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Post by caitlinp on Jun 9, 2008 20:50:23 GMT -5
Why are people saying that John Paul will go off into the sunset with either Craig or Kieron. Have there been any reports that James Sutton is ending his contract? If there haven't been any reports stating this, I think it is just as likely to assume that Craig and JP will finally put their relationship to rest, even though to me it pretty much ended in the airport, Guy will leave the show again, and the characters of Kieron and John Paul will continue on.
John Paul has grown, and hopefully, he sees how toxic his relationship with Craig was. Even though his relationship with Kieron is a secret, and it won't be by the time Craig comes to town in September, in fact the truth would have been out for over two months, Kieron treats John Paul a heck of a lot better than Craig did. And by Sepetember the bond between Keiron and John Paul would have grown deeper.
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Post by Ed on Jun 9, 2008 21:06:12 GMT -5
Why are people saying that John Paul will go off into the sunset with either Craig or Kieron. Have there been any reports that James Sutton is ending his contract? If there haven't been any reports stating this, I think it is just as likely to assume that Craig and JP will finally put their relationship to rest, even though to me it pretty much ended in the airport, Guy will leave the show again, and the characters of Kieron and John Paul will continue on. John Paul has grown, and hopefully, he sees how toxic his relationship with Craig was. Even though his relationship with Kieron is a secret, and it won't be by the time Craig comes to town in September, in fact the truth would have been out for over two months, Kieron treats John Paul a heck of a lot better than Craig did. And by Sepetember the bond between Keiron and John Paul would have grown deeper. I'm going to repost this comment made by Guy Burnet: He is returning to give what "McDean" fans always wanted plus the Channel 4 official article said "Sunset Ending", for me those clues are sufficient to make me think that I'll happen. Though I expect twists and turns. I must say that I'm really happy about this.
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Post by tihkon2 on Jun 9, 2008 21:09:08 GMT -5
caitlinp, Part of a news article from Channel 4, which airs Hollyoaks: Here's the link, there's 3 more blurbs on 3 consecutive pages. Click "next news story" www.channel4.com/entertainment/tv/microsites/H/hollyoaks/news/previous/08/06/080610.htmlI would think that we'll be seeing a much different Craig than the one who was left alone at the airport. I'll speculate that he's going to be a much more mature individual. So, I personally won't judge if it's a "step back" for JP if he returns to Craig, until I've seen what the Craig of 2008 is like.
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Post by caitlinp on Jun 9, 2008 21:15:11 GMT -5
I'm not going to put too much stock in what digitalspy reports, because most of the posters on that site or biased one way. When the report came out about Guy doing on episode at night, many fans assumed that he was coming back for a SE. When Guy said that he was just in negotiations to come back, many said it was going to be a SE, this without any proof to back-up this sentiment.
And Guy can pretty much post what he wants, but he's not a writer, and these episodes haven't even been shot yet.
I have one more question, since John Paul is such a great character, why do so many people want him off the show. It seems to me, that in order to get a SE, John Paul would have to leave. Why are so many JP and C fans for this? Is that just the nature of UK shows (I'm from the US btw). Do people just expect actors to stay with shows for a short period of time, or are people so rabid and John Paul and Craig that they don't realize if these characters do go off together then they will no longer appear on the show?
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Post by tihkon2 on Jun 9, 2008 21:18:53 GMT -5
caitlinp, This isn't digitalspy information: it's on Hollyoaks own website. Yeah, it's mostly a given that soap actors on British soaps will leave for bigger and better things. (They hope...) Most contracts are only for 6 months to a year. Speculation is that his original contract expired months ago, and he signed on for 6 more months. So, I don't think it's a matter of desperate McDeaners not giving a crap if James leaves to get the story. I think it's a matter of, if he's leaving anyways ,do the story. My understanding of the "Sunset Ending" thingy was that from the get go, it was hoped that when James Sutton decided to leave that many McDean fans hoped the show would get Guy Burnet to return so that JP and Craig could "ride off into the sunset" together. Brian Kirkwood, (The producer of Hollyoaks) liked the idea as well, and Guy Burnet wasn't opposed to it either. So now we have GB returning for a short time , and this from Hollyoaks own website: so IMHO it's only natural to think that's what may well be coming. Opinions may vary...
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Post by Ed on Jun 9, 2008 21:29:14 GMT -5
I'm not going to put too much stock in what digitalspy reports, because most of the posters on that site or biased one way. When the report came out about Guy doing on episode at night, many fans assumed that he was coming back for a SE. When Guy said that he was just in negotiations to come back, many said it was going to be a SE, this without any proof to back-up this sentiment. And Guy can pretty much post what he wants, but he's not a writer, and these episodes haven't even been shot yet. I have one more question, since John Paul is such a great character, why do so many people want him off the show. It seems to me, that in order to get a SE, John Paul would have to leave. Why are so many JP and C fans for this? Is that just the nature of UK shows (I'm from the US btw). Do people just expect actors to stay with shows for a short period of time, or are people so rabid and John Paul and Craig that they don't realize if these characters do go off together then they will no longer appear on the show? Guy can post what he wants, but he wont be posting lies. His post was before the official article appeared on Channel 4 website, and all he said that he was negociating was confirmed. I can't see why he would return to Hollyoaks if it weren't for the Sunset Ending. Maybe this all started because James Sutton wants to leave.
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Post by Bonobochick on Jun 9, 2008 21:56:59 GMT -5
I just saw the official announcement: www.channel4.com/entertainment/tv/microsites/H/hollyoaks/news/previous/08/06/080610.htmlI like Guy so it will be good to have him back. All 3 men are good actors so I cannot wait to see how everything plays out in the end. Regardless of that anticipation, I am going to wait to see what the writers put forth for the audience. Spending the next few months speculating is not something I am looking forward to. If I am going to drive myself nuts over a show, it will be AWZ and that's because one has to fanwank it since the writers have slipped.
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Post by cakefan on Jun 10, 2008 4:03:05 GMT -5
I'm not going to put too much stock in what digitalspy reports, because most of the posters on that site or biased one way. When the report came out about Guy doing on episode at night, many fans assumed that he was coming back for a SE. When Guy said that he was just in negotiations to come back, many said it was going to be a SE, this without any proof to back-up this sentiment. As said by other posters, it's not the digital spy forum, but Kris Green, their soap writer who is a trustworthy source. It is on Hollyoaks website as well and was already reported by Guy over the weekend. The "proof to backup the sentiment" was already in Guy's post - if he was returning, he wanted it to be a good storyline and as others have said: confirmed on Hollyoaks website now. It is not just Guy getting to do what he wants/his fans want, the exit of Craig was specifically written open ended, because the producers hoped we would return some day. This storyline has long been planned out for the occasion of James leaving. Also, in British soaps - and definitely in Hollyoaks the actors apparently DO have some to say over scripts/storylines. Craig/JP was originally written as an unrequited love story and they only made Craig confused/bi/gay after Guy had consented to this. (according to previous interviews with Guy and Brian Kirkwood, the producer of the show) I don't think ANYONE wants James to leave. I'd prefer if James and Guy stayed on the show for the next ten years, broke up, got together again, did a trio with Kris, broke up again, get back together, got married and adopted kids, but you can't expect these young actors to stick around a teen soap forever. They are both 25 and might want to play something other than a teen boy every once in a while. Also, Hollyoaks makes 5 episodes a week, their workschedules are quite tiring. The reason Guy is coming back to regular Hollyoaks in september, supposedly for a sunset ending, is that this is when James would be leaving our screens. The end of his current contract is late June/early July - with an 8-week interval between filming and screening this fits perfectly. As I said, I don't think anyone WANTS James/John Paul to go. But IF he goes, a lot of people would like to see him leave with his first love, Craig. I don't think anyone can be blamed for hoping that he does.
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Post by carld2 on Jun 10, 2008 6:32:54 GMT -5
Is John Paul going to be gone by the time everyone finds out about Niall? That should be an important beat of the story, since Niall obviously resents John Paul's status as the only boy in the family.
I can respect James' decision to leave, and I'm glad he will at least be leaving with a happy ending, but I can't say I'm not disappointed about how the character turned out. John Paul had such potential to be more than just his sexuality. And instead, every story they gave him was about his being gay.
I want to see a gay man who has romances, who falls in love, but I also want to see a gay man who has other things in his life. When John Paul leaves, I hope they will bring in another gay character (or keep Kieron) and try a different approach. They've had the coming out story, it was brilliantly done, they can now try something different.
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Post by shanuti on Jun 10, 2008 7:35:37 GMT -5
Are we even sure James is leaving? The only time I've read he's leaving was in the Sun, and that was refuted by both the producers and Sutton himself.
Which is one of the reasons I don't buy into the idea of a SE.
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Post by Simone on Jun 10, 2008 9:13:48 GMT -5
We are not sure that James is leaving, but it is highly probable that he is leaving the show when his contract is up at the end of the month. On the JSF forum, James posted that his contract was up in June. With the gaps in the story, scenes taped in June are likely to air in September when Hollyoaks Web site states that Guy will be on the show. BK, GB and JS all talked about a Sunset Ending happening if possible. Consequently, it is more likely that James is leaving the show at the end of this month than he is staying on for the long term.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jun 10, 2008 11:07:20 GMT -5
As it should be for the viewers who don't want him to leave with his first love, his 'third love', or anyone at all. There are viewers out here on the internet that would like to see JP make the journey of his future on his own, without any man. I know, I know.....James, Bryan and Guy have all said that they want to give the fans a 'Sunset Ending', but this particular fan never wanted it. Just expressing my own pov on the neverending topic. Who knew that a fictional 19-year-old gay young man's future would have so many people debating with each other on many forums? Bryan Kirkwood is a genius.As I said, I don't think anyone WANTS James/John Paul to go. But IF he goes, a lot of people would like to see him leave with his first love, Craig. I don't think anyone can be blamed for hoping that he does.
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Post by Bonobochick on Jun 10, 2008 12:19:01 GMT -5
Reading the latest spoilers, I am disappointed in Myra's reaction to finding out about JP/K. I understand that she's upset but with all the other stuff her other children have done, I am a bit bothered how extreme her reaction is to the affair. I totally get her shock, her dismay, even her disgust but I don't get how she's not this crazed by her other children's questionable antics. Or maybe I am just more sensitive to this storyline. I know she holds JP to a higher moral standard than her other kids except Tina, but still... I just keep remembering how she was begging Michaela to come home and willing to get down on her hands and knees when I kept thinking it might do the spoiled brat some good to learn how to fend for herself and grow the hell up some, maybe learn to take some responsibility for her actions. YMMV.
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Post by bugchicklv on Jun 10, 2008 13:53:17 GMT -5
I'm confused.
There are so many posts about how Guy said he'd only come back for a SE if the writers would give JP/C that.
Could he not have changed his mind? Been tempted by more money? Gotten bored with whatever else he'd been doing recently? Decided he LIKED doing HO and wanted to come back?
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Post by carld2 on Jun 10, 2008 15:23:57 GMT -5
Reading the latest spoilers, I am disappointed in Myra's reaction to finding out about JP/K. I understand that she's upset but with all the other stuff her other children have done, I am a bit bothered how extreme her reaction is to the affair. I totally get her shock, her dismay, even her disgust but I don't get how she's not this crazed by her other children's questionable antics. I think the priest part is what bothers her. A gay priest with her son. I'm not looking forward to these scenes, I think it's plot over character, which has plagued the McQueen family for months now. The only reason I want to see them is because I know Nicole Barber Lane will knock them out of the park. I'm also not looking forward to seeing Niall turn into a complete caricature and try to run over Tom, which causes Max's death. And if the spoilers I read today are true, then Max dies in OB's arms. Sometimes I think they were the best couple on this show.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jun 10, 2008 15:43:15 GMT -5
Well, at least Max dies in the arms of the person that has loved him through EVERYTHING that he's been through on HO. I'm not even sure that Steph does love him, or is she in love with the idea of someone being in love with her and actually wanting to marry her?
There was a reason why she started messing around with Niall, and it wasn't just because he gave her a discount on her hair cuts at Evissa.
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Post by carld2 on Jun 10, 2008 15:47:48 GMT -5
I think she loves Max, she's put up with so much of his baggage, and with the very difficult Tom. I don't think they would have lasted as a couple if they had stayed together. They're too different.
I'm glad OB will be there for him at the end. I hate that they're killing Max off, but he was so wonderful with OB (OB punching Clare to save Max is still one of my favorite soap scenes ever). If he has to die, then it has to be with OB holding him to tell him goodbye.
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Post by sheepiefarm on Jun 10, 2008 16:09:37 GMT -5
I think she loves Max, she's put up with so much of his baggage, and with the very difficult Tom. I don't think they would have lasted as a couple if they had stayed together. They're too different. I'm glad OB will be there for him at the end. I hate that they're killing Max off, but he was so wonderful with OB (OB punching Clare to save Max is still one of my favorite soap scenes ever). If he has to die, then it has to be with OB holding him to tell him goodbye. I think OB / Max has got to be one of the best "non-couple" soap couples ever. Not looking forward to the end - I'll be like *choke* *sniffle*
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Post by tihkon2 on Jun 10, 2008 16:27:21 GMT -5
I was sooo dissapointed to hear that Max is going to be killed off. But like others, I'm glad that they're bringing O.B. back for what will most likely be a three hanky weeper of an episode.
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Post by amber80 on Jun 10, 2008 21:08:53 GMT -5
I was sooo dissapointed to hear that Max is going to be killed off. But like others, I'm glad that they're bringing O.B. back for what will most likely be a three hanky weeper of an episode. I'm know I'm gonna cry....
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Post by cakefan on Jun 11, 2008 4:41:00 GMT -5
As it should be for the viewers who don't want him to leave with his first love, his 'third love', or anyone at all. As I said, I don't think anyone WANTS James/John Paul to go. But IF he goes, a lot of people would like to see him leave with his first love, Craig. I don't think anyone can be blamed for hoping that he does. Oh, don't get me wrong. I don't blame anyone for hoping for any kind of ending for John Paul as long as it's a happy one...
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Post by gigi on Jun 11, 2008 9:39:39 GMT -5
Reading the latest spoilers, I am disappointed in Myra's reaction to finding out about JP/K. I understand that she's upset but with all the other stuff her other children have done, I am a bit bothered how extreme her reaction is to the affair. I totally get her shock, her dismay, even her disgust but I don't get how she's not this crazed by her other children's questionable antics. I think the priest part is what bothers her. A gay priest with her son. I'm not looking forward to these scenes, I think it's plot over character, which has plagued the McQueen family for months now. The only reason I want to see them is because I know Nicole Barber Lane will knock them out of the park. I'm also not looking forward to seeing Niall turn into a complete caricature and try to run over Tom, which causes Max's death. And if the spoilers I read today are true, then Max dies in OB's arms. Sometimes I think they were the best couple on this show. I would agree with that, especially when Myra spilled all her secrets to Kieron and spent a lot of time making him feel welcome in their home. There might even be an element of guilt there (I brought Kieron into our house, it's my fault my son is damned for eternity.) I hope John Paul and Myra patch it up before he goes, though.
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Post by nahuela on Jun 11, 2008 13:09:12 GMT -5
Max´s death will be so sad...Just thinking of it makes me wanna cry
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Post by amber80 on Jun 11, 2008 16:34:55 GMT -5
Thanks for posting the link! Niall is the bad guy, but I really can't dislike him. I think it's one of the most interesting and complex charactars I've seen on a soap.
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Post by Bonobochick on Jun 11, 2008 23:56:28 GMT -5
I like Max as well, so that's too bad that he'll be killed off and so tragically.
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