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Post by chrollifan on Jul 23, 2009 18:59:02 GMT -5
Unbelievable how long it took me to figure it out, what's "wrong" with Mediathek video. *headdesk* They have completely different playlist. ;D
No "The Witch" or "The Bad Touch" there. I think that it took very much away from both scenes. It's not the same product.
ETA: Rhi, I didn't saw your post before. ;D
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Post by rhiannonhero on Jul 23, 2009 19:01:24 GMT -5
I absolutely agree, Andre. The scenes are much better with the soundtrack shown on air. I suppose there must have been licensing issues.
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Post by chrollifan on Jul 23, 2009 19:06:52 GMT -5
Olivia driving a bicycle and grinning during "The Witch" - AWESOME! (The song continued during last Ollian scene).
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Post by husky14620 on Jul 23, 2009 20:24:49 GMT -5
I suspect that this will end up more in the vlog than on the air. And that's a shame, because this is what makes or breaks a soap opera story line.
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Post by brownsugar on Jul 23, 2009 20:34:20 GMT -5
Just watched the episode and here's my 2pence...
What took place at NL with Olli's absence was appalling. Christian who seems to be slipping into a black hole...which is so crushing to see...turned to drink to escape from the truth. I've never seen him so wasted. At the point where he was drinking hard liquor from a bucket someone should have stepped in and put a stop to it, or at least slowed down the madness. There was David, Rebecca and Miriam who all should have tried to put the brakes on the madness. Christian was drinking so much booze he could have given himself alcohol poisoning. He was a laughing stock and his behavior a disgrace to the business of NL, as well as operating at a loss through all the free alcohol that was flying. I just felt pity for him.
The kiss was unwelcoming by Miriam, and the second one forced upon her as Christian tried to show up Rebecca. Glad to see Miriam was forcing Christian away as he awkwardly slapped that sloppy boozed up kiss on her mouth.
How I viewed Christian trying to hide the kiss from Olli, was out of complete fear. He is petrified that when Olli fans out he will be very hurt and who knows what his next step would be. When someone loves so deeply they will go to great lengths to protect from loved one from pain, especially when it's inflicted by them. Christian does love Olli, so much so he's not thinking that the moral and ethical thing to do at that moment would be to tell Olli the truth, he just fears what it would do to Ollli to know that he kissed Miriam. He just knows at this time, right here and now he doesn't want Olli to know. I don't think Christian is thinking about himself, but it's all about Olli.
I'm really pleased Miriam came out and told Olli. The look of shame, guilt and embarrassment on both Miriam and Christian's faces told the story. And that look of shock and disbelief on Olli's face as he put two and two together was heartbreaking.
This whole episode was pretty sad really when you look at how Christian, who has really been such a loving and committed boyfriend to Olli, has quickly reached such a low. And he may come off as the macho type, but he's really a big softy at heart, especially when it come to his Olli. But now look at what he has become...a bitter and depressed individual. And you can't entirely blame him for being this way. Hell, he's just been given a diagnoses which can potentially kill him at such a young age. He had everything to live for and now that dream seems destroyed
As for Olli...I don't know if it's the lighting or what, but despite his concerns for Christian and their relationship, he is looking so radiant these last few episodes. I don't know if this is in by accident or planned to make the sharp contrast to Christian.
Anyway...I can't wait to see what happens tomorrow, and we also have the Vlog...yeah!!
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Post by chrolliforever7 on Jul 23, 2009 21:22:07 GMT -5
I agree, brownsugar I hope Christian apologizes, like REALLY apologizes to Olli. Olli's been so great to Christian, taking care of him, helping him find another occupation, etc., even tho Christian may not agree with why he is doing so. Olli does everything he does out of love for Christian and I really hope Christian sees that. This situation just plain SUCKS
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Post by tihkon2 on Jul 23, 2009 21:59:17 GMT -5
Olli's helped Christian find a new occupation? Did I miss that part??
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Post by rhiannonhero on Jul 23, 2009 22:07:17 GMT -5
It isn't a spoiler. I think that the poster just had a poorly turned phrase. I think the chrolliforever7 meant that Olli is supportive of Christian getting a new occupation.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2009 22:10:15 GMT -5
Rhi: I just read Tihkon's post now that I have read her post I get that. Sorry
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Post by chrolliforever7 on Jul 23, 2009 22:10:40 GMT -5
It isn't a spoiler. I think that the poster just had a poorly turned phrase. I think the chrolliforever7 meant that Olli is supportive of Christian getting a new occupation. Yeah, it wasnt a spoiler, Olli's been trying to help Christian find a new job/goal, u know what I mean. Boxing is out of the picture right now so Olli's helping Christian find something new
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Post by Zam on Jul 23, 2009 22:11:12 GMT -5
It isn't a spoiler. I think that the poster just had a poorly turned phrase. I think the chrolliforever7 meant that Olli is supportive of Christian getting a new occupation. Correct, just yesterday Olli and Christian went through a list of possible occupations: horse trainer, locker room attendant, etc. He has been supportive of him finding something in his field in case he isn't able to continue with school.
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Post by tihkon2 on Jul 23, 2009 22:12:40 GMT -5
ahhh....I see. ;D
Well Olli was real supportive when Christian was training for that fitness position. So supportive he nearly killed him!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by gelybi on Jul 23, 2009 22:15:04 GMT -5
That's NOT a spoiler. Don't panic! ;D Olli did some research about it and brought Christian several papers and books to search for a possible new occupation, he also asked Leonard some documents, though that wasn't clear if them were about new careers for Chris or just research for his illness.
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Post by chrolliforever7 on Jul 23, 2009 22:16:42 GMT -5
That's NOT a spoiler. Don't panic! ;D Olli did some research about it and brought Christian several papers and books to search for a possible new occupation, he also asked Leonard some documents, though that wasn't clear if them were about new careers for Chris or just research for his illness. thats EXACTLY what I meant Don't worry, everybody, I'm not dumb enough to post spoilers in this thread
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Post by kat on Jul 23, 2009 22:21:20 GMT -5
brownsugar wrote: I agree completely! I was going to post about Olli's (Jo's) appearance too. I swear his skin is so luminescent in the recent episodes, he's practically glowing I am NOT however going to comment on that thing draped around his neck.
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Post by lolaruns on Jul 24, 2009 0:37:20 GMT -5
BTW, I could very much picture the gay vs. bi question coming up if Christian uses the "it didn't mean anything that I kissed Miriam because after all I'm gay" thing as an excuse if they fight over it.
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Post by Rita on Jul 24, 2009 8:36:11 GMT -5
My feeling is that Christian was going to tell Olli when he came downstairs to No Limits. I think one of the reasons Christian did what he did was that he had a subconscious, warped desire to make Olli get mad at him and stop treating him like he's "made of glass".
I, too, was a bit surprised about Miriam's role in all of this. The spoilers made it sound like she was going to be all over Christian (or maybe I just interpreted them that way).
As many of you have already stated, Jo has been simply incredible in these episodes. That look of devastation at the end - I felt so sorry for Olli.
Luckily, I've had no problems viewing the full episodes on the ARD website - and I live neither in Germany nor in the neighbouring countries - but thank you, Ivan and others, for the extra effort you still put into giving us the most important bits.
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Post by mona on Jul 24, 2009 9:11:58 GMT -5
My feeling is that Christian was going to tell Olli when he came downstairs to No Limits. I think one of the reasons Christian did what he did was that he had a subconscious, warped desire to make Olli get mad at him and stop treating him like he's "made of glass". I hope that leads to the result that Christian is realizing how much he needs that worry from Olli or at least that he's feeling worse when he has the fear that Olli couldn't treat him the way he used to.
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Post by IvVi on Jul 24, 2009 9:39:47 GMT -5
I think I have to correct my point of you about Christian's intentions to tell or not to tell Olli about the kiss(es). After I watched the subed version and Nanna's translation was "he will never find out" , optimistic me (who still hoped that Christian thoughts were - if you won't tell he will not find out from another person and I will tell him.... eventually) was surrendered. Na ya, we all have our faults and we have to live with them
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Post by ivaniv on Jul 24, 2009 10:08:53 GMT -5
He may have changed his mind, he was keeping a secret for a few minutes and he felt like shit already. A new experience for Mr Honest. He may have actually come down to NL to talk about it with Olli, but Miriam got there first. And maybe not.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2009 10:21:48 GMT -5
I think he would have told Olli it is just not in him to hide it. Knowing Olli he will probably be shocked but understand. Maybe they'll fire Miriam? What is with her and the Mann boys? She slept with Gregor and now she's kissed Christian.
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Post by IvVi on Jul 24, 2009 10:30:12 GMT -5
actually Christian kissed Miriam (but yeah it takes two). I don't know but I like Miriam and I feel sorry that she hasn't had any real story herself. that Chris was feeling miserably was quite obvious and not only because of hangover and maybe he was going to tell Olli but that's what good about it..... all the guessing and discussing and different opinions.... I like it a lot ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2009 10:34:02 GMT -5
Yes Christian kissed Miriam, but Coco was the one who kissed Olli but everyone seemed to blame Olli more than Coco (I have just begun to rewatch from the beginning of the YT videos)
Sometimes I like Miriam okay but most of the time she gets on my nerves and I have no idea why.
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Post by maya on Jul 24, 2009 10:44:00 GMT -5
I don't blame Miriam for the kiss, it was all Christian fault
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Post by lolaruns on Jul 24, 2009 10:50:37 GMT -5
Yeah, sure it's an awkward situation, but it would be pretty unfair if Miriam was the one (and likely only one) who had to pay for it. (and personally, I always thought that Gregor's position in Gregor/Miriam was at least shifty, since HE put the moves on her, she was his employee and chances are she wasn't even over 18/barely 18 because around those episodes she mentioned having to study for her high school final exam). Gregor at the very least should know better.
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