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Post by Bonobochick on Mar 30, 2008 13:52:01 GMT -5
Please discuss here.
Since most of us watch via youtube, please feel free to initially refer to the clip you're discussing for ease of discourse otherwise it might get a little crazy.
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Post by Bonobochick on Mar 31, 2008 19:51:41 GMT -5
204: uk.youtube.com/watch?v=CLUdIt2I6Bw205: uk.youtube.com/watch?v=BWzwmqFy1VcThe kiss by JP's ear from Kieron in 204 was SO sweet. OMG! Kieron's confession to Kris got to me more than JP's confession to Hannah because Kieron just seemed so much more tormented about it. I like that Kris was there for Kieron as a true friend. Hannah was great with John Paul. SARAH SUCKS SO MUCH! I hate how she is treating Elliot.  Poor Elliot. On to 205: SARAH CONTINUES TO SUCK and had the nerve to blame Greasy Roger, once again not taking any responsibility for her actions. UGH! John Paul's talk to Hannah was heartfelt but for some reason I was more moved by Kieron's talk with Kris. And while John Paul is still in love with Craig, he's definitely got strong feelings for Kieron. It sucks because if given the right opportunity you could totally see those two being even more in to each other than they are now. |
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Post by carld2 on Mar 31, 2008 22:28:58 GMT -5
I hate what Elliot is being put through. Hollyoaks has become such a dark show, but seeing one of the kindest and most sensitive characters left broken this way is almost impossible to watch.
I wish they didn't keep having these black holes characters go into for weeks, because this saps up some of the momentum like with Niall.
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Post by amber80 on Apr 1, 2008 17:09:05 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cIxIby-Pp8I have never ever felt more sorry for a character on a soap than I felt for Kieron today... The poor man is obviously head over heels in love with JP and to get that kind of a rejection... 
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Post by Bonobochick on Apr 1, 2008 18:01:50 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cIxIby-Pp8I have never ever felt more sorry for a character on a soap than I felt for Kieron today... The poor man is obviously head over heels in love with JP and to get that kind of a rejection... Now I almost don't want to watch just because I don't want to see Kieron be crushed. |
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Post by alex on Apr 1, 2008 18:17:56 GMT -5
It's sad, but it's good, it's a soap I LOVE this We all know it's not the end. Exactly like McDean, but Craig is now JP and JP become Kieron First : Kieron say he's gay (like JP in McDean) 2nd : the first kiss, but it's just a mistake 3rd : JP get jalous of Kieron/Kris (Craig get jalous of JP/Spike) 4th : JP tell Kieron how much is jalous, kiss him, and bring him to his room (remind me a great scene!) 5th : JP break with Kieron after the first shag (at least he don't say F***ot), Kieron cries and want to know why JP can't be honest since the beginning and i hope ... 6th : JP can't stand not to see Kieron and beg him to come back, and Kieron can't resist  |
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Post by Bonobochick on Apr 1, 2008 18:30:07 GMT -5
It's sad, but it's good, it's a soap I LOVE this We all know it's not the end. Exactly like McDean, but Craig is now JP and JP become Kieron First : Kieron say he's gay (like JP in McDean) 2nd : the first kiss, but it's just a mistake 3rd : JP get jalous of Kieron/Kris (Craig get jalous of JP/Spike) 4th : JP tell Kieron how much is jalous, kiss him, and bring him to his room (remind me a great scene!) 5th : JP break with Kieron after the first shag (at least he don't say F***ot), Kieron cries and want to know why JP can't be honest since the beginning and i hope ... 6th : JP can't stand not to see Kieron and beg him to come back, and Kieron can't resist I love that photo of JP and Kieron. Such a tender moment though the kiss by JP's ear...  The similarities between the two relationships are interesting but I honestly don't compare JP's relationship with Craig with his relationship with Kieron so I generally don't pay attention to mirrors. For me, the relationship JP has with each man is a separate entity. I know I am in the minority but they're so different because to me each man brings out different aspects of JP so I never think to compare the two relationships.  |
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Post by Difficult Diva on Apr 2, 2008 8:30:18 GMT -5
I finally watched Monday's JPK clips and my heart was breaking for Kieron. He was being upfront and honest about his feelings and he gets shot down. I have to say, that it's been a very long time since I've been dissapointed in John-Paul's actions.
I understand WHY he did what he did, I just didn't like it.
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Post by heartbreak on Apr 2, 2008 8:58:02 GMT -5
I finally watched Monday's JPK clips and my heart was breaking for Kieron. He was being upfront and honest about his feelings and he gets shot down. I have to say, that it's been a very long time since I've been dissapointed in John-Paul's actions. I understand WHY he did what he did, I just didn't like it. i totally agree with you.. john paul knew before how he feels about craig and everthing.. its not fair to sleep with kieron and then shoot him off.. poor kieron.. how he almost cried.. |
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Post by Bonobochick on Apr 2, 2008 11:29:03 GMT -5
I finally watched Monday's JPK clips and my heart was breaking for Kieron. He was being upfront and honest about his feelings and he gets shot down. I have to say, that it's been a very long time since I've been dissapointed in John-Paul's actions. I understand WHY he did what he did, I just didn't like it. I have to agree with you. I watched the clips this morning and I was incredibly disappointed in JP not just because JP wasn't very honest with Kieron about his true feelings or what he wanted when things were building up between them & JP was running around all jealous but I found how JP finally told Kieron what he did feel for him rather callous in delivery.  To me, it came down to JP sounding/ being scared and running away. I am also annoyed with the belief that one has to already be in love before pursuing a relationship. Not true! Sometimes you are in love when things start up but sometimes love isn't there at the very beginning though the relationship can lead to love. JP's right in that he doesn't really know Kieron but it's not where he's really tried in a romantic sense nor is willing to try so on some level I found what JP said to be a cop-out especially as initially when things came to a head, Kieron was ready to put the brakes on things and just be friends but JP couldn't contain his jealousy over Kieron's relationship with Kris. Then JP has sex with Kieron after more or less saying he wants to be with Kieron then turns around and says "sorry, it's not worth it". WTF? I felt very, very badly for Kieron because he laid not only his heart on the line but everything he believed in because he thought he could have a future with JP and JP basically told him he wasn't worth the trouble. Harsh. Even worse, he threw in that being with Craig was worth the trouble *. Talk about adding insult to injury. I am so so SO disappointed in how JP handled the fallout with Kieron. PS: SARAH SUCKS! She's wililng to forgive Zoe cause she needs someone to whine to about how Roger made her be mean to Elliot and lied to her, thus once again completely absolving herself of any responsibility for being a heartless jerk to Elliot. * : once again, I love McDean but I really didn't think JP needed to tell Kieron that Craig was worth the trouble and Kieron wasn't. He'd already broken the man's heart. Why add more pain? |
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Post by harmonium on Apr 2, 2008 12:28:34 GMT -5
My poor Kieron. Sighxx. And JP's "I hardly know you" just disgust me. PERIOD. Then why even bother go sleeping with Kieron if he hardly knows Kieron and also knowing the severe consequences of sleeping with a priest. I thought that's really hypocritical of him to say that. Unless he's saying this just to end this relationship in a quick manner, I find that sentence really harsh and fake. And I won't blame Kieron for asking JP if he's using him. I mean he broke his vows just to be with JP and now all he gets from JP is a rejection and a "I hardly know you". Any sane person would have be hurt in a very painful way with that sentence. I'm disappointed, truly disappointed with JP's actions and his words. He doesn't seem to be very careful and good with words. Oh god, I don't think I can continue watching this any further. And I don't understand why people want to compare JP/Kieron with JP/Craig. Maybe because at the first place I didn't really catch the McDean story so I don't know about the mirroring. And I'm the same with you, bonobochick, I see a person's relationship with different people as separate entities. I believe that a person could not get an exact replica of a relationship he once had with another person. Darn. What's will all the stupid storylines recently. First Nuke, then DeRo and now, McPriest. No wonder people are flocking away and started to follow Ollian. Hehehe.  I can't wait for Brothers & Sisters to resume, I need my "ScoVin" fix!!! |
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Post by Difficult Diva on Apr 2, 2008 13:03:41 GMT -5
Bonobochick, Loved your entire post. ;D John-Paul is scared, as he should be, because he does have feelings for Kieron. Why would he be so callous, if he didn't really give a crap about him? I have to agree with you. I watched the clips this morning and I was incredibly disappointed in JP not just because JP wasn't very honest with Kieron about his true feelings or what he wanted when things were building up between them & JP was running around all jealous but I found how JP finally told Kieron what he did feel for him rather callous in delivery. To me, it came down to JP sounding/ being scared and running away. We've talked about the 'you have to be in love before pursing a relationship' topic and I'm not getting it either. So, regardless of a clear attraction you may have towards someone, you have to make sure that you're "in love" before you go out with them? How many people who have EVER dated in their lives, made sure that they felt 100% completely in love with another person BEFORE they started dating them?! Seriously. Does that make ANY sense? I am also annoyed with the belief that one has to already be in love before pursuing a relationship. Not true! Sometimes you are in love when things start up but sometimes love isn't there at the very beginning though the relationship can lead to love.Kieron's dealing with a ton of 'mixed signals' from John-Paul and it's sad, because JP really doesn't want to hurt him, but he has with his acts of jealousy and fear of others finding out or sensing what's been going on between them. When Kris sussed out that he (JP) was having a secret affair with someone, that was after JP and Kieron had only shared a kiss. They hadn't even had sex at that point, yet a third party was able to see that there was some form of tension going on in his life. JP's right in that he doesn't really know Kieron but it's not where he's really tried in a romantic sense nor is willing to try so on some level I found what JP said to be a cop-out especially as initially when things came to a head, Kieron was ready to put the brakes on things and just be friends but JP couldn't contain his jealousy over Kieron's relationship with Kris. Then JP has sex with Kieron after more or less saying he wants to be with Kieron then turns around and says "sorry, it's not worth it". WTF?I wanted to smack Sarah silly, over her not taking any responsibility over what she (along with Roger) have done to Elliot. She knew that he had feelings for her, yet she couldn't just be HONEST with him and say that she just wanted to be friends? Also, you have to be a very low person in order to allow yourself to have sex with someone else in another person's bed, who has a crush on you. Way to rub salt into the wound. That was just nasty behaviour all around. Now, I can definitely use the word "skanky" in reference to Sarah, because of her actions and not just because of the way that she dresses. PS: SARAH SUCKS! She's wililng to forgive Zoe cause she needs someone to whine to about how Roger made her be mean to Elliot and lied to her, thus once again completely absolving herself of any responsibility for being a heartless jerk to Elliot.
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Post by Bonobochick on Apr 2, 2008 14:54:43 GMT -5
I haven't had a chance to read a lot of thoughts in other places (still waiting for my approval for the JSF forum! Why mods... why delay me?? ) but the comments I read on youtube were half and half with some folks pissed at JP for hurting Kieron, actually hurting for Kieron and some all about McDean. I guess there will be new stuff today but I am not looking forward to seeing Kieron all heartbroken. Even Kris seemed disappointed in JP's actions. I still can't believe the lack of compassion in JP when he finally told Kieron how he felt. I think more than anything I am surprised by that considering what a bleeding heart JP usually is about other's feelings. I just don't know what to think on that... |
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Post by alex on Apr 2, 2008 18:40:08 GMT -5
For me JP's only a character (not a reel man) ... ok everybody know that  , but writer's job is to make us cry, laugth, be angry, and especially hope (and i think they do a really good job). So how to get mad on JP's actions??? But, if i see JP like a reel man, I'm not upset by his actions too. Like bonobochick, I think others feelings are very important to him, and as he say, it's the reason he totally freaks out. Others are not only Kieron, but his family, his mates, and everyone he knows. Yes, it's very difficult for Kieron, but he know him for 3 months and they're mates but don't really know each other. If we remember what happen after THE party, his mother and sisters blamed him for hurting Sarah, Nancy and Sarah don't speak to him anymore, Hannah blame him for her sickness, and I don't talk about Dean's family... After Craig left, the only mates he seems to have was Katy, Summer, and Elliot who don't even know about McDean... So he might be afraid. In his shoes, I probably do the same thing, he likes Kieron, but he don't love him (not yet ) |
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Post by Bonobochick on Apr 3, 2008 10:29:26 GMT -5
I admit to not having watched all of clips 208/209 (are those the latest ones??) but the bits I did see plus reading the youtube comments, I am going to put off a bit watching just because I want to continue to love JP and from I kind of saw myself and gathered from the youtube comments, his cruelty to Kieron is going to make me very displeased.
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Post by cakefan on Jul 12, 2008 4:58:38 GMT -5
It's sad, but it's good, it's a soap I LOVE this We all know it's not the end. Exactly like McDean, but Craig is now JP and JP become Kieron First : Kieron say he's gay (like JP in McDean) 2nd : the first kiss, but it's just a mistake 3rd : JP get jalous of Kieron/Kris (Craig get jalous of JP/Spike) 4th : JP tell Kieron how much is jalous, kiss him, and bring him to his room (remind me a great scene!) 5th : JP break with Kieron after the first shag (at least he don't say F***ot), Kieron cries and want to know why JP can't be honest since the beginning and i hope ... 6th : JP can't stand not to see Kieron and beg him to come back, and Kieron can't resist I never read this post at the time - but bumped on it now and wanted to say that you were probably spot on - this list could be prolonged quite a bit, unfortunately to begin by adding to no 5 that JP called Kieron a filthy queer the day Kieron left the McQueens' house. 6th: JP begs Kieron to take him back. Kieron can't resist. 7th: Myra finds out, is heartbroken and reveals the relationship to all 8th: Kieron chooses John Paul over the Church - although only after being revealed, it is heartfelt because he does get the chance to go back (Fr Raymond) and does not take it. I think after this the mirroring is moving to a different level - from Myra=Sarah, John Paul=Craig and Kieron=John Paul, I think we will now move to other mirrorings - some are comparing Kieron's flight to Aberdeen to Craig's flight to Zante (I don't really see too many similarities there I must say) and even the upcoming engagement with Craig and Sarah's engagement (but I think it's way to early to say anything about that). |
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jul 14, 2008 15:20:59 GMT -5
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Post by caitlinp on Jul 14, 2008 15:37:02 GMT -5
The last scene from the latest episode is just so sweet. JH really sold the scene, and dare I say he even did a better job in the scene than James S. I needed that scene to be longer, but it was still good.
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Post by amber80 on Jul 14, 2008 19:25:34 GMT -5
Lovely scenes today... Really liked it! |
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Post by carld2 on Jul 14, 2008 22:51:54 GMT -5
I saw some of the photos of Darren from the E4 episode. Oh my. As if I didn't love him enough already.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jul 15, 2008 14:26:51 GMT -5
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Post by nahuela on Jul 15, 2008 14:34:39 GMT -5
I just can´t say how much I love them together <3
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Post by caitlinp on Jul 15, 2008 14:52:20 GMT -5
I love what Kieron said to Myra, as much if not more than I liked the last scene of him and John Paul. Finally, someone told her that this is not about anyone else but them, and he did it in such a nice way.
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Post by skilian on Jul 15, 2008 15:50:57 GMT -5
That episode made my feet all tingly. |
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Post by momnoc on Jul 15, 2008 15:54:17 GMT -5
Only a 3 minute clip today........and all of it just wonderful!!!! Even the scene with Myra was nice because of what K said to her!
Hmmmmmm......going to go watch it again!
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Poor Elliot.
To me, it came down to JP sounding/ being scared and running away. 
I can't wait for Brothers & Sisters to resume, I need my "ScoVin" fix!!! 
, but writer's job is to make us cry, laugth, be angry, and especially hope (and i think they do a really good job). So how to get mad on JP's actions???
