dalia
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Post by dalia on Oct 12, 2010 14:36:43 GMT -5
i made the mistake of watching the entire show yesterday and it's horrible. i feel like the gay storyline is done pretty well (all things considering)...but the rest of the show is so, so, so bad.
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Post by Zathras on Oct 12, 2010 19:52:46 GMT -5
Meh. While I think it's good they're telling the story (every little bit helps), my expectations aren't terribly high. Maybe I'll end up pleasantly surprised, then .
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Post by Hawthorne on Oct 12, 2010 23:49:14 GMT -5
I hope not, i'm sick and tired of gay bashing storylines. I don't think the storyline is that bad, but maybe it's because i heard such awfull things of this show that i expected the worse Maybe it will be that Ian is in danger of getting bashed, but Teddy steps in to rescue him. That won't be so bad.
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Post by HQ75 on Oct 13, 2010 0:26:53 GMT -5
I can't really think of any gay TV character on American tv who's been bashed (as opposed to bullied and teased like Kurt)
I honestly don't think US tv pays that much attention to European tv unless there is a particular show they want to import or redo.
90210 is just a modern reinvisioning of Beverly Hills 90210 (it's not a US version of Hollyoaks or some other European soap)
A lot of the things folks here think of as "cliche" on other shows in other countries have never been done on US tv when it comes to gay teen characters so for the over-whelming majority of the audience for 90210, everything about the way the Teddy storyline is playing out is new and fresh and groundbreaking.
They only other characters US tv viewers have to compare Teddy to are "Justin" & "Austin" (Ugly Better), "Kurt" (GLEE), Calvin, Grant and Heath (Greek), "Marshall" (United States of Tara), "Eric" (Gossip Girl), "Justin" (QAF, US); Then going back in time "Jack" (Dawson's Creek).
Their storylines were totally different than Teddy's (and those characters run the gamut in terms of personality type) but they are also totally different than most of the gay characters on soaps we've seen in Europe.
Jack and Grant are probably closest to Teddy so far (in that they were dating women previously) but they weren't riddled this level of denial and self-hatred and violent tendencies when we met them as characters.
Because we're all followers of TGODT (and we tend to watch a high volume of shows just for their gay characters) our view-point is a bit skewed and it makes sense that some folks would compare stuff to Hollyoaks, et all but we are like a fringe group compared to the target audience of these shows (that would be US tweens to 25 years olds who only watch US TV).
My only point is that for better or worse, we're dealing with a different cultural aesthetic in the US (a country that diverges wildly from one coast to another and where regional difference actually dictate what and what kinds of stuff you get to see on TV in your local programming)
It's possible that Teddy's storyline may shift into the "tragic gay cliche" pool but even that would be new for a US prime-time TV audience.
I just don't think the writers of 90210 are looking toward European soaps for guidance or storyline ideas. Most of the storylines are similar to other shows targeted toward a similar demographic (One Tree Hill, Gossip Girl, etc)
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Post by Hawthorne on Oct 13, 2010 10:24:54 GMT -5
I wouldn't go so far as to say Teddy's story is fresh and groundbreaking. What's happened so far? Teddy caled Ian a f** and punched him. The entire show rarely rises above the level of cliche, and Teddy's story is written by the same writers. 90210 is basically a nighttime soap and there have been American soaps that portrayed gay bashing. Justin on QAF got bashed. On ATWT, Noah got bashed and Luke got shot. Kyle's friend on OLTL got gay bashed very badly. We haven't seen it in primetime, though, that's true. Teddy's story may be something new for much of the show's audience, but the writing is definitely cliche-ridden.
I don't agree that European TV doesn't influence American TV. American TV writers frequently steal ideas from their European counterparts and vice-versa. Chrollie has had a huge international impact and their story may very well be serving as the template for the 90210 writers. It's the same basic concept - straight guy who doesn't yet realize he's gay falls for a gay guy. It's a storyline idea that seems to have resonated internationally. VL probably got the idea from Luke and Noah, actually. Ideas do sometimes get cross-pollinated back and forth across the Atlantic.
The prime time shows do tend to shy away from violent storylines for their gay characters, so maybe Ian won't get gaybashed. Something needs to happen to draw Teddy towards him, though. Maybe Ian will meet someone else and Teddy will get jealous.
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Post by jjose712 on Oct 14, 2010 14:06:55 GMT -5
Well, i wasn't talking about US tv, i was talking in general, i am sick and tired of gay bashing storylines, and i'm a little tired of the helpless gay, some gay characters seems just unable to fight, of course there's a lot of people (gay and straight) who is unable to fight but that's a cliche that i can't stand.
I think american soaps have a real problem with gay teen characters, maybe because the standard, the one who break the ice, it was Jack McPhee, and that was one of the most ridiculous coming outs even. Come on, it's just unbelievable that someone who won't be able to even kiss a guy in a lot lot of time will come out just reading a poem in front of his class.
I find Teddy storyline entertainning, but it's not something new, everything seems watched before, but to be honest i don't have a problem with that. I think being new or innovative is not necesarily good or the opposite. The story is nice to watch and it's coming at a good pace. I just don't want an overdramatic coming out (i have enough drama with Emmerdale), but some struggle is ok and realistic.
Sincererly i prefer Teddy coming to terms with his sexuality being jelous of some other guy who is with Ian, or defending him, but not in a damsel in distress storyline, just taking his side against all odds in a storyline
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Post by justinate on Oct 14, 2010 15:10:46 GMT -5
This show is ridiculously bad, but the eye candy is magnificent: Teddy, Liam, Oscar, Ian ...
As for the storyline, I think it's pretty decent, given the show it's on. As someone mentioned upthread, the quality of writing on this show is very poor indeed, so the fact that they even came up with a half-decent storyline for Teddy is quite incredible. So far Ian is a plot device to have Teddy face up to his sexuality (I also agree that he should be bisexual rather than gay) but I hope he will develop into something more down the line because Kyle Riabko is both adorable and talented. While Ian being a choreographer is stereotypical, him fighting back when Teddy attacked him was not. I know he was losing the fight (hardly surprising given their relative builds) but he still got in a good punch or two.
I also feel Trevor Donovan is doing a good job with this storyline and he came across very well when interviewed about it. He's also very hot, which helps, although it's quite a stretch to accept him playing a high school senior. (Some of the jokes about his real age were funny at first, but I think they're now getting stale and, to be frank, rather mean-spirited.)
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Post by HQ75 on Oct 16, 2010 21:16:49 GMT -5
I wouldn't go so far as to say Teddy's story is fresh and groundbreaking. What's happened so far? Teddy caled Ian a f** and punched him. . I can't think of one gay teen character on a US soap EVER whom we find out might be gay BECAUSE he had sex with another boy in his high school. I also can't recall another gay teen character who's coming out process involved him assaulting the guy he slept with and calling him a f*g**t in order to hid the fact that he might be gay. The only thing close is QAF and that was not a show targeted at teens and it wasn't on network prime time on a high profile show like 90210 Whether it's well-written or not is not really the issue. Most prime-shows targeted towards teens AREN'T well-written but they have HUGE tween and teen fanbases (and don't do so bad among 20-year-olds either). THAT is what makes it groundbreaking. In addition to being unique for a US show it has huge exposure and the character coming out is one of the most popular male characters on the show. We're not talking Shakespeare on any of these primetime soaps (no matter how well they are written, they are still primetime soaps - formulaic, derivative, pop-culture oriented) but within the genre, THIS is a very unique storyline for US TV. Whether or not it's going to be a "good" storyline remains to be seen. I don't expect 90210 to be Emmy-worthy writing, just entertaining and gay visibility is always important in having an impact on young people who eat these characters and shows up. I also like that we already have gay guy who is out and proud and smart and cute and totally comfortable with his sexuality. Ian isn't a pushover but he's not catty and mean either. He's a great character that adds some nuanced to the story that didn't exist with other US shows. I'll say this for Riley, despite all his troubles coming out, we KNOW he was sexually active more than a few times (possible a whole summer at camp) so the issues of is he really gay was never an issue for the audience (something I respected about Degrassi). I loved Marco but he never really got to be a sexual being in his own right the way other characters did. He and Dylan barely got to make out meanwhile we saw Craig, Manny, Emma, et all in a wide variety of make-out scenes an sexual situations. The audience wasn't even sure Marco and Dylan had actually had sex until Marco realized he couldn't give blood because of it but the subject of his first time with Marco or even any mention of them sleeping together never came up before or after. So with Riley I feel like it was a progression for a lot of reason. At any rate, I think this story could be great for young folks watching 90210 and so far I think it's hitting the beats very well.
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Post by americadreamer on Oct 16, 2010 22:11:12 GMT -5
i just don't understand why US drama always let adults play high school teenagers. nobody can play these roles or what? although they are handsome guys and pretty women, but still.
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Post by mycatfox on Oct 16, 2010 22:12:53 GMT -5
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Post by blake on Oct 17, 2010 14:37:54 GMT -5
Here's my personal opinion on this storyline is it ground breaking?NO that's safe to say but there is very hype buzz around this storyline in fact it's one of the most talked about storyline of this season.Now back to the subject in hand.Do I believe that Teddy is love with Ian?No not yet I believe there is an attraction there that scares Teddy I also believe that Teddy may have had same-sex attraction before.But maybe he thought that would go away once he hooked up with Silver I believe he convinced himself that he was not attracted to the same-sex.It was only meeting Ian that those old feelings started to come back also from what I have read and understand Ian is going to help mend the relationship between Silver and Teddy.And if I had to make a guess in trying to repair his relationship with Silver he discovers he has deeper feelings for Ian.
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Post by cheerios on Oct 17, 2010 23:26:55 GMT -5
I can see Teddy walking by a hot guy and thinking damn he's attractive, but not acting on it. And he probably thought, I'm just a modern guy who can admire another male's body. But maybe Teddy is bi and his feelings for guys have been more dormant than his feelings for girls. And when he started to date Silver he thought all those attractions to guys would be over because it was real between him and Silver. And then Ian came into his life and Teddy's feelings for guys woke up and came to life in a full state scaring the hell out of him.
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Post by blake on Oct 21, 2010 7:02:41 GMT -5
Judging from the interest in our 90210 recaps,folks are pretty darn interested in Teddy Montgomery's (Trevor Donovan) coming out journey.Just as The CW promised,his storyline has been told thus far and has proceeded at a steady if leisurely pace.
Last week saw Teddy apologize for calling Ian (Kyle Riabko) a "f*g**t,"but reacting quite negatively when Ian told him he understood what he was going through and would be there for him if he wanted to talk.In fact,in an attempt to reassert his masculinity,Teddy went to bed with a female student,but was unable to perform.
So what's next for Teddy?
This coming Monday's episode "How Much Is That Liam In The Window"doesn't appear to have much in store for Teddy,but the following week he's getting along with Ian to attend an awards banquet with him and other students in "I See London,I See France."
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Post by blake on Oct 21, 2010 7:25:04 GMT -5
Here is what else we'll see during the month of November:
After a day of surfing,Teddy,Dixon and Liam are having lunch at the Beach Club when a hot waitress hits on Teddy.With Dixon and Liam present,Teddy tries to feign interest,but can't really do it and leaves.
Teddy gets up the nerve to go to gay bar for the first time,but things don't go particularly well for him there.Jeff,a twenty something guy who is interested in talking introduces himself,but after drinking several shots of tequila,a very nervous Teddy excuses himself and asks for the check.Unfortunately,when he goes to pay,he realizes he's forgotten his wallet.He calls Dixion to ask if he left his wallet at his place and when it turns he did,Dixion offers to bring it to him.Realizing that would mean meeting Dixion at the gay bar,Teddy claims to suddenly find cash.But when the bartender won't let him pay up later,Teddy is in a bind.
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Post by blake on Oct 21, 2010 7:31:10 GMT -5
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Post by overtherainbow on Oct 21, 2010 11:34:15 GMT -5
Could you please make a spoiler alert, or write it in another color? Not everyone wants to be spoiled!
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Post by blake on Oct 21, 2010 13:08:08 GMT -5
Ok sorry about that.
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Post by Bonobochick on Oct 21, 2010 13:23:45 GMT -5
Can folks make sure to be conscious of posting spoilers correctly? I fixed for now, but in the future, if folks forget, pls go back when asked or it's commented on that a spoiler has not been properly posted and modify the font color of the spoiler(s) to yellow or beige.
Thanks
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Post by aliceg on Oct 28, 2010 15:17:31 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKWXh6gw1AMA preview of next week's episode. Shots of both Ian and Teddy, so hopefully will get some screen time. Lets hope it is positive screen time for their relationship!!
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Post by Hawthorne on Oct 31, 2010 20:38:17 GMT -5
Spoilerish: Obviously, Teddy is going to have to call Ian when he's trapped at the gay bar. He won't be able to deny things to Ian anymore.
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Post by mycatfox on Nov 2, 2010 0:49:06 GMT -5
90210 - Teddy's story Part 4 (Thank you Anthony! )
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Post by mycatfox on Nov 2, 2010 1:02:13 GMT -5
Trevor Donovan ("Access Hollywood Live" November 1st 2010)
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Post by Hawthorne on Nov 2, 2010 18:20:33 GMT -5
Only on the CW does taking a few hits off a joint = descending into a drug-addled downward spiral that almost gets your friends killed. So Teddy appears to be falling for Ian - the guy he slept with (off camera) out of the blue for no apparent reason after a lifetime of never thinking about guys sexually and chasing after every woman that came within his field of vision and never having any problems performing with them. Hey, at least they're both cute as hell!
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Post by cheerios on Nov 2, 2010 19:05:48 GMT -5
Well maybe too much to drink and Teddy is anyone, I know I can get like that when I get really drunk. Ian happen to be there and they took a shine to each other and bob's your uncle they spent the night together. And maybe sleeping with Ian awoken something in Teddy, sure he's disgusted. But a part of him is also intrigued by what happen and why. Who is this guy that got him to switch sides?
I really think Teddy didn't have an idea he liked boys before and this is new. Or he's bi and up until now is was mainly girls. He was painted too much as a womanizers and that can't just be because he was hiding who he is. But I'm curious when their first kiss will be and will be actually see their relationship bloom. Or they going to only pop up now and then?
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