|
Post by justinate on Sept 15, 2023 7:48:35 GMT -5
Seems to be a continuing mass exodus but for once they aren't being killed off - except for Rayne, who will be murdered during the hour-long special, sparking a whodunnit. The cast pic for the special shows how heavily slanted towards women that age group has become - nearly double the number of men.
I don't know what's going on with the Lucas/Dillon story but the pacing is absolutely abysmal and if they're genuinely hoping to capture a youth audience it is the polar opposite of what they should be doing. It's really sad that the most progressive, youth-oriented soap is seemingly terrified of moving ahead with a gay teen romance just because the characters (not even the actors) are in the mid-teens?
|
|
|
Post by justinate on Sept 19, 2023 11:28:10 GMT -5
Autumn trailer. Still no Dillon/Lucas. I worry they have dropped the storyline.
|
|
blake
Junior Member
Posts: 793
|
Post by blake on Sept 21, 2023 19:00:50 GMT -5
Hollyoaks confirms devastating conversion therapy story.
|
|
|
Post by Jamie1690 on Sept 21, 2023 21:37:07 GMT -5
Lucas will also be involved as he battles his growing attraction to Dillon. No Heartstopper lite here!
|
|
dmagiclight
Full Member
OPEN YOUR MIND AND ANY THING IS CAN HAPPEN
Posts: 1,659
|
Post by dmagiclight on Sept 22, 2023 11:53:23 GMT -5
anyone have the YouTube link for the show
|
|
|
Post by jjose712 on Sept 22, 2023 13:42:48 GMT -5
Isn't it a little too late to do a conversion therapy story with John Paul who is an out gay man for more than 15 years?
|
|
hfolk
Junior Member
Posts: 649
|
Post by hfolk on Sept 22, 2023 14:43:37 GMT -5
Isn't it a little too late to do a conversion therapy story with John Paul who is an out gay man for more than 15 years? you'd think
|
|
angel
Junior Member
Posts: 390
|
Post by angel on Sept 22, 2023 15:59:55 GMT -5
Is it not forbidden in the UK, too nowadays? In many countries in the EU, for example France and Germany it is forbidden. And other countries thinks about a law, to forbidden this therapies for example Austria. How is the situation in the UK?
But I think also it is a bit to late, realistically for John Paul. But Hollyhoaks loves and likes Drama over Drama, no matter how unrealistic it is.
|
|
|
Post by jjose712 on Sept 23, 2023 13:40:06 GMT -5
Conversion therapy is generally used on minors (the parents are the ones that force them into) and when an adult look for conversion therapy there are generally religious beliefs behind, he wnats to congraciate with his family or he has problems to accept he is homosexual. John Paul doesn't fit any of those circumstances.
If they wanted a dark storyline to John Paul they could do an abusive relationship, of course they tried that and after building it for months they ended it quickly without going nowhere
|
|
hfolk
Junior Member
Posts: 649
|
Post by hfolk on Sept 23, 2023 16:14:25 GMT -5
Conversion therapy is generally used on minors (the parents are the ones that force them into) and when an adult look for conversion therapy there are generally religious beliefs behind, he wnats to congraciate with his family or he has problems to accept he is homosexual. John Paul doesn't fit any of those circumstances. If they wanted a dark storyline to John Paul they could do an abusive relationship, of course they tried that and after building it for months they ended it quickly without going nowhere JP just got out of an abusive relationship with PC Kiss
|
|
|
Post by mrfixit477 on Sept 24, 2023 3:17:26 GMT -5
Ok let's turn back time who should John Paul have another baby with if they do go all the way with this story. I don't know what they may do with Dillon and Lucas?
|
|
angel
Junior Member
Posts: 390
|
Post by angel on Sept 24, 2023 5:23:06 GMT -5
Conversion therapy is generally used on minors (the parents are the ones that force them into) and when an adult look for conversion therapy there are generally religious beliefs behind, he wnats to congraciate with his family or he has problems to accept he is homosexual. John Paul doesn't fit any of those circumstances. Exactly. He doesn't fit into this kind of story. He is to much proud to be Gay and to much established to be Gay, I think also if he surprisingly finds a new way to god, it would unrealistic, come on, he was with a priest in the past. It looks like the Ideas gets out, for him, from the writers. Why must it be allways around clichés gay drama? Especially if it is totally unrealistic. Why not more natural problems, drama, like health, early mid-life crisis, or financial, job dramas. In this cases, there is enough room, for the world around the story which maybe a straight one, would not go. For example by financial drama, you can go the route, maybe to get a bit money, to prostitute yourself, maybe only once a month or ever two months, also with the classic Sex Apps. I know surprisingly, since the inflation, that some people goes this way, why should not compare Fun, with some extra money and without tax. Or why not a sugardaddy route. This Idea comes, because I get currently advertising for the site mygaysugardaddy, but I think of my self I am to young to be a sugardaddy.
|
|
blake
Junior Member
Posts: 793
|
Post by blake on Sept 24, 2023 9:26:23 GMT -5
I'm gonna play Devil's advocate here. I get why people are saying why are they choosing John Paul for this conversion therapy storyline when he's in adult hood and perfectly happy with himself? But I will tell you it makes sense to me and let me explain. I personally don't think that John Paul has properly gotten over the trauma he experienced at the hands of Geroge. I mean Geroge really broke John Paul down mentally, emotionally, and physically and John Paul is so vulnerable now that Carter sees a perfect opportunity to get to John Paul. I will say that the one constant source that kept John Paul grounded in some ways was Matthew his son. Now, he's gone I will also be honest I can see this also being an exit storyline for John Paul after this storyline is finished. I can see John Paul packing his bags after everything he's been through since returning in late 2019 to the village I can see him saying I've had enough of this village and going to live with Matthew in Alicante. I'm also curious too see how this storyline could affect this will have on Ste and John Paul's friendship. Let me explain I know that spoilers say Ste will discover that Carter is brainwashing and grooming John Paul and Lucas after all is said and done. Will Ste's emotions get the better of him and blame John Paul for introducing Lucas to Carter and the same for Misbah cause Dillion is supposed to get heavily involved in this storyline will she be upset with John Paul as well? This is gonna be a interesting storyline for the next year.
|
|
|
Post by jjose712 on Sept 25, 2023 13:38:09 GMT -5
Conversion therapy is generally used on minors (the parents are the ones that force them into) and when an adult look for conversion therapy there are generally religious beliefs behind, he wnats to congraciate with his family or he has problems to accept he is homosexual. John Paul doesn't fit any of those circumstances. If they wanted a dark storyline to John Paul they could do an abusive relationship, of course they tried that and after building it for months they ended it quickly without going nowhere JP just got out of an abusive relationship with PC Kiss That was a total waste of a stoyline. They build up and then they rushed an end
|
|
hfolk
Junior Member
Posts: 649
|
Post by hfolk on Sept 25, 2023 13:39:48 GMT -5
JP just got out of an abusive relationship with PC Kiss That was a total waste of a stoyline. They build up and then they rushed an end DIdn't the actor leave before they were ready?
|
|
blake
Junior Member
Posts: 793
|
Post by blake on Sept 25, 2023 17:42:04 GMT -5
That was a total waste of a stoyline. They build up and then they rushed an end DIdn't the actor leave before they were ready? It's true when the show was coming back into production from the pandemic Callum Kerr (George) requested a meeting with at the time executive producer Bryan Kirkwood and told him that he wanted to leave that he wasn't filling fulfilled and was planning on moving here to Nashville to pursue a Country music singing career. So, the writers decided to kill him off early cause from my understanding that storyline was gonna go for another 6 months. But because Callum was fixing to relocate here to the States they had to quickly wrap that storyline up.
|
|
|
Post by overtherainbow on Sept 30, 2023 0:38:22 GMT -5
I'm torn about these spoilers. On the one hand a gay conversion storyline is not on the top of my list of what I want to see, and how John Paul is part of this with his age makes no sense. On the other hand, at least this will make the gay storyline move forward and progress. Something will finally happen. It's been about 6 months since Lucas was introduced. It's about damn time his gay storyline starts. The conversion storyline can be good if done well.
|
|
blake
Junior Member
Posts: 793
|
Post by blake on Sept 30, 2023 10:01:24 GMT -5
Kieron Richardson says that Ste will go through a major live changing event in January that will change his life and the life of others.
|
|
carld2
Full Member
Posts: 2,108
|
Post by carld2 on Oct 1, 2023 17:14:05 GMT -5
Ste misery woe AND John Paul misery woe. What a treat. I know I'm tuning back in!!!
|
|
blake
Junior Member
Posts: 793
|
Post by blake on Oct 2, 2023 15:48:04 GMT -5
I wanna get excited for Ste's new storyline but in all honesty I'm kinda scared too to be honest. Let me explain the new producers are only tempt producers until they find a permanent producer. so, who's to say that when they do find a new producer that they don't decide to come in and either change the direction of the storyline, or they wrap it quickly and put Ste into a new storyline. Cause I believe that these tempt producers have planned these new storylines to where the new producer can either change it, wrap it up, or just plain on scrapping it all together if they like.
|
|
|
Post by overtherainbow on Oct 19, 2023 2:14:02 GMT -5
I wanna get excited for Ste's new storyline but in all honesty I'm kinda scared too to be honest. Let me explain the new producers are only tempt producers until they find a permanent producer. so, who's to say that when they do find a new producer that they don't decide to come in and either change the direction of the storyline, or they wrap it quickly and put Ste into a new storyline. Cause I believe that these tempt producers have planned these new storylines to where the new producer can either change it, wrap it up, or just plain on scrapping it all together if they like. Hopefully they won't scrap the Lucas and Dillon gay storyline though. I am worried, because an article said Lucas would be involved in Dillon's coming out storyline summer 2023. Well, summer 2023 came and went. We are now in October and they still get very little screen time, like once a month. I'm scared the new producers might scrap the gay storyline all together. It's weird nothing has played out like planned (so far anyway).
|
|
|
Post by justinate on Oct 19, 2023 2:21:20 GMT -5
I wanna get excited for Ste's new storyline but in all honesty I'm kinda scared too to be honest. Let me explain the new producers are only tempt producers until they find a permanent producer. so, who's to say that when they do find a new producer that they don't decide to come in and either change the direction of the storyline, or they wrap it quickly and put Ste into a new storyline. Cause I believe that these tempt producers have planned these new storylines to where the new producer can either change it, wrap it up, or just plain on scrapping it all together if they like. Hopefully they won't scrap the Lucas and Dillon gay storyline though. I am worried, because an article said Lucas would be involved in Dillon's coming out storyline summer 2023. Well, summer 2023 came and went. We are now in October and they still get very little screen time, like once a month. I'm scared the new producers might scrap the gay storyline all together. It's weird nothing has played out like planned (so far anyway). Yeah I have the same concern. They've totally lost momentum on Lucas/Dillon and Dillon barely appears. If there were any casual viewers who read those articles promoting the pairing and tuned in, they would have tuned back out by now. And I really question the decision to throw a misery storyline at them. So they look at the success of Heartstopper and decide they're going to ride the wave ... by having a self-loathing gay teen go through conversion therapy, along with a rape and gay-bashing victim.
|
|
|
Post by justinate on Nov 24, 2023 8:47:55 GMT -5
No idea if this will lead anywhere, so I'll post it here instead of Spoilers Only. David Joshua-Anthony will join the cast on December 6th as Vicky's long-lost brother, Andre. Notably, he will befriend Dillon and end up staying with the Maaliks due to his troubled home life. I'm happy to see Dillon in a spoiler but disappointed that once again he's playing a supporting character. www.digitalspy.com/soaps/hollyoaks/a45935655/hollyoaks-vicky-grant-brother-new-storyline/One month after that, the teen cast will be beefed up further with the addition of Darren's twin children, JJ and Frankie. The characters were born 13 years ago next January so should only just be entering their teens, but they've obviously been aged up rapidly - more blatantly than Lucas - so one wonders what stories they are destined for. Ryan Mulvey who will play JJ said: "I'm buzzing to join the cast of the Osborne family. JJ is charismatic, sporty and a proper mummy's boy who knows exactly how to get what he wants." "Mummy's boy" is not the usual "ladies' man" that's bandied about whenever a young male is introduced, so I did side-eye that. It'd be nice if either Andre or JJ were to bat for our team and give Lucas some competition for Dillon's affections - it should NOT be easy after everything Lucas keeps putting Dillon through, first falsely accusing him of being a thief (when Lucas was the real thief) and next week he'll be accusing Dillon of bullying him. www.digitalspy.com/soaps/hollyoaks/a45930219/hollyoaks-spoilers-darren-osborne-twins-jack-junior-frankie/I did roll my eyes at Darren's son being nicknamed JJ; they've clearly forgotten (or chosen to ignore) that Darren already has a nephew named JJ.
|
|
|
Post by justinate on Nov 28, 2023 9:20:32 GMT -5
The tiniest hint of Dillon/Lucas in the winter trailer (see Spoilers Only thread).
|
|
|
Post by overtherainbow on Dec 7, 2023 14:17:09 GMT -5
Glad the gay storyline has finally started.
|
|