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Post by silverkitsune33 on Feb 18, 2010 19:31:15 GMT -5
My Chrissie baby is refusing food!? It must be really tough for him... On the other hand, Jo is probably having a blast because now he can cuddle (Anybody know the English word for rumfummeln^^?) with Max , too. "Rumfummeln"? Could you use it in a sentence or give me some context?
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Post by Nitty on Feb 18, 2010 20:57:32 GMT -5
Herumfummeln? That means to mess around with, fiddle, grope...tinker. ;D
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Post by brownsugar on Feb 18, 2010 22:54:35 GMT -5
oh god... i just finished watching the episode...how can olli resist rob?! its impossible...he's TOTALLY just...wow...hot. I think it's interesting, that the conflict the writers have set up for us is not one of is he or isn't involved in the drug world somehow. The questions that are really driving this narrative, at least to me, are 1. What are Rob's intentions toward Olli? Is he interested? Is he just using Olli? 2. Why does he INSIST on randomly dropping english phrases in his speech? is it a seduction tactic? He's a really shady character and I don't know if I ever want clarity on "Call me Ropp" Thunderkat..I think Rob's intentions are...use Olli and NL as a drug mule. Rob knows exactly what he is doing...sweet up the all too naive Olli. Make him feel like he is special just bordering on the edge of fame. Fu*k things up between him and his boyfriend while at the same time feed him the false loyalty, trust and desire for him. Make him feel that you will guarantee him fame and fortune. Then you sell your crack, cocaine, poppers...anything that you can. When things start to look shaky...move out quick and onto your next victim, leaving NL in ruins. Looking at how the story has played out so far I don't think Rob has legitimate feelings for Olli. He is a drug dealer who is out to make money at any cost. Hell...it wouldn't surprise me if Rob wasn't even gay. These type of people have no shame and will do just about anything. They don't care who they destroy in the process as long as they get to sell their drugs. I actually felt sorry for both Christian and Olli in today's episode. Their fight was pretty devastating to witness. I think it was a good thing that Christian decided to cut the argument short and leave for work. Olli was starting to say things he most likely would regret later on. The last time I saw Olli so angry was the bust up they had the day before Christian's big fight. Today there was so much anger even hatred toward Christian for making him seem like such a fool in front of his beloved party king, Robert. And how sad to see Olli almost bow and beg before Robert because he had decided to come back to NL. I felt embarrassed for him. You have to also feel so bad for Christian who is understandably jealous, but today must have felt like a dagger to the heart the way Olli let rip at him while at the same time showing how much he values Robert's words. What a terrific episode. Jo and Thore's acting was the best I've seen in a very long time. That argument in the flat was heart stopping. Jo played Olli's anger to fever pitch. And Thore got it just right with his scene. He played Christian's steady decline in anger and even backing off as he saw Olli start to loose it to a degree. Brilliant stuff from both these actors today. Once again thats to the usual suspects...Nanna and Tihkon with the subs. Thank you joanna for the caps. And thank you so much
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Post by stregatta on Feb 18, 2010 23:09:43 GMT -5
Brownsugar, I agree in part with your beautiful speech...In the sense that I don't see VL to be so dramatic kind of play: if I'm right, we'll have only the risks from the dangerous situaion, but not the real big "bomb" that would distroy almost everything for Chrolli...
You're right that if the story were set in real life, all would be darker & fatal...But here we'll luclily have such a display of possible risky bad situations...With a nice final redemption/all's well what's end well (& much ado about nothing1 ;-P) Bye*
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Post by brownsugar on Feb 19, 2010 0:36:52 GMT -5
Brownsugar, I agree in part with your beautiful speech...In the sense that I don't see VL to be so dramatic kind of play: if I'm right, we'll have only the risks from the dangerous situaion, but not the real big "bomb" that would distroy almost everything for Chrolli... You're right that if the story were set in real life, all would be darker & fatal...But here we'll luclily have such a display of possible risky bad situations...With a nice final redemption/all's well what's end well (& much ado about nothing1 ;-P) Bye* stregatta...you just may be right. And hopefully a proposal of marriage at the end of it all. ;D
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Post by Zathras on Feb 19, 2010 0:57:41 GMT -5
I think it was a good thing that Christian decided to cut the argument short and leave for work. Olli was starting to say things he most likely would regret later on. Today there was so much anger even hatred toward Christian for making him seem like such a fool in front of his beloved party king, Robert. I struggle with Christian leaving a little bit. The problem is that it seems like he's doing that a lot lately - avoiding things rather than trying to discuss them. Ordinarily I would have wanted him to stay, but this time Olli was so angry . The part that bugs me the most about it: Christian didn't make Olli "act like a fool." All he did was to ask Olli to be cautious, and not just trust whatever Robert says (a guy he hardly knows). The line "this euphoria about the parties has made you forget who you can trust and who you can't" needed to be said, but I fear it fell on deaf ears. Ugh, why does Christian have to remind Olli of the trust they (used to?) have . There's so much that could be said about Olli's behavior, but I'll just stick with this: Grrrr. Go away, Robert .
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Post by kes on Feb 19, 2010 1:00:19 GMT -5
This was a great episode, with Rob using his wonderful Americanisms again to sleezy effect. As Nitty said it was creepy and hot at the same time.
I want Rob to fall for Olli -- that would be drama.
One additional thought: is it just me, or was Justus asking Christian out - or hinting? In any case, I liked seeing Justus sitting on that desk. He's loosening up.
I really like Justus, a lot.
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Post by Zathras on Feb 19, 2010 1:03:39 GMT -5
Hehe, I like Justus, too . I think he's fond of Christian, but not necessarily as more than (perhaps) a friend. I kind of thought he was going to ask "what's wrong?" or "want to talk about it?", but, alas, didn't.
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Post by thunderkat on Feb 19, 2010 1:04:44 GMT -5
I suppose, brown sugar, that it's just my wishful thinking that Rob's feelings/ desire for Olli be genuine. I just feel like it would add a really nice level of complexity to Max's character, and would add another confounding variable to the whole situation. If Rob's desire is genuine, then how does he reconcile that with using NL as a place from which to peddle drugs? If Rob has the capacity to (love?) Olli, does he have the capacity to change into a better person? I suppose it's revealing that Olli tells Miriam that he had no idea Rob was into guys, this obviously lends credence to the theory that this is Rob being manipulative on a grand scale Rob is a guest star, so exploration of these possibilities is inherently limited. Regardless of the genuineness of his feeling, I think the important element is that Rob embodies the first real outside challenge to the Chrolli relationship since... I can't even remember what. I fervently hope that they add just a tiny bit of dimensionality to Rob somehow.
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Post by blondeninjagirl on Feb 19, 2010 1:37:23 GMT -5
stregatta...you just may be right. And hopefully a proposal of marriage at the end of it all. ;D Yessssssssssssssssss-uh Robby is out of control, I want to see more back story from him.The fight was amazing, I kinda wanted them to start biting each other. For fun I want to see Christian start knocking out anyone thats a threat to them cuz the walking away thing isn't working well for him these past few episodes. Olli: No! Christian, I need him alive for my parties! Stop it! Chrsitian:NEVBAH D: !!! Thanks guys for the caps and vids!
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Post by ivaniv on Feb 19, 2010 3:19:47 GMT -5
It was getting too confrontational for Christian to stay and talk about it. I can imagine when Oliver was worked up like that and warmed up by Bob he could tell him he's just an envious loser who wants him to fail, too. And Christian would tell him that he does not want to be a hindrance for him and there you have it. So when Christian left it was a timeout for both of them. Oliver has a problem with a basic logic. So he did not catch Bob dealing drugs in empty NL, maybe he'd have more luck when it is full and another party is going on. But he wants the success so much that he blindly believes Bob. Who I do not think has real feelings for Olli. He just needs to make sure that his energy he put into making NL his drug dealing center will pay off. He behaves too condescending and patronising to Olli to have feelings for him. If anything, it's like with Olivia, "I like that and I will have it until I want something else more."
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Post by maya on Feb 19, 2010 6:53:50 GMT -5
Thanks Nanna and Paul for the subs and Joanna for the caps.
I'm a little late to the party but I just wanna add my two cents about Rob. I certainly don't think that he fell in love with Oliver but I'm not too sure he is faking that he's into men. I think that his priority is to do his traffics using No Limits and he knows that Christian is an obstacle to his plan so he's trying to remove him. Further I think for him it won't be such a great sacrifice to trying to seduce Oliver so to have Olli and no Limits on a silver plate.
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Post by maya on Feb 19, 2010 6:56:13 GMT -5
Who else wants the Brandner house to burn down with all of the Brandners inside? me ;D
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Post by ivaniv on Feb 19, 2010 8:47:37 GMT -5
Who else wants the Brandner house to burn down with all of the Brandners inside? me ;D I am afraid they are just teasing us
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Post by valso on Feb 19, 2010 9:40:55 GMT -5
I've just saw the episode and I love it again. Finally some good drama I totally like Rob as the bad guy and I hope he will stay around for a while but obviously without doing too much harm to my beloved Chrolli. Anyway terrifc acting delivered by all the actors specially Thore and Jo.
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Post by thunderkat on Feb 19, 2010 13:34:47 GMT -5
Who else wants the Brandner house to burn down with all of the Brandners inside? me ;D DITTO. Maybe then they can show Christina emerging triumphant from the rubble carrying the hope of a future brandner generation.... i guess
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Post by mitsaso on Feb 19, 2010 19:29:10 GMT -5
DITTO. Maybe then they can show Christina emerging triumphant from the rubble carrying the hope of a future brandner generation.... i guess Shush, you guys, we need David alive too. Rob was sooooooo cute in the last scene... leave Olli alone and come sell drugs in my place, you sexy firecrotch beast! ;D
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Post by blondeninjagirl on Feb 19, 2010 19:36:55 GMT -5
Shush, you guys, we need David alive too. Rob was sooooooo cute in the last scene... leave Olli alone and come sell drugs in my place, you sexy firecrotch beast! ;D Holy crap, hes a red head?
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Post by brownsugar on Feb 19, 2010 21:06:39 GMT -5
I think it was a good thing that Christian decided to cut the argument short and leave for work. Olli was starting to say things he most likely would regret later on. Today there was so much anger even hatred toward Christian for making him seem like such a fool in front of his beloved party king, Robert. I struggle with Christian leaving a little bit. The problem is that it seems like he's doing that a lot lately - avoiding things rather than trying to discuss them. Ordinarily I would have wanted him to stay, but this time Olli was so angry . The part that bugs me the most about it: Christian didn't make Olli "act like a fool." All he did was to ask Olli to be cautious, and not just trust whatever Robert says (a guy he hardly knows). The line "this euphoria about the parties has made you forget who you can trust and who you can't" needed to be said, but I fear it fell on deaf ears. Ugh, why does Christian have to remind Olli of the trust they (used to?) have . There's so much that could be said about Olli's behavior, but I'll just stick with this: Grrrr. Go away, Robert . Zathras...I think it took Christian by surprise and even stunned him somewhat in seeing how furious Olli became. Watch the scene again and you will see how Christian guardedly approaches Olli as he tells him in a easy tone to 'calm down'. I think Olli was on the verge of making words leave his mouth that would be crushing toward Christian. And Christian got it right to leave and make cooler heads prevail. But what a performance by both Jo and Thore in this episode. Some wonderful acting on display. Just loving this storyline so far.
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Post by Zathras on Feb 19, 2010 21:25:57 GMT -5
Hmm, I wasn't very clear in my post yesterday . To clarify: Prior to yesterday, I had been annoyed that Christian would just leave and not really try to talk to Olli about what he's thinking. But yesterday Olli was so angry that he wasn't thinking straight. Christian had the right idea to leave it alone and give Olli time to calm down (which he clearly needed). It wouldn't have done any good to stay and try to talk.
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Post by brownsugar on Feb 19, 2010 23:48:02 GMT -5
Hmm, I wasn't very clear in my post yesterday . To clarify: Prior to yesterday, I had been annoyed that Christian would just leave and not really try to talk to Olli about what he's thinking. But yesterday Olli was so angry that he wasn't thinking straight. Christian had the right idea to leave it alone and give Olli time to calm down (which he clearly needed). It wouldn't have done any good to stay and try to talk. zathras...I actually was agreeing with what you posted yesterday. ;D Yes, Christian does have a tendency to storm out of arguments, instead of staying and trying to talk things out in a rational manner. But yesterday was justified since Olli's anger was getting out of control
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Post by ivaniv on Feb 19, 2010 23:54:52 GMT -5
They both have that tendency and that's their problem, they don't talk to each other properly anymore. That's what helped them before when they had some problem, they talked about it and they got through it. Now that's gone.
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Post by mycatfox on Feb 20, 2010 0:31:43 GMT -5
They both have that tendency and that's their problem, they don't talk to each other properly anymore. That's what helped them before when they had some problem, they talked about it and they got through it. Now that's gone. I have to agree. That lack of open dialogue between them is one of the things that I miss the most about Chrolli (v.01). But I guess that deficiency, at the same time, brings more chances of interesting story-lines since the former (famously) strong understanding - a sort of Chrolli shield- isn't there anymore...Meaning: the guys are a lot more susceptible to external threats (like Rob )
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Post by sylstyle on Feb 20, 2010 7:00:42 GMT -5
They both have that tendency and that's their problem, they don't talk to each other properly anymore. That's what helped them before when they had some problem, they talked about it and they got through it. Now that's gone. I have to agree. That lack of open dialogue between them is one of the things that I miss the most about Chrolli (v.01). But I guess that deficiency, at the same time, brings more chances of interesting story-lines since the former (famously) strong understanding - a sort of Chrolli shield- isn't there anymore...Meaning: the guys are a lot more susceptible to external threats (like Rob ) This is also something I really miss from Chrolli 1.0, this capacity to communicate, to talk and this almost empathy But I have to say I needed this SL more than anything, and if this SL brings back this communication I'm more than OK Sylvain
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Post by mycatfox on Feb 20, 2010 20:28:23 GMT -5
I have to agree. That lack of open dialogue between them is one of the things that I miss the most about Chrolli (v.01). But I guess that deficiency, at the same time, brings more chances of interesting story-lines since the former (famously) strong understanding - a sort of Chrolli shield- isn't there anymore...Meaning: the guys are a lot more susceptible to external threats (like Rob ) To clarify, what I wanted to mean was that "one of the things that I miss the most -that they lack now- is the open dialogue that characterized the guys"Thank God you understood what I wanted to say, Sylvain Jesus, I think I had too many yesterday at night...
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