Christian & Oliver, 22.09.09, [NO SPOILERS]

[ivaniv]

We did not have a lot of episode threads lately, so I am using the opportunity to create another one ;D

Video

www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LRvAsv6J4E

HQ: www.megaupload.com/?d=SNJFFWJ7

Caps (again as thumbnails)

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Yay! Happy happy joy joy.
Danke danke danke ;D

[kes]

Thanks so much, Ivan! My one wish is that (all kidding aside) we had been given a make-up scene. Is it good writing? Not necessarily, as not all fights are resolved so obviously. Would it have been wonderful viewing? Yes.

Anyway, I hope that the writers aren't indicating that all of Christian's problems end here. They've given us some nice complications. Christian has found his passion, true, but to erase the complexities would be just awful now.

I want the complexities.

In the end, maybe I am glad we didn't get a makeup scene. I want Olli and Christian to have difficulties, to have plot lines, to be complex. I am so glad they are (to some degree) leaving their little smurfdom.

[ivaniv]

Christian's troubles sorted themselves out for now, but the communication problem is still there, but it always kind of was. But there;s not much long time storylines atm at VL anyway and most of them are about developing relationships.

[rhiannonhero]

Wasn't there some joking awhile back from Christian about how the only jobs available were pool attendant and horse trainer? LOL!

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Rhi: Yeah I remember that! He didn't look happy about it then I guess he has changed his mind

[Nitty]

Danke, funny Ivan! ;D

[levitation]

thanks for the video

Despite the fact, that I also still miss the serious conversation between Christian and Olli....

[girlie]...Christian and the horse ... *faints* [/girlie]

[mona]

The sweet thing of the episode: They used one blanket. But if Christian can't be honest when Olli is awake they could at least use sweet details when he's asleep like Christian pulling the blanket a little higher before he goes to the window or some sincere words to the sleeping Olli.

[kat]

I loved all the music today

I am such a sucker for the Brokeback guitar music and now we have our very own cowboy to go along with it too!!!

[tihkon2]

Today's scenes with English Subtitles.



Danke Nanna.

[Flippityfloppityflip]

Thanks for the video and thumb nails Ivan. There's just one teensy, weeny request. Is it possible for you to include a thumb nail of Christian as he walks to the window? Despite my love of Olli there's just something about Christian from head to toe, clad in nothing except a pair of black boxers. So swoonworthy.

Poor Chrissie baby. ,Although I can't understand a word until Nanna and Tihkon provide the subtitled version, I like to think that even though Justus looks quite officious he is actually trying to be kind to Christian. I bet Justus has given him the paperwork to sort out so that Christian can have an easy day and doesn't exert himself. Yesterday when Justus offered him soup and patted him on the thigh, it showed a lovely chink in Justus' armour. I'm taking quite a shine to him and like a lot of other posters I thought Justus and Christian scenes work very well. I'd love the writers to give them more moments such as these.

[Nitty]

Danke Tihkon & Nanna!

[brownsugar]

Sept 22, 2009 17:11:57 GMT -5 Flippityfloppityflip said:

Thanks for the video and thumb nails Ivan. There's just one teensy, weeny request. Is it possible for you to include a thumb nail of Christian as he walks to the window? Despite my love of Olli there's just something about Christian from head to toe, clad in nothing except a pair of black boxers. So swoonworthy.

Poor Chrissie baby. ,Although I can't understand a word until Nanna and Tihkon provide the subtitled version, I like to think that even though Justus looks quite officious he is actually trying to be kind to Christian. I bet Justus has given him the paperwork to sort out so that Christian can have an easy day and doesn't exert himself. Yesterday when Justus offered him soup and patted him on the thigh, it showed a lovely chink in Justus' armour. I'm taking quite a shine to him and like a lot of other posters I thought Justus and Christian scenes work very well. I'd love the writers to give them more moments such as these.

I actually really like Justus. I think at the beginning when Christian was first hired, his combative reaction toward Christian was because he felt 'dissed' so to speak. He never was consulted about who should be hired in the new position, which offended him a great deal. I do believe he is the manager of the grounds and kitchen staff, so not having a say in who to hire was a slap in the face. Anyway...I it appears he feels a lot of sympathy for Christian since finding out about his heart troubles, and doesn't dislike Christian at all. Justus is the kind of person who has that hard looking exterior, but if you were to get to know him would find a big old softy underneath all that steel.

I really loved today's follow up episode. I loved how they showed Olli overly compensating and burying what happened last night with him and Christian by being overly joyous down at NL. And then we had the contrast with Christian looking so disgruntled and pissed because his life feels so out of control, and he feels like a 'loser'.

Christian as a horse whisper? Lets hope this is something which can help fill the emptiness of not being able to be what he really desired...boxing. He did look very happy and it seemed to sooth him while he was riding that house, so maybe Christian has found his niche.

But there is still so much unspoken between Christian and Olli. They need that serious and out in the open talk regarding how Christian's heart trouble is having an impact on their relationship. The fact is Christian had that pain attack to his heart the day before, something neither Olli or a doctor is aware of. This could be very dangerous. You don't mess around when it comes to your heart.

[ivaniv]

I tried the first time, but the pictures turned out too blurry. Anyway, here they are:



I had a feeling, too that Justus wanted to give him something easy to do, but it's hard to tell sometimes what he thinks ;D

[jj8899]

are we meant to believe that christian has never been on a horse before? that he just has a natural aptitude for riding bareback? or would he have rode horses growing up in the country? and if that's the case - how come he didn't discover his passion for horses then?
plus i love how stella looks so terrified of what appears to be a mild mannered pony. couldn't the VL budget stretch to a bit more of a beast than that?! and i was disgusted by the mild flirt she and christian had going on at the end. and i don't care if they were joking around. it was like the writers momentarily forgot the close familial relationship. eww, i'm shuddering at the thought, forbidden love between the impotent gay cowboy and his lesbian girl cousin.

oh well - sorry - i won't complain too much . it wasn't exactly a hardship watching him ride around on that thing!! ;D

[jasmineg]

Sept 23, 2009 1:35:56 GMT -5 jj8899 said:

and i was disgusted by the mild flirt she and christian had going on at the end. and i don't care if they were joking around. it was like the writers momentarily forgot the close familial relationship. eww, i'm shuddering at the thought, forbidden love between the impotent gay cowboy and his lesbian girl cousin.

Man, I'm glad you noticed this too, I thought I was the only one. While it was happening I kept thinking "Wait - what? Are they flirting? But... that's... What? Is this really happening? What?" Disturbing.

But hey, relationships between cousins aren't illegal in Germany, so go for it, Stella and Christian.

[mona]

Sept 22, 2009 20:08:20 GMT -5 brownsugar said:

But there is still so much unspoken between Christian and Olli. They need that serious and out in the open talk regarding how Christian's heart trouble is having an impact on their relationship. The fact is Christian had that pain attack to his heart the day before, something neither Olli or a doctor is aware of. This could be very dangerous. You don't mess around when it comes to your heart.

I don't like this either. It's like a secret but overall I don't even think it's about Olli again. I doubt Christian will tell anyone because he wants to "hide" his illness. I hope this comes up again someday. It's something I don't understand anyway: If you kiss someone else you feel like it's a very big secret but a heart attack is something I bet you can hide without even feeling too guilty. But I think Christan doesn't notice that he's hurting the most important person in his life as well because of his illness and the way he's dealing with it. It's really obvious the problem is in his head right now. I don't know, but I think even a therapy would maybe be good during his illness because it's too much for Olli to handle it like that.

btw, Christian had an episode before where he was riding a horse but I don't remember if he mentioned there why he is able to do it.

Stella/Christian - Well, one of the most beuatiful relationships VL did was between cousins but I think they can't turn that around (especially in that case) But honestly, I can't believe it's not forbidden because when I think about my kids and the kids of one of my siblings... Horrible close!

[Flippityfloppityflip]

Sept 23, 2009 0:53:26 GMT -5 @ivaniv said:

I tried the first time, but the pictures turned out too blurry. Anyway, here they are:



I had a feeling, too that Justus wanted to give him something easy to do, but it's hard to tell sometimes what he thinks ;D

Many thanks Ivan for the extra thumbnails. It's really appreciated.

Sept 22, 2009 20:08:20 GMT -5 brownsugar said:

Christian as a horse whisper? Lets hope this is something which can help fill the emptiness of not being able to be what he really desired...boxing. He did look very happy and it seemed to sooth him while he was riding that house, so maybe Christian has found his niche.

But there is still so much unspoken between Christian and Olli. They need that serious and out in the open talk regarding how Christian's heart trouble is having an impact on their relationship. The fact is Christian had that pain attack to his heart the day before, something neither Olli or a doctor is aware of. This could be very dangerous. You don't mess around when it comes to your heart.

I think that the scriptwriters will not now give us the scene between Christian and Olli that we all long for. Sadly I think the moment has passed. Olli can't initiate the conversation with Christian, as he knows that he has to let Christian decide if and when to discuss what happened the night before. But now that Christian has found something to take his mind off his problems, something that enables him to be outdoors all the time and away from people that remind him of his perceived inadequacies, he's going to be pigheaded and bury his health scare and poor performance in the bedroom.

It's a shame though, as it would have been nice for us to have a scene where Olli helped Christian to realise that the night before was but a temporary blip in things and to have reminded him of how only the other week Christian had apparently worn Olli out the night of Lydia and Sebastian's wedding. But I suppose we've got to remember that the fact that the show showed us a love scene between two men which included a problem with impotency is to be well and truly applauded. Even in the UK never mind the US this would never feature in a soap. I can just imagine the scenes of apoplexy in UK and US soap producers' offices on reading a script that alluded to the fact that a gay couple did more than kiss and had, er bits that were functional or nonfunctional as it were.

However much we would also love to see more deep and meaningful conversations between the boys, I suppose we just have to be grateful for the lots of small lovely moments and the occasional, far too brief wonderful interludes.

[ivaniv]

Hear hear, or is it here here? ;D Don't forget they are not main characters and despite that we still get scenes like this week. And the blog.

[ivaniv]

Wrong thread... moved to general one

Chrissi looks really talented in this one ;D

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Thanks Ivan and *blushing* at the first pic.

[scarpien]

Sept 23, 2009 12:09:47 GMT -5 @ivaniv said:

Wrong thread... moved to general one

Chrissi looks really talented in this one ;D

;D Talented he looks indeed!!
I don't think I can even come close to doing that!!

[mitsaso]

Sept 23, 2009 12:09:47 GMT -5 @ivaniv said:

Wrong thread... moved to general one

Chrissi looks really talented in this one ;D

WTF?!?!

It figures... straight boy Thore gets all the "talent" and all I get is an incredibly small jaw.

[chrolliforever7]

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mitaso, I know, life just isn't fair. XD XD