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Post by ashesborn on Jun 2, 2011 8:22:09 GMT -5
I think, actually it's supported by one of Javier's tweets last night, that quite a lot happens for FerVid in 76. The preview and the pictures and the synopsis only show us the negative side, i.e. David trying to overcome his loss by forgetting Fer. That's only going to be a fragment of Monday's show. The title of the episode is, now we know, "I see you". In what we've seen in the preview, Fer sees David but it looks like David can't, or is in denial. I don't think Yoli, for all her surrogate widowhood, can see Fer, actually, what she says at the party only makes sense if she doesn't, she speaks metaphorically. In the same way that Fer did not have one single word for her as he died, Fer is not there for her, he's there for David alone. I suppose what's at stake in 76 is for David to say the words "I see you". The preview suggests Fer only haunts the flat to begin with. Once David sees him, he may get to go elsewhere, which would explain 77. As I said last night, I don't know how that is going to be done, I mean the details of that haunting. Wow... that's an amazing thought......... I don't know how I feel about it though. Because, after all, even if Fer's a ghost, he's still dead. It would be so much like the ending of Xena, where we see Gabrielle on a ship holding an urn that contains Xena's ashes, but Xena (obviously a ghost) is standing right beside her. They talk, and then the camera pans out, and we see that there's nobody on the ship except Gabrielle... So... what? This whole "I'm gonna be by your side forever" thing is quite romantic, but if you think about it. Is David going to stay with a ghost for the rest of his life? Make love to a ghost? Go out to dinner with a ghost? Well, it might also be a part of letting go... who knows?
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Post by antisen on Jun 2, 2011 8:30:29 GMT -5
Well I don't mean to sound harsh, but I like that the writers are going to be bring that point out in 7x06 with David and Yoli's conflict: moving on.
However, let's not forget what Fer did was for love. Love to protect his friends, of which he succeeded in. We can least be assured that he died happily, and would expect no more than for those he protected to be happy as well.
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Post by ashesborn on Jun 2, 2011 8:33:56 GMT -5
Well I don't mean to sound harsh, but I like that the writers are going to be bring that point out in 7x06 with David and Yoli's conflict: moving on. They never should've killed him in the first place...
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Post by firecrawler09 on Jun 2, 2011 8:48:52 GMT -5
So... what? This whole "I'm gonna be by your side forever" thing is quite romantic, but if you think about it. Is David going to stay with a ghost for the rest of his life? Make love to a ghost? Go out to dinner with a ghost? Well, it might also be a part of letting go... who knows? Screw it all if that's what they meant by "none of the couples have endured as long as Fer and David". Well, that's fine and dandy, good for them and good for Fervid fans, until they decided to kill off one part of the pair and the relationship obviously won't "endure" anymore. Just like you said, a dead Fer is dead, Fer/David is dead. No matter how much sentiment and love and gratitude and memory David will hold for Fer for the rest of his life, it can't be argued that they won't be together anymore, and David will have to move on with another person. Realistically, David is only 20 years old and this scenario of breaking up and moving on with another person can always happen to them, but dammit, this is still fiction, and we're supposed to believe in their relationship and the fact that they can be happy together alive. Why is it necessary to kill off one of them? Oh yeah, it's not. Except for some jaded notion that killing off the main character and David's love will somehow make everyone mature and better people. The next thing we would hear is David's gratefulness to Fer for opening up his gayness or something, so he could be with another guy for the rest of his life.
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Post by jos87 on Jun 2, 2011 9:39:45 GMT -5
i don't remember very well the first episodes of FoQ but i read in another forum (formula tv's forum that is spanish) that the series started with Fer's speech about life and death (maybe connected to the death of Julio's brother);and seem that the season will end with Fer's speech (in a way);i think at the moment that he is dead for good and that at the end of the season someone will read this speech of the beginning of first season;and Fer will appear as ghost in that moment (but someone says that he will appear to Yoli and not to David [this spoiler is given by a guy that before the start of this season of FoQ said that Fer would be died in chapter 75]). i reported here something taken in that spanish forum that seem to be written by J.Quintas:"porq era importante.porq esta serie,empezócon un discursode Fer,y así termina.En cierto modo #FoQ ha sido la historia deFer" : "because was important (I don't know what he was talking about saying this;maybe the Fer's death or the appearance of Fer in the last scene),because this series started with a Fer's speech and in this way will end.In a certain way FoQ was the history of Fer"
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Post by antisen on Jun 2, 2011 10:22:04 GMT -5
There are so many things I'm still trying to grasp at, the part of me that's still in denial and desperately hoping for a better end for this...such as the spoiler pictures for chapter 77 where Javier is on location shooting as Fer (he's wearing Fer's clothes). But if he's still dead and is roaming as a ghost, then why is he wearing a different set of clothes than the ones he died in, like the ones we saw him wearing as a ghost in chapter 76? Also, Javier had a haircut and is obviously sporting his new hairdo while shooting. So are we supposed to believe that ghost Fer (if he's still really dead in the last episode) somehow has a new wardrobe and his own hair salon in heaven? May be it was just a trick from the writers as they shot 77 before 75 was shown. And Javi is on location wearing Fer clothes on purpose (as they know fans are good detectives) but he's not involved in the shooting. Wait, this got me thinking... Did they shoot Fer's death after Antena 3's decision to cancel the show? Because I remember that Season 6 would've been the end of Fervid (a supposedly more happy one), but they decided to carry them over to S7 to S9 (full year). However, their plans got cut short. So I don't know, but I think that the show's cancellation is directly related to why they decided to let Fer die.
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Post by Shiny on Jun 2, 2011 10:32:49 GMT -5
I don't think so. This picture was tweeted this week. And I'm sure they didn't know by that time if there is season 8 or not.
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Post by Shiny on Jun 2, 2011 10:39:45 GMT -5
i don't remember very well the first episodes of FoQ but i read in another forum (formula tv's forum that is spanish) that the series started with Fer's speech about life and death (maybe connected to the death of Julio's brother);and seem that the season will end with Fer's speech (in a way);i think at the moment that he is dead for good and that at the end of the season someone will read this speech of the beginning of first season;and Fer will appear as ghost in that moment (but someone says that he will appear to Yoli and not to David [this spoiler is given by a guy that before the start of this season of FoQ said that Fer would be died in chapter 75]). i reported here something taken in that spanish forum that seem to be written by J.Quintas:"porq era importante.porq esta serie,empezócon un discursode Fer,y así termina.En cierto modo #FoQ ha sido la historia deFer" : "because was important (I don't know what he was talking about saying this;maybe the Fer's death or the appearance of Fer in the last scene),because this series started with a Fer's speech and in this way will end.In a certain way FoQ was the history of Fer" It looks like the spoiler below can confirm your idea somehow. Both Javier Quintas and Javier Calvo tweeted about this. They were viewing sequences from 1x01 in order to make a couple of identical shots. Hello nostalgia! As Javi Calvo, pointed out, he and many of his costars were then 15. Here he is with Angy Fernández (Paula) and Leonor Martín (Cova): a.yfrog.com/img619/7162/a4vbb.jpgI haven't found this shot yet in 1x01 but I did listen to Fer's speech which was almost at the end of the chapter (Things you need to do before you die). And cried again
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Post by firens on Jun 2, 2011 10:39:57 GMT -5
I think, actually it's supported by one of Javier's tweets last night, that quite a lot happens for FerVid in 76. The preview and the pictures and the synopsis only show us the negative side, i.e. David trying to overcome his loss by forgetting Fer. That's only going to be a fragment of Monday's show. The title of the episode is, now we know, "I see you". In what we've seen in the preview, Fer sees David but it looks like David can't, or is in denial. I don't think Yoli, for all her surrogate widowhood, can see Fer, actually, what she says at the party only makes sense if she doesn't, she speaks metaphorically. In the same way that Fer did not have one single word for her as he died, Fer is not there for her, he's there for David alone. I suppose what's at stake in 76 is for David to say the words "I see you". The preview suggests Fer only haunts the flat to begin with. Once David sees him, he may get to go elsewhere, which would explain 77. As I said last night, I don't know how that is going to be done, I mean the details of that haunting. Wow... that's an amazing thought......... I don't know how I feel about it though. Because, after all, even if Fer's a ghost, he's still dead. It would be so much like the ending of Xena, where we see Gabrielle on a ship holding an urn that contains Xena's ashes, but Xena (obviously a ghost) is standing right beside her. They talk, and then the camera pans out, and we see that there's nobody on the ship except Gabrielle... So... what? This whole "I'm gonna be by your side forever" thing is quite romantic, but if you think about it. Is David going to stay with a ghost for the rest of his life? Make love to a ghost? Go out to dinner with a ghost? Well, it might also be a part of letting go... who knows? Thank you for the reference, I don't know the show ( Xena, I mean) except as a title, but it's most probably relevant because Ruano, at least, seems to be a big horro/fantasy geek. (In that sense, possible references to Buffy might also work). So that it's clear, I am not, and, as a rule, I loathe the supernatural. It's probably because I'm French ;D. But there are exceptions, of course. One of them is the Portuguese film I mentioned last night, Odete. The other one is the Japanese classic, Ugetsu. Both are about love haunting. There was some of it too in Honoré's Les Chansons d'amour, which is also a gay movie, but the articulation of the haunting to the gay love story was very different there. All this to say that there are models for what we are about to see. For me, when Ennis discovers the two shirts, one within the other, in Jack's old closet, he is in fact seeing a ghost. A ghost that he gets to take home, but a ghost nevertheless. And it brings comfort to some extent, but it also every time reopens the unspeakable pain of what he's lost for ever. The scene with David that ended the chapter last night was clearly in echo of that but it worked differently: it's right after the funeral and Fer had been mentioning that shirt he'd forgotten when he had moved out. David had said there was no such shirt, that Fer had cleared out everything, and that it was just an excuse to talk to him or come to the flat (which it most assuredly was). I think to give some beginning of an answer to your question, it's a fair guess that Fer is not a vampire or a ghoul come to make David's life impossible, to forbid him to have a life. I really think that's not what we'll see. He's there because David is there, He's there because his love is still there. And time ran out on him, by his own admission, and he blamed himself for it. Those are the few elements we have to begin with. Not to sound too maniacal, but ever since I realised the bit on the redpill and The Matrix was going to be important a few weeks ago (that's Sara's philosophy class that follows the scene when David gives Fer his "cheap ring" in 7x02, clip 4 of the subbed videos we're doing with TheAntisen), same as Arturo's biology class about the three kinds of symbiosis in 7x03 is important (it will be in clip 1 of our 7x03, hopefully up soon), ever since then, I have been thinking that of the two key rings Fer gives David in the beginning, "one for you and one for me", one is red and one is blue. So the clue was already there. In Sara's experiment, her version of the redpill enables Teresa, once she opens her eyes to her new vision, to see what she desires (to see). It is liberating (in her case, but apparently the topic returns in 7x06, it frees her from Daniela's evil influence). I can imagine this is what is going to happen to David: opening his eyes to see that what he desires is in front of him, not behind him. That's where the connection with Plato's cave comes in, I think. The slave who's been taken out of the cave where he was with the others, sitting and watching in the wrong direction, mistaking shadows for realities, who's seen the truth and been blinded by the light, is loath to return into the cave, and if he does, he's very likely to be killed by his former companions because the experience he wants to tell them about, they can neither understand nor tolerate. Now in Plato and The Matrix, it's about knowledge and reality. Here it's about love. But the two are close. What is amazing in Fer's speech is that he says that meeting David is the best thing that's happened to him in his life. That means Fer knows and has known from the beginning that David loves him, that David is the first who's ever loved him, that David's love is big enough and strong enough to bear anything, even " un novio rayado como yo" ("a fucked up boyfriend like me"). But he forgot too often or for too long to respond as he should have. He dies knowing it. I suppose that the episode that's coming is about allowing David to access, or not to forget (but for Plato knowing is remembering , that higher reality.
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Post by firens on Jun 2, 2011 10:47:40 GMT -5
The thing which is really irksome to me at the moment, as I said in a pm earlier, is that Quintas has been saying in his tweets, this death was needed to make FerVid unforgettable, to grant them the noblest, most emotional exit, etc... What irks me is that for me, and for all Fervidistas I guess, this was already a given. We knew that. Fer didn't have to die to convince us of that, of the fact that FoQ has in fact from the beginning been in a clandestine but more and more explicit way the history of Fer, and of FerVid, that they were the center of everything and that once Fer is dead, or gone, FoQ cannot stand. We knew that. So this had to happen because the writers were too chicken to admit it and say it loud and clear. I am waiting and hoping for a conclusion in 76 & 77 that really takes all this to another level and convinces me this was absolutely needed.
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Post by antisen on Jun 2, 2011 10:53:40 GMT -5
I don't think so. This picture was tweeted this week. And I'm sure they didn't know by that time if there is season 8 or not. That's unfortunate. I'm just trying to figure out why there might have been a happy ending for S6, but a complete 180 ending for S7. Oh well. Thanks for the amazing insight firens. Monday can't come any sooner...
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Post by jos87 on Jun 2, 2011 10:57:06 GMT -5
The thing which is really irksome to me at the moment, as I said in a pm earlier, is that Quintas has been saying in his tweets, this death was needed to make FerVid unforgettable, to grant them the noblest, most emotional exit, etc... What irks me is that for me, and for all Fervidistas I guess, this was already a given. We knew that. Fer didn't have to die to convince us of that, of the fact that FoQ has in fact from the beginning been in a clandestine but more and more explicit way the history of Fer, and of FerVid, that they were the center of everything and that once Fer is dead, or gone, FoQ cannot stand. We knew that. So this had to happen because the writers were too chicken to admit it and say it loud and clear. I am waiting and hoping for a conclusion in 76 & 77 that really takes all this to another level and convinces me this was absolutely needed. i'm totally agree with you. I want them to show us that this death was needed (because i don't think so;even because there are other ways to make this lovable couple unforgettable;and i find this excuse very pathetic), However why in the spoiler post someone said that David will be straight? i don't think so. How can be Fervid unforgettable with this stupid thing? i don't want to think that the writers will be so stupid (and if this is what will happen,for me Fervid will end in chapter 72)
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Post by benben88 on Jun 2, 2011 11:01:37 GMT -5
The thing which is really irksome to me at the moment, as I said in a pm earlier, is that Quintas has been saying in his tweets, this death was needed to make FerVid unforgettable, to grant them the noblest, most emotional exit, etc... What irks me is that for me, and for all Fervidistas I guess, this was already a given. We knew that. Fer didn't have to die to convince us of that, of the fact that FoQ has in fact from the beginning been in a clandestine but more and more explicit way the history of Fer, and of FerVid, that they were the center of everything and that once Fer is dead, or gone, FoQ cannot stand. We knew that. So this had to happen because the writers were too chicken to admit it and say it loud and clear. I am waiting and hoping for a conclusion in 76 & 77 that really takes all this to another level and convinces me this was absolutely needed. As I've said in my post over at the general discussion, such a horrible act of cruelty which has happened in real life should never be used as a twisted motive on TV ... especially not to show the integrity of Fer and David. This lack of morality makes me sick beyond belief and disqualifies any rescue attempt in the remaining episodes. FoQ is in any fibre dead - over and out. Death or murder, even by accident, is never needed.
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Post by ari on Jun 2, 2011 11:16:58 GMT -5
I don't think they would have killed off Fer if they hadn't known this would be the final season a long time ago, like maybe before season 6 ended.
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Post by firens on Jun 2, 2011 11:31:47 GMT -5
Javier just said he found out when the writers came up with this, during the break between 6 and 7, so between December and February. It was always going to be 75, with 76 as the real dénouement for FerVid.
The show knew they were on the edge since they had only been renewed for the one season. They heard the weekend after the flop of 7x01. That's when they knew 76, 77, 78 & 79 had to be rewritten as 76 & 77. 71 to 75 were written and shot as originally intended, that is when they were really hoping to be further renewed.
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Post by antisen on Jun 2, 2011 11:34:37 GMT -5
Great to have some understanding of the timeline and structure of events.
But it makes me wish everything just ended in Season 6...
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Post by jos87 on Jun 2, 2011 11:37:39 GMT -5
and Javier said that we'll cry a lot at the end of the next episode. Seem like a sort of real "despedida" between Fer and David,like something special between them even if Fer is dead. Seem from what Javier said that they wanted to mythologizing Fervid. we'll see. He said too that the first final that he knew (or maybe thought) about Fer was the marriage between Fer and David;but like Firens said, during the break the writers changed the final ahahah Javier said too that while Adrian shooted the last scene of the next episode at the end (where david cries) Adrian continued to cry and said "i don't like it; why he (Fer) must die"; firens correct me if i'm wrong
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Post by firens on Jun 2, 2011 11:46:08 GMT -5
Yes, "no me gusta, joder, es que no me gusta" and he couldn't stop crying.
It is sort of difficult but it is clear that Javier is not buying the whole need to kill off Fer to make him mythical and is not happy at all that Fer, the gay character, had to die.
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Post by benben88 on Jun 2, 2011 11:48:27 GMT -5
Yes, " no me gusta, joder, es que no me gusta" and he couldn't stop crying. It is sort of difficult but it is clear that Javier is not buying the whole need to kill off Fer to make him mythical and is not happy at all that Fer, the gay character, had to die. Amen to that.
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Post by jos87 on Jun 2, 2011 11:52:12 GMT -5
Yes, " no me gusta, joder, es que no me gusta" and he couldn't stop crying. It is sort of difficult but it is clear that Javier is not buying the whole need to kill off Fer to make him mythical and is not happy at all that Fer, the gay character, had to die. yes firens. i have the same impression about Javier not buying the need to kill his character to mythologizing Fervid. I'm sure that the next episode will be emotional;but i continue to not understand this end for Fer and Fervid. How much i would pay to see Adrian crying and saying that sentence after the scene for chapter 76 (and with this sentence i believe that Adrian is not happy for this end for them) Edit:Javier confirmed that Adrian did not like Fer's death
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Post by Shiny on Jun 2, 2011 12:12:42 GMT -5
Yes, " no me gusta, joder, es que no me gusta" and he couldn't stop crying. It is sort of difficult but it is clear that Javier is not buying the whole need to kill off Fer to make him mythical and is not happy at all that Fer, the gay character, had to die. Is it for the next chapter?
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Post by firens on Jun 2, 2011 12:15:18 GMT -5
Yes, the scene he was referring to is in 76....
And he was going on and on about his Russian fans, whom he loves, and plugging the Russian show as well...
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Post by Shiny on Jun 2, 2011 12:21:51 GMT -5
And he was going on and on about his Russian fans, whom he loves, and plugging the Russian show as well... That's great!!! And the good thing is that after seeing Javi I completely stopped crying and don't want that any more! Fuhhh.. Finally! He's just amazing
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Post by firens on Jun 2, 2011 12:24:04 GMT -5
When I say it is difficult, I mean it's tricky for Javier to come out like this against the writers, all the more so that he gave his agreement at first, same thing for Adrián. He also gave some insight on the thinking of Vaca & Ruano: Fer starts with a speech he gives when his first love Rubén kills himself, and he ends dying for the love of his life, and more importantly telling the love of his life he is the love of his life.
Javier also quoted what Vaca tweeted him during the videochat that addresses what I was writing about earlier. Here it is:
"FoQ can be seen as the story of Fer, from the moment his big love died which set off his coming out of the closet, his journey learning to be himself, all the way to his own death, helping others. Noble Fer and noble Javi. Jaime Vaca."
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Post by jos87 on Jun 2, 2011 12:36:21 GMT -5
Fer starts with a speech he gives when his first love Rubén kills himself, and he ends dying for the love of his life, and more importantly telling the love of his life he is the love of his life. this sentence is so beautiful and touching;dying for the man/woman of our life has something romantic and strong and this is what happen with Fer;but despite everything it's very hard for me (like i think for all of you too)to accept (at this moment) the death of this character;for what Fer and David were and are for us (i'm 24 so i can see in both of them parts of me). however now this choice can have a sense (but i would prefer something else) I only hope that in the last episode we don't see another guy or girl around David;would be good to end Fervid with him alone;finally ,i know that David will have ,rightly, another man or woman to love,he must go on with his life ( and is not right for him to remain trapped in Fer's memory) but i don't want to see that (and i don't think that this will happen,especially because they have no time to develope this story);but i'm sure that Fer will be always a part of David's life;a part of David's hearth will remain always Fer's property I love fervid!
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