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Post by luckycharm on Apr 7, 2010 21:21:58 GMT -5
PERHAPS that was put in as a deliberate pre-kiss pointer to the audience...so, yes, Christian kisses Rebecca but he most certainly isn't doing it because he's falling for her... I can see that - the deliberate pre-kiss pointer. I also think David's look after combined with..."Yeah..because he's gay" is meant to really be, "Yeah...because he's gay ?" David is desperately trying to squelch his fears of losing Rebecca by holding on to the hope that nothing could really come out of Christian/Rebecca because he's gay (hope, hope, hope!). I think that line by David was more towards *Spoiler: David/Rebecca <3 storyline* and David's character and feelings for Rebecca. They truly were! YES! That quiet, deliberate "Look at me!" It was so intimate, so frustrated, so fearful, yet, so forceful. Brilliantly executed by Thore. What I did find awkward, even with Thore, was between him and Rebecca, 5:34 on, as soon as the hands landed.....Christian's puzzlement at his hand on top of Rebecca's seemed contrived (not that he put the hand there on purpose)....just that the acting felt kind of weak.....and it's not cuz I'm hating on Chribecca. I actually don't mind Rebecca. To add: Rebecca did an underhanded move today....little devil..."mistakenly" letting it slip, thus, piquing Christian's curiosity, which led him to find out about Rolli's kiss. She might not have "intended" it, but, she sure as hell wanted to, subconsciously, at some level...."tell" Christian. Nice job! We'll make an Olivia outta you yet!
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Post by brownsugar on Apr 7, 2010 23:06:03 GMT -5
I noticed that too Joanna, it was pretty fucking disgusting..... what the fuck are these writers doing?!?! are they trying to KILL US?!?! I don't believe that line is meant as ANY kind of foreshadowing for Christian and Rebecca as a future pairing. I also don't believe Christian kissed her because he's falling for her...as I don't believe he'll EVER fall for her. I think that song was probably just meant as a 'generic' one to fit the 'moment' they were sharing, with Rebecca about to kiss/kissing the man she thinks she's madly in love with and Christian...well, in that scene his heart felt like it was breaking. He basically just felt sad, insecure, in need of reassurance, disappointed in Olli, very upset with Olli...just a bit, well, broken and messed up...and who just happens to be right there at precisely this moment?....Yep... Yuck. Anyway, I basically think that the song/lyric used for the kiss wasn't an appropriate fit. I don't think it was meant to be mean what some might take it to mean. I won't spec on what would have been a far better song to have used...but, well, let's just call the song chosen as a 'regrettable' one. Right, subbed vid here I come... Just got through watching the ep. I had to force myself to re-watch the ending to get a clear picture, but I needed to especially after reading some of the opinions here. Nitty...I do agree with you and others like tihkon who see Christian and Rebecca's kiss as purely revenge for Olli kissing Rob. Christian is feeling so hurt, betrayed, confused and vulnerable of which Rebecca takes full advantage. And I'm not letting Christian off the hook either since he is simply using Rebecca as his revenge tool without a second though for how this could affect her emotionally. But this is Christian...acts on impulse and then thinks about the consequences later. I do admit I hated with a passion seeing Christian kiss up to Rebecca. I'm actually not going to watch the ending of that clip again. I have no problem re-watching the clip but will press stop when it reaches the part where Christian's hand falls on top of Rebecca's, as she looks dreamily into his eyes. Ones stomach can only take so much. Someone posted earlier that it didn't seem right the way Olli told Christian about the kiss at NL...and I agree. Something so serious should have been told in a quite secluded area of NL or up in the flat. Olli could have told Christian that they would talk about it later in private. I think there would be room for that scene to have played out better. It just didn't seem plausible to me that Olli would blurt out his confession in a fairly crowded NL, especially knowing Christian's jealousy and hot temper. I would have been afraid he would make a scene. What I really hope is when it finally comes to Olli and Christian making up we get a good length of time on a make up kiss. Christian and Rebecca's lasted longer than any we have seen between Olli and Christian in over a year. Most of their kisses are cut off at the end or quick little kisses. They have had beautiful love making scenes together but no way have I seen the kind of lengthy face sucking that I saw at the end of today's ep between Rebecca and Christian. And to add insult to injury, we get a few seconds of a brief lip lock with Rob and Olli. Oh the injustice of it all. I agree that the acting today from both Jo and Thore was superb. The best in a long time. I also thought Max did a great job of portraying Rob as the slimy predator that will not go silently into the night until he gets his pray. As for Jasmin Lord...I simply detest the character of Rebecca. Nevertheless I can separate my feelings for the character of Rebecca and the actress Jasmine Lord...She remains a very poor actress. Can't way for tomorrow. ;D
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Post by mycatfox on Apr 8, 2010 0:31:58 GMT -5
Another Chrolli ep. that I really liked...Though it was hard to watch Christian kissing Rebecca . I agree with previous comments: Christian kissed her because he was pissed off, she happened to be there, and he knew she had a crush on him. Of course none of these reasons justified his stupid, thoughtless and unconsidered behavior Jo and Thore's acting was great; Jazmin is still a limited actress...but she looked stunning (her wardrobe keeps being a disaster, though ) It's obvious Rob & Becca are just vehicles to shake Chrolli's ground up, but I found very unfair that Rob and Olli's kiss was so lame by comparison to Chribecca's, that it was soooo charmingly filmed (hence, so painful to see)
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Post by JustaMannsMan on Apr 8, 2010 2:44:47 GMT -5
Ollie HAD Christian with the point that Christian ALSO didn't tell him about the kiss with Miriam. Personally, I was a bit put off that Olli even went there. Using someone else's mistake to justify your own is a pretty weak position to take. If the fact that Christian didn't immediately fess up about kissing Miriam has enough weight and meaning to be relevant here, doesn't that mean Olli's failure to come clean about being kissed by Rob is even worse, if only slightly? I get that the argument is used to supposedly facilitate understanding, but does it? If Christian opts to keep Olli in the dark about kissing what's-her-name, does he get to say 'You didn't tell me about kissing Rob'? Then, does Olli get to take another turn with it? The problem with Olli's response regarding the Miriam kiss, is that it shifts the focus of his own mistake away from him and onto Christian. Not only does that fail to address the issue, but also it leads to the kind of tit for tat finger wagging that one expects on a playground rather than in a mature relationship. It's a rookie error that many young couples make and some never get past it. If you make a mistake, that's on you. Bringing up a prior mistake made by your partner doesn't change that. People aren't perfect; they make mistakes. And the best way to deal with a mistake is to admit it, apologize for it, and ask for forgiveness.
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Post by I ♥ Blaine on Apr 8, 2010 2:53:55 GMT -5
Just got to the end of Nanna's unsubbed vid (subs to come...)...and...gawd...VL had the line 'We could last forever' overlaying the moment just before Christian and Rebecca kiss when Christian is staring at her...*Blooming Nora smiley*! 'Nice' touch........ I noticed that too. Eff you VL music department. EFF YOU!
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Post by katiem26 on Apr 8, 2010 3:48:28 GMT -5
Ollie HAD Christian with the point that Christian ALSO didn't tell him about the kiss with Miriam. Personally, I was a bit put off that Olli even went there. Using someone else's mistake to justify your own is a pretty weak position to take. If the fact that Christian didn't immediately fess up about kissing Miriam has enough weight and meaning to be relevant here, doesn't that mean Olli's failure to come clean about being kissed by Rob is even worse, if only slightly? I get that the argument is used to supposedly facilitate understanding, but does it? If Christian opts to keep Olli in the dark about kissing what's-her-name, does he get to say 'You didn't tell me about kissing Rob'? Then, does Olli get to take another turn with it? The problem with Olli's response regarding the Miriam kiss, is that it shifts the focus of his own mistake away from him and onto Christian. Not only does that fail to address the issue, but also it leads to the kind of tit for tat finger wagging that one expects on a playground rather than in a mature relationship. It's a rookie error that many young couples make and some never get past it. If you make a mistake, that's on you. Bringing up a prior mistake made by your partner doesn't change that. People aren't perfect; they make mistakes. And the best way to deal with a mistake is to admit it, apologize for it, and ask for forgiveness.[/b] Tit for tat never works and usually comes back to smack you in the face. They seem to be so hurt that they have forgotten how to talk to each other.
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Post by JustaMannsMan on Apr 8, 2010 4:12:24 GMT -5
I know we'll probably all never come to a consensus in terms of who is holding the higher moral ground (though Miriam seems to be the strongest contender at this point) but we can definitely all agree that they boys haven't been given something this meaty in a long time and We're going to be seeing a lot more of them in the coming weeks That in and of itself is a treat. I totally agree. I stand corrected. I suppose this means I'm gonna have to let you win at Scrabble too. (and we'll be in here even longer if'n I can figure out how to make one of those animated avi's.... ;D naw, I wouldn't dare... would I? Speaking of which, in yours the shot on Olli's butt is a little dark - like a black hole that just sucks up all the light in the frrr.... oh wait, nevermind.)
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Post by silverkitsune33 on Apr 8, 2010 8:01:39 GMT -5
I ♥ Thore..your icon makes my day brighter.
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Post by joanna on Apr 8, 2010 9:14:12 GMT -5
Just got to the end of Nanna's unsubbed vid (subs to come...)...and...gawd...VL had the line 'We could last forever' overlaying the moment just before Christian and Rebecca kiss when Christian is staring at her...*Blooming Nora smiley*! 'Nice' touch........ I noticed that too. Eff you VL music department. EFF YOU! As if we could last forever *listens to that lyric again* Oops, I didn't catch the 'as if' bit before....Umm, oops..... ...Still think another song should have been used there. For one instance, the 'we could last forever' comes across a lot more noticeably to the ear than the 'as if' part. So unless you're really paying attention to the lyrics at this 'point'.....
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Post by katiem26 on Apr 8, 2010 10:59:53 GMT -5
As if we could last forever *listens to that lyric again* Oops, I didn't catch the 'as if' bit before....Umm, oops..... ...Still think another song should have been used there. For one instance, the 'we could last forever' comes across a lot more noticeably to the ear than the 'as if' part. So unless you're really paying attention to the lyrics at this 'point'..... well ive watched it again with sub titles and still didnt hear the song. I think my brain must be switching off so i dont acknowledge the kiss. what a great defense system i have
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Post by kes on Apr 8, 2010 20:35:30 GMT -5
(Mitsaso: That woman on the bike is actually hot. Fieler is kind of cute, too, but don't tell her I said that. I actually think her writing can be quite good sometimes -- I just don't get why sometimes it is so horrible.) You like them big butts, don't you Kes?! I always knew you were a closet chubby chaser! Now let's convince Feiler to drop this Robecca bullshit and pull for a Chrolli feeder storyline!! Christian can be all angsty and teary as Olli force-feeds him apricot cheesecake!!! ;D Joanna darling, do the caps who shall-not-be-named but you can always "play" with them before you upload them... ifyouknowwhatImean! ;D Nitty: I'd give you a BJ for that awesome post but I'm getting some technical problems... I'll get back at you. You crack me up!
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