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Post by joanna on Dec 16, 2010 12:31:42 GMT -5
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Post by joanna on Dec 16, 2010 13:09:00 GMT -5
One quick wallpaper before my main set...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2010 14:11:47 GMT -5
I don't want to comment this SL too much and somehow i can take it to the end I just want to say one thing: Especially today I liked Jo and his acting of sad Olli Christian and his behavior is always the same - conflict, yelling,apology and conflict, yelling,apology and so over and over So ,from that I'm not too excited
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Post by chrolliforever7 on Dec 16, 2010 14:19:04 GMT -5
agreed, lola. This is JUST my opinion, but I have never really been much of a Christian fan. I know he loves Olli, but he doesn't really show it very often, or at least not very convincingly (though he has before, don't get me wrong) and he comes across as annoyed sometimes when Olli shows affection.... and the yelling and apologizing gets very agitating and tiresome :/ Didn't he call Olli stupid today??? Not............cool..........
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2010 14:50:14 GMT -5
agreed, lola. This is JUST my opinion, but I have never really been much of a Christian fan. I know he loves Olli, but he doesn't really show it very often, or at least not very convincingly (though he has before, don't get me wrong) and he comes across as annoyed sometimes when Olli shows affection.... and the yelling and apologizing gets very agitating and tiresome :/ Didn't he call Olli stupid today??? Not............cool.......... No, i think that Chris is able to show that he really loves Olli and sometimes he is very sweet . But he is just not the same typ as Olli, not so much "affectionate" I just hate it when he gets into a rage -mood and then he act like an insensitive idiot I expected, that they both,as a married couple, will be supportive to each other in bad times, but that Chris does not do very often - just my POV On the other hand, at least we have some drama,even though it's such a strange..
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Post by sio127 on Dec 16, 2010 15:00:30 GMT -5
Todays episode ws interesting..... I do agree that I hate to see Christian with this attitude, but it's not so much him, it's the way the wrtiers have him in conflict with Olli, I would have preferred for them both to be kind of "Us against the World" (Westlife referance) What I did love was Miriam totally blanking Rebecca! Go Miriam!!! Rebecca is actually annoying me even more than when she was interfering in Chrollis life (how is that even possible you ask.....)
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Post by MercuryMay on Dec 16, 2010 16:03:27 GMT -5
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Post by joanna on Dec 16, 2010 16:43:27 GMT -5
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Post by SF on Dec 16, 2010 17:47:56 GMT -5
i wish i did, but i just don't believe that this is their baby. it doesn't feel like they've bonded even though they say they have, and it all feels completely anticlimactic. it's so bizarre. it's not that i don't think the characters are mature enough to have a child, or that they don't belong in that generational bracket now - it's just this particular SL and this particular child - i can't reconcile chrolli pre lilly, with who they claim to be now. it's like yesterday when rebecca said to olli "you're a dad now" my immeadiate reaction was completely opposed to the thought of olli as lilly's dad. not even in the fostering sense. i don't think it helps that chrolli have gone into fostering so ignorant of it's actual purpose and without any desire to occupy the role of 'FOSTER parents'. my mother fosters children (and babies) like lilly and the purpose of it is not a quick fix solution to not being able to produce biological children. since my mother started this process she has had nearly 20 children (some in sibling sets) come through our home. it is very hard, but completely necessary, to distinguish between parenthood and fostering, especially in the case of babies. not in the sense of your emotional response to the child, because the best foster homes provide stable, normal, loving and caring environments - but in terms of yourself it is always a very definitely signposted consequence that you will in most cases have no long-term claim to the child in your home. i have no problem with the fact they are supposed to love this little girl - who wouldn't? but the fact they have gone into this so blindly and just expected it to be the best solution irritates me. surely they knew? and in that case why are they fighting?!
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Post by paulie2906 on Dec 16, 2010 19:21:57 GMT -5
SF There's no point in attempting to compare this SL to the real world of fostering. In the real world Christian would never have been able to be a foster parent because he has a criminal record and is still on probation. On top of that, the guys live in a shared flat overflowing with other people which would be another big no, no. Bottom line this is a soap and and soap rules apply which means everything and anything goes. BTW, although I do agree with you re the comment about fostering not being a quick fix solution and the guys not having thought it through - personally i would have liked more scenes with them discussing it alone together and going through all the pros and cons, there are many instances where foster children never return home and remain with their foster parents until adulthood, especially if no adoptive parent can be found.
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Post by joanna on Dec 16, 2010 20:31:17 GMT -5
Just a quick post on something I think is worth a mention......Aside from Jo's excellent performance, I thought Thore particularly excelled himself in this episode. I could really sense the emotions in Christian's/Thore's voice and expressions. This is exemplified at the 4 minute and 4 seconds point in MM's vid where, clearly getting distressed at the thought of having to maybe let Lilly go, Christian seems to almost get choked up with the emotion of it all. And it felt 'real' to me. For me, Thore gave a moving performance in this episode.x
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Post by Trish on Dec 16, 2010 20:45:13 GMT -5
Just a quick post on something I think is worth a mention......I thought Thore particularly excelled himself in this episode. I could really sense the emotions in Christian's/Thore's voice and expressions. This is exemplified at the 4 minute and 4 seconds point in MM's vid where, clearly getting distressed at the thought of having to let Lilly go, Christian seems to almost get choked up with the emotion of it all. And it felt 'real' to me. For me, Thore gave a moving performance in this episode. Jo? Yep, he was definitely excellent, too! I completely agree with you Joanna. I think a lot of times, it easier for people to see how Jo is showing his heart on his sleeve. Thore has a much more difficult role, since he has to hold his emotions close to him. People tend to take that has not caring, but the scene that you were talking about, he was very emotional and that is way he had to leave the room.
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Post by dalphine on Dec 16, 2010 21:05:23 GMT -5
I just have to say, I get so pissed when people question Christian love for Olli.
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Post by SF on Dec 16, 2010 22:11:11 GMT -5
SF There's no point in attempting to compare this SL to the real world of fostering. In the real world Christian would never have been able to be a foster parent because he has a criminal record and is still on probation. On top of that, the guys live in a shared flat overflowing with other people which would be another big no, no. Bottom line this is a soap and and soap rules apply which means everything and anything goes. BTW, although I do agree with you re the comment about fostering not being a quick fix solution and the guys not having thought it through - personally i would have liked more scenes with them discussing it alone together and going through all the pros and cons, there are many instances where foster children never return home and remain with their foster parents until adulthood, especially if no adoptive parent can be found. i did have issues with christian's criminal past in relation to the fostering in the beginning but i choked them down and went with it. the intransigent details i can let go, chrolli legally marrying in a church - fair enough, chrolli being allowed to foster in the first place, whatever. but when they try and rewrite definitions and base a whole plot round it. there are other ways gay men can have and lose children, why fostering if you don't understand what it is?! i think with soaps a touch of reality goes a long way, i'm not a stickler for minute by minute accurate representations of real life - otherwise i wouldn't watch these type of shows, they are escapism. but they're relatable escapism. and it annoys me that chrolli are given so little credit by the writers that they create tiffs out of nowhere and give them absolute fluff to chew on for weeks, months, years when they could be getting something better, a lot better. okay so they might never win awards or be lauded for their crystal clear representation of gay parenthood - that's not what they're trying to do. they've said they never were. but looking back christian's coming out SL got a lot of recognition and that's cos it A) wasn't your average boring run of the mill coming out B) was given time to mature by the production team and was respected enough by them to be thoughtfully written and C) had realistic representations of coming out amidst a sporting background. i thought it was interesting and riding the tip of a wave that's only just cresting. (look at the gay welsh rugby player and all the stick he's getting). they have the same opportunities here, but they're just throwing them to the wind. and for what?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2010 4:04:34 GMT -5
Just a quick post on something I think is worth a mention......Aside from Jo's excellent performance, I thought Thore particularly excelled himself in this episode. I could really sense the emotions in Christian's/Thore's voice and expressions. This is exemplified at the 4 minute and 4 seconds point in MM's vid where, clearly getting distressed at the thought of having to maybe let Lilly go, Christian seems to almost get choked up with the emotion of it all. And it felt 'real' to me. For me, Thore gave a moving performance in this episode.x Joanna, what you said about Thore, i think it's true.This his moment in MM's video is really good . I really don't like Christian, when he still yells , but that does not mean i don't like Thore's acting . In my view, are Jo and Thore both absolutely equally amazing actors . it would be pretty stupid , to do of that something like "competition".
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Post by dalphine on Dec 17, 2010 7:59:30 GMT -5
People don't understand Christian had to let them know about his criminal record. So it must not have been that bad, if they aloud him to adopt Lily.
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Post by blondeninjagirl on Dec 17, 2010 8:25:01 GMT -5
They fight like a married couple. Oh wait... ;D
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Post by paulie2906 on Dec 17, 2010 9:06:56 GMT -5
SF Again I agree with what you say. The trouble is Chrolli is a victim of its own success and whenever the writers do try and do something to shake up the Chrolli world ie Chribecca or Rob they get hit with such a wave of protest from fans they immediately back down for fear upsetting what has turned out to be a high profile and profitable applecart. So instead of real drama we get half assed SLs like the HIV non crisis which are resolved in two seconds flat without so much as a raised voice. Personally I would have liked to see Christian feel attracted to Rebecca and question his relationship with Olli. Or the reappearance of Coco with Christian's baby in tow just as the issue of family had come up. Or something relating to the that very long break Olli took in Ibiza which has never been addressed. I don't fret about them having real problems that cause them to argue or even split up as long as it is well written, dramatic and full of juicy conflict. Without that soap characters even ones as popular as Chrolli will just stagnate. So here's hoping that even though this foster child story didn't have the greatest beginnings that it does actually provide the guys with an on going SL that tests them as a couple and lasts a bit longer than a few days.
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Post by bel7003 on Dec 17, 2010 12:26:58 GMT -5
Just a quick post on something I think is worth a mention......Aside from Jo's excellent performance, I thought Thore particularly excelled himself in this episode. I could really sense the emotions in Christian's/Thore's voice and expressions. This is exemplified at the 4 minute and 4 seconds point in MM's vid where, clearly getting distressed at the thought of having to maybe let Lilly go, Christian seems to almost get choked up with the emotion of it all. And it felt 'real' to me. For me, Thore gave a moving performance in this episode.x I totally agree with you, Joanna. Thore is a really good actor. Christian is not an easy character to play, because he's not just "black or white". He can be a wonderful person or a really scumbag, plus all the shades in between. And the fact that people react so strongly when he's being more distant is proof enough that Thore is doing a great job. As for emotions, we've seen plenty of times when Christian acts really stupid because he can't handle his feelings or gets too upset to think clearly. Anyway, I really loved the fact that he remains so honest. While Olli even considered Andi's suggestion that they should pretend that the letter with Lily's pictures got lost, in Christian's mind there was absolutely no doubt about what they should do. Besides, no one can say he's insensitive, when he speaks of the pain Lily's father must feel for being away from her. All in all, I'm enjoying this storyline and Thore and Jo are doing a great job. (Although I must confess I would like a little more smooching. ;D ;D) Thanks for everything, Joanna.
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Post by kish on Dec 20, 2010 6:08:41 GMT -5
@bel can`t agree with you more! Because Christian is such an "difficult" character who has trouble showing his feelings, you never know how he will react. And I am always amazed how Thore gets me hooked and how often I forget that this is a soap. Both actors doing a great job!
But of course a little more "smoochies" would be great! And Lily is just adorable!
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