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Post by chrolliforever7 on Aug 5, 2010 9:41:41 GMT -5
Omg this ep was AAAADORABLE!!!!!!!!!! Christians re-proposal was probably the sweetest thing I've ever seen. So genuine and loving, LOVED IT!!!
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joanna
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Post by joanna on Aug 6, 2010 10:16:14 GMT -5
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Post by mgh48 on Aug 7, 2010 9:48:58 GMT -5
Not getting the hate about this epi. It was moving enough to bring me out of lurk mode. I think the pacing was just right. For me. Going through that testing and waiting the results was probably the most terrifying time for me. I'd prefer NOT seeing even a fictional representation approximating the real thing heh. And the scene where Thore says to Jo "come here" was awesomely acted--by both. If anything, I'd have liked THAT scene to go on longer. It showed the true depth of feelings the characters have for each other. Over the months passed, we've had very few scenes so moving, IMO. Most have been rather shallow and bizarre---to me. This epi rates multiple views from me. Thanks to everyone who worked to bring this to us...you guys rawk, as usual!
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Post by thunderkat on Aug 7, 2010 10:25:12 GMT -5
^ There were definitely some transcendent moments, I think Jo and Thore are sort of incapable of being anything less than stellar. I think the main issues w. this SL 1. The topic of HIV is used as a tool to get Christian totally on board with the wedding time table. If that was the larger point of the story, the writers just didn't have to go there. They could've done it w. anything else. I have the same issue w. Olli's original proposal coming on the heels of Christian's health scare...(doesn't mean i'm not gonna watch and re-watch the proposal though...sigh...i'm smiling already) 2. The way the SL plays out intimates some pretty OOC-ness on behalf of the characters. It just makes it seem like they NEVER get tested -EVER and that's the true WTF aspect of the episode for me, especially when the writers gave them a 3 minute vlog about HIV awareness. Christian is too deliberate and focused to allow something like that to slip, and Olli is too savvy and knowledgeable to behave like such a noob. 3. (personal) The return of the two - epi arc. it's frustrating to get tantalizing hints of how good Thore and Jo could be. I want to enjoy chrolli like i would a filet mignon, take my time etc. But they insist on giving us the chicken nugget version of chrolli and it's somewhat distressing. But don't mind me, I seriously LIVE for angst between/ with the boys...I'm getting help I swear, I could quit any time I want....
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Post by lyddy3 on Aug 7, 2010 11:14:59 GMT -5
I want to enjoy chrolli like i would a filet mignon, take my time etc. But they insist on giving us the chicken nugget version of chrolli and it's somewhat distressing. I honestly think this is the best analogy I have ever heard ever.
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Post by mgh48 on Aug 8, 2010 9:02:56 GMT -5
For all that, I think Thore and Jo would have to have their own show.
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Post by thunderkat on Aug 8, 2010 11:26:30 GMT -5
^ From your lips to God's ears hon!! I think they've definitely got the chops to carry their own show. I could see them in a buddy-cop detective genre, dramatic with elements of cheeky fun and some bursts of action. But yeah, it's eps like this that to me, both showcase how great they are and how much they're in a sucky position in terms of exposure in this show.
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Post by chrolliforever7 on Aug 8, 2010 12:45:20 GMT -5
Holy crap i would DIE to see Thore and Jo with their own show! They could TOTALLY pull that off!!!!!
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Post by mycatfox on Aug 8, 2010 13:02:32 GMT -5
For all that, I think Thore and Jo would have to have their own show. I always thought the same: Thore & Jo should have their own show Their chemistry is out of this world and their acting is super believable (on screen, these two (str8 men IRL) are gay guys). All they would need is good writing , and voilà! The Ollian Show I could really see them playing anything ;D
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Post by lyddy3 on Aug 8, 2010 15:24:05 GMT -5
I WOULD LOVE THEM TO GET THEIR OWN SHOW! Although then they would have to leave VL, and maybe I'm wrong but without them I don't see VL being anywhere near as popular as it is right now...Then again, who cares, a Chrolli/Ollian SHOW. Maybe we could occasionally throw in Lydia and Ansgar for funsies, and Judith would have to be cast too....and Miriam - Ok I'm getting carried away...
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Post by Zam on Aug 8, 2010 15:37:07 GMT -5
I've been getting caught up on the chat here, and appreciate most of the sentiment/reaction to this week's story arc. The HIV arc was what it was. Par for the course. I'm very happy that Chrisitan's proposal after the test results didn't make me very squeamish and uncomfortable, as the spoilers for this story made me. At least it was attributed to, "I could have lost you" rather than "whew! you're not Positive, so of course I'll marry you." Even so, there is an ignorance at play in the handling of the story. Christian's proposal leads us to believe that people diagnosed as Positive immediately die. "I could have lost you." Um, not tomorrow, Schatz. Christian's heart was more likely to give out before Olli died of AIDS. I'm with the camp that finds the handling of this story to be ludicrous. Olli has hosted at least two charity/fundraising events at NL. There was the World AIDS Day vlog. How short does the show think our memories are? I'm all for suspension of disbelief...when it's plausible. The idea that Christian and Olli have spent the last two and a half years blithely screwing one another without getting tested is improbable. (It's not impossible). I'm also a little dismayed at the jumps some of my fellow posters made at the outset of this story. "Oh, they must be fucking each other bare." *sigh* Yes, they can get it from anal sex, but they can also get it from oral sex. I'm happy this poorly thought-out story has passed. The actors did a very good job with this "very special episode" crap the writers handed them. If Jo and Thore did not act the hell out of these episodes, we'd be having a very different discusssion about how the credibility of these characters was damaged by the sloppy efforts of the writing team. There are better ways of dealing with this subject, and it's a shame the VL writing staff didn't choose one of those better options. SPOILER: Will Olli and Christian's scare be redeemed when Lady Voldemort comes back from Spain after a one-night barebacked stand with some random dude? Will they encourage her to have more than just a pregnancy test?
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Post by husky14620 on Aug 9, 2010 21:59:01 GMT -5
The HIV arc was what it was. Par for the course. I'm very happy that Chrisitan's proposal after the test results didn't make me very squeamish and uncomfortable, as the spoilers for this story made me. At least it was attributed to, "I could have lost you" rather than "whew! you're not Positive, so of course I'll marry you." Even so, there is an ignorance at play in the handling of the story. I have to agree 110%, the poor writing has become very typical of VL since Chroust left. And I must add that it doesn't bode well for the future of the show. Christian's proposal leads us to believe that people diagnosed as Positive immediately die. "I could have lost you." Um, not tomorrow, Schatz. Christian's heart was more likely to give out before Olli died of AIDS. Agreed again, provided drug therapy began immediately. And any risky behavior also ended immediately, as well. I'm with the camp that finds the handling of this story to be ludicrous. Olli has hosted at least two charity/fundraising events at NL. There was the World AIDS Day vlog. How short does the show think our memories are? I'm all for suspension of disbelief...when it's plausible. The idea that Christian and Olli have spent the last two and a half years blithely screwing one another without getting tested is improbable. (It's not impossible). See above. ;D I'm also a little dismayed at the jumps some of my fellow posters made at the outset of this story. "Oh, they must be fucking each other bare." *sigh* Yes, they can get it from anal sex, but they can also get it from oral sex. Yes, it is human nature to think the worst, but it is also true that it is orders of magnitude more difficult to pass the virus through oral than anal. It is also more difficult to pass from bottom to top than top to bottom. These are well documented. It does NOT mean that these roles offer protection, but let's also acknowledge that unprotected anal receptive sex is the MOST common mode of transmission among Gay men. And drug use, especially the kinds that the other recently badly written story line involved, increase the rates of transmission additional orders of magnitude. I'm happy this poorly thought-out story has passed. The actors did a very good job with this "very special episode" crap the writers handed them. If Jo and Thore did not act the hell out of these episodes, we'd be having a very different discusssion about how the credibility of these characters was damaged by the sloppy efforts of the writing team. It is absolutely amazing to me that either or both have not been offered better roles elsewhere. I really hope that TAA actually gets made, and that their performance in that is as stellar as it has been on VL. It could lead to much greater things for them both. Although I would miss Olli and Christian terribly, I have enough good will and respect for Jo and Thore both, especially after GOOL, that I would sacrifice my selfish wish to see them play Olli and Christian "forever," and wish them to have that great success that moving on up WILL bring them. There are better ways of dealing with this subject, and it's a shame the VL writing staff didn't choose one of those better options. Amen, but we knew all along that VL wouldn't choose a better option. Feiler doesn't have the chops, or the courage, to do right by a story like this. Christian and Olli are our token Gays now. Jo and Thore will continue to shine through the crap that is being hurled at them by the writers, as they always do. And I'll try to remember to respond to your spoiler after it airs, as I can't reply without spoiling as well.
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Post by thunderkat on Aug 10, 2010 7:30:04 GMT -5
posted by Joanna in the spoiler thread, but thought it was appropriate here. [/url] is now up on AfterElton.com.....Some more Verbotene Liebe thoughts from Antony....who absolutely 'LOVED' the show last week...... Wow. Is that it? Talk about much ado about nothing. This show has had some very quick plot arcs, but I think this one might be a record. I think this entire thing was resolved in about 20 minutes. And if I didn’t have to write about it, it would have taken me less than that to forget about it.
I wonder what the point of this plot thread was. Was it to get Christian to decide to move the wedding up? I thought the plans were underway, if not fully defined. If that is the case, this was a sloppy way to do it. Not to mention how they completely glossed over a very serious issue.
There were no scenes of Christian and Olli actually discussing this problem, what it meant for them, how it could possibly impact them as a couple. We didn’t get to see them emotionally react to this dilemma. No sadness, no fear, no anger. Nothing. A totally wasted dramatic opportunity. Instead, we get a completely ridiculous scene with Constantine regarding his speaking Spanish and his upcoming tests. How nonsensical and pointless.
And so many other questions came up for me. Such as, why haven’t Christian and Olli been tested before this? They have been in a serious monogamous relationship for years. You’d think this would be something they would have already discussed.
Not to mention the fact that both of them have been hospitalized in situations where they each could have died. You’d think, if they were positive, that would have come up during those incidents.
And I was infuriated by Rebecca — even more than usual. She is obviously still mooning over Christian, and what was that garbage about gays having open relationships and cheating? She knows both Christian and Olli aren’t into that sort of thing, so why have her spout such ridiculous dialogue? Unless she was trying to stir things up. Because that’s the only way it makes sense.
Then again, it could be just bad writing, like the rest of this plot arc. [/quote]
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Post by lotuscat on Aug 10, 2010 13:45:30 GMT -5
Thanks T-kat!
This is such a great article. So many excellent points raised.
And thanks to Joanna for originally posting this.
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Post by lizg12 on Aug 10, 2010 20:34:01 GMT -5
I'm not the only one who saw this and thought of the 4/4/08 episode (4.12 mark) when Olli first touched Christian's shoulder, right? Or maybe I am? (They both reminded me of people I know who do all sorts of breast cancer fundraising/publicity/etc but refuse to get a mammogram because they 'don't want to know' )
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