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Post by Zathras on Aug 2, 2010 19:41:18 GMT -5
Ep 980 from 2 Aug 2010 from EKP. Thanks!
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Post by Zathras on Aug 2, 2010 19:45:13 GMT -5
So ... have you hit rock bottom yet, Deniz? You did alright today, Roman. At least you didn't call him a "loser". Ingo's still being a jerk. Annette's trying to help. I'd like to see her try to help Deniz, too. Katja, just stay with Tom. You're good together .
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Post by LadyArmand on Aug 2, 2010 21:08:48 GMT -5
Yes Deniz is a grown man and making his own choices, even if they are horrible ones. Annette has that part completely right. Where she has to start listening is when Roman says that basically he’s the catalyst for those choices. Deniz wouldn’t have been put into the position to make these choices if not for Roman and his not being able to distinguish between real love(Deniz) and the memory of love (Marc).
Roman can’t fix Deniz. I think that’s the problem right now. He wants to fix it and make it all better. It’s coming from a place of pure love, but he has to realize he can’t fix this for Deniz. Deniz has to want to fix it and make it better for himself. He’s got to get to the point where he’s sick and tired of being sick and tired. I think we saw that today.
Deniz did something he would never have done sober, as evidenced by the fact when he had the opportunity to have sex with Patrick before (and he was sober) he couldn‘t bring himself to do it, especially not in that bed. And he was so high in fact that he didn’t even remember if he had Patrick had even used a condom or not. Fear is a great motivator. In that when all else fails, fear can snap you back into reality.
Hopefully Deniz has been snapped back to himself and will allow Roman to help him. But in the end he has to be the one to actually do the work and fix this situation.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2010 21:19:05 GMT -5
Deniz, Deniz, Deniz. Roman, Roman, Roman. Ugh, Ingo. Tom and Katja. Don’t make me enjoy this because it actually works. I already want to say poor Tom. He’s so obviously the better one to me. That Patrick's affableness the morning after slayed me.
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Post by camjakefan on Aug 3, 2010 12:52:50 GMT -5
Poor Deniz it just looks like he can't catch a break. When he broke down and cried in Roman's arms. I'm glad he let Roman be there for him. I could break Patrick's neck. I was glad to see he threw the coke away. The look on his face when Roman said he could stay the night made me laugh. It was like he said I'll accept your help but let's not go too far. At the end crouched by the refrigerator he looked so small. Igor is just blowing my mind he has been so awesme. I always forget that he can do dramatic as well because Deniz is always this kind of the goofy, charming, loveble guy but he has been just amazing.
Offering to sale the flat for Marian was really sweet. I love the moment between him and Marian. I love it when Marian is in Baba mode, that's when he's at his best.
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Post by megi307 on Aug 3, 2010 13:49:40 GMT -5
Crying Deniz always kills me. Poor baby, but Igor's acting is awesome !!!!! I know, Roman wants good, but I can`t imagine he asleep on the couch That's too much Shatz, you made me laugh !!! Anyway, today you really helped Deniz. This moment, when he cries in your arms was very sad but very beautiful at the same time *sighs* I think, it was a great episode I loved how Marian just hold Deniz, wonderful father/son moment !!!
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Post by mylu on Aug 3, 2010 13:59:11 GMT -5
so mush thanks for posting. My german may be more 40-50% but alteast the major things and i get to see it.
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Post by LadyArmand on Aug 3, 2010 15:05:18 GMT -5
I loved this episode because it illustrated something that I think sometimes gets lost in the phenomenon that is DeRo. Which is that all else aside they are actually very good friends. Even when the romantic thing isn’t working between them, they have been there for each other as friends. They have leaned on and depended on each other and proven that their love for each other goes far deeper and is stronger than the physical attraction they have for one another.
Deniz didn’t want to see his father, but he lets Roman in and without hesitation tell him what’s wrong, then proceeds to fall apart in Roman‘s arms. And Roman without rapprochement or judgment, just offers himself up as a help mate. He’ll do whatever he can to help Deniz get through this. Their friendship to me is the epitome of selfless (i.e unconditional) love. No matter what harm the other has done, they know deep down they can always rely on each other when things get bad. This was true when Bulle reared his ugly head again and Deniz offered to be Roman’s personal body guard and it’s true now.
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Post by vitacrudelis on Aug 3, 2010 15:15:51 GMT -5
GROCERY SHOPPING! \o/ Finally, someone realised the potential of such rivetting drama! Kidding aside, I'm so glad Show deals with this topic properly. The angst is almost palpable. *thumbs up* And Deniz gets his hugs he needs so badly. Poor boy. :'-( And thanks god, Roman is there for him and offers his help. But gosh, their looks kill me. And now, I want to reread Penalty Box. ;D
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Post by praderwilli on Aug 3, 2010 15:28:51 GMT -5
LOL, vita! Yes, thank god there were groceries today. And Roman bought them and put them away for Deniz. Surely there will now be a reconciliation between them. DeRo and groceries = OTP. It is DESTINY!
Also, I agree that was a great episode. I loved every minute of it. I can't wait to comment spam on YT today. Just wish I didn't have to go to work tonight. I've been enjoying my vacation way too much!
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Post by Zathras on Aug 3, 2010 20:05:36 GMT -5
Ep 981 from 3 August 2010. Danke, ladies.
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Post by camjakefan on Aug 4, 2010 12:47:25 GMT -5
Roman was so cute today trying to hide behind Ingo. Figuring he's the last person Marian wants to see. Aww Bunny Marian still loves he's just disappointed like he was in Deniz he'll get over. I still believe you will be his son-in-law some day.
My poor Deniz first Roman, then the HIV scare now his dad wants to leave Essen. It really sucks to be him right now.
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Post by vitacrudelis on Aug 4, 2010 14:04:52 GMT -5
Am I the only one who thinks that Roman living with Ingo right now just sucks? :/ (Yes, I can hold a grudge.) Why the heck does Flo avoid Tom? Did I miss some secret shagging in Bavaria? (Gunzenhausen is in Bavaria, like Munich, Y/Y?) And do I spot Annette's favourite bowl there? Important questions, I know. But damn, Deniz just can't catch a break. *cuddles him*
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Post by butterfinger on Aug 4, 2010 14:23:44 GMT -5
Gunzenhausen is in the South, yeah. But not quite that close to Munich.
Ah - but Ingo's crack about Marian and Jenny made me laugh so hard today!
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Post by Zathras on Aug 4, 2010 20:00:47 GMT -5
Ep 982 from 4 August 2010. Danke, EKP.
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Post by Zathras on Aug 4, 2010 20:03:53 GMT -5
Could Ingo stop now ... please?
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Post by LadyArmand on Aug 4, 2010 20:26:11 GMT -5
Zathras Ingo could and should but he won't, because honetly what else dose he have to do.
Poor Deniz, can't catch, beg, steal or borrow a break right now. It's just pain, pain, pain and oh by the way more pain.
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Post by camjakefan on Aug 5, 2010 12:47:43 GMT -5
Show couldn't you give us a few more longing looks from Roman while he watched Deniz in that ring.
Poor Deniz was so uncomfortable with Roman touching his hand he had to figure out a way to move and fast. Roman was so disappointed. Roman you have to give him time and prove yourself.
Was it just me or did it seem like Roman looked like his stomach was turning as he watched Ingo pose.
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Post by LadyArmand on Aug 5, 2010 13:10:34 GMT -5
I don't know. I think Deniz moved his hand because he liked the contact, but then he remembered what happened. Memory is a bitch. He looked down at Roman’s hand on his a couple of times before he moved it.
What I find really telling about their relationship right now is that Deniz so easily trusts Roman as a friend. I like the depth they are showing in the relationship. Because most of the time when someone cheats or there is some kind of betrayal, you don’t fall back into the friendship place so easily or if at all. Obviously Roman wants more and obviously Deniz can’t handle more right now. But for them to consider themselves friends at this point when only a week ago Deniz didn’t even want to be in the same room as Roman, just shows how much apart of each other they are. That their bond is damaged not broken.
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Post by camjakefan on Aug 5, 2010 13:16:50 GMT -5
I don't know. I think Deniz moved his hand because he liked the contact, but then he remembered what happened. Memory is a bitch. He looked down at Roman’s hand on his a couple of times before he moved it. What I find really telling about their relationship right now is that Deniz so easily trusts Roman as a friend. I like the depth they are showing in the relationship. Because most of the time when someone cheats or there is some kind of betrayal, you don’t fall back into the friendship place so easily or if at all. Obviously Roman wants more and obviously Deniz can’t handle more right now. But for them to consider themselves friends at this point when only a week ago Deniz didn’t even want to be in the same room as Roman, just shows how much apart of each other they are. That their bond is damaged not broken. Because he liked it I think that's why he was uncomfortable. Like you said memory can be a bitch. I think he liked but he felt like he shouldn't because of what happened.
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Post by butterfinger on Aug 5, 2010 13:17:50 GMT -5
LadyArmand - I agree. I think Deniz moved his hand because the touch was comforting and - don't forget - familiar! Then he remembered that he was still mad at Roman ... but I liked how he told him "let's get going", how he included Roman in his daily activities. LOVE pining Roman. He does it so well. Reminds me of those times in the 200-episodes when he was starting at Deniz' ass. He could do that again, too.
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Post by Pedris2 on Aug 5, 2010 13:29:17 GMT -5
I also agree with LadyArmand. Deniz liked the touch of hand from Roman and because he felt some calm down from the test results (although the first), so he took this touch as support, but then he probably realize that it is too early for such things and moved his hand away.
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Post by mylu on Aug 5, 2010 14:59:33 GMT -5
thanks for mush for doing this. B/c i get to tired to wait for it to be up and this way i get what the epi has been about sorta.
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Post by Zathras on Aug 5, 2010 20:36:02 GMT -5
Ep 983 from 5 August 2010 from EKP. Thanks!
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Post by Zathras on Aug 5, 2010 20:36:50 GMT -5
I agree about Roman's hand on Deniz's.
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