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Post by Jack on Dec 10, 2023 1:59:13 GMT -5
I wonder if what happens to Ste in January has something to do with James and Lucas, since spoilers reveal that Ste will find out about James's treatment of Lucas around Christmas, and also, spoilers also reveal that Lucas will be impacted by the conversion therapy storyline.
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Post by Jack on Dec 10, 2023 2:50:07 GMT -5
Also, regardless of John Paul's connection with Carter, I really do question why he hasn't told anyone about Carter practising conversion therapy. Yes, Carter is struggling, but I don't think that someone who practices conversion therapy should be in a position of authority over young teenagers, some of whom are members of the LGBT+ community (Dillon, most likely Lucas, etc). I get that John Paul spilling the beans would probably stop the storyline, but I still don't understand why he'd keep quiet, regardless of his feelings for him, or the fact that Carter is struggling with his own sexuality. You'd think he'd also be worried about the potential harm Carter may have on the young and vulnerable students at Hollyoaks High. I think JP will feel extremely guilty when the truth is revealed about the future manipulation of Lucas (and maybe even Dillon). And imo, he'd be absolutely right to feel guilty!
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Post by overtherainbow on Dec 10, 2023 7:06:12 GMT -5
Love watching Dillon flirt with another boy and Lucas getting jealous.
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Post by justinate on Dec 10, 2023 10:21:00 GMT -5
Is Andre going to be gay/bi? I couldn't honestly tell. Dillon was definitely flirting, LOL. I hope they will give Dillon a POV and not just a prop to Lucas and his coming-out drama. It's ridiculous how little he has been on and it seems like even his romantic prospects are purely to feed into Lucas's storyline. TBH, I was hoping for a more legacy character (like Darren's son JJ) to get his flirt on with Dillon and make Lucas jealous. With Dillon/Andre, you know neither of them will really get a POV.
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Post by overtherainbow on Dec 10, 2023 11:15:01 GMT -5
Is Andre going to be gay/bi? I couldn't honestly tell. Dillon was definitely flirting, LOL. I hope they will give Dillon a POV and not just a prop to Lucas and his coming-out drama. It's ridiculous how little he has been on and it seems like even his romantic prospects are purely to feed into Lucas's storyline. TBH, I was hoping for a more legacy character (like Darren's son JJ) to get his flirt on with Dillon and make Lucas jealous. With Dillon/Andre, you know neither of them will really get a POV. It's not clear whether Andre is gay or not, but the spoilers make me hopeful. Someone named Vicky tries to kiss him but he pulls away. www.digitalspy.com/soaps/hollyoaks/a46063659/hollyoaks-spoilers-mercedes-carter-andre/
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Post by justinate on Dec 10, 2023 11:18:06 GMT -5
Is Andre going to be gay/bi? I couldn't honestly tell. Dillon was definitely flirting, LOL. I hope they will give Dillon a POV and not just a prop to Lucas and his coming-out drama. It's ridiculous how little he has been on and it seems like even his romantic prospects are purely to feed into Lucas's storyline. TBH, I was hoping for a more legacy character (like Darren's son JJ) to get his flirt on with Dillon and make Lucas jealous. With Dillon/Andre, you know neither of them will really get a POV. It's not clear whether Andre is gay or not, but the spoilers make me hopeful. Someone named Vicky tries to kiss him but he pulls away. www.digitalspy.com/soaps/hollyoaks/a46063659/hollyoaks-spoilers-mercedes-carter-andre/Unfortunately, pulling away from Vicky doesn't say anything about his sexuality because his reason is that they're half-siblings with the same bio dad, which he knows but she does not.
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Post by overtherainbow on Dec 10, 2023 11:46:29 GMT -5
Unfortunately, pulling away from Vicky doesn't say anything about his sexuality because his reason is that they're half-siblings with the same bio dad, which he knows but she does not. Well, that explains it, lol. Sorry, I don't really watch Hollyoaks so I have no idea who is related. I only watch the gay storylines. But well... he could still be gay. Either way, I'm glad to see more of Dillon, and if Lucas gets jealous from watching him flirt with Andre (whether Andre is gay or not), then all good. Though I agree with you, I hope Dillon gets an actual, steady boyfriend and that's how Lucas gets jealous. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
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Post by overtherainbow on Dec 12, 2023 7:51:06 GMT -5
I'm loving these new spoilers. Something might finally happen between Lucas and Dillon. At the very least they'll talk and hopefully get closer. Christmas should be good this year. We might even get a new years kiss😏
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Post by justinate on Dec 12, 2023 8:41:04 GMT -5
I'm loving these new spoilers. Something might finally happen between Lucas and Dillon. At the very least they'll talk and hopefully get closer. Christmas should be good this year. We might even get a new years kiss😏 Isn't Lucas due to be sucked into the conversion therapy storyline? I can't imagine there will be a lot of romantic moments for Lucas until that is resolved. (I did hear that the new regime is shortening or axing some stories planned under the previous regime, so let's see what is affected.) Even a new year's kiss seems likely to end in a punch-up, which I do NOT look forward to. I always hate that we're expected to root for gay couples where one guy used to bully/beat up the other. I would like some happiness for Dillon - not more grief. Whether it's a casual hookup with Andre or a longer-term romance with JJ (still hoping at least one of these guys will be queer, after they missed the boat with Charlie), I'd rather Dillon have some fun/romance/both than moon after a self-loathing Lucas.
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Post by overtherainbow on Dec 12, 2023 10:47:13 GMT -5
I'm loving these new spoilers. Something might finally happen between Lucas and Dillon. At the very least they'll talk and hopefully get closer. Christmas should be good this year. We might even get a new years kiss😏 Isn't Lucas due to be sucked into the conversion therapy storyline? I can't imagine there will be a lot of romantic moments for Lucas until that is resolved. (I did hear that the new regime is shortening or axing some stories planned under the previous regime, so let's see what is affected.) Even a new year's kiss seems likely to end in a punch-up, which I do NOT look forward to. I always hate that we're expected to root for gay couples where one guy used to bully/beat up the other. I would like some happiness for Dillon - not more grief. Whether it's a casual hookup with Andre or a longer-term romance with JJ (still hoping at least one of these guys will be queer, after they missed the boat with Charlie), I'd rather Dillon have some fun/romance/both than moon after a self-loathing Lucas. Yeah, I was getting ahead of myself. I know a NYE kiss is probably far fetched, but you never know. Honestly, if the new producers do scrap the conversion therapy storyline I wouldn't be too sad, that's IF they still go ahead with Dillon and Lucas. I really don't want to see a conversion therapy storyline, but if it means I have to stomach it to get Lucas and Dillon hooking up, then so be it. I'm not sure Lucas will bully or beat up Dillon? I highly doubt it, at most he'll just yell at him and walk/run away. I don't see this being another gay falling for his bully storyline, but who knows... I might be wrong. Anyways, we know Lucas and Dillon will get drunk together (well.... at least Lucas will be drunk), so hopefully he'll at least tell Dillon what James is doing to him. I will say though: I wish this would have played out differently. Dillon should have gotten a boyfriend and that's how Lucas gets jealous and realizes he has feelings for him. There is nothing about this, sigh, so my guess is this will be a very slow burn storyline, if it happens at all (lets pray it does actually happen). My guess is Lucas will eventually tell Dillon what's going on and they'll get closer. Maybe eventually he will realize he has feelings. I also think this storyline has been terrible so far, Dillon has barely gotten any screen time and some of the stuff we've seeen hasn't made much sense, like Lucas all of a sudden ignoring Dillon. If anything the writing can only go up from here. Hopefully they'll get more screen time and the coming out storyline will start. I thought it would start this past summer, I was surprised (and annoyed) they waited so long. As for Andre... you were right. I think he is straight. I think they'll couple him with Leah, Lucas' sister. Though ike you In wouldn't mind him and Dillon hooking up, but hopefully that would be with a more legacy character. Either way Dillon deserves a love life, a boyfriend, whether that is Lucas or someone else. Last but not least... JP and Carter will have sex in the toilets in tonight's episode, so at the very least we'll get some gay action
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Post by justinate on Dec 12, 2023 11:06:43 GMT -5
The thing that puzzles me about the conversion therapy storyline - up until last month, we were led to believe it would be banned for gays/lesbians and it was only trans conversion therapy that was still up in the air. It came as a surprise that even the gay conversion therapy was left out of the King's speech (which is how our government sets out its legislative agenda for the parliamentary year ahead). Did the Hollyoaks showrunners somehow have inside intel that gay conversion would not, in fact, be banned when they started plotting this story, way earlier than the King's speech which was only in November?
I think they should have JJ be bi. It would take the sting out of them failing to make the other teen Osbourne son (Charlie) queer. It was staring us in the face. I don't know why they didn't go there. I hope it wasn't because they were afraid to make a legacy character bi or because the actor didn't want to.
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Post by robronfanguest on Dec 12, 2023 17:07:06 GMT -5
Isn't Lucas due to be sucked into the conversion therapy storyline? I can't imagine there will be a lot of romantic moments for Lucas until that is resolved. (I did hear that the new regime is shortening or axing some stories planned under the previous regime, so let's see what is affected.) Even a new year's kiss seems likely to end in a punch-up, which I do NOT look forward to. I always hate that we're expected to root for gay couples where one guy used to bully/beat up the other. I would like some happiness for Dillon - not more grief. Whether it's a casual hookup with Andre or a longer-term romance with JJ (still hoping at least one of these guys will be queer, after they missed the boat with Charlie), I'd rather Dillon have some fun/romance/both than moon after a self-loathing Lucas. Yeah, I was getting ahead of myself. I know a NYE kiss is probably far fetched, but you never know. Honestly, if the new producers do scrap the conversion therapy storyline I wouldn't be too sad, that's IF they still go ahead with Dillon and Lucas. I really don't want to see a conversion therapy storyline, but if it means I have to stomach it to get Lucas and Dillon hooking up, then so be it. I'm not sure Lucas will bully or beat up Dillon? I highly doubt it, at most he'll just yell at him and walk/run away. I don't see this being another gay falling for his bully storyline, but who knows... I might be wrong. Anyways, we know Lucas and Dillon will get drunk together (well.... at least Lucas will be drunk), so hopefully he'll at least tell Dillon what James is doing to him. I will say though: I wish this would have played out differently. Dillon should have gotten a boyfriend and that's how Lucas gets jealous and realizes he has feelings for him. There is nothing about this, sigh, so my guess is this will be a very slow burn storyline, if it happens at all (lets pray it does actually happen). My guess is Lucas will eventually tell Dillon what's going on and they'll get closer. Maybe eventually he will realize he has feelings. I also think this storyline has been terrible so far, Dillon has barely gotten any screen time and some of the stuff we've seeen hasn't made much sense, like Lucas all of a sudden ignoring Dillon. If anything the writing can only go up from here. Hopefully they'll get more screen time and the coming out storyline will start. I thought it would start this past summer, I was surprised (and annoyed) they waited so long. As for Andre... you were right. I think he is straight. I think they'll couple him with Leah, Lucas' sister. Though ike you In wouldn't mind him and Dillon hooking up, but hopefully that would be with a more legacy character. Either way Dillon deserves a love life, a boyfriend, whether that is Lucas or someone else. Last but not least... JP and Carter will have sex in the toilets in tonight's episode, so at the very least we'll get some gay action Yeah, I do wonder if Lucas and Dillon's involvement in the conversion therapy storyline has been dropped. The writers are focusing a lot on Carter coming to terms and struggling with his sexuality, and I won't be surprised if the direction of the story has changed slightly to focus more on Carter and John Paul's POVs, and the long-term impacts of conversion therapy (because Carter was clearly manipulated as a young person, which definitely impacts his future relationships and happiness). At the same time, there's a noticeable focus on exploring the abusive dynamic between James and Lucas, as well as Lucas's internalised homophobia. So, I'm wondering if, as a way to still explore Lucas's struggles, the writers or producers decided to drop Lucas's involvement with the conversion therapy plot and instead develop his storyline involving James. Because I don't recall any foreshadowing of James and Lucas's storyline (which seems major to me), when this year's major storylines were outlined and hinted at. I wouldn't complain if they drop Lucas's part in the conversion therapy storyline, because his current storyline is already kind of bleak, and I don't really want to watch him go through mistreatment from James (including being hit!) while struggling with his sexuality, and then potentially falling victim to manipulation by Carter afterward. I know conversion therapy is a real and horrible thing that occurs, but I'm not sure if Lucas really needs to be involved in the story, especially considering everything else he has to deal with. I also think Lucas and Dillon can become romantically closer through other storylines, such as the storyline with Lucas and James. I think regardless of any conversion therapy storyline, they seem to be planning a romance for Lucas and Dillon. Dillon's feelings aren't as clear yet (I think they will become more clear though), but Lucas clearly likes Dillon now imo, and I think the trailer hints at a romantic moment between them (even if it's just an almost kiss, or them noticing a mutual spark). At the same time, the spoilers for this storyline came out in September, so I'm not sure if they would have had enough time axe it, considering their big storylines are planned MONTHS in advance, and the episodes are also filmed a while in advance. It was also spoiled to be a major storyline, so I'm not sure how easy it would be to revise or axe a major storyline so last minute. Still though, we still haven't seen any indication of Lucas's involvement with Carter.
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Post by overtherainbow on Dec 15, 2023 13:51:09 GMT -5
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Post by carld2 on Dec 16, 2023 3:39:30 GMT -5
It's difficult to invest in any of this due to Ste's involvement. He was abusive for years and that was mostly whitewashed. Brendan was abusive towards him and that was treated as signs of being in love. If they did veer in this direction rather than the Carter aspects, I think it feels like more redundant melodrama and somewhat rushed (and it also cheapens the abuse James suffered and again tells viewers that if you are abused you will become abusive). Just unpleasant all around.
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Post by blake on Dec 19, 2023 15:05:38 GMT -5
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Post by overtherainbow on Dec 20, 2023 4:42:38 GMT -5
It's nice seeing them together again. There is nothing about Dillon in tonight's episode unfortunately, but tomorrow should be good😊
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Post by justinate on Dec 20, 2023 9:00:09 GMT -5
Well, looks like Andre does not swing that way. I wish that means JJ might, but we all know the British soaps are running scared of depicting younger gay teens, even when played by older actors. First Emmerdale and now Oaks.
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Post by overtherainbow on Dec 22, 2023 1:54:55 GMT -5
Finally something is happening between them! (Well, almost anyway). Hopefully this will be the start of the gay storyline. I feel like I've been waiting forever. There is no possible way to misinterpret that almost kiss and the looks they exchanged.
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Post by justinate on Dec 22, 2023 3:35:13 GMT -5
I don't think they can run away from the pairing - the backlash would be swift. But what will we actually see? And I really hope they don't think Lucas's issues are going to magically wave away the multiple times now that he's injured or bullied Dillon. And no, what James is doing isn't part of it because Lucas started on this path long before James started in on him.
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Post by overtherainbow on Dec 24, 2023 7:21:49 GMT -5
They didn't get many scenes together in the new episodes (very typical, they always get little screen time). But the little we did get was good. I guess I should be glad for the breadcrumbs, lol.
Aftermath of drunk Lucas:
I liked their exchanging of looks here, though I wish they would have talked about what happened between them: [/video]
Lucas's face when Ste says "just be glad you're not gay":
Lucas's face when Leah mentions Dillon (why didn't Lucas go to the NYE party? Such a lost opportunity imo!)
Dillon rejecting Leah (this was good at least!)
I love how protective Dillon is of Lucas (he clearly has feelings for him imo) and how jealous Lucas is (this is why "your brother has no idea who or what he wants" is so funny😂):
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Post by overtherainbow on Dec 26, 2023 9:34:31 GMT -5
Do we think this might be about Dillon and Lucas?
A teen finally put themselves out there, but is left humiliated.
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Post by justinate on Jan 2, 2024 11:10:08 GMT -5
New Year trailer - first time they're having multiple scenes hinting at a Lullon story, as well as some drama for Ste - it looks like Leah is injured?
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Post by overtherainbow on Jan 2, 2024 11:32:55 GMT -5
Finally Lucas and Dillon are happening! I really hope Leah is ok though. I actually like her.
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Post by hfolk on Jan 5, 2024 14:48:54 GMT -5
so Romeo killed Rayne in self defense...who the hell cares?
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Post by justinate on Jan 6, 2024 2:02:47 GMT -5
so Romeo killed Rayne in self defense...who the hell cares? Yeah I don't get it either - is he supposed to be a sociopath? He put on a great act when her body was discovered, and then he let other people be suspected, including his "best friend" Prince who has wound up in prison, when he could easily have pleaded self-defense. Apparently Owen Warner has gotten a gig so this may well be a hasty rewrite to facilitate his exit - Romeo either going on the run, imprisoned, or killed off (hopefully not the latter for James's sake).
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