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Post by dalphine on Dec 28, 2010 14:21:44 GMT -5
I'm really enjoying this storyline and will be a little sad when Lilly, father returns to take her home with him. I think Jo and Thore are doing a great job with this storyline. I think Lilly/Paris is a little attached to Jo then Thore it seems. In any relationship growth is needed and I think Olli and Christian has grown a lot.
They each have brought something into each others life. Even with no sex going on you can still see the love one has for the other, and that's good acting to convey that with just looks. We still get kisses now and then.
I'm really waiting to see the new changes with the extended time and new location in May of 2011. I have said this many times I will stay with Chrolli ,as long as they're a couple, and the beauitful people that are on this board that brings this lovely story to us. That is MMay, Nanna, and Joanna, if I have left anyone else out, I'm sorry.
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Post by sio127 on Dec 29, 2010 12:59:21 GMT -5
Just had a chance to catch up on my chrolli life ..... going home for christmas is lovely but I have missed you all. MM and Joanna thank you both so much for taking the time out over this festive time to keep us in the loop. I did love this episode, like it has already been mentioned, I love the fact the Lilys dad is a good guy, the whole episode was amazing...(I blocked out Rebecca)
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Post by kes on Dec 29, 2010 22:21:29 GMT -5
Just had a chance to catch up on my chrolli life ..... going home for christmas is lovely but I have missed you all. MM and Joanna thank you both so much for taking the time out over this festive time to keep us in the loop. I did love this episode, like it has already been mentioned, I love the fact the Lilys dad is a good guy, the whole episode was amazing...(I blocked out Rebecca) Hi Sio! Good to see you!
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Post by sio127 on Dec 30, 2010 5:49:29 GMT -5
Hey Kes....good to see you back.......the thread is filling back up again!!!
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Post by deepdarkmidnight on Dec 30, 2010 5:55:59 GMT -5
I'm really enjoying this storyline and will be a little sad when Lilly, father returns to take her home with him. I think Jo and Thore are doing a great job with this storyline. I think Lilly/Paris is a little attached to Jo then Thore it seems. In any relationship growth is needed and I think Olli and Christian has grown a lot. They each have brought something into each others life. Even with no sex going on you can still see the love one has for the other, and that's good acting to convey that with just looks. We still get kisses now and then. I'm really waiting to see the new changes with the extended time and new location in May of 2011. I have said this many times I will stay with Chrolli ,as long as they're a couple, and the beauitful people that are on this board that brings this lovely story to us. That is MMay, Nanna, and Joanna, if I have left anyone else out, I'm sorry. Lovely words, Dalphine and I couldn't agree more
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Post by kes on Dec 31, 2010 19:07:26 GMT -5
Hey Kes....good to see you back.......the thread is filling back up again!!!
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Post by thunderkat on Jan 5, 2011 10:31:49 GMT -5
*wanders back into thread like she was never even gone* Hrrmm. I really feel kind of cheated, as i usually do w. Chrolli nowadays, because ok, i accept they're committed to this baby thing, that's fine... but they are losing so many interesting story points and potential conflicts. Like i love christian, i get it, he wants a kid, but are his motivations ever really explored? and I'm shocked that after his blow up in the episode before about Fritz being in jail that they don't make christian realize how truly hypocritical that is. Plus, as nice a guy as Fritz is, i mean, his attitude toward Christian and Olli being homosexual is PURE fantasy. PURE AND UTTER FANTASY. I kind of despise these little two episode fixes, they could've gotten a LOT of mileage out of Moyo but the shipped him off almost as soon as he came on. It's really a damn shame. Also, who is doing this child's hair? There should be a whole episode about that alone, because I'll tell you, I'm sure there were times my mom considered giving me up for adoption just so she wouldn't have to deal w. my hair anymore...
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Post by bel7003 on Jan 5, 2011 12:15:21 GMT -5
*wanders back into thread like she was never even gone* Hrrmm. I really feel kind of cheated, as i usually do w. Chrolli nowadays, because ok, i accept they're committed to this baby thing, that's fine... but they are losing so many interesting story points and potential conflicts. Like i love christian, i get it, he wants a kid, but are his motivations ever really explored? and I'm shocked that after his blow up in the episode before about Fritz being in jail that they don't make christian realize how truly hypocritical that is. Plus, as nice a guy as Fritz is, i mean, his attitude toward Christian and Olli being homosexual is PURE fantasy. PURE AND UTTER FANTASY. I kind of despise these little two episode fixes, they could've gotten a LOT of mileage out of Moyo but the shipped him off almost as soon as he came on. It's really a damn shame. Also, who is doing this child's hair? There should be a whole episode about that alone, because I'll tell you, I'm sure there were times my mom considered giving me up for adoption just so she wouldn't have to deal w. my hair anymore... TKat, you must get over your hair trauma. Lilly's hair is absolutely adorable (although hard to tame, I agree!) As for the S/L, it would be great to have something deeper, some well written material, with a story that would build up for some episodes and make us suffer, laugh, cry, love together will Olli and Christian. Wishful thinking (sigh...)!
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Post by paulie2906 on Jan 5, 2011 12:18:30 GMT -5
I agree that the baby's hair is diabolical. Maybe it's done that way on purpose on the grounds that Christian and Olli wouldn't really have a clue how to care for black hair. Either that or her mother needs a serious talking to.
Kind of agree about the Fritz character being too good to be true but that's more about the whole 'I did it all for my sick wife' back story. TBH it was a relief to be spared the usual 'black guy is bound to be a homophobe' angle My cousin came out about ten years ago and after the initial shock his brothers, male cousins and uncles totally accepted it. So it's not so unbelievable. Not sure why Christian would have immediately have sympathized with Fritz, Christian never actually committed a crime and so should never have gone to prison, Fritz clearly was guilty of burglary.
You're spot on about Christian's lack of motivation regarding a family. He's only in his twenties, newly married and not established in a career. Also until recently Olli'd wanted to turn the bar into party central, now all of a sudden with no explanation that's totally forgotten and he wants to play happy families. The writers just don't have a clue what to do with this couple. The answer of course is to treat them like every other soap couple, i.e have them cheat on each other, break up, go out with other people, get together and break up again. For instance it would have been so much better if parenthood had been forced on them, maybe in the form of a child from a previous relationship, before either one of them was ready for it. But the truth is they are no more than novelty background characters which is why their SLs never last more than about five minutes and they still live like students in a flat share.
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Post by marinka019 on Jan 5, 2011 12:56:27 GMT -5
You're spot on about Christian's lack of motivation regarding a family. He's only in his twenties, newly married and not established in a career. Also until recently Olli'd wanted to turn the bar into party central, now all of a sudden with no explanation that's totally forgotten and he wants to play happy families. The writers just don't have a clue what to do with this couple. The answer of course is to treat them like every other soap couple, i.e have them cheat on each other, break up, go out with other people, get together and break up again. For instance it would have been so much better if parenthood had been forced on them, maybe in the form of a child from a previous relationship, before either one of them was ready for it. But the truth is they are no more than novelty background characters which is why their SLs never last more than about five minutes and they still live like students in a flat share. I also think there are better ways to get a child into their relationship. This Christian's sudden desire for a own child is just illogical. The authors could do it so, that chrolli suddenly just had to take care of a child from Olli's or Christian's family or a former relationship. And after some time they both could find that they want to have your own child. This foster-child-SL is not so bad, but not good for Chrolli so soon after the wedding. For Lydia and Sebastian it would not be so illogical. But the main mistake is, that writers didn't give enough screen time for all this .
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Post by dalphine on Jan 5, 2011 13:28:39 GMT -5
I really don't see what the problem is with the baby storyline, I love little Lilly, and think she has gotten used to Chrolli. I don't think it was to early for them to want kids it not like the subject just came up. I just wish everyone would just wait and let the storyline play out and just stop making negative comments. I know you have the right but please just let it play out and see what happens.
Okay I'm wait for the negative comments about my post. LOL
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Post by bel7003 on Jan 5, 2011 13:52:26 GMT -5
I really don't see what the problem is with the baby storyline, I love little Lilly, and think she has gotten used to Chrolli. I don't think it was to early for them to want kids it not like the subject just came up. I just wish everyone would just wait and let the storyline play out and just stop making negative comments. I know you have the right but please just let it play out and see what happens. Okay I'm wait for the negative comments about my post. LOL No negative comments from me. I like the baby s/l too, although I would like a little more depth in it. But I'm with you: let's wait and see how this will unfold.
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Post by tx3110 on Jan 5, 2011 14:37:50 GMT -5
Daphine and Bel7003 I'm with you too the writers have surprised me more than once we should stick around and see what happens. Here in the USA we don't have very many gay sl at all and the ones we have are too afraid to bring them to the frontline, so i think the German shows rock! Besides I don't know of any other 2 actors besides Thore & Jo that have as much chemistry that they can say pages of dialog with just one look at each other ; )
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Post by SF on Jan 6, 2011 15:25:26 GMT -5
*wanders back into thread like she was never even gone* Hrrmm. I really feel kind of cheated, as i usually do w. Chrolli nowadays, because ok, i accept they're committed to this baby thing, that's fine... but they are losing so many interesting story points and potential conflicts. Like i love christian, i get it, he wants a kid, but are his motivations ever really explored? and I'm shocked that after his blow up in the episode before about Fritz being in jail that they don't make christian realize how truly hypocritical that is. P lus, as nice a guy as Fritz is, i mean, his attitude toward Christian and Olli being homosexual is PURE fantasy. PURE AND UTTER FANTASY. I kind of despise these little two episode fixes, they could've gotten a LOT of mileage out of Moyo but the shipped him off almost as soon as he came on. It's really a damn shame. Also, who is doing this child's hair? There should be a whole episode about that alone, because I'll tell you, I'm sure there were times my mom considered giving me up for adoption just so she wouldn't have to deal w. my hair anymore... this is just what i was saing in the bitterness thread. one of my major problems with the SL so far has been the lack of depth, the unrealistic resolution of all the 'real' issues in favour of the invented ones. no questions about race, criminal record, new parenthood. all of that goes swimmingly for chrolli. instead they invent this bizarre wraparound plot involving giraffes and the cameroon. and despite the unconsciously contrived similarities (paradoxical i know) with christian's own past they either haven't noticed or can't be bothered to tease the only obvious moments out of this plot there are. he was hypocritical. but he was allowed to be. olli apologises even when he shouldn't. he does it in his mannerisms, his subservience and his unquestioning forgiveness. and it's because of this christian is allowed to become more and more tyrannical as a character. even his verbal apologise are bitter and terse. i can't decide if he's a tyrant or a toddler throwing his toys out the pram. either way olli's looking after two babies these days.
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Post by luckycharm on Jan 6, 2011 17:06:29 GMT -5
*wanders back into thread like she was never even gone* Hrrmm. I really feel kind of cheated, as i usually do w. Chrolli nowadays, because ok, i accept they're committed to this baby thing, that's fine... but they are losing so many interesting story points and potential conflicts. Like i love christian, i get it, he wants a kid, but are his motivations ever really explored? and I'm shocked that after his blow up in the episode before about Fritz being in jail that they don't make christian realize how truly hypocritical that is. P lus, as nice a guy as Fritz is, i mean, his attitude toward Christian and Olli being homosexual is PURE fantasy. PURE AND UTTER FANTASY. I kind of despise these little two episode fixes, they could've gotten a LOT of mileage out of Moyo but the shipped him off almost as soon as he came on. It's really a damn shame. Also, who is doing this child's hair? There should be a whole episode about that alone, because I'll tell you, I'm sure there were times my mom considered giving me up for adoption just so she wouldn't have to deal w. my hair anymore... this is just what i was saing in the bitterness thread. one of my major problems with the SL so far has been the lack of depth, the unrealistic resolution of all the 'real' issues in favour of the invented ones. no questions about race, criminal record, new parenthood. all of that goes swimmingly for chrolli. instead they invent this bizarre wraparound plot involving giraffes and the cameroon. and despite the unconsciously contrived similarities (paradoxical i know) with christian's own past they either haven't noticed or can't be bothered to tease the only obvious moments out of this plot there are. he was hypocritical. but he was allowed to be. olli apologises even when he shouldn't. he does it in his mannerisms, his subservience and his unquestioning forgiveness. and it's because of this christian is allowed to become more and more tyrannical as a character. even his verbal apologise are bitter and terse. i can't decide if he's a tyrant or a toddler throwing his toys out the pram. either way olli's looking after two babies these days. Thunderkat! I missed you so! Welcome back! ;D I agree with you both. I think they're treating Lilly's race as a non-issue, in the same vein they treated Chrolli and their sexuality. Normalize. However, as much as I see the merit in the sentiment, I don't think it does the Lilly SL justice....in terms of....representing reality. Something as simple as how to treat Lilly's hair would have made a beautiful little SL to Chrollilly. Lilly's heritage should be an issue - as her parents, there should be a focus from Chrolli on how to integrate her heritage to who she will be, growing up outside that culture/community. A giraffe is a nice "tie" to her heritage, but, I wish there were more focus on Chrolli's concern of how THEY could preserve Lilly's roots [including the roots in her hair] and keep it alive for her - esp. as she is separated from her father, and he has gone back to Cameroon, and she may soon return there too. E.g., Chrolli going shopping for toys for her and seeing a distinct lack of coloured dolls, and frustration with that. And a discussion coming out of it, for why it's important for them. As for the Christian angle, it's Feiler's MAIN "arch" in the SL. Christian KNEW from the start that problems would arise if they took in a foster child, because there's a distinct possibility of giving the child up. But, Olli, and his rose-coloured optimism, once again overshadowed that, and Christian, who has a hard time saying "no" to Olli, and hampering Olli's happiness, "especially when he looks so happy." is now at his wit's end. So, Christian's frustrations, directed at Olli, is believable because he, in a way, sees Olli as the cause. He warned, but, Olli told him that they could cope. Olli downplayed Christian's warning and gave all these epic speeches on how having the child, for whatever time, is enough. And, then, Olli is the one breaking down at the possibility of Lily leaving - so Christian probably feels frustrated that Olli should not then get to be the one to be the sad, vulnerable, needing comfort, one. He was counting on Olli to be the rock, to guide Christian through it, as Christian already knew how hard it would hit him - his loved ones leaving - one of his greatest fears. But, Olli didn't see it as that big of a deal. As Olli talks big, grandoise, even, but when faced with reality - he goes back on all that he thought he could do, be, stand up to/for. Olli jumps first, filled with hope and optimism, and then questions later - and, for this issue with Lilly, Christian has had it with that aspect of Olli. And so Olli then expects Christian to cushion him, support him, then. When, Christian, from the start, KNEW they couldn't handle it, and thus, didn't want to try. Now, Olli got them in the mess and is asking Christian to help support him/them &/or get them out. I can understand Christian's frustration and distance from Olli [and Lilly], due to it. He warned Olli but Olli told him that his fears were not gonna be a big issue........and now it's a reality.
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Post by bel7003 on Jan 6, 2011 17:21:07 GMT -5
Luckycharm, I loved your last post. I agree 100% with your analysis of our boys' behaviour. I thought the same, but couldn't put it into words this clearly.
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Post by marinka019 on Jan 6, 2011 18:57:44 GMT -5
I think Olli has fully realized as well , that Christian was right and that it was a big mistake with the idea of foster child. But now is no way back , because Olli has Lilly fully in his heart - it's always very easy for him . Olli is just Olli . His enthusiasm is often exaggerated , but i think , that if he wasn't like that, then perhaps aren't Chrolli still together. Christian is pragmatic and full of fears sometimes too much.
I fully understand the Christian's fears and his possible distance of Olli and Lilly. He always knew it , that it will be a big problem for him , to return the child back. But I also understand Olli that he wants , that they support each other. For this is the partnership and marriage - support in the times of trouble. Well in any case it will be a big test of their marriage, if Lilly leaves.
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Post by luckycharm on Jan 6, 2011 19:13:06 GMT -5
Thanks, bel! I think Olli has fully realized as well , that Christian was right and that it was a big mistake with the idea of foster child. But now is no way back , because Olli has Lilly fully in his heart - it's always very easy for him . Olli is just Olli . His enthusiasm is often exaggerated , but i think , that if he wasn't like that, then perhaps aren't Chrolli still together. Christian is pragmatic and full of fears sometimes too much. Too right. It's the essence of Olli. And the difference between him and Christian. Which allows for the opportunity of conflict between them..... ....which then.....I'm taking a WILD GUESS...... Will be leading to.......resolution of conflict. Ala: What's gonna work? Teamwork! What's gonna work? TEAMWORK!!!! - Wonderpets ;D (I must stop watching children's shows, just for shits and giggles, HOWEVER, random connection - there's a bunny named Ollie in Wonderpets! What a coinkidink!
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Post by kes on Jan 6, 2011 21:03:03 GMT -5
Thunderkat is here!!! You made my day, awesome one! And Luckycharm. I love your insights. Plus we have a wonderful new person in our community: Marika. Hello to Dalphine, Paulie, Bel and everyone else, too. I tend to agree with Luckycharm that VL needs to get some good writers -- BUT I will try not to be negative here. I know that negativity gets me down, and I am sorry if I have infected others. I'm here because I love the show.
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