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Post by HQ75 on Jul 2, 2009 15:38:50 GMT -5
In my experience any guy could be gay (regardless of how they act or what their sexual history has been) so while I would love for it to be Dex (because I already adore him), It would be cool if it was a total surprise.
I think men who are closeted (especially if they are bi) can be very good at hiding and denying any attraction they may feel for men.
Most people only see what they want to see so unless a guy does something that people perceive to be "suspicious" when it comes to sexual orientation, no one every really looks that hard.
However, I'm a lesbian and I've been in many situations with straight women where it was clear that they were flirting with me or crushed on me without even knowing it themselves and I've definitely seen it happen with men who are known to be and think of themselves as straight.
I'm not saying every man is secretly gay or bi but I do think there are a lot more men who are either closeted or in denial about attraction to other men than we normally would like to believe.
Every gay guy I know who is around my age has slept with women (sometimes lots of women) particularly in college and most of them now are like completely uninterested in women sexually (not that they every really were).
Some of the most "horndog" kinds of guys I went to high school with turned out to be bi later in life.
I love that Lucas flirts with Dex and isn't repressed about his sexuality and doesn't feel the need to be "careful" around a straight guy. It's just completely normalizing and natural and I think that is so awesome.
As for the joking around with the purses, I thought it was funny. Lots of actual gay guys love fashion and some are very flamey and campy about it and it's just one more beautiful color in the gay rainbow far as I'm concerned.
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Post by cheerios on Jul 3, 2009 2:31:47 GMT -5
In my experience any guy could be gay (regardless of how they act or what their sexual history has been) so while I would love for it to be Dex (because I already adore him), It would be cool if it was a total surprise. I think men who are closeted (especially if they are bi) can be very good at hiding and denying any attraction they may feel for men. Most people only see what they want to see so unless a guy does something that people perceive to be "suspicious" when it comes to sexual orientation, no one every really looks that hard. However, I'm a lesbian and I've been in many situations with straight women where it was clear that they were flirting with me or crushed on me without even knowing it themselves and I've definitely seen it happen with men who are known to be and think of themselves as straight. I'm not saying every man is secretly gay or bi but I do think there are a lot more men who are either closeted or in denial about attraction to other men than we normally would like to believe. Every gay guy I know who is around my age has slept with women (sometimes lots of women) particularly in college and most of them now are like completely uninterested in women sexually (not that they every really were). Some of the most "horndog" kinds of guys I went to high school with turned out to be bi later in life. I love that Lucas flirts with Dex and isn't repressed about his sexuality and doesn't feel the need to be "careful" around a straight guy. It's just completely normalizing and natural and I think that is so awesome. As for the joking around with the purses, I thought it was funny. Lots of actual gay guys love fashion and some are very flamey and campy about it and it's just one more beautiful color in the gay rainbow far as I'm concerned. I'm a bisexual female, and I've gotten pretty good at picking up on the vibes people put out. Many guys I have come across, have it in them to like boys as much as girls. Or just to like boys. But a lot of them are haven't realized it yet or are too scared to make that leap. A lot of guys are 90% straight, but have that 10% in them of the chance of wondering what it is like on the other side. I have found that girls are more comfortable being flexible with the sexuality than boys are. And they are more comfortable being in love with who ever makes them happiest, doesn't matter the sex of the person. Being in love is being in love with the soul of the person not their gender. Too many people get hung up on labels and genders. Love is love. Many of my gay guy friends have had sex with girls too. But they just happen to prefer it with guys. They said the sex with girls wasn't that bad, and they might do it again if they fell in love or was really drunk. But for the most part they will be sticking with guys. I'm very new to the show so I'm curious to how Lucinda from ASWT ended up on this show. If they pick Dex to be paired romantically with Lucas. I think he will either be bi or just be interested in Lucas. For the show regular watchers, anyone else you could see being paired with Lucas? I do love how strong in self worth and self confidence Lucas has in himself. He hit on a boy and got shot down, but it was like water off a duck's back. Lucas is going to be himself no matter what and he won't change who he is just to settle some nerves of others.
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Post by harmonium on Jul 3, 2009 2:38:52 GMT -5
I do love how strong in self worth and self confidence Lucas has in himself. He hit on a boy and got shot down, but it was like water off a duck's back. Lucas is going to be himself no matter what and he won't change who he is just to settle some nerves of others. He is very comfortable in his own skin which is a good thing. Another way to show a positive gay figure in a TV show. I think he got this very fun and easy-going personality, that I believe people around him will just look pass his sexual preference and realize he is a nice guy to be with. Can't wait to see what's going to happen to him in the future. Hopefullly some interesting love story coming up for him.
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Post by GTSTfanMark on Jul 3, 2009 4:29:52 GMT -5
I'm very new to the show so I'm curious to how Lucinda from ASWT ended up on this show. Of course it's not Lucinda here, but Sair. Elizabeth Hubbard visits the Netherlands a lot. She has a Dutch boyfriend. During one of those visits she was also a guest on a talkshow. The people from GTST contacted her and asked her to do a guest stint (GTST executive producer Kennard Bos is a fan of Elizabeth/Lucinda). If they pick Dex to be paired romantically with Lucas. I think he will either be bi or just be interested in Lucas. For the show regular watchers, anyone else you could see being paired with Lucas? No, I think Dex is the only option. Maybe it's realistic in real life for some of the others to discover they're bi/gay, but I'm not sure the audience would accept that. I think they would with Dex who has only been on the show since May 2008 and even though he had a relationship with a girl (the female model), to me it was clear he was not in love with her. I do love how strong in self worth and self confidence Lucas has in himself. He hit on a boy and got shot down, but it was like water off a duck's back. Lucas is going to be himself no matter what and he won't change who he is just to settle some nerves of others. That's what I love about Lucas too. He's so confident. It's great to see that. So tonight is the last episode of the season. I don't think we'll get to see Lucas. Last year they did show a few scenes from the first week of the next season, so maybe we'll get a small Lucas preview.
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Post by HQ75 on Jul 3, 2009 6:42:02 GMT -5
First of all, Thank You So Much. This show is so fun. The acting and direction is so natural and smooth. I'm really excited to get to know these characters better.
Sair Rocks!
The chemistry between her and Dex's mother is perfect. I'm so excited to see Elizabeth Hubbard on this show because she has been SOOOO wasted in Luke's storylines which is so ridiculous because she is like THE PERFECT grandmother for any gay guy. Totally open, sex positive, current and fun. Maybe Elizabeth could do both parts and just split her year between the two shows!!
Dex and Lucas are already (in my mind) the perfect "opposites attract" couple. I can see Lucas lovingly scandalizing poor nervous Dex for years to come.
Can't wait for the new season.
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Post by GTSTfanMark on Jul 3, 2009 13:15:10 GMT -5
I'm watching the last episode of the season right now. Lucas is on! It's in a supporting role (he didn't have a lot of lines so far), but it's still great to see him.
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Post by cheerios on Jul 3, 2009 13:31:45 GMT -5
Yeah I love how Lucas is a positive gay teenager on TV show. He's not some stereotype or some character that's only there to support his straight sister and have no life of his own. He's so full of life and personality when in my experience many soap characters are two dimensional wooden.
I love Sair, I think Lucinda is wasted as well on ASWT. But she's has such great interaction with the actors playing her family. I would love to see a scene of her meeting Lucas, now that would be fun.
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Post by GTSTfanMark on Jul 3, 2009 15:46:21 GMT -5
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Post by rp662 on Jul 3, 2009 15:59:09 GMT -5
Does someone know when the new season will start? I live in the U.S. and the soap does not air over here?
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Post by GTSTfanMark on Jul 3, 2009 16:12:24 GMT -5
Season 20 starts on September 7.
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Post by GTSTfanMark on Jul 3, 2009 16:50:11 GMT -5
Another Dutch viewer (who uses the nickname Tom88) made an episode count of season 19. Of course Lucas is at the bottom with 3 episodes, but it's interesting to see that Lucas' mother and half-sister are #1 and #2. I hope that means we'll get a lot of Lucas next season (three episodes this week was already great).
Episode Count Season 19 (2008-2009) – 225
1. Janine Elschot (Caroline de Bruijn) – 146 2. Nina Sanders (Marly van der Velden) – 127 3. Ludo Sanders (Erik de Vogel) – 127 4. Charlie Fischer (Lieke van Lexmond) – 123 5. Sjors Langeveld (Inge Schrama) – 120 6. Bing Mauricius (Everon Jackson Hooi) – 119 7. Ronja Huygens (Alexandra Alphenaar) – 117 8. Barbara Fischer (Charlotte Besijn) – 116 9. Dex Huygens (Emiel Sandtke) – 113 10. Nick Sanders (Christophe Haddad) – 112 11. Noud Alberts (Ruud Feltkamp) – 111 12. Rik de Jong (Ferri Somogyi) – 110 13. Lorena Gonzalez (Gigi Ravelli) – 109 14. Maxime Sanders (Marjolein Keuning) – 107 15. Laura Selmhorst (Jette van der Meij) – 106 16. Vicky Pouw (Liza Sips) – 103 17. Jef Alberts (Bartho Braat) – 101 18. Martijn Huygens (Peter Post) – 99 19. Jack van Houten (Mark van Eeuwen) – 98 20. Irene Huygens (Anita Donk) – 98 21. Danny de Jong (Jan Kooijman) – 62 22. Anita Dendermonde (Sabine Koning) – 55 23. Floris van Wickenrode (Ruben Lürsen) – 48 24. Dorothea Grantsaan (Chris Comvalius) – 39 25. René Meijer (Rosoe Leijen) – 38 26. Anna den Hartog (Sofie Mentens) – 32 27. Rosa Gonzalez (Elly de Graaf) – 26 28. Daniël van Zanten (Rens Ciggaar) – 26 29. Valentijn Sanders (Ricardo Worp & Patrick Worp) – 26 30. Willem Hooft (Cees Gerdes) – 23 31. Naomi van Zanten (Mariëlle Kneefel) – 23 32. Rikki de Jong (Amber Brantjes) – 20 33. Josephine van Wickenrode (Willeke Alberti) – 17 34. Dennis Alberts (Koert-Jan de Bruijn) – 17 35. Receptioniste Sophie (Jennifer Bouwmeester) – 17 36. Van Manen (Thomas de Bres) – 14 37. Huibert Rem (Emile Jansen) – 13 38. Lies de Weerdt (Annette Barlo) – 13 39. Stanley Mauricius (Kenneth Herdigein) – 11 40. Bas Nicolai (Chris Tates) – 9 41. Nico de Bruin (Ernst Dekkers) – 9 42. Detective Landstra (Michael Kroegman) – 9 43. Rechter (Chiara Tissen) – 9 44. Jurist Van Delft (Christo van Klaveren) – 8 45. Secretaresse Pien (Christianne van Doornum) – 7 46. Frederik Waals (René van Kooten) – 7 47. Petra van Driestraten (Fabienne Meershoek) – 7 48. Sil Selmhorst (Kjeld Daan Visser) – 6 49. Stefano Sanders (Bas Muijs) – 6 50. Kapper Carlo (Fahd Larhzaoui) – 6 51. Merle (Mareille Labohm) – 5 52. Eileen Schönberg (Pieternel Pouwels) – 5 53. Jesse de Miranda (Stefan de Kogel) – 4 54. Barman Marcel (Bart Peereboom) - 3 55. Gilbert Brouwer (Juri Klaric) – 3 56. Lucas Sanders (Ferry Doedens) – 3 57. JJ van Houten (Duncan den Oudsten) – 2 58. Secretaresse Merel (Carolina Blok) – 2 59. Sair Poindexter (Elizabeth Hubbard) – 1
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Post by tihkon2 on Jul 3, 2009 17:25:51 GMT -5
Thanks for the clip Mark!
Lukas is such a flirt! I thought it was hilarious when his mom asked him to give his sister a kiss for her, and he looks at his mom's boyfriend and asks if she'll give him a kiss from him! LOL! ;D
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Post by cheerios on Jul 3, 2009 19:53:14 GMT -5
I just started watching this storyline, can someone please explain to me Lucas's family? I know he was in New York with his dad, what is that situation?
I'm glad we don't have to wait long to see what happens next. The way this summer is flying by September should be here soon.
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Post by HQ75 on Jul 3, 2009 20:22:59 GMT -5
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Post by GTSTfanMark on Jul 4, 2009 6:25:06 GMT -5
Emiel Sandtke (Dex) was a candidate on Dancing with the Stars this season. Unfortunately he was voted off the show in the first episode. During the finale on July 3rd he danced a small part of his dance from that first episode:
And I decided to post this video too:
It's the cliffhanger of season 19. It involves Nick and Maxime, two of Lucas' family members so it's possible he's involved in the aftermath next season.
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Post by justinate on Jul 4, 2009 9:46:19 GMT -5
Thanks for the latest clips. Lucas: "Will you kiss Jack for me?" is indeed a cute double-entendre.
I hope you don't mind, Mark, but I have a few questions:
1) I notice there is a character who made two appearances this season, JJ van Houten ... Jack Jr by any chance? Who else is there in Jack's family?
2) As for the cliffhanger, so Nick strangled his own aunt? Why were they fighting anyway?
3) Who was the blonde woman with Ludo? I'm guessing he is still hung up over true love Janine from the jealous glances he kept giving Jack with his hand on her.
Please feel free to answer at your leisure. And once again, many thanks!
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Post by HQ75 on Jul 4, 2009 10:05:05 GMT -5
This is why all women should take self defense classes. Maxine was bigger than Nick she should have been able to take him down without even breaking a nail. Damn...
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Post by GTSTfanMark on Jul 4, 2009 10:14:05 GMT -5
Maxime is Ludo's long lost sister and was welcomed in the family by Ludo and Nina with open arms in October/November. Nick never trusted her. Ludo dislikes (maybe even hates) his son Nick which was more reason for Nick to hate Maxime since she was welcome in the family. Because like Maxime, Nick joined the family later in his life. Because Nick hated Maxime so much, she started to fight back by manipulating the people around Nick against him. Like the mother (Charlie) of his son Valentijn. She manipulated her so that she contacted child protective service. Valentijn had some bruises because he fell down the stairs, but Maxime made Charlie believe Nick might be abusive. When Nick found out that Maxime might've been the one that made Charlie decide to call child protective service, he was furious and that's where this scene happened. I don't know if it's clear, but this story has been slowly developing since Maxime debuted on the show. For me it makes sense that they hate each other and that Nick is going crazy over it. But maybe it's a little harder to understand for new viewers? JJ van Houten is actually Valentijn. Charlie and Nick had their son Valentijn together, but they broke up and she and Jack had a relationship. Jack and Nick hate each other too and Jack didn't like it that he was still in his and Charlie's life because of Valentijn. They got in a car accident. Valentijn was with the babysitter, but Jack made Nick believe Valentijn was with them in the car and had died (the car exploded). Charlie ended up in a coma and felt like it was too late to tell Nick the truth when she woke up. They pretended that Valentijn was a child they adopted from a friend of Jack who died. They called him indeed Jack Junior. This was not long after Valentijn was born and since Nick had been kidnapped before the birth he never really knew what his son looked like. He's listed here as JJ van Houten because that was the name they used when this child actor was playing him. During last year's cliffhanger the truth came out so they started calling him Valentijn again after those two appearances. LOL, Jack seems nice, but he's not all good guy. But how is that even possible since his father was one of the biggest villains on the show? But his father is dead now. Killed off in the 1000th episode. Jack's sister is on the show: Sjors (who used to be Lucas' babysitter). They have the same father, different mothers. Funny detail is that Sjors' mother is the biggest female villain the show ever had. She's not dead as far as we know, but she disappeared. The blonde woman with Ludo is Lies, Nina's physical therapist. They actually ended up having sex after Jack, Janine and Lucas left.
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Post by GTSTfanMark on Jul 4, 2009 10:34:48 GMT -5
This is why all women should take self defense classes. Maxine was bigger than Nick she should have been able to take him down without even breaking a nail. Damn... Well, it looked like she was trying to defend herself but then they lost balance and fell into the water. It's probably not as easy to use self defense in the water. But I'm not a self defense expert so what do I know? ;D
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Post by HQ75 on Jul 4, 2009 13:39:02 GMT -5
No of course you're right. It wasn't a fair fight in the water (and knowing more about the story now I have less sympathy for Maxine) but I think it was because she was fight back and she looked so strong that I was kinda hoping she'd turn the tables on him
Sometimes it's just hard to watch women get strangled to death because it's such a common thing in shows you know?
But the direction and choreography of the scene was great.
I guess it's possible that she's just faking it so he'd think she was dead and let go (you know, the old, "go limp" routine)
It was exciting to watch. I'm really glad you included it.
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Post by GTSTfanMark on Jul 4, 2009 13:57:59 GMT -5
I know Maxime isn't the most sympathetic character but I still love her. I have a weakness for soap bitches. And that she's played by the awesome Marjolein Keuning helps too. And besides, Nick isn't a sweet guy either. He raped Jack's sister Sjors (that's why Jack hates Nick) and he also sent a hitman after Jack. If I had to pick sides I might pick Maxime's side, LOL! ;D
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Post by justinate on Jul 5, 2009 7:22:16 GMT -5
Thanks for the reply, Mark. Some very soapy storylines there. Indeed, considering the genre we are talking about, I shouldn't have been surprised to find my first question linking into the second, via JJ/Valentijn.
I also read that a potential spoiler on Wikipedia that the actor playing Nick leaves in 2009, but Maxime is staying on. Of course this is Wikipedia so accuracy is subject to doubt, but does this spell out the outcome of the cliffhanger?
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Post by GTSTfanMark on Jul 5, 2009 7:28:43 GMT -5
That info is correct.
The actor playing Nick will only appear during the first week of the season. So he will probably go to jail or will run away. It was reported a few weeks ago that Marjolein Keuning signed on for another year, so that probably means Maxime will survive.
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Post by HQ75 on Jul 5, 2009 9:58:49 GMT -5
Oh No! Damn, the more I love about this soap, the more I love it !!! That's the great thing about soap characters. If you look deeper everybody's got a suitcase full of crazy in their closet! I'm still recovering from the story of Lucas' conception... GENIUS!
Having more info about Nick now, I'll take 87 Maxines over a Nick anyday. Ooooh, I hope she's faking. That would be sooo Gena Davis in Long Kiss Goodnight!
I think "Maxine" is really hot (okay my lezzie is showing) so that's probably why I was so involved. Nothing like a statuesque lady who spits fire! That scene in the restaurant was amazing. I think that's why I was kinda hoping she'd kick his arse.
Sigh...
I haven't read the wikipedia stuff so I'm going to stay unspoiled. Can't wait til August.
Thanks so much Markdutchviewer for everything. YOU ARE A STAR!
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Post by justinate on Jul 5, 2009 10:17:43 GMT -5
I've finally figured out who Dex's (hot) mother reminds me of ... Sarah Walker (Rachel Griffiths) from Brothers & Sisters!
I also found this while youtubing Emiel Sandtke (I saw him in your signature some months back, Mark, and remember wanting to Google him but never got down to it). [yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GipQoVw2oDI [/yt]... and wondered why he took off his shirt? To amuse or to seduce? Just thought it may have some bearing on the future. ;D
I also rewatched that video which was posted a while back, where Emiel kissed a male fan (lucky devil ...)
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