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Post by brownsugar on Sept 21, 2009 17:00:35 GMT -5
Just got in from work and came straight to this site. L
Just looking at those screen caps has my little heart racing. Thank you so much Ivan. And welcome back!! I'm going to wait on nanna's subs for this particular episode. It looks excellent!!
But from reading the reviews of this ep...Rebecca has really become a royal pain in the backside. And she will NEVER replace one of Ollian's strongest supporters and friends...Judith.
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Post by tihkon2 on Sept 21, 2009 17:15:02 GMT -5
Here's today's scenes with English Subtitles. Enjoy! Danke Nanna!
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Post by rhiannonhero on Sept 21, 2009 17:49:12 GMT -5
Watching the subs (thank you, Nanna!), I remembered my other question. Was Olli going with Rebecca to return all the stuff she'd bought before? If so, that makes a lot more sense than him going shopping with her again knowing all of her debt. It would also explain why he didn't invite Christian along, since Christian probably doesn't know about her debt.
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Post by jasmineg on Sept 21, 2009 18:04:52 GMT -5
Was Olli going with Rebecca to return all the stuff she'd bought before? As much as I would prefer that, sadly Olli says towards the end of the clip that he had to go on another "marathon shopping trip" with Rebecca. So, yeah. Maybe he paid for her stuff this time.
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Post by mona on Sept 21, 2009 18:22:54 GMT -5
In my opinion, Mona, Christian seemed pretty jealous about the whole Olli/Rebecca thing. He was just pretending that he wasn't jealous. but seriously, did Olli have to lift her and carry her away like that?!?! That was a little inappropriate. Olli, stop being so nice to Rebecca, it's making me ill. lol :X I didn't read it as jealousy. I don't know if it's not the same but to me it looked more like sadness that someone else spends time with Olli even though he needed him a lot in that moment. (Like everything he has/had is slipping away or moving on that day). He thought Olli would be there for him, that was really sad when he noticed Olli wanted to meet Rebecca but maybe Christian will realize that sometimes he also has to "wake up" Olli. Or on another level, I didn't mind it maybe because for once Christian saw that he needs Olli and that he could be at fault a little because he always pushed him away and didn't want Olli to care too much. Now, for the first time, Olli didn't really do that, he just walked away without pushing too much. That's nothing I hold against Christian but overall I think it's a bit true that he always seemed annoyed when Olli was there automatically but as I thought, deep inside he loved it and was today disappointed when it didn't happen.
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Post by chrolliforever7 on Sept 21, 2009 18:27:28 GMT -5
you know what?? I agree. lol You're right, mona. Christian's used to a persistent Olli, but since he wasn't very persistent today and just kinda left him alone, Christian realized how much he needed Olli at that moment. Christian shouldn't feel like Olli's slipping away like everything else, Olli's gonna be the last person to leave him. He really loves him, and I hope Christian realizes that.
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Post by sio127 on Sept 21, 2009 18:36:13 GMT -5
Love the different POV everyone here has....I agree that , unfortuantly, Olli was just being Olli and trying too hard to be nice to everyone....althought the consistancy falls a little here, he knows Rebecca (bleurgh) is broke but goes on another "marathon" shopping trip with her? He of all people should know about debt!! He also rushed in too quickly when Christian started to tell what was up....again Olli being Olli....like I said before I do hope to all this storyline is expanded on...it has potential! Nanna and Tihkon, as I mentioned in the other thread.....thanks so much!
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Post by iyra92 on Sept 21, 2009 19:23:28 GMT -5
Thanks Ivan! Hope you enjoy your holiday!
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Post by Flippityfloppityflip on Sept 21, 2009 20:32:34 GMT -5
(I don't want to get vulgar, but wouldn't Olli have felt something was up -- or not up as the case may be ) I've watched the scene a few times (well quite a lot actually lol) and I can absolutely confirm, hand on ........., ahem, where was I, yes that Olli did feel, that little Chrissie, was ahem, still rather little. Olli just looked under the duvet to confirm what he had felt. I found it very interesting to see the various opinions regarding Olli's and Christian's behaviour. There was lots of very good points made regarding both characters. I thought that the last scene, very much highlighted the particular character traits of Olli and Christian. It seemed that if Olli misreads the signals Christian gives him and pushes him too hard at the wrong time, Christian clams up not just emotionally, but physically as well. See how Olli wants to touch Christian to reassure his boyfriend, but he sees the look on Christian's face and has to retreat. Thinking of the scene when Olli meets Christian at the castle, Olli asks quite a few times if Christian is alright and each time the answer was that he was okay. I think Olli had to accept the answer, even when he could see that Christian was not alright, because to press Christian further was to risk him blowing up at Olli. I mean Olli has learnt from past episodes (experience) that he can only mollycoddle Christian so far. As for Olli greeting Rebecca so enthusiatically and still going shopping with her, I think it's the writers wanting to reinforce that Christian is having a crappy day by showing Olli by contrast as enjoying life to the full, helping out his friends, is fit, healthy and able to lift anything including Rebecca, and has a job that he loves. Yes Olli should have been the perfect boyfriend and so in tune with Christian and by awareness of every flick of his eyelashes as to his moods and needs. However, being perfect all the time can become cloying for Christian and boring for us. At least with a bit of angst we have drama, and with drama comes good storylines (we hope).
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Post by scarpien on Sept 21, 2009 21:08:24 GMT -5
I thought today was great. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for some kind of long arc with, you know, continuity. Some questions I had: 1. I didn't know whether Rebecca witnessed Christian's spell, or if she was oblivious. Um, I thought I had another question, but I have a migraine and can't think, so I've forgotten it, I guess. ;D ;D @ you forgetting what you wanted to say. But sad about your migraine. Like you I too wondered whether Rebecca saw Christian's little heart scare. And I also wondered why, if he was given the day off, he didn't call and tell Olli or go home. He just sat there on the bench like a vagrant, and then had the audacity to be hurt because Olli didn't come there to see him. It's not like Olli knew about his incident nor, can he hang around the castle while Christian works, because it's a totally different environment than NoLimits; it's 100% more formal. If he wanted to spend time with Olli he just should have said so and he knows Olli would have dumped Rebecca faster than a bag of poop! Instead when Olli asked if he was fine he said yes. Then when Christian tried to cover up having to open up to Olli by initiating sex and it backfired, man I was like WOW!! This episode truly got me all tied up in knots right now.
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Post by scarpien on Sept 21, 2009 21:20:00 GMT -5
In my opinion, Mona, Christian seemed pretty jealous about the whole Olli/Rebecca thing. He was just pretending that he wasn't jealous. but seriously, did Olli have to lift her and carry her away like that?!?! That was a little inappropriate. Olli, stop being so nice to Rebecca, it's making me ill. lol :X I didn't read it as jealousy. I don't know if it's not the same but to me it looked more like sadness that someone else spends time with Olli even though he needed him a lot in that moment. (Like everything he has/had is slipping away or moving on that day). He thought Olli would be there for him, that was really sad when he noticed Olli wanted to meet Rebecca but maybe Christian will realize that sometimes he also has to "wake up" Olli. Or on another level, I didn't mind it maybe because for once Christian saw that he needs Olli and that he could be at fault a little because he always pushed him away and didn't want Olli to care too much. Now, for the first time, Olli didn't really do that, he just walked away without pushing too much. That's nothing I hold against Christian but overall I think it's a bit true that he always seemed annoyed when Olli was there automatically but as I thought, deep inside he loved it and was today disappointed when it didn't happen. Bravo Mona! My sentiments exactly. It seems Christian wants his cake and eat it too! Olli is supposed to be there for him automatically when he needs him to, and leave him alone when he doesn't want to be "smothered." So, my question is, while Olli is "being" all that to Christian, who is there for Olli? Olli might not have the heart condition but we all know Olli is extremely affectionate, and Christian doesn't meet this need at all. In the bedroom scene, Olli offered to just cuddle and Christian totally pushed him away. Looked for a second like Olli was afraid to touch him for fear that Christian might get physical with him.
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Post by brownsugar on Sept 21, 2009 21:40:48 GMT -5
Thanks for the clip and caps Ivan and Welcome Back! I disagree with the comments that Christian was somehow at fault today. I though Christian acted quite normal today and did not like the way Olli acted at the castle. At all. And the way he acted about that stupid shopping trip pissed me off. And to really be a dick he greeted Rebecca with much more enthusiasm and happiness than his own boyfriend. Really cool to pick up and swing around the girl who just kissed you a week ago. And do it in front of the boyfriend you told about it. And who you just blew off . Then later in bed Christian was trying to tell Olli about what happened and Olli cuts him off immediately and says he knew Christian was upset about the shopping trip. How about shutting up and listening? Olli may be the favored child for some and Christian the whipping boy, but not for me. No sympathy from me for Olli today. He was an oblivous pain in the ass in my opinion. First...let me give a big shout out to Thore...who I thought did a superb job today on VL. He totally nailed his scenes. Just some great acting. His facial expressions and body language was right on target. Ivan...I agree with you completely. I just finished watching the clip twice to make sure I had my feelings intact, and I was actually angry at Olli today. Now...you know how I love Olli, but today he totally pissed me off!! I couldn't believe how caught up Olli was with going out shopping with Rebecca, who I grow to detest more each time I see her with the guys. But what really got to me was how Olli appeared deaf, blind and dumb throughout this episode. Olli was Blind when he was at the castle and couldn't see his boyfriend looking troubled. He couldn't see the disappointment on Christian's face when he flaunted the tarted up Rebecca...hand around her waist and carrying her off as though they were about to cross the threshold into marriage. And to think Christian had to listen to the two of them giggling as they jogged off to the nearest designer shop, especially since he still wasn't feeling well and i'm sure was quite afraid. I hope Rebecca wore sensible shoes. Then Olli comes home from his marathon shopping trip and is talking none stop. He was so wrapped up in himself that he didn't notice his boyfriend sitting looking unhappy and not speaking a word, as he rushed down to NL. This is where Olli was dumb. Then we have the bedroom scene...and Olli was still talking. He finally noticed that Christian wasn't with his usual demeanor. So he asked what was troubling him. And Christian was going to tell what happened, but Olli who is still fixated on his shopping trip with Rebecca, didn't hear his boyfriend who was about to explain. So Christian decided against telling Olli of the pain attack he felt to his heart earlier, or how sacred and depressed he was feeling. Naturally this affected his performance and he was unable to have an erection. Completely understandable considering the circumstances. I actually felt very sorry for Christian during this episode. And when he was watching the boxing all alone on that couch, with those flash back to his dreams...your heart just ached for him. That last scene in the bedroom was wonderfully done. This is what you get when Thore and Jo are given scenes along without any other characters in the frame. Something which is all too rare nowadays. Anyway...I found this to be a sad episode, yet just great!! I can't wait to see tomorrow's episode. I really hope that Christian tells Olli. They need to have a serious talk. Something long overdue. And Olli has got to tell Rebecca...go grab one of her girlfriends...if she has any...and to shop till she drops with them, not him.
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Post by rhiannonhero on Sept 21, 2009 21:42:27 GMT -5
My migraine has let up a little, so I might be able to actually communicate some of my thoughts about the episode now. 1. I am still holding out hope that Olli was helping Rebecca return the other clothes like he promised her he'd do, and that he simply referred to it as a shopping marathon to Christian because he has not shared Rebecca's troubles in detail with Christian for whatever reason (loyalty, not his business, etc). I wish that the writers had simply made that plain because otherwise it just looks sloppy and horribly done. Not to mention, I find it utterly out of character for Olli to not invite Christian along if he had the day off, which leads me back to thinking that what he was doing with Rebecca was returning the clothes, so he couldn't ask Christian along. (Of course, really, it was to set up Christian being isolated and alone, but the writers could have done that easily and still made it make sense to the viewer, and yet leave Christian feeling like Olli and Rebecca were off having fun together.) 2. Christian was typical Christian -- denying to everyone, including Olli, that there was a problem. I thought it was interesting to note how it all played out -- Justus asking repeatedly if Christian was all right, then Olli asking several times, and Christian downplaying it all, but (obviously to the viewer) secretly really wanting Olli to just know that he wasn't okay. A la the night before the boxing match, when Olli went out with that guy, um, whatever his name was, and Christian was all like, "Yeah, it's fine. I'm not jealous", but the next morning he was like, "You should have known that I needed you!!!!" Because, yes, Christian wants Olli to read his mind. He's so unfair like that. And cute about it, too. Anyway, yes, so Christian set himself up in the same boat again by denying that there was a problem, and possibly, as someone above mentions, by having trained Olli with his blow ups and such that molly coddling is not to be tolerated, and maybe Olli actually learned the lesson -- much to Christian's dismay. Also, I think that the expressions on Christian's face before he realizes that Olli is there for Rebecca and not for him totally go along with this. I mean he looked so relieved, like, "Olli knew I needed him and he appeared." Then...*smash*. Poor Christian. 2. Olli was Olli. He does seem to take Christian for granted in a lot of ways. Before, when he was trying to win Christian's heart, and then make him comfortable, he did pay a lot more attention to the details of Christian, and it seemed that he was able to often say or do just the right thing to make Christian feel better. Now, though, he's happy in his relationship with Christian, and I think he doesn't pay the same amount of attention. Though, as another poster put it, Christian has repeatedly rejected Olli's "help" with this illness -- it's in quotes because sometimes Olli's help is decidedly unhelpful to Christian -- and it is interesting that Olli is now focusing his need to be needed on Rebecca -- since Christian won't own up to needing Olli, and Olivia was a disaster for him. Really, I think that if Christian ever said, "Olli, I really need you right now," then Olli would drop everything and be there for Christian. But, if Christian won't let Olli fulfill his need to be needed with him, then Olli looks elsewhere. Interesting...and possibly worrisome. And, yes, Olli -- seriously, what is up with touching the chick who kissed you last week in not entirely friend-appropriate ways? Need to be needed much??? Oh, yeah, sorry, right. I forgot it was you we were talking about. The sex was hot before it was no longer hot. Poor Christian. And, really, poor Olli, too, because that is not an easy situation to negotiate. All in all, Olli was oblivious and thoughtless and trusting of Christian's verbal statements, and Christian was trying protect himself and also trying to make Olli a mind reader again, and, really, it is so them that I kind of love it, and I can see them having these exact kinds of fights in forty years, because that's how long term relationships work. The core differences don't ever get permanently resolved, they just get worn around the edges, and you start to laugh about them eventually. Or something like that.
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Post by rhiannonhero on Sept 21, 2009 21:51:11 GMT -5
Oh, also, I just had to note -- how awesome (in a horrible, terrible, heartbreaking way) was it when Olli is jabbering on after getting back from the shopping trip about how it was cut short because Rebecca was taking care of Sebastian. And you're sitting there, as the viewer, looking at poor Christian thinking, "And who is taking care of Christian? ?" Of course, though, to be fair, Christian had denied that anything was wrong or that he needed taking care of, so he kinda dug his own grave there, but yeah. Poor Christian!!!!!! So sad!!!!!!!
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Post by scarpien on Sept 21, 2009 22:14:54 GMT -5
Oh, also, I just had to note -- how awesome (in a horrible, terrible, heartbreaking way) was it when Olli is jabbering on after getting back from the shopping trip about how it was cut short because Rebecca was taking care of Sebastian. And you're sitting there, as the viewer, looking at poor Christian thinking, "And who is taking care of Christian? ?" Of course, though, to be fair, Christian had denied that anything was wrong or that he needed taking care of, so he kinda dug his own grave there, but yeah. Poor Christian!!!!!! So sad!!!!!!! So tru Rhi, but notice the obvious difference between the two "helpees" here: Sebastian didn't make light of the fact that he needed a shoulder right then and there, whereas Christian did. It's always the squeaky wheel that gets the oil. Christian would do well to learn that.
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Post by iyra92 on Sept 21, 2009 22:41:11 GMT -5
I DON'T LIKE Rebecca!!! Christian was right - she is spoiling brat princess! and Olli fall for her sorry ass. Get her rid of Chrolli storyline. It wasn't entertaint at ALL!!!
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Post by chrolliforever7 on Sept 21, 2009 22:43:07 GMT -5
yeah, I agree completely, kick Rebecca OUT of Chrolli-world!! She sucks and she's causing trouble.
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Post by iyra92 on Sept 21, 2009 22:45:06 GMT -5
OMG I never thought anybody would agree with me! What I hate the most is Olli is all over her - right infront of Christian! wasn't he suppose to be all over Chrissie??? And wasn't Rebecca suppose to be broke??? but what's with the shopping marathon??? Olli choose shopping with Rebecca instead of go to the lake with Christian??? See how the camera focus on Olli's hand on Rebecca waist??? and then he lift her up??? what are those suppose to means??? OH!!! MY HEART BROKEN!!! I know somebody there already winding down & mess around DeRo love story for years but please don't do this to Chrolli. I know this wasn't right for me to say (to point at somebody) but this is HURT!!!
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Post by iyra92 on Sept 21, 2009 23:22:14 GMT -5
I don't mind whatever angst or whatsoever on Chrolli storyline. I just really HURT by TWO facts right now: i) Olli was all over Rebecca!! (remember when Christian dress as tree and Olli was all over her?? &, ii) Olli really act like a jerk to Christian recently (a year ago Christian said: "You always know the right things to say" but now he just said things in black or white. Olli seem lose his wisecrack.
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Post by brownsugar on Sept 21, 2009 23:22:45 GMT -5
OMG I never thought anybody would agree with me! What I hate the most is Olli is all over her - right infront of Christian! wasn't he suppose to be all over Chrissie??? And wasn't Rebecca suppose to be broke??? but what's with the shopping marathon??? Olli choose shopping with Rebecca instead of go to the lake with Christian??? See how the camera focus on Olli's hand on Rebecca waist??? and then he lift her up??? what are those suppose to means??? OH!!! MY HEART BROKEN!!! I know somebody there already winding down & mess around DeRo love story for years (and now incharge of Chrolli's???) but please don't do this to Chrolli. I know this wasn't right for me to say (to point at somebody) but this is HURT!!! iyra...I agree with you...that was a deliberate focus on Olli's hand on Rebecca's waist. And then lifting her up and carrying her toward their first designer store stop. Please...Olli needs to get a clue...Rebecca just kissed him knowing very well he has a boyfriend, so why is he so hands on with her? I wonder how Olli would feel if Christian was to get all friendly with Miriam who he kissed just a couple of months ago. What if he got all friendly with her and started to go out on trips together to help cheer himself up. Something tells me Olli wouldn't be too pleased.
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Post by iyra92 on Sept 21, 2009 23:40:35 GMT -5
OMG I never thought anybody would agree with me! What I hate the most is Olli is all over her - right infront of Christian! wasn't he suppose to be all over Chrissie??? And wasn't Rebecca suppose to be broke??? but what's with the shopping marathon??? Olli choose shopping with Rebecca instead of go to the lake with Christian??? See how the camera focus on Olli's hand on Rebecca waist??? and then he lift her up??? what are those suppose to means??? OH!!! MY HEART BROKEN!!! I know somebody there already winding down & mess around DeRo love story for years (and now incharge of Chrolli's???) but please don't do this to Chrolli. I know this wasn't right for me to say (to point at somebody) but this is HURT!!! iyra...I agree with you...that was a deliberate focus on Olli's hand on Rebecca's waist. And then lifting her up and carrying her toward their first designer store stop. Please...Olli needs to get a clue...Rebecca just kissed him knowing very well he has a boyfriend, so why is he so hands on with her? I wonder how Olli would feel if Christian was to get all friendly with Miriam who he kissed just a couple of months ago. What if he got all friendly with her and started to go out on trips together to help cheer himself up. Something tells me Olli wouldn't be too pleased. OMG I really want to watch the moment when Olli is yank out of his skin and pull back to ground where he realise how much he LOVE Christian if Christian got really all friendly with Miriam BUT GOD forbid that because it wasn't like Christian (neither do Olli used to be!) and it really pull me out. I rather it happen without third party crush or flirting! I want it to be natural like it used to be. Why I really LOVE Chrolli?? because it never revolve around cheating or triangle and I hope it keep that way!!
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Post by Zam on Sept 22, 2009 0:32:54 GMT -5
Well guess what? We had a great ep today that split our happy little group and gave us something to talk about besides clothes. And the Brandners. Thank god!
Yes, Christian should have had a snide comment at the castle when Olli carried Rebecca off to go shopping. Something along the lines of, "Keep your lips away from my boyfriend, princess." Yes, Christian should have told Olli about the heart problem when Olli was at the castle. Yes, Christian should have told Olli about the heart problem when Olli called on the phone to check on him. Yes, Christian should have told Olli about the heart problem when Olli ran through the flat to... drop off his jacket? wtf? Yes, Christian should have told Olli to shut the hell up about the shopping trip and told him about the heart problem in bed... but we wouldn't have had a hot almost-love scene. And finally, Yes, Christian should have told Olli about the heart problem when little Christian didn't wake up.
(I think the look under the blanket was a little something for the international (non-german-speaking) audiences that don't have the benefit of subs.)
Yes, Olli should have put 2+2 together about Christian's sudden day off. Yes, Olli should have stopped interrupting Christian to yammer on about Rebecca.
But they didn't. And you know what? That's freakin' AWESOME. Why? We got to see the Ollian bedroom. We got to see them nearly naked. We got to see a HOT almost-love scene.
Neatly tied up stories are boring. We are getting some real damn drama for a change. And it doesn't involve kissing girls with cooties. (no offense, Miriam) AND WE'RE GOING TO GET MORE THAN OLLIAN IN THE BACKGROUND FOR MORE THAN ONE EPISODE. I prefer them fighting about something real (health, dreams unfulfilled, jealousy of the others' successes, boredom with the way life is going.)
Soap characters are best when their main character traits are static. We saw that today. It wasn't flattering to either of them. IT WAS AWESOME!
(You may now return to arguing about who was right/wrong. It's good to have a spirited discussion about a great ep/story for our favorite boys!)
For the record, Ivan, the thumbnails are great! Thanks for the vid & caps today. I hope you enjoyed your holiday. Thanks Nanna and Tikhon for the subbed vid. A crap day at work has ended nicely with a great ep for our boys.
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Post by Nitty on Sept 22, 2009 0:45:02 GMT -5
(I think the look under the blanket was a little something for the international (non-german-speaking) audiences that don't have the benefit of subs.) -Tehehe! ;D And yay for your whole post. You know what you're talking about, buddy. Thanks, Nanna and Paul!
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Post by ivaniv on Sept 22, 2009 1:06:42 GMT -5
OMG I never thought anybody would agree with me! What I hate the most is Olli is all over her - right infront of Christian! wasn't he suppose to be all over Chrissie??? And wasn't Rebecca suppose to be broke??? but what's with the shopping marathon??? Olli choose shopping with Rebecca instead of go to the lake with Christian??? I think it's a juxtaposition of Christian's and Olli's lifting. But Olli is acting inappropriate with the kiss first and now the touching. He said to Christian that she kissed him, I wonder what would Christian thought if he knew that she just kissed him back. And please no more shopping marathons with Rebecca, I'd rather watch Arno having sex with Charlie and Elisabeth than another shopping montage ;D Anyway, yesterday it was from bad to worse for Christian. First he was reminded that he cannot do things that were normal for him before, then he's reminded he can't even box anymore, so he probably wanted to prove to himself his masculinity by having sex with Olli and failed in that, too.
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Post by iyra92 on Sept 22, 2009 1:23:50 GMT -5
OMG I never thought anybody would agree with me! What I hate the most is Olli is all over her - right infront of Christian! wasn't he suppose to be all over Chrissie??? And wasn't Rebecca suppose to be broke??? but what's with the shopping marathon??? Olli choose shopping with Rebecca instead of go to the lake with Christian??? I think it's a juxtaposition of Christian's and Olli's lifting. But Olli is acting inappropriate with the kiss first and now the touching. He said to Christian that she kissed him, I wonder what would Christian thought if he knew that she just kissed him back. And please no more shopping marathons with Rebecca, I'd rather watch Arno having sex with Charlie and Elisabeth than another shopping montage ;D Anyway, yesterday it was from bad to worse for Christian. First he was reminded that he cannot do things that were normal for him before, then he's reminded he can't even box anymore, so he probably wanted to prove to himself his masculinity by having sex with Olli and failed in that, too. You're right Ivan - Rebecca did kiss him back! Oh! MY HEART BROKEN. when Olli gonna learn that he need to do things WISE and NICE with Chrissie? Until he hospitalize again?? but please not with that old panic Olli again!
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