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Post by brownsugar on Jul 11, 2009 0:14:52 GMT -5
i also left a message last night on the vlog site, and there was far more than 35 responses. I even noticed some familar names from this site had posted in english. Unless I also left it at the wrong site. Everything is in German so maybe I posted in the wrong spot.
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Post by kes on Jul 11, 2009 0:24:19 GMT -5
I did leave a message last night but maybe on the wrong site!! So just left another one....... and Kes you could NEVER be a pest. You are so wonderful! Thanks! Thanks brownsugar and chrolliforever!
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Post by lolaruns on Jul 11, 2009 0:44:08 GMT -5
Maybe you could leave a message on the site that you have been having technical difficulties? Maybe then they'll fix it. I remember the princess diaries were originally also posted over at youtube, so maybe is too many people have problems with this player they will start just using youtube.
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Post by ivaniv on Jul 11, 2009 3:10:36 GMT -5
Comments are really really nice to have, but I think number of views is more important, especially the next Friday. If there are more people viewing it or less than before. To support that I am not going to post a download link for the next week video Nanna, you can define a note to your video. I just did that for my latest clip, the last 20 seconds.
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Post by HQ75 on Jul 11, 2009 6:36:45 GMT -5
Nanna, you are amazing!! Thank you so much!! This will be extremely helpful when promoting the blog. *hugs you* Is there a way to get a direct suggestion to Thore or Jo? If so, I'd say a different translator is desperately needed. English is my first language so I could figure out what was intended but if I wasn't a native English speaker and didn't speak German, I might not even realize how wrong some of those translations were. I LOVE IT!! I hesitate to even say anything because I appreciate it so much and love these actors/characters. But every word is so precious... So if you have a way of conveying this to "folks". we'd all be so appreciative. CHEERS!
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Post by Sonnenschein on Jul 11, 2009 7:32:50 GMT -5
Thank you Nanna I just put your trailer on the campaign yt page. Lets all hope for a lot of clicks now I am sure we all did our share ;D (and continue to do so) How about you just postpone posting the download link, Ivan? For a week? I for one would love to add it to my collection (haven't seen it yet obviously, but if yesterday's blog is any indication...) Pretty please?
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Post by Zam on Jul 11, 2009 8:13:57 GMT -5
Zam is VERY UNHAPPY about joining Twitter. Zam has great mistrust regarding social media in these pervasive forms.
*takes a deep breath*
I watched the video last night and just did again this morning. It's wierd to me.
First, I love the emotion and that it follows the story. Jo was very good during Olli's private moment of fear. Thore was more curious in this.
In a way it breaks the fourth wall, but also seems "staged" for a camera. And I mean a TV camera more than a webcam. When Christian sits next to Olli, it seems like he is already conscious of the camera. Why wouldn't he step in front of Olli and point his butt to the camera to kiss Olli rather than slide sideways next to him to make sure we can see the kiss.
Throughout, Christian shows his confusion about the camera & vlog, but I don't think it's enough. Sure he may have come to expect something crazy like this from Olli over the last year, but this is so very personal. I think he ought to have fought with Olli more about broadcasting his very personal medical issues over the web. I don't think this format is very Christian-oriented.
Overall, it's very good...for a start.
We didn't have a reconciliation of the stress between them, which is good. Will these vlogs act as part of the show? Will we have needed to watch these on Friday before we can now watch the show on Monday?
I guess we'll find out.
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Post by softfurbear on Jul 11, 2009 8:35:14 GMT -5
I was able to view the video once but after that I kept getting the error message "server not found rtmp://vod.daserste.de/ardfs/". Did anyone else run into this problem?
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Post by Zam on Jul 11, 2009 8:45:32 GMT -5
I was able to view the video once but after that I kept getting the error message "server not found rtmp://vod.daserste.de/ardfs/". Did anyone else run into this problem? None here, sorry.
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Post by kes on Jul 11, 2009 9:04:00 GMT -5
Zam is VERY UNHAPPY about joining Twitter. Zam has great mistrust regarding social media in these pervasive forms. *takes a deep breath* I watched the video last night and just did again this morning. It's wierd to me. First, I love the emotion and that it follows the story. Jo was very good during Olli's private moment of fear. Thore was more curious in this. In a way it breaks the fourth wall, but also seems "staged" for a camera. And I mean a TV camera more than a webcam. When Christian sits next to Olli, it seems like he is already conscious of the camera. Why wouldn't he step in front of Olli and point his butt to the camera to kiss Olli rather than slide sideways next to him to make sure we can see the kiss. Throughout, Christian shows his confusion about the camera & vlog, but I don't think it's enough. Sure he may have come to expect something crazy like this from Olli over the last year, but this is so very personal. I think he ought to have fought with Olli more about broadcasting his very personal medical issues over the web. I don't think this format is very Christian-oriented. Overall, it's very good...for a start. We didn't have a reconciliation of the stress between them, which is good. Will these vlogs act as part of the show? Will we have needed to watch these on Friday before we can now watch the show on Monday? I guess we'll find out. Zam, what is there to distrust? Since when has the American corporate oligarchy government used the structures of commerce to enhance the surveillance mechanisms of Halliburton the state? And who wouldn't want to report what they are doing and where they are doing it at all times and in very bad English? I, for one, long for the Bush years when I could have won PatriotPoints for reporting the activities of my friends and family on media such as Twitter. I almost had enough points for a Smith and Wesson Semi-Automatic with laser sighting when that darned Obama came in! Yes, I think Foucault would have loved Twitter, nu? He could have Twittered Derrida about his latest theories concerning the panopticon, identification as survelliance and commodification, sexuality, and the latest episode of The View.
Anyway, I'll Twitter for Chrolli, though I share your qualms. You critique the blog well -- which is good. As stated, I think it is quite fine, but they seem to be putting a lot into this, and may actually value some constructive criticism. And who wouldn't want to see Christian's backside in the camera, nu? Spread the news idea of the day: Put the name of the blog in the footer of personal emails you send to friends, government officials, and your mother.
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Post by ivaniv on Jul 11, 2009 12:41:20 GMT -5
Well they use one camera and cannot have multiple angles of a scene, they have to work with that one angle.
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Post by amber80 on Jul 11, 2009 13:11:52 GMT -5
It's so good! (I just hope people don't start thinking it's really Jo and Thore doing this. ) I already read a few comments from people thinking it's them irl. So annoying when people don't read the description. And as much as I'm enjoying it, there's no way I'm starting up a Twitter account. I didn't do it for Dan Radcliffe, and I'm not doing it now. ;D (Do all of these people have shares in Twitter? ) Me neither. I simply refuse.... (I am already using FB and that's more than enough next to all the forums and Imeem. I already got rid of my MySpace account. ;D )
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Post by sozment on Jul 11, 2009 15:18:57 GMT -5
But I have to say..do we honestly have to critique everything? Can we not just enjoy it for what it is? Just saying.... sighhh...
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Post by Zam on Jul 11, 2009 15:41:39 GMT -5
I don't want to sound ugly, but isn't the point of a disucssion forum and thread to share our opinions?
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Post by rhiannonhero on Jul 11, 2009 15:56:25 GMT -5
I found the vlog very interesting for a lot of reasons, but one of the main things I found intriguing was a new spin on Olli's character. In the past, Olli's character hasn't shared much about himself or his feelings. Not in general, and especially not about the trauma he went through with the beating from Axel, the aneurysm, etc. And even with what is happening now with Christian, which is, imo, very emotionally traumatic for Olli, he hasn't really talked to Christian or Judith or anyone else about his feelings, fears, etc, at least not in any depth. (Because, like with the beating and aneurysm, Olli's primary concern is appearing strong for other people, and taking care of other people. That's how he operates, and that is, imo, why he never really played up or even felt comfortable discussing in any way the actual beating from Axel or how he felt about it. He downplayed it at every turn. In this situation, though, I think he is too panicked to actually appear strong, and instead comes across as pushy and perhaps even callous, but it all comes from a well of fear.)
So, I was very fascinated that the character would choose to unburden himself in this manner via a vlog. In a way, it makes sense -- he doesn't have to actually deal with anyone's immediate reaction to what he's saying, and that can feel safe. But he's also telling someone about it, an actual person, and that probably helps him to let the stuff go just a little, and to feel supported himself.
It was also interesting to me how he changed when Christian arrived because he went from talking about his emotions, how he was reacting and what his fears were, to talking about Christian -- it was much more the Olli character that we're accustomed to seeing, the one who doesn't focus on emotions so much as how to "fix" things. But, clearly, he has these fears and traumas, and they are part of what motivates him to behave as he does, so it was really very interesting to me to see this new spin on his character. I'm still digesting it...but I'm pretty darn sure I like it!
ETA: I got interrupted by small children a dozen times during this. I hope it makes some kind of sense.
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Post by aussie54 on Jul 11, 2009 16:38:54 GMT -5
It's so good! (I just hope people don't start thinking it's really Jo and Thore doing this. ) I already read a few comments from people thinking it's them irl. So annoying when people don't read the description. I thought that might happen. *sigh* Let's hope they wake up very quickly, and realise it's ACTING. And as much as I'm enjoying it, there's no way I'm starting up a Twitter account. I didn't do it for Dan Radcliffe, and I'm not doing it now. ;D (Do all of these people have shares in Twitter? ) Me neither. I simply refuse.... (I am already using FB and that's more than enough next to all the forums and Imeem. I already got rid of my MySpace account. ;D ) *hugs* We'll be the only people left on earth not Twittering. ;D
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Post by kat on Jul 11, 2009 17:02:10 GMT -5
zam I found your analysis of Christian's behavior very interesting and lots of food for thought, I'm anxious to see what the next installments will reveal vis a vis this behavior. PS: Kat is very unhappy about joining twitter too, so far I have refused, but who knows? rhiYour take on Olli's motivation for baring his thoughts on his vlog are very insightful and pretty much spot on imo. This kind of critique and analysis is what makes both of you such excellent writers of fic as well! I really enjoy learning what other Chrolli addicts are thinking, that's why I spend entirely too much time on this board
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Post by rhiannonhero on Jul 11, 2009 17:28:36 GMT -5
Additional thoughts about the vlog, also likely to be interrupted by a small child (I'm down to only one in the house now, since the friends went home!), so it might be less eloquent than I'd like: 1. I'm curious about whether the existence of the vlog will be mentioned at all on the show. I, personally, would appreciate that kind of continuity. 2. I continue to think about how the vlog thing works for the Olli character and how that, luckily, can work for us as the viewing audience. I'm hoping that at least some thought was given to whether or not vlogging would be in character for Olli, and I think that it is for a lot of reasons. (Though, actually, I think a blog would possibly be most in character, but it would be a whole heck of a lot less fun for us as the viewing audience. Hmm, but now I'm rethinking that assertion, because as Olli himself put it in the first vlog, Olli is, in general, a "live and in color", vibrant character, so I can see that aspect really appealing to him.) 3. I liked how the vlog started with Olli being very peppy and hyper, and all about the bar...though, honestly, I wasn't sure at first because it seemed so incredibly old-skool Olli in a way -- topical, superficial, hyper, VIBRANT in capital letters -- but when I think about it, that's probably the Olli that his friends in Ibiza are most familiar with, and I'm not entirely sure that Olli sat down with the intention of unburdening himself on the vlog. I think he might've wanted a distraction from his frustrations and fears, and thought, "I could make a fun vlog like I promised my friends ages ago! That will distract me!" And then the medium itself, as well as the unbearable fear and anxiety he's operating under, basically coaxed the "confession of feelings" from him. We definitely see him turn it off as soon as he hears Christian's voice, which I originally thought might be because he was ashamed to be sharing intimate details of their life, but we very quickly see that isn't the case, so my next conclusion, and the one I find most accurate, is that he feels that burdening Christian with the true depth of his fear and despair would be unfair, and that it is his responsibility to "take care of" Christian, etc. I am curious about him then disclosing the issues of Christian's illness and in the manner that he did so, and I'm curious about Christian's response. I was kind of surprised that Christian didn't actually get up and walk away, instead of almost doing so. I think I should watch again with an eye toward understanding Christian a bit more. Though, my gut feeling is that he came down to No Limits looking for Olli in order to either make up or to solidify a tenuous make up that was achieved before Olli came downstairs to close the bar, i.e. after their final scene on the actual show. My mind supplies things like, "Did Judith give him her .02 on Olli's situation? Is he feeling guilty for the low-blows he served to Olli earlier in the day?" I have to agree to some degree with Zam that Christian's motivations were less clear to me, but that doesn't mean I can't fanwank it somehow to make sense and be utterly in character. I just haven't watched with that intent in mind yet. All in all, I think this vlog thing is totally cool. I, um, think this is all I have to say about it for now, but I can't promise that I won't be back with more to say about it! ETA: Thanks, kat! That's super nice of you to say! ETA II: About the butt-in-the-camera-to-kiss thing, I might not be visualizing correctly what you're talking about, Zam, but when I'm watching it, I get the impression Olli was in a booth-like thing, like the one he was in when Christian brought him the cocktail after the "employee" fight, which would put a table in front of him on which sat his computer/camera. I don't see how Christian could get to him to kiss him w/out sliding into the booth in that scenario? Also, I've half-way fanwanked Christian's motivations during the vlog, and if I ever achieve near-eloquence on my ideas there, I'll be back.
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Post by Zam on Jul 11, 2009 21:20:18 GMT -5
Nah, Rhi, I think you've pretty much got a lot of this nailed on the head. This vid was very Olli-centric. I enjoyed what you had to say
Regarding the booths, if it's anything like the one Charlie was sitting at several weeks ago spying on Stella enjoying her variety of free drinks, the tables are pretty low. Sort of like the seats Olli and the restaurant critic were sitting in. Almost like a coffee table at home. So the sliding in sideways still seems awkward to me, and as if it were blocked for the TV camera. (ETA: How many times have we watched YouTube vids that are awkward and funny because they didn't seem "staged"? I can accept the awkwardness more from Olli and Christian. Christian accomplished that here when he didn't seem (to me) to be playing to the (TV) camera.)
And to make clear what I was finding issue with in my earlier post, it was the direction and the writing. I am going to assume that the show's writers and directors had a hand in putting this together. Those technical elements took me out of the story from time to time. (ETA: I became disconnected from the emotion of the scene.) The acting for me was fine. Jo and Thore were fine.
ETA: It's a gift to the fans, yes, and we are privelged to receive it. At base, however, it is a performance and it and the technical elements are subject to fan and audience criticism. Just like the show.
Obviously, next week's vlog is a completely different animal. The fourth wall has already been broken, so we don't need to worry about (hopefully) the stage-y blocking. The convention has been established that when Christian finds Olli at NL alone talking to his computer, the camera is on. There's no reason for Christian to act surprised or awkward about that from here on... unless Christian remains leery about the video blogs.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2009 21:38:27 GMT -5
I refuse to use Twitter mostly because I can't keep track of everything I have now, I have too many accounts and I'm getting confused sorry guys I still haven't seen the video in English I just got my friend to translate as I played it and he told me over the phone how funny the English subs were. Olli: I'm petrified of Christian because he is so muleish. I'm sorry but that is just bad (funny, but bad). ETA: screw it I joined Twitter (I'm pathetic I have a problem, off to Twitter (huh?!)).
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Post by Nitty on Jul 11, 2009 22:09:22 GMT -5
Olli: I'm petrified of Christian because he is so muleish. I'm sorry but that is just bad (funny, but bad). ...lol! I know...it totally threw me off there for a sec! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2009 22:12:41 GMT -5
Yeah when my friend told me I was like WHAT?! that doesn't make any sense, he wonders if they weren't a little drunk when they wrote them or maybe they just put it through Babelfish and came up with it. ;D O well they were still cute
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Post by rhiannonhero on Jul 11, 2009 22:30:15 GMT -5
Yeah, it's amazing how the word "of" instead of "for" can make such a huge difference in meaning. And, really, stubborn might've been better than mulish, I guess. Though, really, mulish does technically work...though, less so with the misspelling. But, you know, beggars can't be choosers!!!! I'll take any reasonable-ish translation any day of the week over not knowing what they are saying!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2009 22:34:56 GMT -5
Me too! I translate all their articles through Babelfish and even though they are off I get the picture sort of
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Post by flippa on Jul 12, 2009 1:17:21 GMT -5
ok I made this at about 6am whilst totally drunk sooooooo... but here's my contribution to the "get people to watch" movement
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