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Post by lety26 on Aug 11, 2010 21:43:53 GMT -5
Here is the problem Roman has. Just because he’s ready to be forgiven doesn’t mean Deniz is ready to forgive him. And it isn’t that Deniz isn’t receptive, because we saw from the kiss that he is. It’s just that he can’t forget Marc. He can’t get the images of Marc and Roman together out of his mind. And as he said he wants to be happy with Roman again. He doesn’t want the pictures of Roman and Marc in his head, but he just can’t escape them. Roman had to make this journey, in away that was probably inevitable. He had to find out that Deniz is IT for him. I think it would have happened even if Marc hadn’t shown up because Roman didn’t think he deserved the happiness he had found with Deniz and so he self sabotaged and used his lingering feelings and unresolved issues with Marc to do it. Now he knows without hesitation what he wants. Marc is his past, and Deniz is his present and future. He had to figure that out on his own, Deniz as much as they love each other couldn’t do that for him. Now Deniz is on a journey, now he’s unsure not only of himself but of Roman. He’s wondering what he did wrong, what he said or did to deserve what happened. He wants Roman, longs for him, needs him,(we saw that when Roman left and Deniz touched the spot on the couch where Roman had been sitting) but he can’t forgive him. He gave his whole heart to Roman. He did what Roman always said he wanted from Deniz, which was to grow up. He stopped thinking about himself and his happiness first and put Roman and their relationship first. So much so that he allowed himself to be talked out of listening to his instincts when it came to Marc. He’s gone from this confident at times cocky young man to someone who not so long ago was almost a recluse, sleeping in the living room because he couldn’t bare to sleep in his own bed because of the images that came rushing into his head. He’s in pain, he’s lonely and he doesn’t know how to deal with Roman. Like he told Roman, he can’t handle being close to him right now. Not because he isn’t receptive to Roman, but because he is. Because he wants Roman, wants to be held by him, wants to be kissed by him, wants to make love to him, but every time Roman holds him, his mind floats ghostly pictures of Roman doing all those same things with Marc. They come to him unbidden and unwelcome, but they come. He can’t stop them, even though he wants them to stop. The betrayal is runs so deeply, it’s taking a toll on him both mentally and physically. He doesn’t trust Roman nor does he trust himself around Roman. If Roman really wants to be with Deniz, then he has to wait for as long as it takes for Deniz to figure some things out. He has to give Deniz the space he needs to grieve all they lost and get to a place (if he can) where he’s willing to open himself up to what they could still have. Roman has to be the loving and patient one now. He has to let Deniz go through his process. That too is a way to fight for Deniz. No matter what Roman wants right now, no matter how much he loves Deniz and wants to be with Deniz, he has to give Deniz what he needs. He has to put what’s best for Deniz first. maybe receptive wasn't the right word to use LOL, I was trying to say that he can't handle Roman fighting for him right now, he needs space and was trying to find the word guess I used the wrong one LOL. but again agree with what you say.
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Post by vitacrudelis on Aug 12, 2010 5:13:32 GMT -5
I love the fact that Deniz finally has a friend he can talk to but who isn't Roman. *cuddles Vanessa to death* Oh boys, you break me. All those little touches and glances, the longing and rejection. And damn, that kiss. So tender but painful. You leave me wordless, boys. (Sending all my sparkle vibes and glitter to EKP and KISA. *points down* I DO BELIEVE IN FAIRIES! I DO! I DO!)
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Post by butterfinger on Aug 12, 2010 13:58:07 GMT -5
Yes, Vanessa is good for Deniz. With her he can cry without the awkwardness that's between him and Roman right now. Oh, Roman. *sniffs* And Deniz stroking the couch where Roman just sat before. *wails*. I love you boys - you are really the centre of this drama.
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Post by nano on Aug 12, 2010 18:48:24 GMT -5
I don't like Vanessa, but she is the right person for Deniz at the moment. He can talk with her about the situation.
My sympathy for Roman is gone.. He's to fast. What does he think.. that Deniz can forgive him right now? That's impossible. Everytime they kiss, Deniz will see Roman with Marc. I don't understand why Roman don't get that.
But.. oooh boys.. my heart was jumping when I saw they wanna kiss.. It was just a slow and painful kiss.. but I like it.. and I want it more.. and more..
But for now it is to fast..
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Post by LadyArmand on Aug 12, 2010 18:55:43 GMT -5
nano I understand what you’re saying, but I like I said before, I think Roman simply let how he feels about Deniz get the better of him for a moment. He knew it was too fast as soon as it happened which is why he apologized. But he was honest in that he told Deniz he tried but his can’t help how he feels about Deniz.
And I loved the conversation he had with Oliver. Because it shows us that Roman know he did push Deniz too fast when he tried to kiss him. He knows not only was Marc a mistake but one he might have to pay for, for the rest of his life because he might have lost Deniz for good.
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Post by talula on Aug 12, 2010 19:16:18 GMT -5
I don't like Vanessa, but she is the right person for Deniz at the moment. He can talk with her about the situation. My sympathy for Roman is gone.. He's to fast. What does he think.. that Deniz can forgive him right now? That's impossible. Everytime they kiss, Deniz will see Roman with Marc. I don't understand why Roman don't get that. But.. oooh boys.. my heart was jumping when I saw they wanna kiss.. It was just a slow and painful kiss.. but I like it.. and I want it more.. and more.. But for now it is to fast.. where did you get that impression Roman thinks like that? for me it's more than obvious the kiss was just an impulse he couldn't control and that's why as Lady said he apologized right away,he understood he crossed the line, i'm more than sure Roman realizes that Deniz is not ready forgive him and maybe thinks he will never give him second chance at all, conversation with Oliver shows very well that Roman doesn't have any illusions about situation betwen him and Deniz.
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Post by Pedris2 on Aug 16, 2010 16:33:18 GMT -5
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Post by nano on Aug 16, 2010 17:20:44 GMT -5
That's a very hot photoshoot. Wow, like the pictures!
The picture of Deniz on the table holding Roman, with his hand on Roman's face is very nice.
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Post by music on Aug 16, 2010 18:20:26 GMT -5
Thanks Pedris! It's greatly appreciated.
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Post by vitacrudelis on Aug 17, 2010 5:13:32 GMT -5
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Post by kicki03 on Aug 17, 2010 8:47:25 GMT -5
Great pics. Thanks Pedris.
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Post by tinasparkles on Aug 17, 2010 11:02:07 GMT -5
Holey Moley.... ;D *THUD*, wipes away drool... ;D.. what lovely piccies to look at, as i sit here with a Brew and a pack of choccy digestives.....yum... thanks to all for posting.xx
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Post by LadyArmand on Aug 17, 2010 16:25:46 GMT -5
Since there hasn't been any of the boys for a couple of day I put this together I hope you like it.
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Post by nano on Aug 17, 2010 16:40:12 GMT -5
Since there hasn't been any of the boys for a couple of day I put this together I hope you like it. I miss the boys. I also like the storyline Katja/Ben, but Roman/Deniz is my favourite. Thanks for the vid. I like it! The music sounds like a song they use in a commercial in the Netherlands.. What is the name of this song?
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Post by LadyArmand on Aug 17, 2010 17:02:02 GMT -5
Since there hasn't been any of the boys for a couple of day I put this together I hope you like it. I miss the boys. I also like the storyline Katja/Ben, but Roman/Deniz is my favourite. Thanks for the vid. I like it! The music sounds like a song they use in a commercial in the Netherlands.. What is the name of this song? I'm glad you liked it and the song is called How it Ends..
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Post by mh1717 on Aug 18, 2010 12:57:01 GMT -5
So, the boys are back today. I miss them... anyone watch to let us know something? I only get to watch thanks to the EKP ladies later on.
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Post by LadyArmand on Aug 18, 2010 13:04:44 GMT -5
Well, I watched it and while their interation was brief today it was telling. It really doesn't matter all that much what Deniz says to the contrary when push comes to shove, the first person he calls on when things get tough is still Roman.
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Post by camjakefan on Aug 18, 2010 13:05:00 GMT -5
Deniz has had some bad dreams and visions lately. I really felt for him when he dreamed Marian found that the had HIV and would no longer want him to be his son and then the worst part that Marian tried to drown him.
I like that Roman said that after training was over maybe he could come by and see how he's doing. Saying that to see how Deniz would feel about it. I'm glad he's taking what Deniz said last week seriously, about not being able to handle him around all the time.
i think we are starting to see some growth with Roman, not this huge big deal many were expecting but growth all the same. Because we know the first time around when they broke up Roman just could not let it go and chased after Deniz for the longest.
As for Marian don't always assume the worst about your son just because he vomited doesnot mean he's on drugs again. Can't he just be sick with the stomach virus like he said. But you know your son and when he's lying to you.
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Post by Pedris2 on Aug 18, 2010 13:46:49 GMT -5
Well, I also liked today's episode. Yeah, it is nice to see that for Deniz is Roman the first person who he calls, and regards Roman, so it is good that he slowed his pace a bit. I think, that's will be fine.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2010 17:55:33 GMT -5
It took long enough, but I'm really glad Marian is no longer in the dark about Deniz.
Deniz is getting more and more adorable to me, more than during his post-Marc depression, I don't know what it is. And someone in wardrobe might have a problem with Roman, because I had a hard time getting past his clothes today. But DG's little touches and facial expressions on the sidelines are still gold.
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Post by Zathras on Aug 18, 2010 20:52:34 GMT -5
Ep 992 from 18 August 2010 from EKP. Thanks!
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Post by Zathras on Aug 18, 2010 21:10:08 GMT -5
Aww, Deniz. His problems are so very deep . As for Marian don't always assume the worst about your son just because he vomited doesnot mean he's on drugs again. Can't he just be sick with the stomach virus like he said. But you know your son and when he's lying to you. That bugged me a lot today. Marian has been jumping to lots of conclusions lately, making lots of accusations (see: Jenny, now Deniz). It certainly didn't help Deniz's feeling of self-worth when his dad burst into his bedroom and accused him of being a druggie and a dealer .
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Post by camjakefan on Aug 18, 2010 21:55:19 GMT -5
Aww, Deniz. His problems are so very deep . As for Marian don't always assume the worst about your son just because he vomited doesnot mean he's on drugs again. Can't he just be sick with the stomach virus like he said. But you know your son and when he's lying to you. That bugged me a lot today. Marian has been jumping to lots of conclusions lately, making lots of accusations (see: Jenny, now Deniz). It certainly didn't help Deniz's feeling of self-worth when his dad burst into his bedroom and accused him of being a druggie and a dealer . You could see it really bothered Deniz that his Dad thought he was on drugs again. Then how scared he was to tell him he could possibly be HIV+ . Deniz is so scared he will lose the only parent that loves him. He is afraid to disappoint him again. He knows he messed many times before and is scared one day it may be one time too many. The "Papa I don't wanna die" line just killed me. From his dream you could even see he still feels him being gay still makes him a disappointment to his father. But Marian did redeem himself by telling Deniz he will always be his son no matter what.
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Post by LadyArmand on Aug 18, 2010 23:11:43 GMT -5
What I really liked is that even though Deniz explained why he did what he did. He took responsiblity for himself. He said it was his fault. It would have been so easy for him to blame the whole thing on Roman. I love the man Deniz has become.
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Post by Pedris2 on Aug 19, 2010 12:46:17 GMT -5
Well, today's episode was amazing, and at the end as Roman and Deniz hug, it was wonderful and I think that Roman now very well aware how much he hurt Deniz.
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