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Post by thunderkat on Apr 7, 2010 18:30:09 GMT -5
whoa! i <3 thore is changing her avi! nice.
Danke Nanna and the gang Feiler...you know how we feel about you.
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Post by kes on Apr 7, 2010 18:32:16 GMT -5
Whew, ok you said it it's out there, you're a brave soul. Now open the blast doors and let me in before they get me too! because I agree eep! I come bearing moon pies and canned goods. We're gonna be in here for a long time... Yeah, the writers intentionally had Olli say precisely the wrong thing here. I kind of saw it as Christian has Olli cornered, you know hes up against a rock and a hard place and it's not the hard place he's accustomed to. Plus there was something unique about Christian's delivery of the interrogation this time. Really cool focused and calculating, to me it came off like there was no one in their own little private infidelity hell but them, and then miriam's dropping the glass served to bring Olli back into the real world and as a sort of metaphor for the state of their relationship. What i don't get, and even though i loved it, what I don't get is why Chrissie goes back up to the flatshare? to change out of his clothes? did he want to be freshly pressed for Becky's lips? I feel like if your BF just admitted to kissing the biggest douchebag you've ever met since - I dunno, pick your favorite D-bag and insert here - why go upstairs? i feel like Christian would just walk the F out of NL and take a really really long walk... PS. The Rolli kiss was a total let down, why do you think Kes and I are salivating over these 3 extra seconds? we need more. C'mon Feiler... come through for me baby. Thunderkat and JustaMannsMan: Wonderful posts. Thunderkat: I live for your icons. I will say this about the Rolli Kiss: When Olli sucked on Rob's lower lip for the 1/4 of a secons -- woe. It reminded me of one of my favorite fan fics . . . (Thunderkat, when will we get chapter four? And don't forget the importance of foreplay.)
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Post by FTLNewsFeed on Apr 7, 2010 18:32:21 GMT -5
I was joking w/ my friend Mattia about how we should be awarded bumper stickers for enduring today's kiss, and he actually made me one! ;D Danke, Mattia! /me looks into his crystal ball and foresees GOOL buttons worn by the attendees...
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Post by JustaMannsMan on Apr 7, 2010 18:32:21 GMT -5
Oh no you don't, my little minx. Whew, ok you said it it's out there, you're a brave soul. Now open the blast doors and let me in before they get me too! because I agree eep! I come bearing moon pies and canned goods. We're gonna be in here for a long time... Now pass the pies and cans and shimmy on under the door, I can't hold it up much longer. (and don't fret tihkon's phaser... he shoots like a girl ;D) I agree about Christian's delivery, it was deadly serious and startlingly controlled. And I agree about going up to the flatshare. That's why I wish they'd have played the scene all in one without a cut. I think it would have been more interesting to have Olli's feet to the fire for the whole thing, rather than give him time to think - especially since I don't feel he did a great job defending/explaining himself. Walked right into that one, eh?
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Post by I ♥ Blaine on Apr 7, 2010 18:39:10 GMT -5
whoa! i <3 thore is changing her avi! nice. I did it I prefer my last one though... it was a gif of one of the hottest Chrolli scenes ever (Christians sordid lockeroom dream). I do agree with those who said there was something hot about that last Chribecca scene, and I know what you mean. It certainly wasn't hot because it was Chribecca... I focused only on Thore's beautiful face and lips... ;D Probably imagined myself in Rebeccas place... But the hotness was brought by him as he makes the screen steam up regardless of what he does!
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Post by FTLNewsFeed on Apr 7, 2010 18:51:30 GMT -5
FARK!!
Just got done watching it...
All I can say is:
A) Christian, you never trusted Olli! If you had you'd never of acted the way that you did around Rob.
B) Christian didn't know what was going on with that kiss, but by the end he wanted it, he definitely gave himself over to abandon.
Argh... breathe, FTL, breathe, we will get through this and onto better Chrolli days ... the writers SOOO owe us for this!!
The bright light is that this isn't a weekend episode so we won't have 2/3 days to angst over this crapolla.
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Post by tihkon2 on Apr 7, 2010 19:02:25 GMT -5
Heh...funny how people can see the same exact scenes and see totally different things. ;D
A) I think Christian did trust Olli and that's why he's so hurt now. Olli deliberately hid the truth from Christian and lied to his face one more time literally seconds before admitting there was a kiss.
B) I still have to say, I saw no wild abandon in the Christian/Rebecca kiss. But willful determination, yes. Lots.
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Post by kes on Apr 7, 2010 19:04:33 GMT -5
Thanks so much Nanna!!!
I have to say something that people may not like: I thought Jasmine did a great job today. She's pretty and sweet and dopy -- all kinds of cute (though only a kid).
It's not her fault that the pairing doesn't work for us.
Anyway, my heart belongs to Rob. (And Tanja -- see a pattern? No wonder I love the idea of Rolli/ Ristchian.)
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Post by irinobabe on Apr 7, 2010 19:06:18 GMT -5
After the burning from my eyes started to fade, I have to admit I'm loving the drama and the angst and the misunderstandings and the jealousies and the petty behaviour and the injured pride and the- I'm- more- justified -in being -mad- than-you because c'mon...really, we have all done something irrational or petty at some time in our lives (well, I think I can safely say for myself I have...hello twenties...) It is soooooo much fun to see the fantastic acting range of the guys, and to see them do much more than just be window dressing and looking cutesie. If they have a massive blowout think how massive the reunion could be. Um, ok, maybe best left for the fanfic section...Yowzers. I just wish they had a character more compelling than Rebecca to throw into the mix. Rob reminds me of Dr. Reid Oliver on ATWT...snarky, controlling, and a little dangerous...well-written and well-acted. Too bad Rebecca has to be so...just...blah.
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Post by pedronrf on Apr 7, 2010 19:10:35 GMT -5
Sorry, I didn't get that impression at all. They show him twice making these eyes shifts during the kiss, and his expressions to me implied that this was purely a kiss specifically to "pay Olli back". He looks to me during the second eye shift as if he's consciously deciding to deepen the kiss. For me, it was definately a "revenge kiss". Was Christian right in doing this? No way. IMHO, he's in character though. His anger and hurt about Olli omitting the truth about Rob kissing him has led him to this situation where he's reacting to his hurt by lashing out. Never a good thing for Mr. Never Freaks Out. Also he just realized yesterday, that Rebecca has a huge crush on him. So he's fucking with her emotions as well. Mr. Mann needs a spanking if you ask me.... Great acting by Thore and Jo today! All right, I was going to suggest something simple, he was vulnerable, hurt, and Rebecca was a warm body, but watching it again I think Tihkon's right. To me his eyes go from "I'm hurting" to "I'll show you what Ollie" when he looks at her hand upon his. So I vote for the revenge option like Thikon said and before him Nitty. As for the spanking... do we really need an excuse for that
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Post by tihkon2 on Apr 7, 2010 19:11:24 GMT -5
Kes said:< sets phasers to: Obliterate > ;D ;D ;D PS: I feel for Olli in all this too. He's finally making something of himself and he's between a rock and a hard place right now. I can understand him not wanting to tell Christian about the kiss. it's like..."Rob is helping me immensely business-wise. I am finally getting someplace in my chosen career. But Christian hates his smarmy guts and he already knows Rob hit on me. He'll reeeeeaaaallllyyy go batshit if he finds out Rob kissed me and I might have to boot Rob , thus putting my career into the toilet." Hard hard place to be... I also have to reiterate, that in my opinion, the actors are doing some of their best work in over a year. Really digging their performances.
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Post by FTLNewsFeed on Apr 7, 2010 19:21:15 GMT -5
Heh...funny how people can see the same exact scenes and see totally different things. ;D A) I think Christian did trust Olli and that's why he's so hurt now. Olli deliberately hid the truth from Christian and lied to his face one more time literally seconds before admitting there was a kiss. B) I still have to say, I saw no wild abandon in the Christian/Rebecca kiss. But willful determination, yes. Lots. ;D That's why witness testimony is so unreliable A) How do you tell your boyfriend that the man that he has been completely jealous over for the past few months just kissed you? It might of helped Olli's case if he has been more regretful over it as Coco was after her kiss, but I still don't see Christian's complete trust in Olli as shining through. So I can understand why Olli was hesitant at first to lay his cards on the table before Christian. B) He did have willful determination, he determined to abandon himself into the kiss and damn the consequences.
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Post by thunderkat on Apr 7, 2010 19:36:09 GMT -5
tsk tsk kes. shoulda come into the bomb shelter. I like how Tihkon's phaser settings have limitless levels of power. But as justamannsman observed he does indeed shoot like a girl. unfortunately for us that girl is Tanja Von Lahnstein so... it was nice knowin' ya kes. ;D I know we'll probably all never come to a consensus in terms of who is holding the higher moral ground (though Miriam seems to be the strongest contender at this point) but we can definitely all agree that they boys haven't been given something this meaty in a long time and We're going to be seeing a lot more of them in the coming weeks That in and of itself is a treat. btw Justamannsman, Rob is not a "douchebag." He's a manipulative slimy asshole...but not a douchebag. if we're going to be locked in here together we're going to have to come to some kind of agreement... EDIT: Danke And kes... chapters 1 - 5 ARE the foreplay. ;D
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Post by FTLNewsFeed on Apr 7, 2010 19:51:16 GMT -5
I know we'll probably all never come to a consensus in terms of who is holding the higher moral ground (though Miriam seems to be the strongest contender at this point) but we can definitely all agree that they boys haven't been given something this meaty in a long time and We're going to be seeing a lot more of them in the coming weeks That in and of itself is a treat. Oh, no doubt. Their acting chops are getting quite the work out! I just wish it was in relation to something else, some other problem that was confronting them like should they honeymoon in Tahiti or Hawaii or should they try and take over the world again (... errr, wait ... that might of been Pinky and the Brain). As for the increased Chrolli time on screen I can't argue with that, but see my aforementioned response. Writers, if you're listening: We deserve a wedding after this fiasco!!
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Post by joanna on Apr 7, 2010 19:52:54 GMT -5
Just got to the end of Nanna's unsubbed vid (subs to come...)...and...gawd...VL had the line 'We could last forever' overlaying the moment just before Christian and Rebecca kiss when Christian is staring at her...*Blooming Nora smiley*! 'Nice' touch........
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Post by chrolliforever7 on Apr 7, 2010 20:04:41 GMT -5
I noticed that too Joanna, it was pretty fucking disgusting..... what the fuck are these writers doing?!?! are they trying to KILL US?!?!
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Post by silverkitsune33 on Apr 7, 2010 20:16:35 GMT -5
Yes Rebecca du bist eine blöde Kuh horrible to watch I know I won't eat tonight The only thing that was good : Chrobert ;D ;D ;D love is the in air ;D ;D What I don't understand is why Olli didn't say he was a bit drunk and that he pushed Ropp away Sylvain I think Rob pushed Olli away, actually. (He did it to manipulate Olli: he pushed away first so Olli would feel responsible.) However, I hope love is in the air between Olli and Rob. Oy! As for the kiss: At least Rebecca came towards Christian first. However, he obviously was into it . . . What can one say? I actually just went and rewatched the Rob/Olli kiss since I wanted to double check and from what it looks like to me: Rob initiates it and then Olli pushes away first. I suppose we can look at the bright side. At least Olli didn't kiss Helena. We all know his track record with crying women. =)
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Post by Nitty on Apr 7, 2010 20:26:53 GMT -5
B) He did have willful determination, he determined to abandon himself into the kiss and damn the consequences. No way, dude! The whole point of the kiss was the consequences. It was an eye for an eye, and only that. *argues*
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Post by joanna on Apr 7, 2010 20:27:40 GMT -5
I noticed that too Joanna, it was pretty fucking disgusting..... what the fuck are these writers doing?!?! are they trying to KILL US?!?! I don't believe that line is meant as ANY kind of foreshadowing for Christian and Rebecca as a future pairing. I also don't believe Christian kissed her because he's falling for her...as I don't believe he'll EVER fall for her. I think that song was probably just meant as a 'generic' one to fit the 'moment' they were sharing, with Rebecca about to kiss/kissing the man she thinks she's madly in love with and Christian...well, in that scene his heart felt like it was breaking. He basically just felt sad, insecure, in need of reassurance, disappointed in Olli, very upset with Olli...just a bit, well, broken and messed up...and who just happens to be right there at precisely this moment?....Yep... Yuck. Anyway, I basically think that the song/lyric used for the kiss wasn't an appropriate fit. I don't think it was meant to be mean what some might take it to mean. I won't spec on what would have been a far better song to have used...but, well, let's just call the song chosen as a 'regrettable' one. Right, subbed vid here I come...
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Post by luckycharm on Apr 7, 2010 20:31:02 GMT -5
Just got to the end of Nanna's unsubbed vid (subs to come...)...and...gawd...VL had the line 'We could last forever' overlaying the moment just before Christian and Rebecca kiss when Christian is staring at her...*Blooming Nora smiley*! 'Nice' touch........ I noticed that too Joanna, it was pretty fucking disgusting..... what the fuck are these writers doing?!?! are they trying to KILL US?!?! Have you considered that the song might be a significance for Chrolli, not about Chribecca? (edit, to add: joanna also doesn't believe it's a Chribecca song, just saw her ^ post) It's the intent of the scene, that trumps, not simply the characters present.... It's still Chrolli storyline, that kiss-that-shall-not-be-named. Rebecca is "helping" it along.....so, that song is speaking for Christian at the moment, imo. Not Christian/Rebecca. Secondly, logically, "Love REMAINS the same..." cannot possibly relate to Christian and Rebecca, as there is no reciprocal romantic love (yet, at least) between them, for anything to remain the same.It's very telling, as always with VL's musical scores. They're one of my primary go-to's for clues of how shyte will play out. Here's the full lyrics, now read the lyrics and imagine what's currently happening between (1) Olli and Christian and (2)Christian and Rebecca. Only one scenario fits Love Remains The SameA thousand times I’ve seen you standing Gravity like a lunar landing Make me want to run till I find you I shut the world away from here Drift to you, you’re all I hear Everything we know fades to black
Half the time the world is ending Truth is I am done pretending
I never thought that I had anymore to give Pushing me so far Here I am without you Drink to all that we have lost Mistakes we have made Everything will change But love remains the same
Find the place where we escape Take you with me for a space The city buzz, sounds just like a fridge I walk the streets through seven bars I had to find just where you are The faces seems to blur, they’re all the same
Half the time the world is ending Truth is I am done pretending
I never thought that I had anymore to give Pushing me so far Here I am without you Drink to all that we have lost Mistakes we have made Everything will change But love remains the same
So much more to say So much to be done Don’t you trick me out We shall overcome So all have stayed in place We should have had the sun Could have been inside Instead we’re over here
Half the time the world is ending Truth is I am done pretending Too much time, too long defending You and I are done pretending
I never thought that I had anymore to give Pushing me so far Here I am without you Drink to all that we have lost Mistakes we have made Everything will change Everything will change
I, oh I, I wish this could last forever I, oh I, I As if we could last forever
Love remains the same Love remains the same********* On another note: I'm probably in the minority but I really liked today's episode, save for a few "huh?" 1) Finally, Christian found out about the kiss 1 Huh?) Olli told a more damning version to Christian, of the kiss, than what really happened between him and Rob (him pushing Rob away - unlike what he recalled in his memory, kiss, which had Olli giving in - two separate versions...say what???)....Only rationality: Olli, are you getting a tiny bit sexually, and subconsiously, intrigued by Roberto Juan? My oh my.... 2) Olli's expression when Christian left him with a "Shit" at NoLimits. NICE ONE, JO, YOU SINFULLY HOT BASTARD! 2 Huh?) Not a very clean segueway from NoLimits up to their flat, to "continue" the conversation. Ollie HAD Christian with the point that Christian ALSO didn't tell him about the kiss with Miriam. WTF kind of a justification was that from Christian.... I was drunk(?) Christian, you naughty, spankable boy! You were not too drunk to remember, and you were sober enough the next morning, when you COULD have told Olli. I can't believe Olli let him off the hook. Olli was also drunk/hung-over with the Rob-kiss. 3) David's line, "And...he's gay", Christian/Rob short verbal pissing match...*snicker* loved it 3 Huh?) Christian, Mr. Hot-Headed Moral Soapbox King, had NOTHING to say about the fact that Olli made him APOLOGIZE to Rob for the "shove" because it was a seemingly closed-mouth-not-on-the-lips-goodbye kiss? No freakin' wayyyyyyy! If I was Christian, I would have taken Olli to TASK for that shyte, first and foremost. "And, you! You made me apologize to him knowing full well that he did indeed kiss you?! You and Rob both made me look like a FOOL! I bet you had a laugh about that, didn't you?!!" 4) Olli is Rob's BABY now! *smirk* The "shit"/"shit"/"shit" continuity (esp. Miriam's glass breaking into a *metaphorical* thousand pieces)....NICE! 4 Huh?) That kiss was AWK-WARD towards the end, more so from Rebecca's end. Kind of like Chrolli's first kisses. I think with acting partners, it takes a while to sync up, how to kiss each other and make it look flowy, "natural". More thoughts, perhaps, later....gonna go back and rewatch. HELLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOO DRAMAAAAAAAAA! Kuss to Feiler, and to the boys, I love to see them get to act ranges of emotions.
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Post by chrolliforever7 on Apr 7, 2010 20:32:14 GMT -5
I noticed that too Joanna, it was pretty fucking disgusting..... what the fuck are these writers doing?!?! are they trying to KILL US?!?! I don't believe that line is meant as ANY kind of foreshadowing for Christian and Rebecca as a future pairing. I also don't believe Christian kissed her because he's falling for her...as I don't believe he'll EVER fall for her. I think that song was probably just meant as a 'generic' one to fit the 'moment' they were sharing, with Rebecca about to kiss/kissing the man she thinks she's madly in love with and Christian...well, in that scene his heart felt like it was breaking. He basically just felt sad, insecure, in need of reassurance, disappointed in Olli, very upset with Olli...just a bit, well, broken and messed up...and who just happens to be right there at precisely this moment?....Yep... Yuck. Anyway, I basically think that the song/lyric used for the kiss wasn't an appropriate fit. I don't think it was meant to be mean what some might take it to mean. I won't spec on what would have been a far better song to have used...but, well, let's just call the song chosen as a 'regrettable' one. Right, subbed vid here I come... You got it, girl! ;D I too dont ever see Christian and rebecca ever getting together as a couple. It won't happen. You spoke the truth, Christian was all vulnerable and heartbroken, so in rebecca's mind "ITS TIME TO POUNCE!!" bitch.... SPOILER: but we know from the spoilers that Christian's not gonna think twice about this kiss...he's only gonna be concerned with how it will affect Olli.... END SPOILER. We all know that Christian loves Olli andddd we all know that Olli loves Christian. This stupid, stupid cow can try till she dies, she ain't ever gonna split them up. so TRY TILL YOU DIE, BITCH! GIVE IT A GO!!! sorry, i'm done now.
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Post by Nitty on Apr 7, 2010 20:42:46 GMT -5
The city buzz, sounds just like a fridge Well, judging by this lyric, this song was definitely intended to be about Christian and his true love.
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Post by luckycharm on Apr 7, 2010 20:44:01 GMT -5
^ LOL Om nom nom.... Okay, maybe his two true loves.
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Post by joanna on Apr 7, 2010 20:52:53 GMT -5
3) David's line, "And...he's gay", PERHAPS that was put in as a deliberate pre-kiss pointer to the audience...so, yes, Christian kisses Rebecca but he most certainly isn't doing it because he's falling for her... I thought Thore and Jo were brilliant in this episode. One particular line from Thore, and how he expressed it, is a prime example...the 'Look at me' to Olli. ...Though, going by how he looked when the camera then went in for a close up of his face, I think the editing was perhaps a bit off. Thore DEFINITELY wasn't 'off' today, though. As I said, I think he did excellent work in this episode...as did Jo.
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Post by joanna on Apr 7, 2010 21:01:35 GMT -5
As if we could last forever *listens to that lyric again* Oops, I didn't catch the 'as if' bit before....Umm, oops..... ...Still think another song should have been used there. For one instance, the 'we could last forever' comes across a lot more noticeably to the ear than the 'as if' part. So unless you're really paying attention to the lyrics at this 'point'.....
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