Christian & Oliver, 10.07.09, [NO SPOILERS]

[lolaruns]

I'm gonna go with kes here, I think it's very annoying that Olli acts like this has to be done immediately. Especially since to me, from both the doctor and Judith it didn't sound that dire. Sure Olli is freaked out, but I'm not a fan of behavior where they truly harm each other.

For example, sure Christian blows up and does low blows, but wouldn't that kind of behavior bother is too if it was in a situation where Olli was feeling really rotten? For example when Olli opened up to him about Olivia's blackmail. What if rather than being supportive Christian had instead thrown a fit or berated Olli for loving Olivia? After all he was affected, his big press conference was the next day, his career was on the line, he would have been justified in pulling an "I'm scared card". But wouldn't it have been pretty hurtful if he had pulled that behavior out in this particular situation?

I feel the same way about Olli using his in this situation.

It's just an unusual situation because normally it has manifested in one of them blowing up/showing there worst behavior and the other one being there to catch them. Even if they had the opportunity they usually didn't blow up at the same time, maybe even held back even though they could have blown up. That's how they usually are, they both can be flawed, but usually they alternate flaws. I'd just argue that "Olli isn't there to be catching/to be graceful when Christian really needs it" is a new flaw in addition to a normal "thoughtless" or "selfish".

[kes]

Jul 10, 2009 17:35:58 GMT -5 lolaruns said:

I'm gonna go with kes here, I think it's very annoying that Olli acts like this has to be done immediately. Especially since to me, from both the doctor and Judith it didn't sound that dire. Sure Olli is freaked out, but I'm not a fan of behavior where they truly harm each other.

For example, sure Christian blows up and does low blows, but wouldn't that kind of behavior bother is too if it was in a situation where Olli was feeling really rotten? For example when Olli opened up to him about Olivia's blackmail. What if rather than being supportive Christian had instead thrown a fit or berated Olli for loving Olivia? After all he was affected, his big press conference was the next day, his career was on the line, he would have been justified in pulling an "I'm scared card". But wouldn't it have been pretty hurtful if he had pulled that behavior out in this particular situation?

I feel the same way about Olli using his in this situation.

It's just an unusual situation because normally it has manifested in one of them blowing up/showing there worst behavior and the other one being there to catch them. Even if they had the opportunity they usually didn't blow up at the same time, maybe even held back even though they could have blown up. That's how they usually are, they both can be flawed, but usually they alternate flaws. I'd just argue that "Olli isn't there to be catching/to be graceful when Christian really needs it" is a new flaw in addition to a normal "thoughtless" or "selfish".

1. Lola, your agreement made my night. (You don't agree unless you mean it, and usually you end up setting me straight. I respect you for that.)

2. It's been said before, but all this (including people's reactions, perhaps) are so human -- rhia's word was right -- "ludicrous." We humans are such funny creatures! The sad thing about an event like the one Olli and Christian are facing is that they are both being hit with a brick at the same time, so both will be a little weak, a little uncaring, even as they need each other desperately.

I don't know what is coming. However, the blog reassures me. I didn't "like" all of what Olli said, but damn if I didn't love him. He made me cry! This extra "scene" helped put today in context. In the end, they love each other, and are supportive.

[mona]

I agree on that one totally: Olli could come in Christians direction. Dealing with the thought of losing sport first but Christian should also take a step and stop doing the training sessions for a while. I think Olli just got the "I have no future anymore" and now has the plan to give Christian a new one and thinks with doing that he would show Christian how much interest he has besides Christians health condition and that he loves him.

When I had to make a pause in school because of a sickness I was also very depressed but maybe I'm thinking Christian has more besides it. He has Olli, the chance to do something else and so on. I don't know if Christian could feel the "It's fate, nothing goes right in my life" like he once had "Loser, gay, what would my father say?" moment. Just the feeling that he's always the one who's falling back (he is the one who started his studies later and now a break until he gets better?) But pushing Olli away will only make it worse I fear.

[kes]

Jul 10, 2009 17:52:11 GMT -5 @mona said:

I agree on that one totally: Olli could come in Christians direction. Dealing with the thought of losing sport first but Christian should also take a step and stop doing the training sessions for a while. I think Olli just got the "I have no future anymore" and now has the plan to give Christian a new one and thinks with doing that he would show Christian how much interest he has besides Christians health condition and that he loves him.

And I can see why Olli would be scared. There is something a little suicidal (not literally so??) in Christian's behavior -- a reckless, "WTF" about life that is dangerous. That would terrify me if he were my partner. I would fear that as much as the illness itself.

In the blog, Olli's incredible fear is palpable. Christian may be in denial (as rhia mentioned) for a while, but in this case, denial may be dangerous.

[rhiannonhero]

I have to say that I think you're all too hard on both of them! Haha! I'm apparently an incredibly easy person to evoke sympathy in.

[kes]

Jul 10, 2009 18:01:49 GMT -5 rhiannonhero said:

I have to say that I think you're all too hard on both of them! Haha! I'm apparently an incredibly easy person to evoke sympathy in.

I love you, rhia!

Now I'd better get to dinner, because I am running late, and that would give my husband cause to be angry, and might even hurt him. In which case, I will have to yell at him and blame him for something to deflect said anger, and that will be rather a drag after all my self-righeousness tonight.

(Please note: I do not actually do this with my husband. . I do want to avoid hurting him, though!)

[seven14]

Hello All,

Thank you so much Nanna, Tihkon, Ivan...for the beautiful caps and videos and Subtitles as well as Sonnenschein( for the recap in the Gen Discussion thread).

Just want to say, we've been treated to some powerful uses of music before, but this was the best for me to incorporate the the music along with Christian's boxing....I feel the frustration and am so glad he put those gloves on to get it out!

The C/O episodes have been meaty (finally) and wonderfully acted of course....

I'm lurking but loving it soooo much!!!

Ciao ya'll!!!

[mona]

When Olli said "worst case" I also thought: that's too much. That's usually don't Olli who stays optimistic. Christians "salt in the wound" (or what it is in english) was right at the moment but why adding the "I don't need a boyfriend". The introductions were just odd and not the comments itself. Maybe Olli doesn't want him to be disappointed later, I don't get it either.

Maybe it's also amusing me that they fight about things where I think: Wow, that's hard but they still act like they can't be apart at all so they just have to figure it out. Love that.

If they make up or get a scene where it fits I would want Olli to say something like "You won't lose me because of it". Because since Christian feels like he loses everything, that would be good.

Christian should think about his fear when Olli was in the hospital or other situation where he wanted to give up boxing (for Olli!). Of course it's a different situation to deal with, but still...

Mona, in English, "pouring salt in the wound" is also something we say.

Thank you, I wasn't so sure.

When Christian said "for a change" I had to laugh a bit because it's silly when one day before he's thanking Olli for being there for him.

[rhiannonhero]

Mona, in English, "pouring salt in the wound" is also something we say.

[husky14620]

Jul 10, 2009 12:28:47 GMT -5 @ivaniv said:

Finally, someone behind the camera who gets the lighting and angle right so that we can see Christian's (Thore's) beautiful blue eyes!

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His eyes are so freaking blue here!!!! Love it

[nryabenko]

Gregor's (Andrea) eyes are even bluer. If you look really close, they are sky blue. I love guys with blue eyes. Brown too if they are soleful.

[husky14620]

Jul 10, 2009 19:56:34 GMT -5 nryabenko said:

Gregor's (Andrea) eyes are even bluer. If you look really close, they are sky blue. I love guys with blue eyes. Brown too if they are soleful.

I have a thing for the eyes, especially blue. But as the old saying goes, "The eyes are the windows to the soul." Both Jo and Thore have such expressive, and revealing eyes.

AJ's eyes are much paler than Thore's. That is why I am so happy that they finally got a camera person and lighting person who know how to handle Thore's eyes. They really are such a lovely deep blue, like wading pools to his soul... (Homer Simpson 'drool', , "blue eyes...")

I'd better go now,... before the guys in the white coats have to come take me away, too. Or worse, i cross that line I'm so very close to and get myself banned...

Note to self: Sentence = Noun, verb, {{{adverb}adjective}{prepositional phrase}}

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I'm a blue or green eye kinda girl (sorry brown eyed people!) My eyes are dark green with brown in them so I like light coloured eyes better. I love the way in different lighting blue and green eyes look really different, especially our boys eyes Husky you are right about the lighting person good job they have someone who can actually do it now otherwise we wouldn't get to see those beautiful eyes as they are meant to be seen

[iyra92]

Hi eveybody!

Thanks Ivan, Nanna & Tihkon for Chrolli video today.

I feel I could understand Christian... he just so upset . Of course on a big picture Olli should agree with the doctor and for the reason that he loves Christian too much. I do understand Olli's just sooo afraid of Christian health and he simply don't want anything bad happen to Christian again. So good job VL teams, all things justify.

On the other hand - I say, Olli does change . Olli used to says the right words to comfort Christian and able to steer Christian to the right direction without hurting his feeling for example when Christian decide to use drug a year ago . I think he feel secure about his life, job and Christian, and sometimes take its for granted or may be he getting more serious. Lately he seem forgot to streer Christian to the right direction and see things as the bigger picture the soft ways as he used to do.

And Christian change too - because he did not yell back at the end (so to speak) instead of understand that Olli do what he do for love. Oh well.... it's soap.... at least it alot better that than cheating! I'm looking forward to watch more dramas that prove they love each other soo much and hopefully the old Olli back!.

I loves 8-10 July episodes and I would like to credit the writers, directors and everybody for that:-*. And of course Thore and Jo acting awesome! I really like Christian & Oliver

[brownsugar]

Another excellent episode. I think the best so far this week. And the acting from both Jo and Thore has been pitch perfect in execution and style. Some of the best I've seen them do. They are really excellent actors. And let me give a shout out to the actress who plays Judith...she has also done a terrific job these last few episodes.

Christian is going through the classic steps of someone who has been given a diagnoses which is life threatening. He is presently at the denial and anger stages. Working in the health field myself and dealing with people who are given terminal diagnosis, or are told they have to give up a particular lifestyle or career is typical of how I see Christian acting. They lash out at those closest to them. The family act much like how Olli is responding, simply out of love and concern, but that doesn't translate to the person who is in the crises situation. They are angry because they got ill and you are healthy. They don't want to be told how they should act or feel. They want to act the way THEY want because it's their illness not yours.

You often see two types of reactions...those that don't want the family to be all sympathetic to them, such as Olli presently is to Christian, or they become extremely needy toward their family with their fear on full display.

The VL team are actually doing a pretty good job in showing Christian's reaction to his illness, which is in line with his characters, and Olli's reaction as a loved one, again in line with his character. Christian is so angry at the moment so he lashes out at Olli. He naturally doesn't mean the biting comments, but Olli is the closes person to him, and it is often in these circumstances that we will hurt those who mean the most to us. And naturally Olli, very afraid he might loss that person who means everything to him will do anything to prevent this from happening.

Kudos to VL for doing a great job so far. Even doing their homework on Christian's diagnosis which indeed is very serious and could prove fatal. Christian's heart has been weakened and damaged to a certain degree from this infection, he must give it time to heal and recover.

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I agree with Brownsugar on the reactions from Olli and Christian. They make sense for the characters and to the situation.

A friend of a friend of mine had something like Christian and was told he couldn't dance anymore, at first he reacted the same way as Christian and then he did some stuff that ended him up in a care facility.

I hope Christian doesn't do this because I may have to stop watching if that happened.

[ivaniv]

I can understand them both. Christian is angry, upset and desperate and in that situation one wants to hurt people around them and say mean things. And when Olli found out Christian did not stop the training, he thought he had to do something immediately before he kills himself or gets depressed. Christian was living just from one day to another before Olli encouraged him to study, but now when he lost that it will be much worse for him.

[Bonobochick]

Did I blink and miss Gregor? Cause seriously, if the relative I was closest to and loved the most in the world was recently hospitalized from passing out and suffering from an inflammed heart muscle after being told that his future dreams had all but been totally crushed, I'd be hanging around big time.

I thought it was a serious oversight to not have Gregor more involved in what's going on with Christian... especially as he lives right acorss the hall.

[ivaniv]

Yeah, it would be nice to have at least a few seconds of Gregor saying something like "Are you OK? Yes and now piss off" But Gregor wasn't in the episode at all. So maybe that's why. Also this way all Christian's frustration was targeted at Olli...

[babyface]

thanks for share link and screencaps" of the Video.."
Nanna, Tihkon, Ivan, Sonnenschein
Awesome.....
Can wait for the Next Episode.."
i would like to know,.."
what "s Christian Going after this..."

[amber80]

Finally had some time to watch it and the blog straight afterwards and I loved it! (Perhaps I loved the blog even more )

I could understand both of them, although Olli did make me roll my eyes a few times. But still: I could understand why he was acting the way he did. It was also totally in character. Both their reactions were btw.

I love it when things make sense.

[Difficult Diva]

I just love this couple and their storylines and their inclusion in OTHER character's storylines.

[HQ75]

Jul 12, 2009 10:45:54 GMT -5 Difficult Diva said:

I just love this couple and their storylines and their inclusion in OTHER character's storylines.

Totally agreed. This show more than some of the others we all watch feels like an ensemble cast where the writers actually REMEMBER that these folks live and work together and therefore their lives are inextricably linked.

Christian and Olii get a TON of screen time. Seriously, as separate characters is feels like one or the other of them is always on screen no matter whose "official" storyline is taking a front seat.

I would hate it if Christian and Olli existed in some weird bubble. It would be unrealistic and not very interesting to watch.

On top of that, I have grown to love Judith, Gregor, Charlie, Miriam and even nasty Olivia and the beautiful but crazy Stella.

It's just all so good.

Two of my favorite scenes were the ones when they played charades and the recent foosball craziness.

Judith in particular is like the sister neither of them ever had and desperately needs. She balances out the testosterone of Gregor, Olli and Christian so well and in that scene with Olli and the stretcher when she grabbed him and said "Look at me" my stomach flipped.

Not sense Friends (and maybe Sex in the City) has a show really demonstrated how "friends" are just as important as biological family and sometimes more so.

Any couple does best when they have a strong support network of friends and Olli and Christian are no different.

[Rita]

It must be the subtle body language of Christian and Olli (or I guess I should say Jo and Thore) that once again makes these latest scenes so believable (and understandable from both Christian and Olli's point of views). As hard as some of these scenes are to watch, Jo and Thore's incredible charisma and chemistry just shine through again. For drama’s sake, I'm glad they get to do these scenes. (For some other actors), it could be a little tricky to convey that underlying feeling of love despite the fact that the characters are saying the completely opposite thing but Jo and Thore are doing a superb job again.

Thank you Nanna, Ivan and everybody again for all the things that you do for all of us linguistically challenged .