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Post by cakefan on May 30, 2008 3:01:53 GMT -5
unfortunately not, no. it is also unclear whether Elliot knows about JP and Kieron. They haven't said anything but anyone with an eye even the slightest bit sharper than Myra's could have noticed by now. Last time JP/Kieron and Elliot were in a scene together they both shrugged him off with lame excuses and basically agreed to go back to Kieron's appartment to get it on right in front of him (Elliot: right, have fun whatever you do), and now with the fake boyfriend stuff...
Funny thing is, the actor that plays Elliot is supposedly gay in real life. (unlike Jake/Kieron, James/JP, Guy/Craig or Gerard/Kris)
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jun 10, 2008 11:17:47 GMT -5
At least have some CURRENT spoilers to discuss about the JPK consensual affair reveal. I liked how James' stated that "He thinks that JP loves Kieron".
This thread hasn't been active for almost two weeks now. For shame. ;D
It's nice to know that he feels that his character's feelings for his current relationship are true for Kieron and that he's willing to face the challenges of being an ostracized couple, especially with the estrangment from his own mother AND Kieron giving up the Priesthood for their chances to be together.
*color changed for spoilers -Bchick
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Post by jaymac74 on Jun 10, 2008 17:41:39 GMT -5
Operative words are "I think so"!
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Post by cakefan on Jun 11, 2008 4:45:56 GMT -5
And no yes or no to the question "will he really?"
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Post by Bonobochick on Jun 11, 2008 15:55:03 GMT -5
I posted this on my LJ and I am wondering... is it just my imagination or do more gay men like JP/K? Like there are some gay men who love McDean, don't get me wrong, but I seem to come across more posts from gay men liking JP/K more than they did/do McDean.
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Post by neand48 on Jun 12, 2008 6:37:48 GMT -5
OH MY!! That was HILARIOUS! I'm still laughing.......... Hilarious indeed... (EVER... SO...SLOWLY... catching up here...) Amber: I think your smilies (or is it emoticons - CATC to the nth degree speaking) should come with a warning. DO NOT LOOK AT EMOTICON WHILE DRINKING Thank god for clean spare shirts and Scot Towels. That's the funniest one I've seen yet. I'm previewing my post and I still can't stop laughing.
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Post by amber80 on Jun 12, 2008 15:24:49 GMT -5
OH MY!! That was HILARIOUS! I'm still laughing.......... Hilarious indeed... (EVER... SO...SLOWLY... catching up here...) Amber: I think your smilies (or is it emoticons - CATC to the nth degree speaking) should come with a warning. DO NOT LOOK AT EMOTICON WHILE DRINKING Thank god for clean spare shirts and Scot Towels. That's the funniest one I've seen yet. I'm previewing my post and I still can't stop laughing. You're welcome... ;D
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Post by bugchicklv on Jun 12, 2008 16:09:08 GMT -5
I posted this on my LJ and I am wondering... is it just my imagination or do more gay men like JP/K? Like there are some gay men who love McDean, don't get me wrong, but I seem to come across more posts from gay men liking JP/K more than they did/do McDean. Not just gay men. I prefer it as well. Maybe it's because I came late to the party, or because I just REALLY think the actor playing Kieron is amazingly hot. I also like that Kieron knew he was gay, and his hangups have everything to do with his vocation and not his orientation. And if the spoilers are true, I also melt at the idea that Kieron loves JP so much that he'd give up EVERYTHING to be with him (a la Christian for Olli in VL, only more meaningful because--with a vocation like the priesthood--it's not just a job).
Of course, I wouldn't want to be JP in that situation because it's then like he might feel obligated to STAY with Kieron...and if not that at some point JP must be afraid that Kieron will come to resent him, maybe even hate him a little...even though it was Kieron's choice/decision.Gah! I dunno. I just think that JP (like Luke) deserves better.
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Post by Bonobochick on Jun 12, 2008 16:13:44 GMT -5
I posted this on my LJ and I am wondering... is it just my imagination or do more gay men like JP/K? Like there are some gay men who love McDean, don't get me wrong, but I seem to come across more posts from gay men liking JP/K more than they did/do McDean. Not just gay men. I prefer it as well. Maybe it's because I came late to the party, or because I just REALLY think the actor playing Kieron is amazingly hot. I also like that Kieron knew he was gay, and his hangups have everything to do with his vocation and not his orientation. And if the spoilers are true, I also melt at the idea that Kieron loves JP so much that he'd give up EVERYTHING to be with him (a la Christian for Olli in VL, only more meaningful because--with a vocation like the priesthood--it's not just a job).
Of course, I wouldn't want to be JP in that situation because it's then like he might feel obligated to STAY with Kieron...and if not that at some point JP must be afraid that Kieron will come to resent him, maybe even hate him a little...even though it was Kieron's choice/decision.Gah! I dunno. I just think that JP (like Luke) deserves better. Oh, I know there are lots of straight women who like JP/K (I am one... I actually like both pairings for JP for different reasons) but I find more gay men seem to like JP/K than McDean. I find that interesting and would love to know why.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jun 12, 2008 16:26:12 GMT -5
I'm really interested to see the breakdown as well, B-Chick.
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Post by bugchicklv on Jun 12, 2008 16:30:40 GMT -5
Not just gay men. I prefer it as well. Maybe it's because I came late to the party, or because I just REALLY think the actor playing Kieron is amazingly hot. I also like that Kieron knew he was gay, and his hangups have everything to do with his vocation and not his orientation. And if the spoilers are true, I also melt at the idea that Kieron loves JP so much that he'd give up EVERYTHING to be with him (a la Christian for Olli in VL, only more meaningful because--with a vocation like the priesthood--it's not just a job).
Of course, I wouldn't want to be JP in that situation because it's then like he might feel obligated to STAY with Kieron...and if not that at some point JP must be afraid that Kieron will come to resent him, maybe even hate him a little...even though it was Kieron's choice/decision.Gah! I dunno. I just think that JP (like Luke) deserves better. Oh, I kow there are lots of straight women who like JP/K (I am one... I actually like both pairings for JP for different reasons) but I find more gay men seem to like JP/K than McDean. I find that interesting and would love to know why. Ok, so two months ago I started watching the clips and my SigO (who kind of bristles when I tell him that screwing around with guys DOES MAKE HIM AT LEAST BI!!!) kind of fell into watching it with me. His take on it? Kieron is hotter. Kieron is older. Kieron is hotter. Kieron is more experienced. Kieron is hotter. Kieron accepts his sexuality so while there is some possibility that JP could lose him to another man, but practically impossible that he'd lose him to another woman (like he could Craig, possibly...which kind of freaked me out because, knowing what I do about my Sig, now I can only think, "Great, what's that supposed to mean? Do I have twice the competition? Ack!!") Kieron is hotter. Kieron is a Priest which is totally taboo--bordering on a fetish for some (him?)--and thus, more exciting. Did I mention that he thinks Kieron is hotter? I don't think that helps much but after I went through the trouble of asking I kind of felt obligated to post his answers.
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Post by calaeb on Jun 12, 2008 16:47:16 GMT -5
I think JP is better with Kieron. I'm just not so sure Kieron is best with JP ... Maybe they should bring back Spike. He and Kieron would make a HOT team!
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jun 12, 2008 16:47:35 GMT -5
Thank you, for posting your Sigs response to Kieron.
I agree with him, he is hot.
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Post by neand48 on Jun 12, 2008 16:49:19 GMT -5
Oh, I kow there are lots of straight women who like JP/K (I am one... I actually like both pairings for JP for different reasons) but I find more gay men seem to like JP/K than McDean. I find that interesting and would love to know why. He's older (he'd have to be 28 at the very least) and more mature. It's easier for me to relate to him than to Craig, or to JP come to think of it.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jun 13, 2008 10:25:19 GMT -5
Here's the thing though: JP was faced with a similiar situation, when Craig choose him over Sarah. He didn't know that Craig turned down Sarah twice, in regards to wanting to start his life anew in Dublin with JP. Yet, some fans think that IF, JP had known about Craig turning down Sarah, it would have made a difference in JP leaving him at the airport and not going to Dublin. I don't think it would have, because JP was still correct in saying that Craig didn't know who he was at the time. Craig was still uncomfortable in dealing with the fact that he was in love with another man and that people (regardless if they knew him or not) were going to lable him as 'gay'. I, would hope that Kieron wouldn't attempt to use his situation, if and when it comes down to JP making a choice between him and Craig. I would want it to be a choice, of whom JP wants to share his life with, not about who sacrificed WHAT for him. I don't (and/or want to ) think that JP and/or Kieron are that selfish about their feelings for each other. I posted this on my LJ and I am wondering... is it just my imagination or do more gay men like JP/K? Like there are some gay men who love McDean, don't get me wrong, but I seem to come across more posts from gay men liking JP/K more than they did/do McDean. Not just gay men. I prefer it as well. Maybe it's because I came late to the party, or because I just REALLY think the actor playing Kieron is amazingly hot. I also like that Kieron knew he was gay, and his hangups have everything to do with his vocation and not his orientation. And if the spoilers are true, I also melt at the idea that Kieron loves JP so much that he'd give up EVERYTHING to be with him (a la Christian for Olli in VL, only more meaningful because--with a vocation like the priesthood--it's not just a job).
Of course, I wouldn't want to be JP in that situation because it's then like he might feel obligated to STAY with Kieron...and if not that at some point JP must be afraid that Kieron will come to resent him, maybe even hate him a little...even though it was Kieron's choice/decision.Gah! I dunno. I just think that JP (like Luke) deserves better.
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Post by lolaruns on Jun 13, 2008 10:37:26 GMT -5
I think a lot of gay male fans prefer Kieron because they probably have some experience how annoying people who are unsure/have issues about their sexuality are in real life and how terrible they are in relationships.
The whole "Straight guy turned gay for me" is a very romantic fairytale in a movie or tv show, but doesn't work out nearly as fun and rosy in real life. Kieron might have his problems but he appears to be more secure in his sexuality which is probably quite an attractive thing itself.
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Post by cakefan on Jun 13, 2008 13:42:17 GMT -5
I think a lot of gay male fans prefer Kieron because they probably have some experience how annoying people who are unsure/have issues about their sexuality are in real life and how terrible they are in relationships. The whole "Straight guy turned gay for me" is a very romantic fairytale in a movie or tv show, but doesn't work out nearly as fun and rosy in real life. Kieron might have his problems but he appears to be more secure in his sexuality which is probably quite an attractive thing itself. Now that is the best explanation I have heard so far. And I must admit, even though I am rooting for Craig and I think he is cuter, I would have probably kicked him to the curb much earlier than JP did. But then I'd probably never have gotten it on with Kieron either. It IS soapland, everyone does stupid thing that you know they'll regret at some point. I am just too conscientous, I am afraid. But yeah. "It's not nice being messed around, is it?"
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Post by mattnjacob on Jun 13, 2008 15:24:37 GMT -5
When Kieron does leave the church, if he is totally honest with himself, he won't be able to look at JP and say "Look what I gave up for you." Because if he is being honest with himself he'll say that he gave up the church for his own well being and not that of JP's. I mean, JP will certainly be an influence on his decision and a big part of it. But Kieron should realize that he left the church because it is not compatable with who he is. Yes, he can be a gay man in the church, but he cannot be a gay man in a relationship in the church. Kieron underestimated love when he accepted his calling.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jun 13, 2008 16:08:31 GMT -5
What an interesting and compelling post, Mattnjacob. btw - Welcome. When Kieron does leave the church, if he is totally honest with himself, he won't be able to look at JP and say "Look what I gave up for you." Because if he is being honest with himself he'll say that he gave up the church for his own well being and not that of JP's. I mean, JP will certainly be an influence on his decision and a big part of it. But Kieron should realize that he left the church because it is not compatable with who he is. Yes, he can be a gay man in the church, but he cannot be a gay man in a relationship in the church. Kieron underestimated love when he accepted his calling.
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Post by mattnjacob on Jun 14, 2008 9:17:57 GMT -5
Thanks I'm really hopeful for the JP/Kieron relationship. I have my fingers crossed that after he makes his decision about the church he's able to focus on his and JP's relationship. According to the spoilers on the front page (ick) this all comes out at the end of the month. Craig returns in Sept. This leaves July and August for the writers to build up JP/Kieron. I'll be shocked if they turn Kieron into a jerk. *Changed font to beige for spoilers. All spoilers in non spoiler threads must be color coded. -Bchick
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Post by cakefan on Jun 14, 2008 16:26:34 GMT -5
When Kieron does leave the church, if he is totally honest with himself, he won't be able to look at JP and say "Look what I gave up for you." Because if he is being honest with himself he'll say that he gave up the church for his own well being and not that of JP's. I mean, JP will certainly be an influence on his decision and a big part of it. But Kieron should realize that he left the church because it is not compatable with who he is. Yes, he can be a gay man in the church, but he cannot be a gay man in a relationship in the church. Kieron underestimated love when he accepted his calling. Yeah, I really hope that this is the way they will handle Kieron - that they will make him understanding of the pressure it puts JP under as well and that he doesn't play the guilt trip on him. Also, when Craig comes around, I hope they don't give Kieron too much of the green eye. Please keep him mature, writers!!! I would love to see him stick around in Hollyoaks for a while...
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Post by psionycx on Jun 15, 2008 13:12:21 GMT -5
When Kieron does leave the church, if he is totally honest with himself, he won't be able to look at JP and say "Look what I gave up for you." Because if he is being honest with himself he'll say that he gave up the church for his own well being and not that of JP's. I mean, JP will certainly be an influence on his decision and a big part of it. But Kieron should realize that he left the church because it is not compatable with who he is. Yes, he can be a gay man in the church, but he cannot be a gay man in a relationship in the church. Kieron underestimated love when he accepted his calling. I remember reading somewhere that the #1 reason that priests leave the Catholic priesthood is to get married. The article that was talking about this was of course referring to heterosexual marriage, but I still found it very interesting. One of the hardest aspects of being a Catholic priest, straight or gay, is having to commit to a life without romantic love (to say nothing of sex). Not that it's a lot easier being an Anglican priest in a same-sex relationship. Check this out: news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7455187.stm
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Post by cakefan on Jun 15, 2008 14:08:25 GMT -5
When Kieron does leave the church, if he is totally honest with himself, he won't be able to look at JP and say "Look what I gave up for you." Because if he is being honest with himself he'll say that he gave up the church for his own well being and not that of JP's. I mean, JP will certainly be an influence on his decision and a big part of it. But Kieron should realize that he left the church because it is not compatable with who he is. Yes, he can be a gay man in the church, but he cannot be a gay man in a relationship in the church. Kieron underestimated love when he accepted his calling. I remember reading somewhere that the #1 reason that priests leave the Catholic priesthood is to get married. The article that was talking about this was of course referring to heterosexual marriage, but I still found it very interesting. One of the hardest aspects of being a Catholic priest, straight or gay, is having to commit to a life without romantic love (to say nothing of sex). Not that it's a lot easier being an Anglican priest in a same-sex relationship. Check this out: news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7455187.stm Too true. I also once read that it was because of celibacy that gay men are highly represented among the Catholic clergy. As they didn't have the prospects of marriage and children - and back in the day not even of being accepted as living together with another man - anyway, the sacrifice was "easier" to make at the time. Kieron says this at some point in a conversation with JP : "And I am hiding behind the rules". There is a very high percentage of clergymen with AIDS as well, a real "problem" for the Catholic Church. I think what Kieron says about the fact that it's high time the Church could accept sex as an expression of love, and not just a means for procreation, because that's just turning the best against the good, also applies to what they are asking from the clergy. But then the Church couldn't care less about what someone sinful like me (or Kieron for that matter) thinks, huh?!
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Post by psionycx on Jun 15, 2008 15:03:28 GMT -5
Back when John Paul II was still alive the Church took an official position that homosexuals are "called to celibacy". This had also been the general position for a long time before they out and said it. Well, if you're going to recommend that homosexuals be celibate is it any wonder that so many of them decide they might as well become priests? Why be celibate in the laity?
All of this goes back to St Paul, who held that the ideal state for a Christian was celibacy, with marriage as an inferior option for those that couldn't manage to be celibate. Mind you, celibacy wasn't mandatory for priests for many centuries early on, although it was favored by a powerful bloc within the Church.
Even leaving the gay thing aside Kieron is struggling with something that nearly all priests do. A surprising number of straight priests have what might be considered girlfriends or mistresses, although the better among them don't have sex with them. But this is what feeds the departures to marry because many have fallen in love and cannot continue as priests under the rules. When the time comes that they cannot take it anymore they quit.
For a gay priest it's even harder because obviously it's even more egregious an offense to the Church to quit to be in a same-sex relationship. And now that the UK has legalized civil partnerships a gay priest can technically quit to get "married" (though absolutely not in the Church!).
I'm truthfully a little surprised as I have not seen much buzz online about a Church reaction to this storyline. I still remember all the buzz way back when the movie Priest came out back in the 90's.
Still, that brings to mind a MAD Magazine sketch they had where Michael Eisner had Walt Disney unfrozen and was showing him around the modern day Disney corporation.
WD: Why are they picketing a movie called Priest? It sounds like it has wholesome, traditional values.
ME: They're upset because it's about a homosexual priest!
WD: But won't that offend the straight priests?
ME: Yes, but we've written to both of them and they forgave us!
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jun 20, 2008 14:58:13 GMT -5
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