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Post by hach on Sept 15, 2009 14:26:11 GMT -5
I posted 4 new scenes on page 17. Just added the next 3 scenes.
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Post by HQ75 on Sept 15, 2009 15:12:26 GMT -5
Hach YOU ARE A MACHINE!!! Seriously. We are so thankful MWAH!!! ;* ;D
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Post by maya on Sept 16, 2009 4:20:19 GMT -5
thank you so much
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Post by valso on Sept 16, 2009 8:56:25 GMT -5
Many many thanks Hach! You're doing a great job!
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Post by hach on Sept 16, 2009 14:11:19 GMT -5
Courtesy of jnn111, I posted the translations of 1x46. He's also helping me fill in some blanks from earlier clips, so thanks very much!
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Post by HQ75 on Sept 16, 2009 15:41:16 GMT -5
Courtesy of jnn111, I posted the translations of 1x46. He's also helping me fill in some blanks from earlier clips, so thanks very much! Dear jnn111 and HachThanks so much for your hard work. We really appreciate it. I have a question about the use of the phrase "mulatto son" when Alberto is talking about his conversation with his mother. In the US you would never call a person "mulatto" unless you were really old (and didn't know any better) or you were trying to insult them. It's like an old insult from slavery and Jim Crow Laws times that people used to call someone who had a white parent and a black parent I know this is an actual word in Spanish and maybe it doesn't have the same connotation in Spain that's why I'm asking. So does Alberto use this term to indicate that this is how his mother would think of Nina's child or is this a phrase that Alberto himself would use? Is there an issue with Nina being of mixed parentage or is the issue only about her child being of mixed parentage or is it the fact that she has a child? In the US you would call a person who has parents of different race either "biracial" (for instance one Black parent and one White parent) or "mixed race" (if there was more than two races involved). I would depend upon what the person wanted and how the identified (many people of mixed parentage just identify as Black if one of their parents is black, like President Obama) Sorry to be so picky but the word just JUMPED out at me (I'm African American or Black and from the US South so I've heard my fair share of racial insults) I just wanted to understand how Alberto is using it.
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Post by hach on Sept 17, 2009 0:22:50 GMT -5
Fonsi indicated that he doesn't think very highly of Alberto's mother (remember he called her a shrew, and Alberto absolutely agreed!). So I think Fonsi was referring to how Alberto's mother would have reacted to finding out about the mixed-race couple. Maybe she wouldn't have said "You have a mulatto son?!" but she would probably have thought it.
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Post by chobonaino on Sept 17, 2009 8:27:23 GMT -5
I really enjoyed this storyline although the show it was really weird, it felt there were two different shows sometimes. The Miguel and the family in one hand, and our guys in the other one. Anyway, Fonsi and Alberto are one of the most interesting novelties in the soap gay pantheon. And Fonsi's totally acceptance of his own sexuality really cool (although a bit unreal to me...but I love it!) .
Just to say that it is kind of late but if you need any help with the Spanish I would be glad to help you out guys.
Thanks!
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Post by valso on Sept 17, 2009 9:14:24 GMT -5
Welcome chobonaino! I was late to the thread as well but I totally love Fonsi and Alberto story too, I agree with you, they're the most interesting part of the soap.
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Post by chobonaino on Sept 17, 2009 12:03:20 GMT -5
Thank you Valso! Yes, a shame they did not renew the show. I think they should just give them their own show!!
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Post by HQ75 on Sept 17, 2009 13:33:02 GMT -5
Welcome chobonaino I'm sure Hach and jnn111 would love to have help with translations so you should definitely send Hach a Personal Message.
Chobonaino brings up an interesting point and I'd love to hear other folks responses.
Not to single you out but I've seen this argument on the Youtube commens and so I'm really interested in hearing everyone's thoughts.
I'm wondering why some feel Fonsi's realization that he is in love with Alberto is unrealistic.
My Assessment
I think Fonsi falling for Alberto romantically makes a lot more sense with these characters because to me the signs were always there (I think Nina sees them too). Fonsi and Alberto have been bosom friends their whole lives (according to Alberto) and Fonsi clearly has loved Alberto deeply even if he refused to see it as romantic love. Just they way he talked about needing Alberto and not being able to function without him and feeling like part of him was missing (when they were arguing) was an indicator.
I don't know a lot of straight guys who feel the way Fonsi indicated he felt about Alberto (very early on in the season) even those who love each other like "brothers", without questioning themselves as to why they have such strong feelings about a another guy. I also think a lot more guy friends fall in love with each other than are willing to admit because of the social pressures still about sexual identity and the influence of homophobia.
It's funny because the setup is not that different than a lot of tv shows and romantic comedies with men and women.
When you have a guy and a girl who are best friends their whole lives and the girl just never notices the guy as a romantic interest (even though the guy is clearly in love with her) everyone wants the girl to wake up already and realize that the perfect guy for her is right under her nose. The girl doesn't even realize she's in love with her best friend because she THINKS that romantic love feels different than what she feels for her friend. Then she kisses her friend or better yet, sleeps with him and all the pieces of the puzzle fall together (which I think happens a lot in real life). It's like a curtain falls back and she's able to see her friend differently (even if she doesn't want to or doesn't know what to do about it)
But when it's two guys and one guy is gay, viewers seem so focused on the "sexual orientation" part of the equation that they don't see the possibility of a guy who has always throught of himself as straight, realizing that the feelings he has for his "best friend" are more than platonic feelings. I
think in this instance with Alberto and Fonsi there is the added element of the threesome to complicate things (or maybe clarify things) because Fonsi and Alberto might never have gotten into a sexual situation had it not been for Nina's presence and as she stated, things about Fonsi were revealed during that experience that even he wasn't sure he wanted to know about himself.
So this is part of what makes it feel realist for me. I feel like the ground work was carefully laid as "He doth protest too much" from the beginning.
I'm a lesbian and I've noticed that people are much more wiling to accept this scenario with women (a "straight" woman suddenly falling for her really good lesbian friend) than with men. Gay men in particular seem to think the "suddenly realizing your feelings thing" is unrealistic when it comes to men (even late teenagers like Fonsi and Alberto who might still be exploring themselves sexually and also have less defined senses of self)
What do others think about the "reality" of the conclusion with Fonsi and Alberto?
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Post by jjose712 on Sept 17, 2009 13:51:21 GMT -5
I'm a lesbian and I've noticed that people are much more wiling to accept this scenario with women (a "straight" woman suddenly falling for her really good lesbian friend) than with men. Gay men in particular seem to think the "suddenly realizing your feelings thing" is unrealistic when it comes to men (even late teenagers like Fonsi and Alberto who might still be exploring themselves sexually and also have less defined senses of self) What do others think about the "reality" of the conclusion with Fonsi and Alberto?That's because straight men feared being questioned in their masculinity. I remember a poll about who you prefer to have sex, and the options were Woody Allen, Brad Pitt, Camilla Parker Bowles and Angelina Jolie, for a straight guy were Brad Pitt and Camilla Parker, for a gay one Angelina Jolie and Woody Allen, well you get the idea, they get a handsome partner and an ugly one, the ugly match with the sexual orientation, and the handsome not. Straight women prefer have sex with Angelina than with Woody, Lesbians preferr Brad over Camilla, and gay men prefer Angelina over Woody, but straight men prefer Camilla over Brad (probably a lot of them lie). So i think, they don't want to believe that two male friends could fall in love, if at least one of them is beleived to be straight. Of course there are a lot of straight males who don't have such a problem, and some of them don't even have a problem saying that find some men atractive (i remember some comment of Adam Levine in an interview). With lesbians there are a lot of hipocresy, they are tolerated or even encouraged when they are percieved as a straight male fantasy, but reality is very different, in fact i really think that most of those males, prefer to have a gay male friend (if he is butch) than a lesbian friend And about Alberto and Fonsy, i didn't watch the show lately, and to be honest i always see Fonsi as straight (maybe because the proper web page of the show promote him as a womanizer) but it's true that his feelings for Alberto were from the begining more that a friend, but of course that could be interpreted that they were really close
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Post by maya on Sept 18, 2009 8:20:04 GMT -5
What I liked immediately of this storyline is the deep bond that links Fonsi and Alberto, made of everything you can find in a couple without the sexual part and this was there since just the beginning and was there from the first time they met at school.
I'm sure that if the threesome never happened they would have continued their bromance friendship without any sexual tension but lucky for us the threesome was the perfect way to make Fonsi discover that he could enjoy the sexual side too and this lead to the natural conclusion that indeed they were a couple already in any means you can find in that word.
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Post by HQ75 on Sept 18, 2009 11:31:34 GMT -5
What I liked immediately of this storyline is the deep bond that links Fonsi and Alberto, made of everything you can find in a couple without the sexual part and this was there since just the beginning and was there from the first time they met at school. I'm sure that if the threesome never happened they would have continued their bromance friendship without any sexual tension but lucky for us the threesome was the perfect way to make Fonsi discover that he could enjoy the sexual side too and this lead to the natural conclusion that indeed they were a couple already in any means you can find in that word. I completely agree. ;D
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Post by tubedout on Sept 18, 2009 15:40:02 GMT -5
I just returned to town, and am excited to see all this activity in this thread! It looks like hach and Nadia have been busy with the translations. I am working now on subtitling the videos they translated while I was away. I should have the first one up shortly, then begin working on the rest tomorrow. So a YouTube video will be posted soon in the Clips thread.
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Post by maya on Sept 18, 2009 15:43:26 GMT -5
thanks tubedout, can't wait
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Post by valso on Sept 18, 2009 16:32:52 GMT -5
What I liked immediately of this storyline is the deep bond that links Fonsi and Alberto, made of everything you can find in a couple without the sexual part and this was there since just the beginning and was there from the first time they met at school. I'm sure that if the threesome never happened they would have continued their bromance friendship without any sexual tension but lucky for us the threesome was the perfect way to make Fonsi discover that he could enjoy the sexual side too and this lead to the natural conclusion that indeed they were a couple already in any means you can find in that word. I agree about the fact that, apart from the sexual side, they have acted like a bikering couple since the beginning of the show ;D and for me it was one of the most enticing factor to hook me up to the story. And based on personl experience, me and my best friend always said to each other that if only we could have sex too, we'll be a perfect couple. And this was more or less what happened to Fonsi and Alberto, lucky them!
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Post by overtherainbow on Sept 19, 2009 3:58:22 GMT -5
Just a tip.. There was a gay kiss on NRPP yesterday! Santiago finally confessed to Diego that he likes guys, and then he kissed him before heading off and crashing in a motorcycle accident.
It will probably be uploaded sometime on monday.
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Post by tubedout on Sept 19, 2009 17:03:19 GMT -5
I am continuing to catch up on this thread and the YouTube clips. The latest is uploading now, and will be posted in the Clips thread shortly.
Thanks again to hach for all your hard work, and jnn111 for lending a hand with the translations!! I am so sorry for your loss, nadia, and completely understand why you are busy.
I have a few questions about the episodes I've subtitled so far.
First - are there some missing Fonsi/Alberto scenes between the clips uploaded for Episodes 40 and 41? It's fine if there is, I was just a bit confused. Because episode 40 ended with Fonsi and Alberto having that fight, and Fonsi falling. Then Episode 41 starts with Alberto and Nina doting over injured Fonsi, and they talk as though they agreed to put Alberto's night with Nina aside. So I'm wondering if it was just one of those reconciliations we are to understand took place off screen, or if there were a few scenes missing.
Secondly - in the Episode 41 and 43 clips, Fonsi and Alberto are talking about Alberto playing for a team. Fonsi says something like he was always going to be on his team, meaning a sports team. Do they play soccer together or something? And had Fonsi threatened to quit the team during some fight with Alberto? There is a bit more of the sports talk in the Episode 43 clips, but a lot of it was in the little untranslated bit hach and jnn111 had trouble with. So I really don't understand what is going on there at all.
If anyone could help out with those little bits, especially the stuff at the end of Episode 43, it would be greatly appreciated!! I filled in a couple of the missing bits with what their conversation generally indicated they were talking about, just for ease of reading on YouTube, but there were still a few bits that I couldn't even guess at, and they were clearly Alberto making little passes at Fonsi, so I would love to get them filled in. If anyone can lend hach and jnn111 a hand with those bits, we'd all really appreciate it!
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Post by maya on Sept 20, 2009 5:57:34 GMT -5
I followed all the episodes and I'll try to help you even if my understanding of Spanish language isn't excellent. 1. If I remember correctly there aren't any missing scene between episodes 40 and 41, the first scene after Fonsi fall is the one in the room you saw. I guess being so scared about the accident made Fonsi and Alberto make up immediately 2. From the start of the serie Fonsi was passionate to create a volleyball team to play on the beach against the team lead by Victor. When Fonsi and Alberto had a fight (I guess because Fonsi was hanging out a lot with Victor and the other rich boys and Alberto felt left out) Fonsi decided to play for Victor team. In episode 41 after the fall Fonsi told Alberto that anyway he wouldn't had played for Victor team even if he hadn't broken his leg ;D I hope to have cleared some of your doubts, like I said I don't speak Spanish but I'm Italian so I understand a little. Thank you so much for doing the clip, it's very much appreciated.
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Post by hach on Sept 20, 2009 12:35:49 GMT -5
Four clips from 1x48 are up on page 17. Thanks again to jnn111 for your help, and to tubedout for subbing the clips! Welcome chobonaino I'm sure Hach and jnn111 would love to have help with translations Absolutely! I've already sent chobonaino a PM and I'm still waiting for his reply. I have a few questions about the episodes I've subtitled so far. First - are there some missing Fonsi/Alberto scenes between the clips uploaded for Episodes 40 and 41? It's fine if there is, I was just a bit confused. When I watched 1x41 for the first time I was as puzzled as you (about Fonsi being on such good terms with Alberto all of a sudden), but there were definitely no other Fonsi/Alberto scenes in between.
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Post by jazz73 on Sept 20, 2009 17:43:23 GMT -5
The first I heard of the show was here. I'm so glad I did. So I've never seen it, and don't know if anything is missing. But it wasn't that weird to me that Fonsi was back after the accident. He didn't have anywhere to go, he was just upset about Alberto and Nina and packed a bag. Although at that time he hadn't admitted yet that he was upset about Alberto not Nina. So I assume some time passed, because he was in a cast, and they agreed to go back to the house. Alberto felt really guilty so he insisted on taking care of him. Also they hadn't really made up yet. That came later on the couch. When they both apologize and Fonsi tells him he loves him (not admitting yet that it's more than friends). And Alberto admits that besides being drunk , he also slept with Nina to screw Fonsi. Figuratively and literally.
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Post by tubedout on Sept 21, 2009 3:32:07 GMT -5
I followed all the episodes and I'll try to help you even if my understanding of Spanish language isn't excellent. 1. If I remember correctly there aren't any missing scene between episodes 40 and 41, the first scene after Fonsi fall is the one in the room you saw. I guess being so scared about the accident made Fonsi and Alberto make up immediately 2. From the start of the serie Fonsi was passionate to create a volleyball team to play on the beach against the team lead by Victor. When Fonsi and Alberto had a fight (I guess because Fonsi was hanging out a lot with Victor and the other rich boys and Alberto felt left out) Fonsi decided to play for Victor team. In episode 41 after the fall Fonsi told Alberto that anyway he wouldn't had played for Victor team even if he hadn't broken his leg ;D Thank you!! That helps a lot. When I watched 1x41 for the first time I was as puzzled as you (about Fonsi being on such good terms with Alberto all of a sudden), but there were definitely no other Fonsi/Alberto scenes in between. Yeah, it just felt a little off. Good to know it wasn't just me! Thanks for the latest upload. I just started uploading it to YouTube, so I'll have it posted shortly in the Clips thread.
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Post by valso on Sept 21, 2009 11:31:29 GMT -5
Thank you tubedout for the new clip! The subtitles help a lot!
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Post by Duskysoda on Sept 22, 2009 6:29:27 GMT -5
I'm so confused... the gay guy just married a woman on the beach when he's in love with another guy,,,, geez
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