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Post by camjakefan on Jun 3, 2010 12:29:51 GMT -5
I don't feel for Marc. He's setting himself up for failure going into an affair with Roman. He's asking for heartache. He should tell Roman if he wants to be wth him he needs to leave Deniz, not play this secret affair stuff. This is the same reason they broke up before because Roman would not have an open/public relationship with him. This is slightly different because Roman isn't in the closet anymore but same difference to me.
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Post by camjakefan on Jun 3, 2010 5:10:08 GMT -5
I was so happy for Roman that he could face his father, he's been needing to do that for thirty years. And it really looks like a weight has been lifted off his shoulders. I just adore the scenes with Roman and Florian, and the huge hug that Florian gave Roman. They both needed that right now. The look Florian gave to Marc when he show up at the apartment, even though he's not completely ok with Roman and Deniz. I still say that Florian is a Deniz fan when all this hits the fan. I still can't bring myself to watch Marc and Roman moments at the moment. I skim through them, maybe watch them later. I can't watch RoMa moments either, but I did watch the rest yesterday. I thought it was great the way Roman stood up to his father. d I'm with you Flo is a Deniz fanad it seemed like he suspected something yesterday. I have a huge problem with Marc the way he just comes into Deniz home to see Roman like he's coming to pick up his date. Someone said there was an eskimo kiss WTF. That is a DeRo thing not to be sullied. I just feel Marc is taking advantage. I know Roman kissed him but he is very vulnerable right now and Deniz isn't here to take care and comfort him.
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Post by camjakefan on Jun 2, 2010 16:47:38 GMT -5
Well the spoilers did say seemingly happy. He doesn't want to be separated from Deniz. I'm with butterfinger. This isn't Roman, I can't see him happy with Marc knowing what what their affair has done to Deniz. I see Marc wanting it to be out and like any normal couple but not Roman. Like he told Deniz a few days ago. He has no idea how much he loves him, he is going to be guilt ridden. I think this is what eventually will lead to their break-up. I'm also still waiting to see if they will bring somebody in the flirt with Deniz and at least for him to have a one night stand with so Roman will get jealous.
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Post by camjakefan on Jun 1, 2010 21:05:41 GMT -5
Does anyone know of any gapfillers for 772 and 773?
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Post by camjakefan on Jun 1, 2010 16:39:31 GMT -5
Thanks guys I was just wondering because I was watching old eps. and came across the one where he was gonna marry Jenny a few years ago.
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Post by camjakefan on Jun 1, 2010 16:37:09 GMT -5
Me too. The only way I can watch is when derolover or butterfinger gives an overview and I know there is no Marc and there is something that is recommended that I watch. Gotta disappoint you but tomorrow there will be lots of Marc. And lots of asshole father. -.- Thanks for forewarning. I think that's a day I'll skip. One of the episodes I'll watch when I go back to catch all the pain at once.
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Post by camjakefan on Jun 1, 2010 8:16:55 GMT -5
This isn't about Roman throwing away things or people. This is about Roman dealing with his demons once and for all and finally growing into himself. So far, we've only seen half a man. I can't wait to see all of him. I agree especially with the sucky father Roman has and we can see how he affected him when he broke down with Deniz about 2 weeks ago talking about his childhood. I'm loving the family stuff. Now we understand why Roman has such low self-esteem. Also why he always wanted to be number just once. I just hate we had to deal with Marc too.
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Post by camjakefan on Jun 1, 2010 8:12:37 GMT -5
I also like the way in which we see how differently Roman interacts with Marc as opposed to Deniz. To me however he seems to revert back to that very young man who was in love with Marc 10 years ago. It’s like he allows Marc to take the lead and where ever he leads he follows along helplessly. Yesterday he was surprised Marc showed up for “breakfast” and was resistant to him coming in and staying. But Marc smiled, put on the charm and it’s like Roman forgot who he was and where he was and only saw Marc. Roman is like an addict newly in recovery, the drug is right in front of him whispering to him to take one more hit, that he can handle it. That it’ll be okay. He craves Marc, he fears the pain of Marc leaving again because of what he went through before with Marc. But to me that doesn’t really equate love. When Annette and Roman were talking and he said he couldn’t stop seeing Marc, and Annette said but you love Deniz, really love him, Roman said or at least nodded yes. When she asked about Marc, he didn’t say anything. He hasn’t actually said he loves Marc or has fallen back in love with him. He wants him, he feels on some level he needs him. To me it’s not the same thing as love, to me it’s more like obsession. And obsession is dangerous because it’s dysfunctional. It takes you out of who you are and places you into a situation where you lose your definition of yourself. It re-writes you in ways you hardly recognize. When Roman is with Marc I see him as the person Marc knew 10 years ago. The problem with that is I think Marc sees him in that way as well. Marc has no idea who Roman has become, and it appears to me he has very little to no interest in actually learning who Roman is at 30 and what got him there. You see what I see. Roman always reverts when he's with Marc. I said before that to me these two are just dealing with old feelings because their relationship wasn't resolved in a natural way. It was abrupt they both loved each other but for other reasons not able to continue their relationship. i know someone said they think they are new feelings. I don't think so, they are just buried feelings. What real interaction has Marc had with Roman for him to develop real feelings beside one breakfast and maybe one or two conversations. From recaps given of the eps. I think Mark is being predator and going in for a kill because he knows Deniz isn't there and Roman is vulnerable. I also think part of this is physical and sexual attraction for these two. I think you're right that Roman fears he'll be as devastated as he as the first time if Marc leaves again. Marc was his first great love and those always leave a lasting impression, some people you will always love but not be in love or able to be in a relationship with.
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Post by camjakefan on May 31, 2010 17:29:29 GMT -5
Can anyone tell me if Axel has seriously fallen in love with Jenny?
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Post by camjakefan on May 31, 2010 16:09:01 GMT -5
Yeah the only good thing is probly roman/floran. They love eachother. B/c i want to fastforward when i see marc. Me too. The only way I can watch is when derolover or butterfinger gives an overview and I know there is no Marc and there is something that is recommended that I watch.
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Post by camjakefan on May 31, 2010 11:40:46 GMT -5
yeah it's part of the sl i'm looking forward to acully when deniz get to kwnon. And i hate cheating sl i just hate them. If DeRo had a open realtionskip i may had feelt a littel bit diffrent. But they don't so. If it was an open relationship I know I wouldn't have a problem. I am one of the biggest queerasfolk fans especiall Brian and Justin.
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Post by camjakefan on May 31, 2010 11:06:11 GMT -5
good thought iwas the only one. I need a report before watshing that that is for sure. I definitely don't wanna see it. I feel sick and my stomach drops everytime I hear about RoMa. I understand the importance of this storyline in relation to a gay character or couple. I know gay couples are never given forefront storylines and especially stuff like this. AWZ is awesome that way. They are always the happy couple nothing ever can go wrong. But I can't deal with the cheating even with straight couples. Once RoMa are together without Deniz in the middle of it I'll be able to watch. I know the one time ATWT tried to bring in a third party to interfere with Nuke it was a disaster because the writers wouldn't commit to the story. They barely let Nuke kiss, the third party could barely touch one of the guys. I know Dennis and Igor will be amazing along with the writing but I can't watch it on going I'll go back and get all the pain over with at once. i can't wait until the reveal.
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Post by camjakefan on May 29, 2010 7:19:20 GMT -5
I know they'll be back together. I'm just waiting for 955 so I can watch daily instead I when I feel safe and their is no Marc. I can't wait to see how Deniz handles their break up. Yeah he will be angry, I can see him screwing around trying to prove he's over Roman. I must see Roman jealous of anybody interested in Deniz, thereby making Marc jealous because he has to see that Roman still has feelings for Deniz. I can't wait to see the looks of longing between these two and I know the music will be awesome.
Am I the only one who thinks these two will have sex at some point before they actually get back together, that seems to be a pattern for them. They were physical with each other even when they weren't together.
I wanna see how Marian deals with Roman after the break up and he finds out what happened. What will Roman's friends reaction and interactions with Marc be like. As someone said before I'd love to see Katja play the go between for these two so, they both can find out how the other is doing.
Reading the comments by Pedris and others I feel better.
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Post by camjakefan on May 28, 2010 18:23:27 GMT -5
Thanks for updating. I hate these different rumors.
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Post by camjakefan on May 28, 2010 11:55:43 GMT -5
Can someone find out if this is true or just reported rumor. Help! I'm lost.
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Post by camjakefan on May 28, 2010 11:50:48 GMT -5
IMO, there was no closure for Marc either. I mean he didn't leave him because he didn't love Roman anymore but he couldn't bear it to have a secret relationship. Just remember that they were together for two years. That must be a hard time and I think you really love and care for a person if you stay that long. However, I agree that their current feelings for each other seem to be based on their memories but there are new feelings as well. I don't think that they just love the memory of their relationship but it has a huge impact on their current feelings. I hope anyone can understand what I'm trying to say. That's why it seems to me so far that they both first have to deal with this whole unfinished business before it can lead anywhere. I agree that they need to deal with the unfinished business. But are they new feelings or just old feelings that were never dealt with along with physical attraction. Because Roman said that he just finally put his feelings away and picked himself up and moved on with his life. But from my understanding from othera that Marc is agreeing to be a secret again, wasn't that the reason for the break up last time.
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Post by camjakefan on May 28, 2010 9:02:17 GMT -5
I think Roman's clingingness to Deniz shows how torn Roman is, that he really does love both Deniz and Marc or thinks that he does. (I really think Roman loves the memory of Marc and will eventually find out that ship has sailed). However we have to watch Roman make the mistake with Marc before he can realize that he belongs with Deniz. I'm with you in that I think it's the memory of Marc and that fact that the relationship wasn't ended mutually. There was no closure for Roman. It was just the letter from Marc I'm assuming I don't think it was ever really said.
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Post by camjakefan on May 28, 2010 8:42:31 GMT -5
I liked the fact the Adam was uncomfortable being hit. That would be a normal reaction. But I loved the fact that he pushed Aaron into going into the bar. His advice to Aaron was good too. He should let it go with Jackson and there are a lot of other guys out there. Although I do like Jackson.
I wish Aaron could shove the little prick from the community service into the water. What a jerk. Some people are so idiotic who cares if he like guys or girls, jerk.
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Post by camjakefan on May 28, 2010 8:17:23 GMT -5
Strangely I can't see a lot of similarities with the DeVa desaster. Deniz was in an entirely different place, then. He was not even 18 year old, or just 18. He was confused, scared and a part of him desperately wanted to love Vanessa and be normal. He wasn't in a place where he felt comfortable with his sexuality yet. The wall-slam with Roman is also different from yesterday's episode, because even though Roman wanted to get Deniz to tell him what was wrong, it was Roman who initiated desperate sex. Thinking about it, Deniz is still the boy with the head in the sand. Not once did he try to talk with Roman. Even yesterday he didn't even though Roman tried twice. *ponders* For Roman, this is different because Marc is very different for him. And I absolutely agree with ladyarmand's comment in the spoiler thread. Roman desperately tries to cling to Deniz. It is as if Deniz is his shielt to stay anchored. To hold onto what he knows he wants. As if Deniz can provide a hold regarding the pull Marc inflicts on him. The thing is - Roman needs to make the final decision - nobody can do it for him (even though Marc thinks he can). Strangely enough this is where I see the similarity in that they both are confused about their feelings and not wanting to hurt the other. To me that was always Deniz excuse for not telling Roman he didn't want to hurt him. Similarly Roman doesn't want to hurt or lose Deniz. They way Roman held on to Deniz yesterday was very telling. This is where they differ in the story. Because where Roman felt something was wrong and could see the distance build between him and Deniz because of Vanessa , he persistently asked Deniz what was wrong. Deniz isn't seeing that distance. I think having Roman's family issues come up is what is keeping Deniz from realizing what the real problem is. He also just promised Roman he was over his jealousy and that he had complete trust in him. Deniz has changed a lot and is not that person who just lies all the time and comes up with his standard "I'm sorry" answer. He's trying not to be suspicious and go back on his word. I'm glad I read others comments and took a chance and watched yesterday. I could start to see Roman's plight. Although I still skip any scene with RoMa. Thanks for keeping us scaredy cats updated. When you give your recaps of the ep, I know whether or not it's safe to come out and watch.
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Post by camjakefan on May 28, 2010 6:23:02 GMT -5
Watching the episode I did feel for RomaDG did a great job. What he doesn't realize is by failing to tell Deniz of his confusion and feelings the very thing that he fears will happen. I wish Marc would give Roman some space to think. Then he could decide who he really can't live without. I love what Annette told Roman the other day, she was scared because he was the bunny. She knows Roman's tendency to screw things up. I don't think Annette likes Marc either. i don't think it's crossed Roman's mind that he is in the same position as Deniz was when he was messing around with Vanessa on Roman. Roman needs to think back to what his feelings were that if Deniz had just told him the truth he could have dealt with. But he hasn't had time to sit and just think clearly because he being bombarded by Marc on one side and Deniz on the other.
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Post by camjakefan on May 27, 2010 13:45:11 GMT -5
I know Annette doesn't care for Marc and the spoilers say she will try to get him to leave Essen. The new spoilers pics on the site show ingo, Annette, Katja and Roman. And Annette doesn't seem like she is too receptive to Roman. This will probably be after Deniz finds out and I see Deniz giving her some flack about not telling him, he won't talk to her probably.
I don't see Marc being friends with the gang either. I could definitely see Roman being kind of shamed and hiding their relationship still. Because he is gonna get some flack about this.
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Post by camjakefan on May 27, 2010 12:48:44 GMT -5
I went to the forum for the spoiler pics. The look on Roman's face when he in Marc are in the lockerroom in very reminiscent to Deniz's face back when he and Roman were together in 1.0 and he was cheating with Vanessa. That look doesn't bode well for Marc. In all the pics Roman looks utterly devastated. Good for him.
There it doesn't say Deniz finds have RoMa have started a relationship but that Roman begins to work with Marc.
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Post by camjakefan on May 27, 2010 7:09:44 GMT -5
Cheerios I thought the same thing about Marian. I could totally see him barring Marc and Roman from No.7
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Post by camjakefan on May 27, 2010 0:15:14 GMT -5
I don't think Marc knows that Roman had to tell Deniz about the affair because he was being blackmailed. Or the fact that Deniz refused any reunion, so basically Marc is Roman's second choice. He is the consolation prize, that Roman isn't in this new relationship a hundred percent. I do think that Deniz is going to be a bit reckless with his behavior after he finds out about the affair. I do think he will fool around with strangers and perhaps drink a good deal too much. And all those who love him will be very worried about him. Marian might put his foot down and focus on getting Deniz out of his destructive behavior. I do think he will spend a lot of time with Katja. Because she's is for Deniz what Annette is to Roman. I do think that Roman will spend a lot of his time thinking about Deniz and Marc will not like this. That Roman will hear and see (for himself) that Deniz is not doing well. He will be jealous of the people that Deniz hooks up with to get over Roman. That Roman will be worried about the destruction of Deniz and feel guilty that he is the cause. Roman might freak out a bit how their friends will view him now being with Marc and how they got there. Florian seems to really like Deniz, so he might make mean comments to Marc about how Roman still longs for Deniz, since we don't know how Florian feels about Marc. We're thinking along the same lines about Deniz's expected behavior after the break up. He's not gonna pine and be pathetic like Roman was during DeVa. They never gave Roman another guy to look let alone a date until 673 over what almost 300 eps after they broke up. Deniz is impulsive and his actions are tied to his emotions. it used to be when he was in emotional turmoil he would turn to Roman, now he can't do that he's gonna look for someone else to get physical with. I so see Roman getting jealous of all the guys Deniz will be screwing but this is Deniz type behavior when he's been hurt he lashes out. This will be his way of proving he's over Roman. I see Katja being there for him. Deniz was really her first friend in Essen and has been their for her and all the Ben crap. And everyone will be worried and torn about their friendships especially Annette. i don't see Deniz talking to her for a little while. Marion will try to give him a swift kick in the butt but he knows how it feels to be screwed over by someone you love, Nadja anyone. I never thought of Florian where will he go. When Deniz kicks Roman out I'm sure he'll let him stay but I think getting hints from the spoilers Deniz will sell the flat. Deniz was there for Florian and gave him a chance and a place to stay when Roman didn't I wonder what his reaction to Marc will be or will he be too into to Zoe to notice.
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Post by camjakefan on May 26, 2010 19:01:46 GMT -5
Everytime I hear more about this I get more and more pissed with Roman. He claims to love Deniz so much but kisses Marc in Deniz's own place too much for me. If you're gonna cheat even if it's just emotionally do so somewhere else not in Deniz's own place. If he loves him so much tell the truth. Roman is being very selfish right now. He wants two men you can only have one unless you're in an open relationship. Someone is gonna be hurt eventually. Has he forgotten what he told Annette when he found out about DeVa. If Deniz had only been honest with him.
Roman has said before, like right after they broke up in 1.0 didn't Deniz have his own friends maybe he considers Annette and the group just his friends and only Deniz's by association.
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