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SpangaS
Oct 9, 2009 15:47:20 GMT -5
Post by jjose712 on Oct 9, 2009 15:47:20 GMT -5
I'm really liking this storyline. I think i must check some old videos to get the full picture
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SpangaS
Oct 9, 2009 16:47:32 GMT -5
Post by devillies on Oct 9, 2009 16:47:32 GMT -5
i think this s/l is pretty good i all for flip gettin back with koen if koen makes a proper effort to apologize but it doesnt always work that way with us teens
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SpangaS
Oct 9, 2009 18:11:21 GMT -5
Post by mizuryuu on Oct 9, 2009 18:11:21 GMT -5
I like that Flip is happy again, but I really wish Koen did a bit of groveling before forgiving Koen...
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SpangaS
Oct 11, 2009 18:51:20 GMT -5
Post by justinate on Oct 11, 2009 18:51:20 GMT -5
Okay, how come the boys didn't get to kiss when they made up, like Tobi and Jessel did? Grrrr ...
But they are still totally cute; although I don't really feel nuKoen yet I'm starting to warm to him. I don't want to knock on the actor, but I've been in Koen's position and would've felt more sorry for him if the actor had done a better job selling his conflict.
By the way, did I miss something: what happened to the little gay triangle we had brewing and all of a sudden the third wheel is a girl? And I guess it's confirmed that Nelson (who is cute!) is not going to be involved in the Flip/Koen story?
And because it can't be said enough: THANK YOU, Mark, for your stellar job putting up and subtitling these two Dutch shows and providing miscellaneous information on them besides!
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SpangaS
Oct 12, 2009 1:00:14 GMT -5
Post by GTSTfanMark on Oct 12, 2009 1:00:14 GMT -5
I would've liked to have seen a kiss as well, but I think the scene we got was really great. The two brothers with their girlfriend and boyfriend. I didn't really miss a kiss to be honest. Koen holding Flip's hand was really great IMO. And cute too.
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SpangaS
Oct 12, 2009 10:48:16 GMT -5
Post by GTSTfanMark on Oct 12, 2009 10:48:16 GMT -5
Scenes from the first season of SpangaS:
This weekend I was shopping and saw the SpangaS dvd's for a really good price, so I bought them. When I have the time (I guess usually in the weekend) I will upload/subtitle Flip/Tobias scenes. Unfortunately the Flip/Mick storyline isn't on these dvd's. Only the first 100 episodes were released on dvd. The Flip/Mick storyline was part of episode 101-150. But despite that there's still some really interesting scenes (that I will eventually upload). It includes the scenes where the teacher Jochem Damstra comes out and during that same story we see Flip struggling with his sexuality as well. But first it's time for some Flip/Tobias pranks. ;D
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SpangaS
Oct 12, 2009 12:49:16 GMT -5
Post by GTSTfanMark on Oct 12, 2009 12:49:16 GMT -5
And today's scenes from the current season:
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HQ75
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SpangaS
Oct 12, 2009 14:28:58 GMT -5
Post by HQ75 on Oct 12, 2009 14:28:58 GMT -5
I would've liked to have seen a kiss as well, but I think the scene we got was really great. The two brothers with their girlfriend and boyfriend. I didn't really miss a kiss to be honest. Koen holding Flip's hand was really great IMO. And cute too. I think for me it's just about equal treatment? If Flip and Tessel kiss, Koen and Flip should kiss. That's part of being a couple and it's part of being gay and there's no difference between them kissing and Fay and her boyfriend kissing or Lanna and her boyfriend. I think getting back together with your boyfriend after a horrible breakup merits a kiss, on-screen so that we all get to go "awww" and enjoy the romance of the moment (the moment in the stairwell during the costume party when Koen leaned over and kissed Flip and said "I love you" was quick and innocent but so sweet and age appropriate, that's the kind of thing I'm missing). I don't think they should be kissing all the time or anything but I think I'm just very sensitive to the fact that the straight couples on the show display a lot more affection that Flip ever get's too. Even with Koen and Layla we saw them kiss OR hold hands every time they were together (and he didn't even really like her "that way") and I have yet to see Flip and Koen walk holding hands or with arms around or cuddle or anything. I think from the standpoint of kids, it's important for them to SEE kids being gay, not just talking about it. (If you know what I mean). Spangas is targeted towards kids and so that's how I try to see it when I'm watching it. I felt the same about Degrassi TNG (a very similar and award winning Canadian show geared toward the same age group that also had a gay kid, Marco) It's great to have a show that's well written and feels authentic and gives a layered presentation of a gay teen. BUT, the BIGGEST hurdle with having gay characters on tv (particularly under 18 characters) is displays of physical affection. Networks and show runners can be overly sensitive about gays kissing or hugging or touching (we know this from ATWT and other shows) and I just think if you're going to have a gay character you have to be prepared to treat them the same. Flip and Koen should hold hands sometimes and hug like they are in love sometimes just enough to remind people that it's a natural part of being boyfriends (not so much that it's over kill) If you didn't know Koen and Flip were dating and you happen to not have scene the few episodes where it's discussed, you would just think they were best friends and you could watch a lot of episodes and still not be entirely sure. So I guess that's where I'm coming from. The way Fay (WHO'S HAIR CUT IS FABULOUS!!!) walked in and her boyfriend gently touched her chin, you know immediately they were a couple even if you'd never seen the show before. Even with the other actor who portrayed Koen, I felt like his body language and the way he looked at Flip was very telling (even in episodes that were not about them being a couple, etc) Don't get me wrong, I love the show and It's not like I "need" displays of affection to enjoy it but I think for me it's just very jarring when you have episodes where Tessel and Tobias kiss so sweetly and I don't think I've ever even seen this "version" of Koen kiss Flip for real. It could be an acting choice or a directing choice but I don't see any affection (for lack of a better word) coming from the actor who plays Koen. I loved the hand holding but they were 87 miles apart on that couch and didn't move even with the reaching out of the hand. Who sits like that? Tessel and Tobias were like one creature the way they were intertwined. And I think it's that kind of scene that makes it so jarring. Koen and Flip have been a couple for over a year so their level of physical comfort with each other shouldn't be less than that with Tessel and Tobias (even though they'd been broken up for a bit) It just bugged me. My inner gay teenage boy was just like , Harumph!
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SpangaS
Oct 12, 2009 14:47:16 GMT -5
Post by GTSTfanMark on Oct 12, 2009 14:47:16 GMT -5
Oh, I totally get it and I agree with you. What might explain it is that the broadcaster NCRV is a Christian organization. NCRV is short for Nederlandse Christelijke Radio Vereniging (Dutch Christian Radio Organization). I'm not saying I'm okay with it (I think it pretty much sucks) but it could explain why there's less kissing/intimacy between Flip and Koen.
I'm not really a fan of the actor playing Koen. He played the character Fos on GTST for a couple of years (Barbara's nephew). I couldn't stand him and I wasn't impressed by his acting at all. I'm still not impressed.
Hmm. I think I might send them an e-mail saying how I feel about it. Voicing an opinion to TPTB can never hurt.
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SpangaS
Oct 13, 2009 4:07:06 GMT -5
Post by mizuryuu on Oct 13, 2009 4:07:06 GMT -5
I kinda agree that you can't telll that Koen and Flip is together if they don't explicitly mention it.... even on today's episode, after coming into the school, they stand in opposite side of the group huddle....
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SpangaS
Oct 13, 2009 12:21:25 GMT -5
Post by sweetsheep on Oct 13, 2009 12:21:25 GMT -5
Thanks Mark!!!!!!!! Now I had time to watch - and yeah, Flip and Tobias are so cooooool together. So Koen and Flip are back together... Well, taking the hand was cute, but I'm not reconciled with him... I know it's hard if your parents don't accept you the way you are, but he never mentioned it before and the explanation came out of the blue and so I'm still mad about how he treated Flip. And I agree with you kradamantium2525 about the kissing thing. Koen and his girlfriend kissed in almost every scene - so you can understand how hard it is for Flip... So of course Flip and Koen also have to kiss when they restart their realtionship, to mark out the new old direction of the story.
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SpangaS
Oct 13, 2009 13:12:11 GMT -5
Post by crash242 on Oct 13, 2009 13:12:11 GMT -5
I kinda agree and disagree with Krandam (btw love the way u express yourself) on the kissing thing in a way.
I mean it doesn't think its fair to expect the same from them as Tobias and Tessel seeing that there relationship is new and Flip and Koen been together for a year (i think) same goes for Koen and his ex girlfriend (cnt remember her name
Its understandable (to me at least) that they didnt kiss or were all over each other, but since Koen was recasted there relationship was rocky and i agree with everyone that theres like zero chemistry between them.
I think the scene with them holding hands was appropriate at the time i guess. I was actually hoping that Flip would be a little gun shy and stay away from Koen for a little bit. So i kinda understand why they didnt kiss and why flip sat so far away from him. I would love to see more affection between them now that Koen knows who he is for sure and all the drama between them seems to over now.
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SpangaS
Oct 13, 2009 13:17:50 GMT -5
Post by GTSTfanMark on Oct 13, 2009 13:17:50 GMT -5
Today's scenes:
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SpangaS
Oct 13, 2009 13:42:33 GMT -5
Post by maya on Oct 13, 2009 13:42:33 GMT -5
I know I'm in the minority here but I actually like new Koen better than the old one
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SpangaS
Oct 14, 2009 12:12:12 GMT -5
Post by GTSTfanMark on Oct 14, 2009 12:12:12 GMT -5
One short scene today:
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SpangaS
Oct 15, 2009 12:49:04 GMT -5
Post by GTSTfanMark on Oct 15, 2009 12:49:04 GMT -5
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SpangaS
Oct 15, 2009 13:31:10 GMT -5
Post by sweetsheep on Oct 15, 2009 13:31:10 GMT -5
Haha, cute! The bright blond one ist the new one, right?
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SpangaS
Oct 15, 2009 17:18:49 GMT -5
Post by GTSTfanMark on Oct 15, 2009 17:18:49 GMT -5
Yes, the blond guy is Nelson. And you're right Flip and Koen look adorable in those outfits.
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SpangaS
Oct 16, 2009 6:40:15 GMT -5
Post by sweetsheep on Oct 16, 2009 6:40:15 GMT -5
Flip and Koen look adorable in those outfits. Definitely! And Nelson looks very nice - I still would like him to be gay.
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SpangaS
Oct 16, 2009 9:24:03 GMT -5
Post by GTSTfanMark on Oct 16, 2009 9:24:03 GMT -5
Spangas on Survival is really popular. This morning they received the Golden Filmaward. That means that more than 100.000 people saw the movie so far (that's a lot in the Netherlands). A photo of (a part of) the cast with the award: Looks like Flip's hair will get a little longer. But I doubt we'll see it on the show anytime soon. I believe they film really far in advance. Because a year ago around this time the show won an award for best youth program and the actress playing Fay had already short hair when the cast accepted the award (I posted a clip of it in this thread). That means that what's airing right now was filmed about a year (!) ago.
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SpangaS
Oct 16, 2009 10:29:16 GMT -5
Post by Nitty on Oct 16, 2009 10:29:16 GMT -5
Thanks, Mark!
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SpangaS
Oct 16, 2009 11:00:15 GMT -5
Post by sweetsheep on Oct 16, 2009 11:00:15 GMT -5
Looks like Flip's hair will get a little longer. The first thing I noticed! ;D Thanks for the pic.
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SpangaS
Oct 16, 2009 15:33:09 GMT -5
Post by GTSTfanMark on Oct 16, 2009 15:33:09 GMT -5
I have no idea what's wrong with today's Spangas clip. I've uploaded it three times now, but it's not working. I wonder if it's a YT thing...
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SpangaS
Oct 16, 2009 15:39:57 GMT -5
Post by GTSTfanMark on Oct 16, 2009 15:39:57 GMT -5
It's working for me in Firefox, but not in Internet Explorer... Weird.
Edit: It's working for me in IE now too.
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SpangaS
Oct 16, 2009 17:13:12 GMT -5
Post by GTSTfanMark on Oct 16, 2009 17:13:12 GMT -5
Okay, it seems like there's not going to be any new Spangas episodes for a little while. The schools here have fall vacation and that's the reason why Spangas is not going to air new episodes. Although I'm not sure if it's 1 or 2 weeks.
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