of people in the future. That may offend and infuriate him greatly. He knows she has hurt and continues to threaten Lucas. Menno could be obsessed with seeing justice done - to the point of taking matters into his own hands when necessary. The point was made a couple of times that the Aysen case was the first investigation he's ever failed at. Maybe he's not taking that as calmly as he appears to be.
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Post by Hawthorne on Jul 7, 2013 14:10:31 GMT -5
I think GTST deserves a lot of credit for coming up with such a clever and intriguing finale cliffhanger. That final image of a person plunging to earth is very powerful. And now it's a wonderful game of trying to figure out who died and who killed. I love trying to figure out mysteries!
I think Mark's theory about Mike is still the most likely one, but there are some complications. The way they had the parachutes matched by number and name to each character makes it less likely that there was a switch-up. Aysen doesn't have a reason to kill Mike that I know of. Still, it's suspicious how they had Bing not make the jump at the last moment. There may have been a switch that we'll find out about next season.
Some people think Nick has returned and cut the cords on Maxime's chute. That's possible, I guess, but if Nick came back, I think they would want all the sparks from his confrontations with Maxime - something that can't happen if Maxime is dead or out of action.
The problem with Aysen being the one who falls is there's really only one suspect - Bing. That doesn't make for much of a story next season.
But is there really only one suspect with Aysen? What if Menno sabotaged Aysen's parachute? We don't actually know much about Menno and if it turns out he's not a permanent cast member after all, then there needs to be an exit story for him. I think it's very unlikely, but theoretically possible that Menno did it. He's knows Aysen is a murderer and did a terrible thing to Lucas. He might not be able to deal with his failure to nail her with his investigation. Maybe this is the real reason he moved to Meerdijk. It all can be made to fit, but it just doesn't seem to match Menno's character.
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Post by Hawthorne on Jul 7, 2013 9:23:59 GMT -5
I don't think they will write out Sonny. They do seem to be writing for him more, making him more central. A happy sunset doesn't have as much drama as an emotional farewell. The most logical occurrence, I still think, is Will's past finally catching up with him and he goes to jail. Then they can get all the drama of his return if they do recast Will later on. I think they will eventually recast Will.
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Post by Hawthorne on Jul 5, 2013 20:08:36 GMT -5
What should happen in real life and what happens on a soap are often very different. Regardless of the legal complexities, I think it's plausible that Sonny ends up looking after Ari. Even today there was a big focus on what a deep connection Sonny has with Ari. Why are they focusing so much on how much Ari means to Sonny? It could be that after Will and Gabi are gone, Sonny does lose access to Ari despite Will's desire that he raises her. That's a drama in itself. I just think this special connection between Sonny and Ari is going somewhere plot-wise. It is also very plausible that Sonny ends up without Will and AG. You are indeed a difficult diva.
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Post by Hawthorne on Jul 5, 2013 14:44:48 GMT -5
Yeah, Sonny would probably have to adopt Ari. That could happen before Will leaves. We don't know what situation Sami will be facing at that time or if Lucas will still be in town. It could be Will's wish that Sonny raise Ari. So it's easily possible that Sonny ends up being responsible for Ari. Nick, if he is still married to Gabi, could be the one who tries to take Ari away from Sonny. Nick wouldn't have any legal right to adopt Arianna Grace, if Gabi, Will and Sami were all in prison at the same time. Gabi and Will would have to set up legal documentation, stating their wishes for their child. Again: people who aren't biologically connected to a baby/child, under the age of 18 have no legal rights to said baby/child. If Lucas or Rafe aren't jailed, even they still have to go to family court, in order to establish their rights to raise/foster the baby, if both her parents are out of the picture. What should happen in real life and what happens on a soap are often very different. Regardless of the legal complexities, I think it's plausible that Sonny ends up looking after Ari. Even today there was a big focus on what a deep connection Sonny has with Ari. Why are they focusing so much on how much Ari means to Sonny? It could be that after Will and Gabi are gone, Sonny does lose access to Ari despite Will's desire that he raises her. That's a drama in itself. I just think this special connection between Sonny and Ari is going somewhere plot-wise.
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