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Post by GTSTfanMark on Dec 13, 2014 20:05:47 GMT -5
Part 624Episode 4938: Noud tells Janine about what’s been going on with Lucas and Menno.Part 625Episode 4939: Lucas tells Noud about Menno’s deepest secret.Part 626Episode 4940: Nina, Noud and Janine take action. Together with Lucas they confront Menno.Part 627Episode 4941: Noud takes Lucas to the hospital.Part 628Episode 4942: Menno tries to convince Lucas he’s going to change.Part 629Episode 4943: Lucas is afraid his marriage is over.More episodes tomorrow! I have three more translated episodes ready but I'm going to sleep now. Plus, I'm going to translate even more tomorrow.
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Post by jjose712 on Dec 14, 2014 8:13:15 GMT -5
I suppose Lucas will appear again soon. Poor guy, with his bad luck he will develop a stockholm syndrome for his kidnapper
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Post by GTSTfanMark on Dec 14, 2014 8:50:26 GMT -5
Part 630Episode 4946: Lucas, Noud, Wiet and Rikki visit the cast of Jersey Boys.Part 631Episode 4947: Lucas and Janine hear something shocking from Bianca.Part 632Episode 4949: Lucas and Bing are suddenly face to face with Tim.Part 633Episode 4950: An encounter between Lucas and Menno gets out of hand right away.More to follow tonight!
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Post by GTSTfanMark on Dec 14, 2014 8:57:05 GMT -5
I suppose Lucas will appear again soon. Poor guy, with his bad luck he will develop a stockholm syndrome for his kidnapper It's a soap opera so everything is possible... And we've seen some cousin love between Nina and Vincent, but Lucas' kidnapper is Nick Sanders (Ludo's son). I've actually been wondering if something might develop between Lucas and Leon. Leon works for Ludo and has been trying to find Lucas. He's played by Luca Savazzi:
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Post by francescavl on Dec 14, 2014 11:37:09 GMT -5
I kind of like having the forum all to myself. Nobody to contradict my opinions. Not that they could be contradicted because I am always right about everything. Just wait until Edwin comes back from the dead. You'll see! Hehe!! I've lost all interest, unfortunately. The direction this story has taken has been really disappointing for me. Of course, I greatly appreciate Mark's work, and I WILL watch all the remaining episodes... but I have to be in the right frame of mind. I'm sure one of these days it will happen and I'll marathon all the clips in one go!
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Post by GTSTfanMark on Dec 14, 2014 13:07:25 GMT -5
You could also step back in later at part 642. That's when Lucas comes back from New York. A fresh new story. Of course more drama with the kidnapping but it's a soap opera. Personally I wasn't happy with the direction either. But I have to say the execution of the story has been phenomenal. Great performances, good writing and the Lucas/Noud friendship that took center stage. The last scene of part 626 still gives me chills. The music, the performance... everything. So despite everything, I think the show handled this in a good way. I'm curious what effects the kidnapping will have on Lucas. Should be interesting.
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Post by chase33 on Dec 14, 2014 14:57:30 GMT -5
Thanks for all of the uploads Mark! I am jut at part 610 and was wondering what happened between Nina and Lorena? I'm trying not to read other posts so I don't get any spoilers, so if you have already answered that I apologize. BTW who is Roel - a friend of Menno's?
And poor Tim! It seems like for a main character something always makes him disappear for a long time. Have they found him yet?
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Post by GTSTfanMark on Dec 14, 2014 16:09:58 GMT -5
There was something about Lorena stealing money and leaving the country... I didn't pay much attention to that story when it aired. Roel is Menno's brother. Yes, Tim is back. He also appears in later episodes I already uploaded.
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Post by crowie on Dec 14, 2014 18:20:00 GMT -5
Just wanted to pop by and say thanks for uploading and translating the clips. I was way behind on the show and am having fun now going through the backlog.
I agree that the domestic abuse is not a storyline I would have gone with but the show is executing it really well and treating it seriously and with the respect it should have so it's pulling me in as a story and I'm really loving the Lucas and Noud friendship
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Post by GTSTfanMark on Dec 14, 2014 19:05:41 GMT -5
The last episodes of season 24. I expect I will be completely caught up tomorrow! Then I will have uploaded 42 episodes in about a week. Part 634Episode 4952: Lucas can’t stand it when Bing acts like the trial was no big deal.Part 635Episode 4953: Lucas and Ludo come to an agreement that is unpleasant for Bing.Part 636Episode 4954: When Lucas and Menno spend some time together to save their marriage they get interrupted.Part 637Episode 4956: Lucas takes a guy home.Part 638Episode 4957: Menno feels like he can’t control himself.Part 639Episode 4958: Menno has a shocking announcement for Lucas.Part 640Episode 4959: Lucas and Menno say goodbye to each other.
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Post by talula on Dec 14, 2014 19:07:44 GMT -5
I kind of like having the forum all to myself. Nobody to contradict my opinions. Not that they could be contradicted because I am always right about everything. Just wait until Edwin comes back from the dead. You'll see! Hehe!! I've lost all interest, unfortunately. The direction this story has taken has been really disappointing for me. Of course, I greatly appreciate Mark's work, and I WILL watch all the remaining episodes... but I have to be in the right frame of mind. I'm sure one of these days it will happen and I'll marathon all the clips in one go! same here, i lost interest after found out that Lucas and Menno' (i adored Menno) love story turned to another domestic abuse plot , yeah i know actors are great and acting was amazing but i just couldn't bring myself continue to watch this, so i dropped, but i still love Lucas and can't wait for new story for him. Thanks Mark for all your hard work,i hope when new story begins many of us who left, come back again on this board.
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Post by taversham on Dec 14, 2014 23:37:22 GMT -5
Thanks Mark for all the subtitled eps, it was great (if that's the right word...) to watch it again and fully understand everything. And it's amazing how quickly you've caught up with all the uploads, I'm very impressed.
I can see why the storyline might not be for everyone, but I thought it was really well-played and had a lot of merit. Though maybe I'm swayed by my Noud/Lucas-shipping tendency and the way their friendship shone through in the end. I liked that it all went very differently to other domestic abuse storylines I've seen on soaps (Brendan/Ste, Patrick/Maxine, Ste/Amy, Tony/Mandy, Trevor/Little Mo, etc.), in that both characters were kept pretty sympathetic and the love between them wasn't questioned, but ultimately that the relationship was still unhealthy.
(Though I hadn't realised when I watched the episodes individually how much they slag off Oberhausen...seeing it all together, they act like Menno wanted to move to North Korea or something XD )
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Post by francescavl on Dec 15, 2014 4:25:19 GMT -5
Hehe!! I've lost all interest, unfortunately. The direction this story has taken has been really disappointing for me. Of course, I greatly appreciate Mark's work, and I WILL watch all the remaining episodes... but I have to be in the right frame of mind. I'm sure one of these days it will happen and I'll marathon all the clips in one go! same here, i lost interest after found out that Lucas and Menno' (i adored Menno) love story turned to another domestic abuse plot , yeah i know actors are great and acting was amazing but i just couldn't bring myself continue to watch this, so i dropped, but i still love Lucas and can't wait for new story for him. Thanks Mark for all your hard work,i hope when new story begins many of us who left, come back again on this board. I have already watched the remaining storyline on the RTL site, even if I don't understand a word of Dutch. I could still understand what was going on, though, and yes, the acting is great, but the conclusion of the storyline also seemed really rushed to me. So I hope rewatching with the subtitles will make me appreciate it more (especially a few great scenes where I badly need to know the dialogue). It's still depressing though, cos I really loved Menno (more than Lucas) and I hate that turn for his character. Also, there's no reason he can't come back cured from Oberhausen, but I doubt the writers have any intention of revisiting the character... and that's the most frustrating part for me.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Dec 15, 2014 5:45:26 GMT -5
Thanks Mark for all the subtitled eps, it was great (if that's the right word...) to watch it again and fully understand everything. And it's amazing how quickly you've caught up with all the uploads, I'm very impressed. I can see why the storyline might not be for everyone, but I thought it was really well-played and had a lot of merit. Though maybe I'm swayed by my Noud/Lucas-shipping tendency and the way their friendship shone through in the end. I liked that it all went very differently to other domestic abuse storylines I've seen on soaps (Brendan/Ste, Patrick/Maxine, Ste/Amy, Tony/Mandy, Trevor/Little Mo, etc.), in that both characters were kept pretty sympathetic and the love between them wasn't questioned, but ultimately that the relationship was still unhealthy.(Though I hadn't realised when I watched the episodes individually how much they slag off Oberhausen...seeing it all together, they act like Menno wanted to move to North Korea or something XD ) I've only seen a couple of episodes and didn't comment, because I was very hesitant in how this storyline was going to be developed, due to the above examples from other soaps in regards to this serious topic. I know that some folks were saddened by the loss of the pairing, but if we as an audience could get shows and showrunners to keep focus on staying true to the reality of a difficult subject matter and not on "are we titillating the fans/making this particular 'ship' happy", we might be able to get more fully developed sagas for GLBT characters of this nature. The show and show runner has more respect for their audiences intelligence, along with their need to entertain us.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Dec 15, 2014 5:50:59 GMT -5
same here, i lost interest after found out that Lucas and Menno' (i adored Menno) love story turned to another domestic abuse plot , yeah i know actors are great and acting was amazing but i just couldn't bring myself continue to watch this, so i dropped, but i still love Lucas and can't wait for new story for him. Thanks Mark for all your hard work,i hope when new story begins many of us who left, come back again on this board. I have already watched the remaining storyline on the RTL site, even if I don't understand a word of Dutch. I could still understand what was going on, though, and yes, the acting is great, but the conclusion of the storyline also seemed really rushed to me. So I hope rewatching with the subtitles will make me appreciate it more (especially a few great scenes where I badly need to know the dialogue). It's still depressing though, cos I really loved Menno (more than Lucas) and I hate that turn for his character. Also, there's no reason he can't come back cured from Oberhausen, but I doubt the writers have any intention of revisiting the character... and that's the most frustrating part for me. Menno could certainly come back "cured" and it would be interesting to see how he could be integrated back into the soap. Yet, not at the risk of Lucas' character and his moving past the abuse that happened in their relationship. I enjoyed Menno, but not that much.
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Post by LadyArmand on Dec 15, 2014 9:20:11 GMT -5
What I really liked about this storyline was that it stayed true to itself. In that it didn't get marred down in fan service. The writers told the story they waned to tell which was how abuse can devastate a relationship even when the people love each other a great deal. Love does not conquer all nor does it fix broken people. What love does allow for in this case is the recognition of the amount of pain they were causing one another and to put what the other person needed ahead of what they themselves wanted. They wanted to stay together, but they needed to be apart because the relationship had devolved into something unhealthy foe either man. I loved Menno so I'm sorry he had to go. But after some of the other above mentioned abuse story lines, this was refreshing and very well told. It wasn't about how hot they looked together, it wasn't about pleasing a small but very vocal segment of the audience, it was about how looks can be deceiving in that from the outside looking in their relationship looked perfect, but once inside you saw the cracks. I also really liked how the writers told it from both sides in that it wasn't all about how Lucas' love was supposed to fix Menno, nor was it all about how Menno is this victim and therefore should be given a pass on his bad behavior. The rallying of Lucas' support system around both he and Menno was something you don't see in these stories in that Menno was not villainized to the point where everyone simply turned against him. They knew he loved Lucas and tried to get him help.
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Post by francescavl on Dec 15, 2014 9:28:37 GMT -5
I have already watched the remaining storyline on the RTL site, even if I don't understand a word of Dutch. I could still understand what was going on, though, and yes, the acting is great, but the conclusion of the storyline also seemed really rushed to me. So I hope rewatching with the subtitles will make me appreciate it more (especially a few great scenes where I badly need to know the dialogue). It's still depressing though, cos I really loved Menno (more than Lucas) and I hate that turn for his character. Also, there's no reason he can't come back cured from Oberhausen, but I doubt the writers have any intention of revisiting the character... and that's the most frustrating part for me. Menno could certainly come back "cured" and it would be interesting to see how he could be integrated back into the soap. Yet, not at the risk of Lucas' character and his moving past the abuse that happened in their relationship. I enjoyed Menno, but not that much. Well, if Menno managed to face his inner issues and resolve his anger/violence problems (for real), and were to ask his husband for a second chance and Lucas was willing to give it to him, I would be in favour. While awful, abuse is not always automatically a deal breaker for me, as I believe that the people who really wish for it and do all they can to fix themselves deserve a second chance just like everybody else. Menno is not an evil man, and he sincerely loved Lucas, but unfortunately he had deep, deep issues. It doesn't mean he is a lost cause, though. But since I know your stance on these things (I have been reading the board for YEARS), I know you'll disagree, and that's fair enough.
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Post by Hawthorne on Dec 15, 2014 14:21:27 GMT -5
Menno is a control freak. Look at the way he is still trying to control Lucas when they are sitting together at De Rozeblum in Part 636. Even if he develops a way to keep from becoming violent, he's still going to constantly be trying to make Lucas behave as orderly and as rationally as he does. But Lucas is impulsive and spontaneous. I think they're a very bad match and thought so from the beginning. They were just forced together for story purposes. Now that the story is over, I'm glad to see Menno go.
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Post by Hawthorne on Dec 15, 2014 14:34:18 GMT -5
What I really liked about this storyline was that it stayed true to itself. In that it didn't get marred down in fan service. The writers told the story they waned to tell which was how abuse can devastate a relationship even when the people love each other a great deal. Love does not conquer all nor does it fix broken people. What love does allow for in this case is the recognition of the amount of pain they were causing one another and to put what the other person needed ahead of what they themselves wanted. They wanted to stay together, but they needed to be apart because the relationship had devolved into something unhealthy foe either man. I loved Menno so I'm sorry he had to go. But after some of the other above mentioned abuse story lines, this was refreshing and very well told. It wasn't about how hot they looked together, it wasn't about pleasing a small but very vocal segment of the audience, it was about how looks can be deceiving in that from the outside looking in their relationship looked perfect, but once inside you saw the cracks. I also really liked how the writers told it from both sides in that it wasn't all about how Lucas' love was supposed to fix Menno, nor was it all about how Menno is this victim and therefore should be given a pass on his bad behavior. The rallying of Lucas' support system around both he and Menno was something you don't see in these stories in that Menno was not villainized to the point where everyone simply turned against him. They knew he loved Lucas and tried to get him help. Very nice analysis. I was also impressed by how they had Lucas' friends and family treat Menno. It was a very mature treatment of the subject.
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Post by anthonyl on Dec 15, 2014 14:46:09 GMT -5
I personally didn't and couldn't watch the story. Not just because I've seen enough stories about gay men in love beating each other, but Menno was my favorite character (as I said in last years Best and Worst for LOS) and I simply didn't want to see him go down that route, even if the story might have been well told. Sometimes enough is enough and too much is too much. I'll be back on board with the new season in hopes that Lucas' next boyfriend is neither a killer or an abuser. Well, Edwin wasn't, but I was never a fan of that romance. LOL....
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Post by taversham on Dec 15, 2014 16:40:26 GMT -5
[...]The rallying of Lucas' support system around both he and Menno was something you don't see in these stories in that Menno was not villainized to the point where everyone simply turned against him. They knew he loved Lucas and tried to get him help. Very nice analysis. I was also impressed by how they had Lucas' friends and family treat Menno. It was a very mature treatment of the subject. That was one aspect of the storyline that didn't entirely work for me to be honest - in principle I do think it was nice that Menno wasn't demonised or treated badly by Lucas' family (and friends), but really, they're meant to be the Sanders family. Even if I can believe that Janine would be understanding and forgiving (...which I'm not sure I can, given how much of a protective mama bear she can be), and that Nina could be at least persuaded to give Menno a chance (...still not 100% convinced), but that Maxime or especially Ludo would do nothing, even after Menno had put Lucas in hospital? There's no way, imo. Ludo has basically pushed people off cliffs for less than that, and he promised Stefano he'd look out for Lucas. It just seemed a bit OOC to me.
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Post by GTSTfanMark on Dec 15, 2014 17:46:45 GMT -5
Almost finished... Ten more episodes to go. Seven of them are already translated, but it's late already so I will upload everything tomorrow.
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Post by Zathras on Dec 15, 2014 21:14:08 GMT -5
Thanks, Mark! You do an awesome job! As to the discussion ... I'm honestly not looking forward to watching it. That may be part of the reason I'm so far behind (I've made some progress the last couple days!). I'm sure it was well done, but I hate abuse storylines.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Dec 16, 2014 5:31:20 GMT -5
Menno could certainly come back "cured" and it would be interesting to see how he could be integrated back into the soap. Yet, not at the risk of Lucas' character and his moving past the abuse that happened in their relationship. I enjoyed Menno, but not that much. Well, if Menno managed to face his inner issues and resolve his anger/violence problems (for real), and were to ask his husband for a second chance and Lucas was willing to give it to him, I would be in favour. While awful, abuse is not always automatically a deal breaker for me, as I believe that the people who really wish for it and do all they can to fix themselves deserve a second chance just like everybody else. Menno is not an evil man, and he sincerely loved Lucas, but unfortunately he had deep, deep issues. It doesn't mean he is a lost cause, though.But since I know your stance on these things (I have been reading the board for YEARS), I know you'll disagree, and that's fair enough. Of course, Menno isn't a "lost cause", but I wouldn't want to see him or Lucas trying to start up their relationship again, because as others have stated: their love wasn't ever in question. It was the realities of being together that caused their relationship to turn into a domestic violence situation. This is water underneath the bridge at this point (Thankfully!) Lucas will have another saga and romance for us to view.
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Post by jjose712 on Dec 16, 2014 7:08:11 GMT -5
I think they totally wasted a good character in Menno. They rushed the relationship too much, the marriage was a big mistake even without the domestic violence. Lucas is impulsive, but Menno was a grown up with a lot of experience, they had little in common, they barely started to date, obviously it was more wrong than expected, but it was clear that it was not going to end well anyway.
I wouldn't mind Menno on the show again, but i'm not that sure that i want him with Lucas. Frankly, Lucas was treated so bad by most of the men in his life that it would be good for a chance if his new love interest treat him well. Ferry has very good comedy skills and it will be great if the use them more
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