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Post by aliceg on Apr 14, 2011 14:46:55 GMT -5
There is going to be no American soaps left at this rate!!!! No hope for a return for Kish then, this sucks!!!
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Post by carld2 on Apr 14, 2011 14:58:45 GMT -5
I think someone at ABC genuinely believed viewers hated gays. They also phased out their black characters around this time. They scapegoated minorities for the shitty stories on display at the time and the ratings crashed once the minorities were gone.
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Post by md1347 on Apr 14, 2011 14:59:04 GMT -5
There is going to be no American soaps left at this rate!!!! No hope for a return for Kish then, this sucks!!! I hope they will bring them back for the ending... but doubt it.
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Post by md1347 on Apr 14, 2011 14:59:50 GMT -5
I think someone at ABC genuinely believed viewers hated gays. They also phased out their black characters around this time. They scapegoated minorities for the shitty stories on display at the time and the ratings crashed once the minorities were gone. IMHO, it was all about keeping ratings low.
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Post by carld2 on Apr 14, 2011 15:18:36 GMT -5
The ABC soaps have been shunning minorities for years - I think it's just the beliefs of those running the show.
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Post by Bonobochick on Apr 14, 2011 15:35:00 GMT -5
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Post by blake on Apr 14, 2011 17:34:23 GMT -5
Alot of people are asking.Will Kish come back before the final?This is my personal opinion but I don't think Kish will return for a couple of reasons.Brett Claywell is now living in California and I don't really see him jumping on a plane to fly back to New York to tape a couple of shows (he might).Scott Evans well I really haven't heard much from him and he did away with his Twitter account.So I don't know if he is still in New York or he might have moved out to California as well.Also I think the writers will focus on their main characters on the show now also their tapping scenes for June getting ready to shoot stuff for July and August.Unless they recast Kish with different actors I just don't see Kish coming back before the final I could be wrong and I hope I am but I just don't see it happening.
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Post by rexer on Apr 14, 2011 22:22:21 GMT -5
Considering their unpleasant departures, there is no reason for them to come back for some stupid final scenes, and apparently they are 'unable to attract audiences'.
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Post by cheerios on Apr 14, 2011 23:01:59 GMT -5
Am I a horrible person for being happy that One Life To Live is being canceled. I wasn't happy with them getting rid of Kish and the other minority characters in favor of characters like Gigi and Rex. I know it means the end to two more American soaps and it means many people will have to find new jobs. But I haven't thought that One Life to Live or All My Children have been that good in years. Though I am kinda sad for All My Children, mainly because it had Bianca and she had to be one of my favorites.
So with Guiding Light, As The World Turns, One Life to Live, and All My Children gone. That leaves only Days of Our Lives, General Hospital, Bold & the Beautiful, and Young & the Restless. How are those four doing in the ratings, will they be in danger as well? It's amazing I remember as a kid being sick from school and spending the day watching cartoons and soaps. And now it seems American soaps seems to be disappearing from our screens. I wonder if they will create any new soaps or daytime tv will just be filled with talk shows, cooking shows, and game shows.
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Post by dkp on Apr 15, 2011 0:46:31 GMT -5
I think they'd come back for the fans if asked. I'm pretty sure Brett would at least. And any return, wouldn't be some story arc, it'd be a one or two episode appearance, like they'd be brought back to attend a wedding or something & we'd get an update on what they've been doing & their future plans. Nothing more than that. (which, given how OLTL tapes, Brett could film in one day & be back in LA by dinner time LOL)
But given that there are many other characters which a much deeper history with the show that fans want back, I doubt Kish is a top priority.
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Post by Bonobochick on Apr 15, 2011 9:22:05 GMT -5
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Post by jjose712 on Apr 15, 2011 9:33:04 GMT -5
I highly doubt that Brett would want to film for OLTL again, if one of the actors was bashed by tptb that was Brett. In my opinion Scott take his firing far better than Brett, and Breet didn't keep silent abut him being axed.
I don't think they will be back, and i don't think they will be asked to come back.
And i'm probably a bad person too, i can't be sad for OLTL being axed. In my opinion american soaps are just too arcaic to work in this days, their plots are the same that they are airing for 20 years, everytime they try something new, their conservative viewers are up in arms, but appeasing that viewers they will never find new viewers. It's not the format, because telenovelas are working really really well even in the US
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Post by justinate on Apr 15, 2011 11:09:36 GMT -5
With all due respect, I don't think there is any reason to be happy at OLTL's cancellation. That is the emotion Brian Frons is experiencing. He has been itching for years to cut the soaps, and now he has finally succeeded. He is probably dancing a jig right now.
The people suffering from OLTL's cancellation are mostly good people; people who had little (if any) part to play in Kish's firing. Ron Carlivati and Frank Valentini are both openly gay and I doubt very much they were overjoyed to axe Kish; they had to do as they were told by Frons and his management team ... all of whom will still be employed while Ron and Frank are out of job. The cast and crew of OLTL, who had no impact on Kish and most of whom (from what we saw) were happy to work with gay actors and gay characters, are now out of job. Erika Slezak has won multiple Emmys in her 40-year run as Victoria Lord. Robin Strasser, Jerry verDorn, Robert S Woods and Hillary B Smith are all veterans whose careers are probably at an end. Not to mention all the younger actors and the behind-the-scenes personnel (although they may be luckier in finding employment elsewhere). Brett and Scott were treated shabbily but I don't believe that was Frank, Ron, or their castmates. They should not be expected to reprise their roles. Personally, although I loved Kish and recognize their milestone moments, there are far more important characters to bring back: Tina, Cord, Cassie, Kevin, Andrew, Adriana ... I can only hope they will do the show justice in its final episodes.
IMO, this is the beginning of the end for all soaps. Whether they included gay representation or not, they were a legitimate form of entertainment that did that job (entertainment) well for many years. I have followed ATWT, OLTL, Y&R and B&B, and watched bits of the others (GL, DOOL, AMC and GH). I am devastated by the cancellations. I enjoyed the stories and the characters: they were alternately moving and thrilling; realistic and over-the-top. They brought drama, comedy, romance, social awareness, even action-adventure plots. I'd be lying if I didn't admit how much I enjoyed "love in the afternoon" with the shirtless hunks (hey, I knew I was gay when I saw Dylan Neal stripping on B&B).
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Post by Bonobochick on Apr 15, 2011 15:46:44 GMT -5
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Post by cheerios on Apr 16, 2011 3:33:34 GMT -5
I feel bad for all the people who have lost their jobs. But considering many other major soap actors have found work on other soaps or in other types of media. I'm sure many of them will still have successful and fulfilling careers. And I hope the people behind the scenes will find other types of employments as well.
But personally I have not enjoyed American soaps for quite a while. A lot of them have bad predictable story lines, stale horrible acting, and feel out of date. And I'm not just talking about their treatment of gay characters. And I used to love All My Children, I would watch when ever I could because I loved Bianca's (Eden Riegel) character and story line. I was so happy when they dropped the baby switch story line and Miranda was place back with Bianca.
I am sad that it seems like the era of the soaps is over. Considering daytime seems to be filling up with game shows, talk shows, and other reality shows that I don't like. I hope for the best for all those connected to these show now that they are coming to an ending. And I hope that they are given great send offs.
How are the four remaining soaps doing in the ratings? Are any of them in danger or are they doing ok?
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Post by overtherainbow on Apr 16, 2011 5:39:12 GMT -5
How are the four remaining soaps doing in the ratings? Are any of them in danger or are they doing ok? Days Of Our Lives is at the bottom in terms of ratings, though they did move up slightly last week. Days has had bad ratings before and survived though.. they were at the brink of cancellation a couple of years ago, but better writing and better storylines actually rocketed it up to a top 3, ratings wise. I certainly hope that will happen now too. I hope the ratings will improve when the current storylines are over (because these really are HORRIBLE). I've been watching Days since I was 10 years old.. it would be such a shame to see that get cancelled. Hopefully it won't though, like I said, it has survived worse ratings before.. Also, it got renewed until 2013. Plus, NBC only has one soap.. and that in itself gives it a little bit of life. It's expensive with one soap, but can you imagine how expensive it is with THREE? I don't support this decision of cancelling AMC and OLTL, but I do sorta see it from the network's POV though. I'm not saying I like their decision, but I know it's expensive producing three soaps.. Anyway.. I certainly hope Days will survive, especially considering the possible gay storyline coming up in May/June. I hope they can surivive this current slump. I know one of the most hated storylines wille be over in a couple of weeks, and I heard the May sweeps is gonna be good. I'm crossing my fingers and toes for Days, but it doesn't look great right now..
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Post by dkp on Apr 16, 2011 11:41:47 GMT -5
This morning they discussed on the Today Show AMC & OLTL's cancellations & they featured a clip of Kyle & Fish when discussing praiseworthy story-lines. on.msnbc.com/hupbwb
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Post by md1347 on Apr 16, 2011 19:59:40 GMT -5
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Post by md1347 on Apr 16, 2011 20:08:39 GMT -5
How are the four remaining soaps doing in the ratings? Are any of them in danger or are they doing ok? Days Of Our Lives is at the bottom in terms of ratings, though they did move up slightly last week. Days has had bad ratings before and survived though.. they were at the brink of cancellation a couple of years ago, but better writing and better storylines actually rocketed it up to a top 3, ratings wise. I certainly hope that will happen now too. I hope the ratings will improve when the current storylines are over (because these really are HORRIBLE). I've been watching Days since I was 10 years old.. it would be such a shame to see that get cancelled. Hopefully it won't though, like I said, it has survived worse ratings before.. Also, it got renewed until 2013. Plus, NBC only has one soap.. and that in itself gives it a little bit of life. It's expensive with one soap, but can you imagine how expensive it is with THREE? I don't support this decision of cancelling AMC and OLTL, but I do sorta see it from the network's POV though. I'm not saying I like their decision, but I know it's expensive producing three soaps.. Anyway.. I certainly hope Days will survive, especially considering the possible gay storyline coming up in May/June. I hope they can surivive this current slump. I know one of the most hated storylines wille be over in a couple of weeks, and I heard the May sweeps is gonna be good. I'm crossing my fingers and toes for Days, but it doesn't look great right now.. According to DC... AMC couldn't come in under budget. OLTL (and Days) come in way budget, hence, they make money for the network but we know the network is trying to maximize their profits by putting on cheap ass shows.
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Post by cheerios on Apr 16, 2011 20:42:47 GMT -5
Well times are hard, they are very hard. And a network probably will go with the cheapest option.
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Post by HQ75 on Apr 16, 2011 23:11:15 GMT -5
Found this interview I'd never seen with Brett and Scott and Michael Fairman Ahhh, good times. May 2010vimeo.com/10084246
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Post by atlanticslide on Apr 17, 2011 11:11:08 GMT -5
But personally I have not enjoyed American soaps for quite a while. Sadly, it seems that this is what ABC daytime execs have been hoping for. It's generally believed that Frons disliked and wanted to do away with ABC's soaps, and it's been talked about over the last few days that perhaps network tinkering with the shows and bad writing was intentional to run them into the ground, lose viewers, and thus lessen the negative reaction from fans when they were ultimately canceled. I haven't watched it, but apparently Frons even said in a video that came out the other day that these cancellations have been in the works for a year (which, if that's the case, makes him even scummier for moving All My Children form NY to LA only to cancel it a year later). It's too bad not only for the actors and crew on each of the shows - and I'd say especially for those working on OLTL, as the TV industry in NYC is really starting to dry up as of late, particularly with the death of the soaps - but this will surely have a ripple effect on the rest of the industry. Losing two soaps at once really damages the genre as a whole, and I can't imagine the others (especially General Hospital on ABC) will last too much longer. Add to that the soap magazines (part of another slowly dying industry), awards shows, anything built as an extension of the soap industry which will probably soon become obsolete with only four shows left, and it's another bunch of people out of work. Soap operas were such a huge, important entertainment genre once, a big part of TV and radio history, it's really too bad that no one amongst TPTB has cared enough to try and save them. And to bring this back around to OLTL, this may be a bit hyperbolic, but I firmly believe that axing the Kish storyline was a death knell for the genre. Soaps in other countries produce so many newer, more innovative and relevant storylines than the same retreads done over and over again on American soaps. They're not always done well or with total conviction, granted, but most shows in other countries have at least dipped their toes into more relevant topics and storylines - homosexuality, gender identity, assisted suicide, Islamic culture in Western societies, bullying, abortion, mental illness to name a few - while American shows seem afraid to really touch anything potentially controversial and continue to linger in the past. The last really culturally relevant storyline I can think of was the AIDS storyline on General Hospital in the '90s. American soaps continue to exist in this world in which there are no gay people, no minority races (or no more than two or three in one town), no working class people, no one of any strict religion, no one really different apart from the general 'good' vs 'evil'. Introducing a gay couple only to yank them relatively soon after and blame all bad ratings on them just showed me that OLTL, and by extension all American soaps, are going nowhere, and are totally unable to embrace the times and culture in which we live. A gay storyline, in this day and age, shouldn't even be considered all that daring, and yet network execs wrote Kish off as the source of OLTL's problems because it was too controversial and dropped what could have been two innovative, relevant characters (especially with the couple raising a child together). OLTL/ABC's refusal to get with the times is pretty indicative of one of the biggest problems with American soaps these days.
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Post by jjose712 on Apr 17, 2011 14:49:49 GMT -5
I agree with that, it seems to be a real contradiction on american soaps (as a i say telenovelas are really fine, even in the USA, and it's almost the same genre). The problem is that it seems a large part of soap viewers are conservative and react really bad to gay or interracial storylines, but the problem is if you don't innovate, if you don't write something new, you don't attract new viewers.
Kish was really a slap in the face of new viewers, it's true that Kish never had the impact that nuke had for ATWT, but the storyline was praised and they had a solid fanbase. After interviews and interviews when everybody showed their commitment with their gay storyline we all know what happens. I don't know if it was something to appease more conservative viewers, or a deliberate way to buried the show, but the truth is that it works. Almost a year later the show was axed. I find really incredible that people like Frons who showed to be totally inept for his work still has a job
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Post by blake on May 10, 2011 14:48:19 GMT -5
According to reports One Life To Live will end on January 6,2012 with tapping ending in November.
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Post by Bonobochick on May 11, 2011 9:53:20 GMT -5
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