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Post by carmelabcn on Oct 22, 2010 8:33:40 GMT -5
"Amar en tiempos revueltos" (love in troubled times) is a long-lasting a soap aired by TVE, the Spanish public TV, monday to friday at 16'10 to 17 h. (local time). It has an high quality and talks about the dayly life in Madrid of the loosers in the Spanish Civil War (1936 to 1939). This season is the 6th and happens in the fall of 1954. And has a gay character, Ubaldo (that loves Richi) as one of the main ones. In fact, in this year happened two things importants in Ubaldo's life: he's Guatemalian, and was a member of the guatemalian embassy in Madrid but in 1954, its President Arbenz suffered a coup d'etat (with intervention of the USA). He remained in Madrid seling (and renting) LPs in a music shop, but then Madrid arent the best city for gay people: homosexuality was forbidden and gay people closed in a kind of prison to be "treated" of their illness. He loves Richi, a dancer of the dance school he rents the LPs with latin music. But also has a "perfect marriage" with Irene, the main character in this season. They respect each other's life and have some kind of love (not phisical). They protect each other because their situation is very weak. For example, Richi doesnt have a good behavior with Ubaldo, and yesterday's episode, Irene talked with Richi and told him that she realizes his doubts and his wanting to be seen as a "macho" with women, but she doesnt want him to hurt Ubaldo. Past season, this series had a lesbian couple as the main characters. For this reason, this series has won a GLT price. This is a link with the main web page of the series: www.rtve.es/television/amarentiemposrevueltos.shtmlWe discovered Ubaldo's secret: www.rtve.es/mediateca/videos/20101011/amar---secreto-ubaldo/899879.shtmlRichi behaves badly: www.rtve.es/mediateca/videos/20101015/amar-que-juega-richi/903748.shtmlAnd Irene's conversation with Richi: www.rtve.es/mediateca/videos/20101021/amar-irene-defiende-marido/908367.shtmlIn the spoiler for today, it seems that Richi reacts and goes to Ubaldo's
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Post by overtherainbow on Oct 22, 2010 11:59:26 GMT -5
Wow! This storyline seems REALLY good! I used to watch this show because of the lesbian couple, and I think it's awesome they are adding gay characters too Oh, and it also helps that Richi is hot ;D Can't wait to see more of this! Thanks for the heads up. I only wish I knew what they were saying. I know some Spanish words, but hardly enough to understand whats going on :S I just have one question.. Is Richi gay too, or just Ubaldo? Did Richi use Ubaldo to get something out of him? I'm confused, because I saw him flirt with a girl.. or is that just a fasade?
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Post by dmagiclight on Oct 22, 2010 18:53:25 GMT -5
Sounds very interesting will there be English subtitles maybe on YouTube?
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Post by overtherainbow on Oct 23, 2010 1:01:47 GMT -5
Can any Spanish speaking person help me out with the last episode? I'd appreciate it if someone could translate what they said, if not everything, then just a short English summary of what went on. BTW, it seemed like that guy bugged the store? So he's trying to find out if Ubaldo is gay? I saw through the videos, because I'm really curios about this storyline! Anyway, I came across a dance scene, and wow! Richi is checking out Ubaldo! It couldn't be more obvious! lol You can see it here: www.rtve.es/mediateca/videos/20101011/amar---nacido-para-bailar/899894.shtml
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Post by carmelabcn on Oct 23, 2010 4:01:46 GMT -5
DMAGICLIGH, I have found some clips in YT, but not in English. I haven't time to do translations, but I can try to do a resume of the episodes. OVERTHERAINBOW, the last episode was really interesting. Things are becoming very ugli for Irene and Ubaldo. The other main characters in this season are Andrés and his wife Eulalia. Andrés is a powerful man. People says he allways get what he wants. He's a fascist, a man of the Franco's rule. He first met Irene in a party she organized for the Guatemalian embassy. He was impressed by her, but behaved rudely. This scene happened at the end of the past season, but it was shown in this one in a flash back. It was seen by Ubaldo, that argued with Andrés (a little drunk) and told him to go away from the party. Andrés is a racist that said Ubaldo is an "indian" in a very offensive way. www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0Ho_v6T9lQ&feature=relatedAndrés never forgot (nor forgave) this couple. After the punch against President Arbenz, Ubaldo has his music shop in the ground floor of the buinding where Andres lives with his family (Eularia and their son Jaime and doughter Almudena). So, they met another time. Now, the only things that matters to Andrés are his political carreer and to get Irene. So, against the opinion of his wilfe, andrés offers to Irene to teach French to Almudena.And Irene accepts because Ubaldo's shop isn't enough to get money for both. Of course, Eulalia is ennoyed! And now, Andrés is looking for problems for Ubaldo, the "indian" and "red, comunist" that has the wonderful Spanish lady he wants. He talked with a policeman about doing "something" against Ubaldo (and Andrés, of course, doesn't know Ubaldo is gay!): www.rtve.es/mediateca/videos/20101022/amar-andres-pretende-atacar-ubaldo/909482.shtmlAnd then, wehave the wonderful scene when Richi goes to Ubaldo's shop ("Bolero") and try to apologize him but there is a strange man that is looking at them. This man doesas if is interested on music. but when Ubaldo and Richi go ount, he puts a LP. This man is a policeman and I think the LP has forbidden music o records (maybe the communist hymn, "The international"?), because in the preview for the next episode, severan policeman are searching at Ubaldo's (of course, they will find this LP). The way Richi apologizes Ubaldo before the strange man in, healso seems to be interested on buying a LP. Richi says he wants to give a present to beg pardon to a person he has hurt,and asks Ubaldo if bolero music is the best for this purpose. In a wonderful conversation, Ubaldo says that nice words of love arent the best idea, because the other person can thinkthe really doesnt feel what he says. Then, Ubaldo says what the other person maybe prefers ia a joyfun dance music, enloy life. Thn, they wnt out the shop and Richi apologize another time and says he hasnt the things about his sexuality as clair as Ubaldo's, he has many doubts, but didnt want to hurt him. He said also Irene is a brave lady, and Ubaldo agrees. But Ubaldo said he isnt as in love with Richi as Irene thinks (but I think really Ubaldo is very in love with him!). And the finished with an hug.
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Post by jjose712 on Oct 23, 2010 5:33:16 GMT -5
Well i didn't watch this show in ages, i remember that they had a gay character in the first season
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Post by overtherainbow on Oct 23, 2010 6:56:09 GMT -5
So they can really arrest Ubaldo because the policeman placed that record? Why are they trying to frame Ubaldo? Because he's gay, or because he's selling LP's and music he isn't allowed to sell? I'm confused about the motivation behind it. So Richi isn't sure about his sexuality yet? But he is gay, right? He did seem sincere when he talked with Ubaldo, and I think they have such amazing chemistry. I think he likes Ubaldo too. I mean, he was the one who flirted with Ubaldo during the dance and he was the one to come on to Ubaldo. I'm kinda afraid, because I really like this storyline. But so much can tear these guys apart. Ubaldo might go to prison now, and Richi is so insecure about his sexuality, so he's kinda using Ubaldo. I have a feeling it will be more tention between them. I just really hope they won't send Ubaldo to prison, or that he at least gets out quickly! Would be nice if someone could post this storyline on Youtube, or at least if GoDT's Spanish posters could post translations/English summaries here so we know what's going on
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Post by tihkon2 on Oct 23, 2010 12:33:31 GMT -5
overtherainbow, From reading carmelabcn's overview, It seems to be that Andres is having Ubaldo framed to get him out of the picture so he can sleep with Irene. Andres is a fascist, and they were in power in Spain then. He can accuse anyone he likes of being "communist" and if they find any "proof" Ubaldo is in big trouble. So the motivation is Andres' lust for Irene.
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Post by overtherainbow on Oct 23, 2010 14:10:41 GMT -5
overtherainbow, From reading carmelabcn's overview, It seems to be that Andres is having Ubaldo framed to get him out of the picture so he can sleep with Irene. Andres is a fascist, and they were in power in Spain then. He can accuse anyone he likes of being "communist" and if they find any "proof" Ubaldo is in big trouble. So the motivation is Andres' lust for Irene. Thanks I'm an idiot though.. I asked before I saw what carmelabcn wrote. Anyway, I have a few questions again, and this time I read what carmelabcn wrote, but couldn't see it answered there. I've watched a few episodes now, from episode 25 to 30. Ubaldo is having an argument with his wife, Irene. Do you know what they were fighting about? I know they made up in episode 29, and it was a sweet moment. He knew how much support he had in Irene and how much she has been there for him, especially after being used by Richi. Ugh.. I was so mad when he flirted with that chick and said some rude things to Ubaldo. He looked so hurt too I think Richi regretted saying it, at least that's what it looked like.. But it obviously affected Ubaldo so much that he made up with Irene. Like I said, it was such a sweet moment. I know they don't have anything romantic going on. But he just gave her a friendly kiss and that scene was amazing imo. Anyway.. back to the question, do you know what they were fighting about? Irene and Ubaldo I mean? They were fighting from around episode 25 to 29 or something.. They did mention Richi a few times, so I thought maybe because of the relationship Ubaldo has with Richi? Though I'm not sure.. Also, the ballet teacher, the rich woman, well, I think she's rich. Looks like she has a maid. Anyway, her son isn't gay, is he? I heard the word "gay" and "hombre" so.. it made me wonder. Either they were talking about him or someone else who is gay, but I am 100 % certain I heard the word gay. So I'm just wondering what that was about, it was in episod 29 I think. I also gotta add that Ubaldo and Richi have MAD CHEMISTRY! They look so good together. It's like they're meant for each other. The flirting scene in episode 30 was kinda hot, even hotter than the kiss I think. We didn't get to see much of the kiss, but the way they were flirting in episode 30.. whoa! ;D The way they whispered into each others ears, the way they talked very softly and how they looked at each other.. The scene was so amazing! And I really liked how Ubaldo just pulled Richi to himself when they shook hands. They almost kissed Like I said.. the scene is definitely worth the watch for everyone who is new to this storyline. I just wish I knew what they were saying.. sigh So.. in the last episode Ubaldo and Richi made up and ended up as friends, right? so does that mean their romantic storyline is over, or do you think they'll get back together? I'm torn because I hated the way Richi treated Ubaldo at the dance studio, he definitely doesn't deserve that. But at the same time.. I mean, they are just so darn cute together! Could be very tricky anyway if Ubaldo ends up in prison I certainly hope not though, and if he do, I at least hope he gets out quickly. Ok.. that was my take on everything, including a couple of questions I hope someone can help me with I really wish someone would put this storyline up on Youtube. I'm not sure where they are going with this story now. But I think it's worth just putting up what has happened between them up till now, even though they may not get together again.. Because the storyline has been REALLY good so far! and if not Youtube, then I hope some of our friendly Spanish speaking members can help out with English summaries after an Ubaldo/Richi episode. I know I would I think it would be great, and maybe we could get more people interested in the show/storyline too!
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Post by carmelabcn on Oct 26, 2010 2:21:25 GMT -5
Ow! As Ubaldo said in yesterday's episode, "The story has well finished", thanks to Irene: Instead of being suffering for Richi, Ubaldo is now his friend. It seems it's the end of Richi. Ubaldo is sensible and Richi's doubts only could hurt him. By now, as they said, Ubaldo is the most important person in Irene's life, and Irene is de most important person in Ubaldo's life.
But Ubaldo is clearly gay, and Irene told him to take care when he had his story with Richi because the new law: he can be closed in a prison to be "treated". Irene described the law, so I think we will see someone suffering for being gay, and that Ubaldo's gayness goes on.
By now, having "found" the Spanish Republic's hymn by the police in his shop, Ubaldo can be arrested and expelled from Spain. Irene, as allways, advised him to be careful with Andrés (of course, their only powerful enemy). but Ubaldo wants to do something, to talk with him. In the preview for today, Ubaldo is talking with Adelina, the dance teacher. She says that if Andrés ordered what happened in the shop, he will do Ubaldo to know it.
Yesterday also we knew that Adelina is visited by Andrés because in the past was his lover and they have a doughter 15 years old, Gloria. Yesterday, Adelina proposes Andrés to put Gloria in his last will as a heiress, because now Andrés gives money to Adelina for Gloria, but if Andrés dies, Gloria wont have anything. Well, andrés is thougfun, he seems to feel something for this girls, maybe his secret: hte weak pint of this powerful man.
So, Adelina isnt rich. The dance studio is her only way of earning money for herself. And the other woman isnt her maid: is hter sister. Adelina's family is strange, there is a mistery I still dont know. She's married with a man, Joaquin (the man with with hair and beard) not for love. There are other reason, I think Andrés tell her to marry this man. Joaquin says he's an Austrian jew (but a "real" jew that appeared at the begining of the season, gave him the David star, and Joquím threw his present whtn anything could see him). The Shoah is a topic that is appearing several times this season: yesterday's episode, Joaqauin said to Chelo that several directors (Lubisch, Billy Wilder) are really Austrian, but wet to the USA because they didn't agree with nazism. But I think he isnt what he says he's.
In the conversation beetween Adelina and her sister about gay people (when the salt one discovers the relationship between Ubaldo and Richi), we knew that the sister hate them (and men in general) because she has been very unlucky withmen: one of the men that have broken her heart was one that she was very in love with him, and she discovered he was gay.
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Post by overtherainbow on Oct 26, 2010 4:13:53 GMT -5
Ugh.. that sucks. I hope Richi is coming back. They had such good chemistry together! And yes, I know Richi kinda used Ubaldo, but still... They were so cute! I know he might still come back, but yeah.. not exactly holding my breath Seems like their romance ended as soon as it began.
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Post by carmelabcn on Oct 28, 2010 12:15:09 GMT -5
overtherainbow:
I think Richi liked Ubaldo and hes gay, but he dosen't accet himself. Maybe he didn't use Ubaldo: as you says, they have high chemestry, but Richi has doubts, his head doesn't follow his senses.
But the story is finished, Richi has desappeared (he could be seen at the dance studio, but they dont show him!). And now Ubaldo can't think about men (I supose): he's frightened, what Andrés wants to produce to him and to Irene. He has burnt the documents of the Guatemalian embassy he saved at his home to avoid the Spanish police to have the name of people related to President Arbenz, because they can be handed to the Guatemalian police after the punch. When Irene wants to aid her husband burning documents, she sees the list of the Guatemalian orchestra. "Is dangerous to play music?", she asks. Ubaldo answers: "No, Irene, it's dictatorships what is dangerous!". Well, this sentence can be the headline of this series.
Also, Ubaldo told to Jaime, the Andrés's son, not to treat him as a friend, but only as his LP seller, because their frienship can take problems to Jaime with his father. So, Andres is isolating Ubaldo.
Well, Ubaldo is a person that thinks allways in other people, that puts himself in danger for others. And is the person that represents the right way of see things.
Today we have seen how the same policeman of the search went to the shop when Ubaldo wasn't there, to make pressure over Irene.
Maybe, if Richi appears another time, it can be only to give more problems to Ubaldo. He's weak and can be also under pessure, if Andés discoverse the relationship they had (Adelina's sister, perhaps?). In this case, what would be Irene's role? Accept Andrès wishes to avoid the prison for his husband?
About Irene arguing with Ubaldo in past episodes, Ubando didn want Irene to teach French to Almujdena (Andrés's daughter) at all. "How can you think about it, after what that fascinst Andrés did us?", he said. "He's dangeorus, don't you realize it?". Well, Irene agrees, but she was looking for job. She hasn¡t got another than Andrés's offer, and "Bolero"s sho doesn't give enouhg money for both. She also talked about with another brave lady, Manolita, the owner of the bar. Manolita said her that, despite the laws, women have right to decide by herselfs. ad more: they have right to be wrong. The, when Irene finally deciden to accept the job, Ubaldo said her: "You know, I can forbide you to do it, but I''m not this kind of husbands. But you're wrong!" and Irene answered: "Let me the right to be wrong!". And now she's teaching French to Almudena, despite Eulalia's oposition.
All this topic of "teaching French to Almudena", I think is a way to show how women were the main loosers of the Spanish Civil War: all of them, also Thatolic women like Eulalia that were in the Franco side. Durin the I Reublic (1931-1936), Spanish women get the right to divorce ant to vote. Franco toke all these rights off to women, and made them depend on their husbands, worst than before 1931: Andrés could force his wife to accept Irene, despite knowing his lust for her.
There is in parallel an exemle in the series of what happenend then wih women in Spain: the family of the bar were talking about the premiere of "Mogambo"in Madrid. tjhis movie, started by Clark Gable, Ava Gavner and Grace kellyu, was a sensation then in Spain. But had a strange tranlation that made all the Spanish public to ask why Grace Kelly' s brother in the movie had jalous of Grace Kellu's atraction to Clark Gable. and yes, it was strange! Really, in the film Grace Kelly had a hasband but is attractet to another man, Clark Gable. In that Spain, it was a bad example for women, and converted an adultery in incest!
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Post by overtherainbow on Oct 28, 2010 12:37:19 GMT -5
This storyline (Richi & Ubaldo) had so much potential.. and yet they go ahead and destroy it! Awesome. Truth be told, I don't really care anymore as long as they are over, and it certainly looks like they are. But thanks to carmelabcn and your amazing recaps! It was much appreciated for those of us who don't speak Spanish And please don't hesitate to let us know if there's a new gay character on Spanish tv in the future. I love watching Spanish storylines, well, at least the ones they do well, Like Fer & David before last season when the writers f*cked everything up, and this season pretty much sucks. But whatever. I must admit, I did enjoy this storyline as long as it lasted, same with the short gay storylines in Doctor Mateo and Hospital Central. I guess I'm just annoyed because it had so mutch potential, and it was over as soon as it started I think it's really unfair that the lesbian storyline on the same show lasted for many seasons. And we only got like 5 episodes of gay content! :S
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Post by jjose712 on Oct 28, 2010 16:11:38 GMT -5
Well the show was very shy in gay storylines, because Sito never follow his feelings till his death, in fact he marry a woman (well that was in the first two seasons, long time ago).
I just watched part of todays show, and the policeman is creepy.
By the way, the gay storyline in Hospital Central wasn't exactly over, but for no reason, telecinco didn't air the new episodes
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Post by carmelabcn on Nov 8, 2010 8:52:22 GMT -5
In the last episode, there was a very short ubaldo&Richi scene.
"Thanks" to the Spanish political police that is besieging him. Ubaldo is in the verge of the ruin. They searched at his home (but only found 2 books of "red" poets, Garcia Lorca -"red" and "b...r", as they said- and Pablo Neruda -"red" and "Chilenian"); they're homophobic and racist, of course). Also, in his shop, but in this place thy "only" broke the LPs.
The political police want to find something illegal in Ubaldo to have a reason to destroy him . They are furious because someone killed one of these men, "a red like you", they said him. Tehy still don`t have found anything illegal, so thiy want to ruin him: not only he has his shop destroyed; he has to pay a very hign fine for the illegal record (the Spanish republic hymn they "found").
The main costumer of the shop is the dance studio, so ubaldo went to talk with joaquín (Adelina's husband), to explain him what has happedend. Ubaldo wanted to ask Joaquin to pay him in advance the records' renting for him to have money to buy them. But Joaquín thanked him his information for him to have time to look for another supplier.
Then ubaldo was outing sadly from the dance studio, he met Richi. "Ubaldo! What a chance!" he said. and ubaldo, sadly, answered: "Yes, it's here where we met the first time, darling!" and went out.
Richi doesn't appear in the preview for today. but I think that in Ubaldo's present circunstances, his homosexuality will have a role. What Richi's short appearence means is, or remembers us ubaldo's sexual condition, or tells us richi continues in Ubaldo's life. both are very dangerous for ubaldo, with the political police looking for his destuction
His case remembers me to Miguel de Molina, a Spanish gay singer that was beated for people of Franco's rule, and had to went out from Spain, to Argentina where he died (there is a movie in tho parts with his life, "Las cosas del querer"). In both cases, important people of Franco's rule has private reasons to destroy someone and uses the sexual condition of their victims to destroy them.-
Another important thing that has happened with Ubaldo was a illegal one: he listenend with Pelayo, the bar's owner (the Asturian man), a illegal radio station, "La pirenaica". it was aired byy people of the Spanish Communist Party in Romania, but hery make their listeners to think they were in the Pyrenees Montains (between Spain and France) Pelayo was one of the people that fought against Franco in the Spanish civil War (a looser of this war). and uses to listen this illeegal radio station. Ubaldo listened it with him a night when it was aired a special about Guatemala, with President Arbenz speaking his last speech. He began to cry, and past 2 days out of his home, drinking to forget the sufferings of Guatemalian people. He just came back to his home when the political police went there searching something illegal.
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Post by carmelabcn on Nov 10, 2010 13:11:07 GMT -5
As I thought, in yesterday's episode (n. 45), whe have watched Ubaldo&Richi kissing and, it's suposed, having sex. Right now, they aren't a couple, "only" friends that have sex. But it's clair they feel a strong attraction each other, and both said they missed each other. Ubaldo was who called Richi to meet him in a cocktail bar. He was sad because he felt betrayed by his wife. Irene hid him she asked Andrés for money (an advance on the French clasess for his daughter Almudena) to pay the fine. But Irene did one more thing to avoid the fine. Brave lady as she is, and to protect Ubaldo, she went to the boss of the political police to tell him she would do "everything" to solve this problem. Well, she offered to pay the fine in exchange for sex. Of course she didn't tell anything to Ubaldo, but the boss of the political police went to the shop when Ubaldo and Irene were there, and told them that the fine had an administrative mistake and it had been annuled. Instead of been happy to have his problem solved, Ubaldo was furious because he though his wife had lied him another time when she said him she didn't speak with Andrés about this topic (well, she didn't lie: it's the political police the person who she talked with). It was then when Ubaldo met Richi. The dancer clearly flirt with him but Ubaldo, drinking, talks about what happened with his wife. Richi makes him to change his mind about her: he has no reasons against her, a saint lady who lets him to live his life. Her lies don't matter, and if he has the problem with the fine solved, he ought to accept Irene's explanations and go on. Then, Ubaldo said: "But I feel disgusted when I think how Andrés loks an her". And Richi said: "You're jealous!". Ubaldo recognizes he feels something for her, a need of protecting her. and in this moment, richi reacts and tells him drinking is good for Ubaldo's joy, but he wants to make him happy. They went to the dance studio and kiss (and it's suposed they have sex). Richi says they are friends, but heir frindship doesn't avoid them to repeat and have moments like these. Afterwards, when Ubaldo came back at his home drunked, he apologizes Irene because he hasn't given her what she deserves (I think, he thinks he doesn't earn enough money, and doesn't have sex with her; but she doesn't miss sex -she was almost a child when she was raped in a nazi camp by nazi soldiers; for her, it's enought the affection Ubaldo gives her, and only misses to have children). Also he says he isn't in the position of feeling pride (and hurt pride). Ubaldo's feelings are complex. There is a poll in "Amar..." web page about this topic: www.rtve.es/television/20101102/ubaldo-richi-mantendran-una-relacion-amorosa/366957.shtmlI think he feels a kind of love for Irene, and she loves him and wolud have sex with him if he wanted. And Ubaldo, of course, is sexually very attracted to Richi and would love him if Richi wanted them to be a couple. So right now, Ubaldo gives sex to Richi and affection to Irene. In today's episode (n. 46), Irene (a martyr) has to suffer another time the boss of the political police: he went at her home to have sex with ther. It's clear she will continue with this suffering, that is a rape for her she can't avoid. and he went to her home soking and letting Ubaldo to know that a man has been at his home, to humiliate him. In the preview ofr tomorrow, Ubaldo is talking about it with Richi. This last one tries him not to be worried. In the preview for tomorrow (episode 47) thing are becoming bad for Richi: www.rtve.es/television/20101109/avance-del-capitulo-46-irene-paga-alto-precio-para-saldar-su-deuda/368977.shtmlThere is a character, a violent, wretched man who after fighting in Franco's side in the Spanish civil War, toke part in the Second Workd War with Hitler in the Russian campaign. Today we have discovered that this man, a pederast who hates gay people, forced Irene when she was almost a child to sing a child song with a short gun in her head (and it's suposed he raped her). The same song that three little girls (in the age she had then, about 12 years old) were singing in today's episode. Irene was then in Russia with her cousins because their parents wanted to avoid tehm the Spanish Civil War, and when it finished, hey have lost the war and these children couldn't to return to Spain. And tehn (1939) the II World War started. Irene lost her cousins in Stalingrado, and was catherd by the Hitler troops, closed in a nazi camp and raped. It's a very sad story, isn't it? This violent man, who has problems with everybody (he has been expelled from the Army), and another of his men killed a soldier of their Army because he was gay, as they say in the preview for tomorrow, and they look at richi and say they will do the same thing. Poor Richi, in tomorrow's episode!
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Post by carmelabcn on Nov 12, 2010 6:41:44 GMT -5
Episode 45: www.rtve.es/mediateca/videos/20101109/amar-tiempos-revueltos-capitulo/926343.shtmlEpisode 46: www.rtve.es/mediateca/videos/20101110/amar-tiempos-revueltos-capitulo/927330.shtmlEpisode 47: www.rtve.es/mediateca/videos/20101111/amar-tiempos-revueltos-capitulo/928462.shtmlIn yesterday's episode (47), Ubaldo discovers that a man had been at his home (smoking) and Irene was lying about it. He was annoyed and talked with Richi. Lately, Ubaldo talks with Richi only about his wife! "You looks jealous, but there is no reason for it, because you haven't this kind of marriage", Richi said. "In's just for this reason I'm annoyed", Ubaldo answers. "Between Irene and me there isn't any secret, seh doesn't need to hide anyting to me. But she's lying me. Something bad is happening with her, I'm sure, I know her for many years. And I'm discovering it". Well, he discovers Casares, the boss of the political police, smoking and realize he's the man that were at his home. He asked Irene, tant at the end confesses what happened, but told him she doesnt want to talk about it ever more. In the preview for today, Ubaldo wants to do something against Casares, and Irene tries to impedeit. Andrés also has discovered it, and is also furios (Casares didnt know the attraction Andrés feels for Irene). When Ubaldo went out of the cocktail bar and Richi remains alone, two people entered. Carreño, a man with a goatee, the violent, wretched man who (I think) raped Irene when she was almost a child at Russian campaing (1942). He was talking with the other man (Celso), that was in Russia with him, under his command. Thei said that Carreño killed there, that year, "Natalia", a Russian man that acted as a women with the Spanish soldiers. Straight ones had sex with "Natalia", they said because he hasnt any hair in his body, like a woman. Carreño didn't stand his thing and killed Natalia. Another homophobic attac was against a Spanish (it's suposed, fascist like them!) gay soldier. Celso remindered what the soldiers said about "Natalia" and though something to punish him: he toke down the gay soldier's pants and burned his fuzz. And they laughted remembering it. When they looked at Richi, they said: "This b...r would like Natalia. We could do the same thing we did with (the gay soldier, I dont remember his name)". "If we were in a war, we could do with him what we wanted, but in peace, pity! we must do a plan". Well, we're waiting what those men are planing against poor Richi, who in the preview shows he cant do well the dance lessons.
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Post by carmelabcn on Nov 14, 2010 8:09:25 GMT -5
Link with episode 48. The homophobic attac to Richi is at the very begining of it, (m. 4): www.rtve.es/mediateca/videos/20101112/amar-tiempos-revueltos-capitulo/929543.shtmlCarreño and Celso catched Richi when he was walking the lonely streets, at night, muzzled him (after calling him "b..r" and "shit" and adressed him as "her") and told him to play a game, what in Spain is known as "the Russian rulette". First Carreño fired, after, Celso did. "You're lucky", Celso said. Nothing happened, except Richi's terror. Carreño put another time his pistol in Richi's head and then we listen the same child song that (now we know it clearly) he forced to sing Irene in 1942, also with the cannon of his pistol in her head. Carreño seemed to be in another world and to want kill Richi, but Celso stopped him and they leave. The day after, Richi went late to the dance studio. Adelina scolded him when he arrived, and more when he began to dance. Of course, richi was still frightened and can't concentrate in the dance steps. Afterwards, (minute 33), he went to ubaldo's shop and broke to cry, explaining him what happened the night before. Ubaldo embraced him and comforted him.
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Post by carmelabcn on Nov 15, 2010 4:46:01 GMT -5
Link with episode 48. The homophobic attac to Richi is at the very begining of it, (m. 4): www.rtve.es/mediateca/videos/20101112/amar-tiempos-revueltos-capitulo/929543.shtmlCarreño and Celso catched Richi when he was walking the lonely streets, at night, muzzled him (after calling him "b..r" and "shit" and adressed him as "her") and told him to play a game, what in Spain is known as "the Russian rulette". First Carreño fired, after, Celso did. "You're lucky", Celso said. Nothing happened, except Richi's terror. Carreño put another time his pistol in Richi's head and then we listen the same child song that (now we know it clearly) he forced to sing Irene in 1942, also with the cannon of his pistol in her head. Carreño seemed to be in another world and to want kill Richi, but Celso stopped him and they leave. The day after, Richi went late to the dance studio. Adelina scolded him when he arrived, and more when he began to dance. Of course, richi was still frightened and can't concentrate in the dance steps. Afterwards, (minute 33), he went to ubaldo's shop and broke to cry, explaining him what happened the night before. Ubaldo embraced him and comforted him. Well, I have modified the last message because I have seen the episode another time and there is an important thing I haven't understood well. After Richi's explanations of what had happened to him, Ubaldo said him to leave the shop. "I have enough worked for today", he said. As he said to Irene at the end of the episode (the end of the day for both), he passed all the day with Richi. "It isn't what you think", he said her. He was talking with richi to calm him after what happened to him. and they talked about the lack of defence that gay people had. "It could have happened to me! Things ought to change. We have to do it", he said (he will be a gay activist... but he would wait better times!). "They will change", Irene said embracing her husband. These lasts words of the episode, of course, remember us how have change things for gay people in Spain. As I think walking the streets of the gay district of Barcelona (close to my home),not only hate attacks are specially punished, and gay people dont need to hide themselves: today Ubaldo and Richi could live together, married or not, as they wanted. This last scene happened when Ubaldo arrived at home at night. He was late and Irene was waiting him in their bed. She was orried because she thought he had gone to look for Casares, the boss of the political police. In fact, theday for them began with ubaldo's intention of reporting what Casares did to Irene to the police. but she tried to convince him not to do it: Casares is a policeman, they didnt believe him because nobody saw ir and it's her word against his's. and they have trat stuff of the Spanish Republic himn against them. it would be damaging for them. The main story in this episode was Ubaldo and andrés against Casares. In a scene after, Ubaldo accepts not to report Casares (as also Richi couldn't report what happened to him). so, he wanted to do something, to kill Casares. of course, Irene stopped him. She said that, if he does it, they also will kill him and she will lost him. "You promised me not to leave me never alone!", she said. "But somebody has to do something for stopping him", he said, leaving their home really annoyed (he gave a punch to a door, impotent). When Irene went to give the French lessons to almudena, Andrés said her he knows what happened to her with Casares, and not to wory becausehe never will bother her. Andrés is the person who could to do something to stop Casares, and he did it: he made his faithful man (his acoountant) to searchthe Casares weak point. and he found that the policemen who worked with Casares wanted him to be far away because he goes after all their wives. And in next episodes, we will see how Andrés takes advantage of that information to act against Casares. Now, Irene has a debt with Andrés. And I wonder what will happen the day ubaldo will meet Careño! This is a soap, and Carreño appeared at the neighborhood almost at the same time than his old victim Irene. And by chance, also attacked Richi. So the wretched man damaged the two most important people for Ubaldo.
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