Chrolli 19/03/10 ep chat (+ caps/vids)

[sylstyle]

Mar 20, 2010 10:58:41 GMT -5 Lightness said:

Mar 20, 2010 10:57:29 GMT -5 sylstyle said:

Ok maybe I missed that deliberately ;D

Sylvain

I don't know how it is translated in Nannas video, because it is more about HOW he say it.

I have to watch it again, because I don't even remember what he said in German too

Sylvain

[Lightness]

Ah, yeah here it is:

Rob: So your not totally uninterested in me after all.

Olli: BUT I'm with Christian and that is a good thing.

[sylstyle]

Mar 20, 2010 11:02:37 GMT -5 Lightness said:

Ah, yeah here it is:

Rob: So your not totally uninterested in me after all.

Olli: BUT I'm with Christian and that is a good thing.

Ok then

Danke

ETA : and that's the same in German OK my mistake
Bad Olli ;D

Sylvain

[valso]

I finally got to see the episode and I enjoyed it more than I expected.
Ok, maybe I would have preferred another kind of storyline for Chrolli but at least they're not on the background anymore. I also like Rob because he's sexy, he's a good actor and most of all I like the fact that it's crystal clear that he is the classical bad guy and not in a root material kind of way.
Unfortunately the same thing cannot be said about Rebecca and this is the most frustrating thing about this storyline. I would love to be sure like some of you that Chrolli is still the end game but with character like Rebecca around I really can't read the writers intentions.
And it's quite a shame because I'm enjoying the Rob-drug-NL storyline and I would have totally loved it if it wasn't haunted by Rebecca ghost.

[ivaniv]

That's the thing with the spoilers (that BTW are not supposed to be here, but I am tired of shouting at people). You (think you) know what is safe and what is not in the story and it totally fucks up a viewing experience. If Oliver and Christian break up over Bob (and I would not be so surprised), I won't hold it against Rebecca if she bags Christian. I would have problems with her if she broke them up by manipulating Christian. But even if she behaves crazy, she's honest now. But if she's involved I think she's bound to be just a rebound g/f

[maya]

Mar 20, 2010 12:46:52 GMT -5 valso said:

And it's quite a shame because I'm enjoying the Rob-drug-NL storyline and I would have totally loved it if it wasn't haunted by Rebecca ghost.

I feel the same

[maya]

Mar 20, 2010 13:31:18 GMT -5 @ivaniv said:

That's the thing with the spoilers (that BTW are not supposed to be here, but I am tired of shouting at people).

For me there is nothing spoilerish about Valso's post. Rebecca involvment in Chrolli's or better Christian's storyline is not a spoiler

[lolaruns]

With Rebecca and Rob, I actually think their approaches are very different. Rob knows what he wants (whether that is Olli or only the NL), he knows he's an a*hole and he'll do what it takes and doesn't give a damn about Christian. I think he probably even likes the fight. Which is ok. Honest in its own way.

Meanwhile Rebecca at this point is more the little dream girl and her best case scenario would probably be for Christian to *magically* fall into her lap and for nobody to hate her (compared to Rob who probably doesn't give a damn about what people think about him). She *wants* to sit on her hands and have to do nothing to get him. So she doesn't want to do bad (she still might, you never know, but even with Gregor and Luise, she didn't start scheming until she decided that her "friend" Luise had "betrayed"/provoked her)

That doesn't mean that either one is less bad than the other, but where they come from still influences what they'll do. Kinda, you might have a serial killer who enjoys the pain of others and who knows he's a sadist or you might have a serial killer who lives under the illusion he's "saving people" or you might have a coocoo serial killer who thinks his toaster is talking to him (sorry, watched too much Criminal Minds lately). They would still all be bad people who kill others, but they'd still be very different.

It's kinda like Rob doesn't mind being the bad guy, but Rebecca still wants to be the good fairy princess. She might stay passive, she might go coocoo, she might find an excuse that justifies scheming to her, or she might get disillusioned and sway the David way. At this point we still don't know.

Or maybe Jasmine wants to put all that Miss Soap cred to good use and try her luck elsewhere

[silverkitsune33]

While I don't enjoy the constant "We're mad at one another! Now we're not! No, wait I forgot we still are! Oh hang on, I think we're okay again! Damn it still pissed!" merry-go-round this story is on I do enjoy it when they actually make some headway into the drama!

So this Rob kissing Olli stop was fun for me!

You can be in love, and in a committed relationship with someone, and still be attracted to another person (or multiple people). It's one of those common facts of life.

Remember when David first showed up and Olli got a very appreciative eye-full of shirtless new hot dude who he gave a very bright 'hello!" to?

So the fact that Olli's attracted to Rob is normal (especially since Rob tends to dangle "Hey! Look at all these bright shiny career building opportunities! in front of Olli's nose.). That he pushes Rob away is the important part. That he tells him what he has with Christian is good is the important part.

As for Miriam, I'm not sure if the writers will remember this, but I think she'll keep her mouth shut since Olli could throw "Hey! Remember when you made out with my boyfriend and I didn't fire you? Remember that?" back at her if she threatens anything. And honestly, unless her character does a 180 on us she's not the evil relationship destroying type. I bet it would be a slip out if that did happen.

Either way...am I the only one who's sort of excited to see the regularly scheduled Christian freak out?

P.s. Oh Olli. Alcohol for breakfast? Yeah, been there.

[Zam]

Mar 20, 2010 16:40:54 GMT -5 silverkitsune33 said:

As for Miriam, I'm not sure if the writers will remember this, but I think she'll keep her mouth shut since Olli could throw "Hey! Remember when you made out with my boyfriend and I didn't fire you? Remember that?" back at her if she threatens anything. And honestly, unless her character does a 180 on us she's not the evil relationship destroying type. I bet it would be a slip out if that did happen.

Yeah, but remember that Miriam wasn't an active participant in that kiss. Olli was mad about the kiss, but more because of all the liquor she served Christian.

She's the one who confessed to Olli about the kiss followed by her awesome line, "Am I still allowed to work here?"

She confronted him a week or two ago about his attraction to Rob. She works there and she knows what's going on with our boys. I wouldn't be surprised if she was the one who makes it clear to Olli that he needs to 'fess up...or else.

[Nitty]

I was thinking that maybe Olli will tell Christian about Rob himself, but leave most of it out (like the actual kiss) to ensure that Christian doesn't flip out too bad, & then maybe Miriam will overhear them discussing it & will put her foot in her mouth like she did after the last kiss.

But now that we have Rob's date book (or whatever) left behind, I'm thinking Rob might be the one to say something. Or maybe Rob will return after Miriam spills the news, & Christian will kill him. ;D

[mycatfox]

I did (mostly) like this ep. (what I didn't like I already posted it on the Bitterness Thread); Olli finally got caught in the Rob's spider's web he's been building since they met. I confess it was a little bit awkward (and painful) to see Olli falling so easily in the trap. But it makes sense since he & Christian are not at their best, Rob is impossibly hot (yes!), and is been hitting on Olli relentlessly . So after all, our Olli, the half of Chrolli, is only a human being, like everyone else

I loved Miriam's "I didn't see a f*cking thing" attitude (it was obvious she didn't like what she saw at all). Though she will probably (and conveniently) open her mouth, unleashing the fury of the other half of Chrolli

[brownsugar]

Mar 20, 2010 10:34:29 GMT -5 @ivaniv said:

Yeah, Olli keeps choosing Bob over Christian, because spending time with him does nothing for his career, while Bob knows how to tempt him. Olli is naive, he thinks he can have it all, he thinks he has to build his career now and care about his relationship later. All that hugging and kissing might as well be an over-compensation of his constant neglecting of Christian, whose coldness has a very good reason.

Ivan...I so agree with what you have written. I mean, did you see how olli's eyes lit up when Rob mentioned how he may have the opportunity to host some big celebrity party. The lust for NL to become the 'it' place in Dusseldorf was so evident in that scene. Olli was giddy at the very thought.

And I agree that Christian has good reason to be cold and angry right now. I think anyone would be if they were in Christian's position. Look at how Olli promised his meeting with Rob would be quick and he would be back soon. Instead, he stays out all night without even a phone call. I'm surprised Christian's not more sick with worry. It's the next morning and Olli isn't even answering his cell phone.

I do think Olli does enjoy the attention from Rob. Most people love to be lusted after and told how 'hot' they are. It's a great ego booster. And Rob checking out Olli's butt isn't unexpected. The man is one big old walking horny dog. Except his an horny dog who is also a big time drug dealer...and that can equal major trouble.

I'm not rooting for Rob to hook up with Olli. Hell no! Can you imagine Olli dating such a low life. Please...why in the world would I root for Olli hooking up with someone like Rob...a drug dealing pimp with no class or scruples. As I've said earlier...why would Olli go from Christian down to the level of someone like Rob. I really can't see this happening unless Rob has Olli constantly under the influence of his drugs.

The kiss I saw more from Rob's come on to Olli with both of them obviously under the influence of alcohol. Olli certainly wasn't into the kiss and pulled away pretty quickly once he regained his senses and realized what he was doing. And one thing is for sure...no matter the difficulties Olli is presently having with Christian right now...he's well aware of the love he has in Christian, and it's nothing you just jeopardize for a lousy drunken kiss of the moment type thing.

But I am enjoying this storyline with Rob. It's not great or anything...but the actor playing Rob is good and very good for Ollian's past year and a half of almost none existent story.

[sio127]

Mar 20, 2010 16:40:54 GMT -5 silverkitsune33 said:

While I don't enjoy the constant "We're mad at one another! Now we're not! No, wait I forgot we still are! Oh hang on, I think we're okay again! Damn it still pissed!" merry-go-round this story is on I do enjoy it when they actually make some headway into the drama!

So this Rob kissing Olli stop was fun for me!

You can be in love, and in a committed relationship with someone, and still be attracted to another person (or multiple people). It's one of those common facts of life.

Remember when David first showed up and Olli got a very appreciative eye-full of shirtless new hot dude who he gave a very bright 'hello!" to?

So the fact that Olli's attracted to Rob is normal (especially since Rob tends to dangle "Hey! Look at all these bright shiny career building opportunities! in front of Olli's nose.). That he pushes Rob away is the important part. That he tells him what he has with Christian is good is the important part.

As for Miriam, I'm not sure if the writers will remember this, but I think she'll keep her mouth shut since Olli could throw "Hey! Remember when you made out with my boyfriend and I didn't fire you? Remember that?" back at her if she threatens anything. And honestly, unless her character does a 180 on us she's not the evil relationship destroying type. I bet it would be a slip out if that did happen.

Either way...am I the only one who's sort of excited to see the regularly scheduled Christian freak out?

P.s. Oh Olli. Alcohol for breakfast? Yeah, been there.

You took the words right out of my mouth! ;D.....as said by Meatloaf!!

[ivaniv]

I do not think Miriam would want to do something to cause trouble, but she considers herself a friend of both of them so she may try to talk to Olli about it and Christian may overhear (we haven't got that one in a while ;D ) Things usually happen for a reason on a soap, especially on Feiler's watch, but it could also be just a teaser. As for Bob's calendar, it cannot be something in it, Christian is hardly going to find there Kiss Olli: check, Shag Olli: pending. I think Bob wants to come back and ask about it inconveniently. Olli will probably tell Christian nothing about Bob being there, so it could be a trouble if Bob dances in the WG and asks Olli with Christian there: "I have lost my calendar, it must have happened downstairs when we kissed, oops, sorry." Imagine Christian's reaction

[JustaMannsMan]

^

Mar 21, 2010 4:51:33 GMT -5 @ivaniv said:

Imagine Christian's reaction

You betcha. I can imagine how that would/should play out and frankly, it'd be better than a big sack of french porn.

[kes]

One of the things I really appreciate in this episode are the interactions between Andi and Christian. As someone noted on another thread, they are so tortured -- and so so real.

Thore's acting is just dynamite in this episode, and as much as I love Max, Thore gets more and more magnetic, even as Christian becomes more jealous.

But he's so so the Christian I know here, too: uncommunicative, sometimes uncaring (to Andi, when Andi needs help) but also tortured, and scared.



One thing I like about this storyline: I am drawn into the magic of what Christian and Olli really mean to each other. When everything is rosy constantly, I forget -- but how could I forget when I see Christian's face? Even when I see Olli's reactions: his confusion, the way he slowly succumbs to seduction -- even in Olli I see a bas-relief of a love that is greater than he is -- a love that demands he change, when he has not completely outgrown what he would have to change . . .

Really, Rob is doing a super job of acting as a "foil" to Christian -- as Christian's opposite, as the character who shows us all the Christian is, for being all that Rob isn't.

[Nitty]

Mar 21, 2010 22:18:37 GMT -5 kes said:

Really, Rob is doing a super job of acting as a "foil" to Christian -- as Christian's opposite, as the character who shows us all the Christian is, for being all that Rob isn't.

I like that.