Kompisar-Flatmates

[seven14]

Beautiful short film posted by giampypi77 on YT......I know these parts go over the 10mins rule...by a few seconds...but such a well-done short!!!!

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Part2:



Please let me know if this has already been posted and seen and I will remove.

[aussie54]

[amber80]

Beautiful! But sad.... I could almost feel his longing and his hurt.

[seven14]

aussie54 and amber80 I am sooooooooo[/color] right there with you both!!!!!

I have watched this short 3 times and I think this is my limit...Bjorn with his sweet sweet self just breaks my heart!!!! I feel so sorry for him in this moment.............but I am intent on deluding myself....because my imagination like so many others on this board is boundless....I firmly believe Hampus is not ready NOW...but one day Bjorn will get his man!!!

I am Hopeful, they came to a "understanding" that very night!!!



I'm going to sidebar now and say that I do firmly believe that Bjorn should have kept his hands to himself..he crossed the line.....no matter how strong the urge...he should have exercised self-restraint.....BUT, I do think Hampus could have interrupted ...and he chose not to....regardless that doesn't make Bjorn and his actions right!!

[sweetsheep]

Beautiful and at the same time so ... oooooh... heartbreaking.

[lucrece]

He took advantage of his friend while drunk. The guy was clearly vulnerable, so his lack of strong rejection is a given.

Of course, the straight friend flirted with him a lot, but it was all in jest. Bjorn should've known from the passionate sounds next to him when his friend was doing it with a girl, that the boundary was very clear. There was no sexual confusion, and he killed his friendship by introducing mistrust and sexual tension.

[yahoorain]

I've seen this and i thought it was beautifully done...

[seven14]

Mar 2, 2009 17:19:02 GMT -5 lucrece said:

He took advantage of his friend while drunk. The guy was clearly vulnerable, so his lack of strong rejection is a given.

Of course, the straight friend flirted with him a lot, but it was all in jest. Bjorn should've known from the passionate sounds next to him when his friend was doing it with a girl, that the boundary was very clear. There was no sexual confusion, and he killed his friendship by introducing mistrust and sexual tension.

Hello Lucrece, you should know more than me as you are Male...but I am not sure it was clearly established that the "Straight" friend's flirtations were entirely in jest.

I mean, we do not even know for certain that Hampus is straight..except that he has a new girl-friend and in having physical relations....to me, he is not clearly defined...how many "straight" buddies are constantly huging you and wanting to feel your face next to theirs after a close shave?
Hampus could just be one of those really physical people and Bjorn totally mis-read the situation and chose a moment to take advantage when his friend was drunk...but I wouldn't even say Hampus was vulnerable...Bjorn was the vulnerable one and it's for him that my heart breaks inspite of this terrible act.

You have a very definite and finite view of this short... "There was no sexual confusion, and he killed his friendship by introducing mistrust and sexual tension." I would love you to discuss further...but for sure I am not trying to ruffle feathers or say one view is right and the other is wrong.......just nice to hear a male pov!!

[lucrece]

Of course! I love a good discussion .

I take it Hampus's flirtations are common between a close friendship between straight man and a gay man. Hampus knows Bjorn is gay, so he just teases him. I got teased by straight friends, asking me to tell them who I think is hottest. It's all about putting you on the spot, to make you stumble. Male play is very aggressive like that.

As for me, it was clear that Hampus was straight when he proposed to take Bjorn to a gay bar to get him to stop sulking. So that both would have a date; Hampus with the girl; Bjorn with his boy. That Hampus was willing to get Bjron involved with another man indicates that Hampus had no interest in Bjorn. Add to that the more than comfortable intercourse Hampus had with the woman, and it becomes clear.

I do think it might be argued that perhaps Hampus wasn't upset with the fact that he slept with a man, but that Bjorn took advantage of him. Hampus was clearly drunk and asleep. Bjorn initiated contact. Unrequested contact. A person drunk enough to require a glass of water and falling asleep on a bed not his own despite prompting qualifies as someone with impaired judgement to me. His speech was all slurred, as well.

And so, I can understand his unpleasant surprise to find out that his best friend was getting all horny on his dick, going as far as to jack him off. I would be offended as well. This is just something you don't do. Unless there's a clear overture, it should always be assumed that your woman-dating friends will not want sexual contact from you.

Concerning the last bit of your post, the boundary I think was clear. Hampus was dating a woman, having sex with her, sharing intimacy. Hampus was not with Bjorn; this was clear. And Bjorn let his desire get the best of him. Poor judgement, really. And as we can see in the movie, the cohabitation "isn't working" anymore.

Men, particularly those in straight culture, are very sensitive about approaches from other men. One should tread carefully.

[lolaruns]

If it were a woman, I'm pretty sure she would object if somebody, either male or female, was fondling her privates or going down on her while she is asleep/drunk. And yeah "I've been secretly in love with you" doesn't really cut it in that kind of situation either.

So why would it be ok with a guy?

[seven14]

Mar 3, 2009 14:20:03 GMT -5 lolaruns said:

If it were a woman, I'm pretty sure she would object if somebody, either male or female, was fondling her privates or going down on her while she is asleep/drunk. And yeah "I've been secretly in love with you" doesn't really cut it in that kind of situation either.

So why would it be ok with a guy?

Hello Lola

Here is what I said in the small print of my second post:

I'm going to sidebar now and say that I do firmly believe that Bjorn should have kept his hands to himself..he crossed the line.....no matter how strong the urge...he should have exercised self-restraint.....BUT, I do think Hampus could have interrupted ...and he chose not to....regardless that doesn't make Bjorn and his actions right!![/color]

I don't think anyone who has responded so far is advocating that Bjorn's actions were in anyway right or acceptable.

Lucrece didn't mention my post specifically, but I think he was initially responding to and not agreeing with my having included "Hampus could have interrupted...and chose not to"but I don't take this to infer that he feels I think the action was in any way ok.

To me, this is a short movie where the story hasn't been fully told...I've used my imagination to give the story a more acceptable ending.... the offending action itself has happened..there is nothing I can do to change that event....but curse me, my sentiments still lie with Bjorn ...

[lucrece]

Yeah, my scolding of Bjorn was not related to your comment, seven; I love you .

I just reject the shifting of responsibility on the drunken party. Hampus was mentally impaired by alcohol; that alone should've signaled to Bjron to back off.

[seven14]

Mar 3, 2009 14:11:15 GMT -5 lucrece said:

Of course! I love a good discussion .

I take it Hampus's flirtations are common between a close friendship between straight man and a gay man. Hampus knows Bjorn is gay, so he just teases him. I got teased by straight friends, asking me to tell them who I think is hottest. It's all about putting you on the spot, to make you stumble. Male play is very aggressive like that.

As for me, it was clear that Hampus was straight when he proposed to take Bjorn to a gay bar to get him to stop sulking. So that both would have a date; Hampus with the girl; Bjorn with his boy. That Hampus was willing to get Bjron involved with another man indicates that Hampus had no interest in Bjorn. Add to that the more than comfortable intercourse Hampus had with the woman, and it becomes clear.

I do think it might be argued that perhaps Hampus wasn't upset with the fact that he slept with a man, but that Bjorn took advantage of him. Hampus was clearly drunk and asleep. Bjorn initiated contact. Unrequested contact. A person drunk enough to require a glass of water and falling asleep on a bed not his own despite prompting qualifies as someone with impaired judgement to me. His speech was all slurred, as well.

And so, I can understand his unpleasant surprise to find out that his best friend was getting all horny on his dick, going as far as to jack him off. I would be offended as well. This is just something you don't do. Unless there's a clear overture, it should always be assumed that your woman-dating friends will not want sexual contact from you.

Concerning the last bit of your post, the boundary I think was clear. Hampus was dating a woman, having sex with her, sharing intimacy. Hampus was not with Bjorn; this was clear. And Bjorn let his desire get the best of him. Poor judgement, really. And as we can see in the movie, the cohabitation "isn't working" anymore.

Men, particularly those in straight culture, are very sensitive about approaches from other men. One should tread carefully.

Hello Lucrece, Thank you...I get what you are saying..I guess I am imposing myself in Bjorn's situation...not that I would Evah do such a thing to anyone, but I guess I just can't see I'm sure because I do not know many guys on a friend-level guys being so familiar with one another without my thinking there has to be more to those actions than just brotherly friendship and concern.

But I can see where I would be totally misguided to believe that this type of affection doesn't exist outside of the sexual.

I don't want to be stubborn and ruin a good discussion, but I am afraid I am going to have to...as I wish to stick to my imaginary world where men aren't that familiar unless there are unresolved sexuality issues afoot I know, very weird and messed up world I live in[/color]

If not totally clear...I'm only discussing Bjorn and Hampus in their unfinished and incomplete celluloid state...not as real people where molestation charges should be brought to bear.

[seven14]

Mar 3, 2009 19:42:03 GMT -5 lucrece said:

Yeah, my scolding of Bjorn was not related to your comment, seven; I love you .

I just reject the shifting of responsibility on the drunken party. Hampus was mentally impaired by alcohol; that alone should've signaled to Bjron to back off.

Oh No Lucrece I love that you offered a true opinion and I honestly do get what you are saying and I wish I could stop from shifting a little blame to Hampus....How do we even know that Hampus wasn't out there getting himself drunk...or drunk enough..in hopes that Bjorn would actually try something...and it's only once Bjorn took the bait that Hampus realized that, No, he would not like to entertain a sexual relationship with Bjorn.

I mean...Hampus could have been questioning himself as well...we only are shown the perspective of Bjorn...we are clearly shown what is on and in his mind....but Hampus is unclear to us...only what we are shown and can hear...him with a girl and love-making sounds....but How do we really know that Hampus wasn't entertaining some thoughts of physicality with Bjorn all along?

[lucrece]

Well, Hampus's reaction to orgasm with Bjorn wasn't actually the most candid ;p.

[overtherainbow]

Yay! Swedish too! That means I can actually understand them!

It was really sad. But Bjørn had to have understood that doing that to him while drunk was a bad idea that could potentially ruin their friendship!

[lolaruns]

I am imposing myself in Bjorn's situation...not that I would Evah do such a thing to anyone, but I guess I just can't see I'm sure because I do not know many guys on a friend-level guys being so familiar with one another without my thinking there has to be more to those actions than just brotherly friendship and concern.

To me, it's kinda like with those movies or books that have a sympathetic portrayal of a straight guy, in love with the girl next door, who abducts her, takes away her clothes and locks her in a room so he can talk to her. Embrion

The reasons why these movies exist is because most people can empathize with the idea of being in love with somebody and just wanting to reach out like in this movie or just grab the object of the affection etc. Just because we can empathize with the feeling doesn't mean we should stylize the characters in question into heroes or sympathetic characters.

In reality there is no alternative to just talking to the object of our affection (if Hampus was questioning himself, Bjorn SHOULD HAVE TALKED TO HIM and if that isn't enough TALK TO HIM SOME MORE and SOME MORE if necessary; hit on him while he is completely sober) and I think we should have enough emotional distance to realize that it is not "Oh poor guy who is onesided in love".

It's not a question of gay or straight. Even if Bjorn had been a female best friend doing this to presumably straight Hampus, it still would have been icky and indefensible. You just don't do that kind of thing. There is a reason why people consider date rape a bad thing. It's about not respecting other people's choices (especially as a presumed friend). If somebody is really that in love they should be capable of waiting for the object of their affection to come around.

If you cross the line to do something to a judgement impaired person you necessarily cross the line from "poor sap" into "asshole". And no, it doesn't matter how long you have been secretly in love with somebody. Even if they are hitting on you, especially if your intentions as supposedly sincere you should wait around till they are sober again. If you don't, then well, you kinda lose the right to be surprised or shocked if they are not happy about it in the morning and it does make you the one who messed up the relationship.

Let's say it was Constantin and Judith from VL. We like him, we empathize with his crush, we think they are meant to be together, there is no gay/straight boundary between them, she did eventually realize that she had feelings for him. Yet if he had felt her up while she was sleeping, that still would have made him the asshole who ruined their relationship (and I do think that it would have made Constantin kinda creepy that he would resort to that).

[Difficult Diva]

Lola, I agree with you, 100% and that's why I felt the storyline and subject matter of the film was quite sad. These guys lose their friendship and trust, because of one person crossing the line in what was unacceptable behaviour.

[lolaruns]

With this particular line? My sympathy tends to be limited. No point over weeping over the tragedy of my situation if our friendship ended because I beat you over the head with a shovel or steal your money.

How good or sane a friendship could it really have been if you are willing to do that to somebody?

I don't really care for movies that seem to portray stuff like that as the only way out for poor tragic people. I'd much rather see movies about people who take the courage to talk to their crushes, for better or worse. Not movies that sell bad behavior as admirably tragic and it being about the poor suffing and longing of the perpertrator. It just rubs me really the wrong way.

[karina]

Firstly, I L-O-V-E Swedish! It's such a beautiful language and kind of cool since I can understand it without difficulity Secondly, yet another amazing short film produced by my neighbours along the lines of 'Lucky Blue' which was great as well ;D Thirdly, Hampus must be the strangest, but cutest name I've ever heard But finally and far more importantly, how much I wanted Bjørn and Hampus to be together, what Bjørn did was wrong I think that Hampus should have stopped him (come on, nobody's THAT drunk ), but still; Bjørn violated their friendship which I believe could have grown into something more if Bjørn had just been patient I mean, Hampus touched his hard-on for goodness' sake But of course, I could be wrong and Hampus could just be a guy who thought it was cool that he could be that close (not touching each other's hard-on's sense of the word) to another guy I mean, girls can nap together, talk etc. while being physically close without anything sexual going on, so why can't (straight) guys do the same?

[seven14]

Mar 3, 2009 22:52:15 GMT -5 lucrece said:

Well, Hampus's reaction to orgasm with Bjorn wasn't actually the most candid ;p.

Ok Lucrece you got me!

Darn it, I know every post doesn't have to be remarked on...but I find I can't resist.. ...What exactly about Hampus' reaction is inauthentic (aside from this being a short and not porn)?

Boy was breathing so hard I was afraid he was going to have an asthma attack!!

Trying hard to interject some lightness back into the post--seems to have gotten too reality based for me.

[lucrece]

LOL. Physical reactions are kinda hard to control.

Getting up from bed with a resentful look and walking back to his room while shit-faced (aka wasted) after waking up to Bjorn's sexual harassment is plenty enough of a sign that something went wrong.

[seven14]

Well, this thread has well and truly died I see...

I love Short movies...I love Happy[/color] shorts, but I also and more importantly love shorts that have weight to their story-telling.

I love the atmosphere (mood/lighting) that the writer and director infuses in the film, the pacing of the events (unfolding natuarally over awkward and rushed), and most of all I love the actors, taking the material to heart and no matter whether their character is good, bad, or a sweet face molestor of their BF (), they find some way to convey the full emotion of this character to us the viewer...corny ...maybe, but these are reasons I can say I love this short.

I found that this short left me wanting more, questioning what I have just seen, hoping and praying for a good ending, and most of all leaving me (a pretty shy person in person) with items to share and discuss with the good people on this great board!!

Ciao ya'll !!!

[lucrece]

Oh, make no mistake, I loved Hampus's flirtations, and I soooo wish he had been gay. He was HOT and infinitely adorable.

[quan87]

This vid is no longer on youtube. Is there any other way I can see this.