Post by husky14620 on Oct 8, 2008 23:54:58 GMT -5
Brianmiddletonart and I were discussing our astonishment at our own reactions to this story. He wrote of surprise and pleasure at the response from around the world. His message to me invoked more feelings in me, and I felt I needed to express them, but also, I'd like to know what others feel and why. Please read this and comment:
brianmiddletonart wrote
I've been wondering why Ollian was such a grabber for me. I mean, I'm 63, and was sniffin' back the tears in certain situations. I think part of the reason is that Thore is so beautiful and so "on" as an actor and his portrayal of a tortured man struggling to come out speaks volumes for me, even though my own coming out wasn't nearly so traumatic. I just love watching this guy!
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At 51 myself, I'm also trying to understand what it is about the Ollian story that just grabs my gut so strongly. I know part of it is the incredibly good looks of BOTH Thore and Jo. But my reaction is too visceral to just be physical attraction. It's like a combination of jealousy, envy, joy, desire (for that kind of intimacy), regret, and a sort of vicarious connection to their 'reality'. And although Christian is generally my type, more so than Oliver, I find both characters incredibly ... desirable. I don't just mean that sexually. When Christian slid down the front of the vanity in the bathroom and started shaking, I just wanted to hold him in my arms and take all the pain away. And the same for Oliver when he's drinking in the dark dining room, and the lights go out in Christian and Coco's room.
While I know that Throe and Jo are each just playing a part, their performances and their support of their 'international' fans, who really aren't in any position to help their careers, speaks volumes toward the kind of people they are in real life. And the tendernesses they show each other cannot be faked at that level. I'm not suggesting either is Gay, but that they are truly tender, loving people in their real lives. And they obviously care about each other (platonicly) in real life. It shows through.
I think that it also has something to do with the isolation that so many gays and lesbians still feel in our lives. This story has two (attractive) guys being open and public about their love for each other, surrounded by straight people who love them no matter what. While this does happen for some of us, the reality is that too many of us have no such support, and are unable to express our love so openly. So many of our loved ones return our love for who they think we are, not who we really are. For many, probably most gays and lesbians, Christian's fear of losing Gregor IS the reality. Many families destroy their gay and lesbian members with scorn and rejection. Many careers are ruined by coming out as well. Christian's fear of not being able to follow his dream of boxing expresses this reality. And even Christian's apparent homophobia early in the story so honestly deals with the internalized homophobia we all feel and fight. Many Gay men fight against themselves for many, many years, and many never reach the level of acceptance that Christian was able to achieve so rapidly. To see that struggle so well portrayed touches our hearts and souls in the deepest and most rarely reached places.
Many more of us have been denied such a love, or worse, have denied it to ourselves. The response to this story is partially one of loneliness and longing. For me, seeing the kind of relationship I've always wanted, but never have been able to achieve, is at times emotionally overwhelming. I appreciate that the story can do that to me perhaps most of all. It means I can still feel those feelings, that I'm not as cynical as I sometimes think I've become.
brianmiddletonart also wrote:
Even more importantly, I think, is the fact that this series is reaching those in the world who have no freedoms or role models. I just hope that they aren't victimized by false hope from what is still a fiction. Much of the world is certainly ready for more transparency!
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But what wonderful hope, even if false! I am amazed by the public replies on the videos from places where gay people are still imprisoned or executed. And people like you and I, a generation not known for its participation in 'YouTube', who can't wait for Nanna to get the next episode subtitled and posted. (Much love to her as well for the incredible job she does.) The fact that this story HAS garnered this much love proves that despite the backlash of certain religious reactionaries, there is great hope for the future. Yes, there are still great dangers. And, to a small extent, Oliver's bashing illustrates those dangers. Timed so close to the anniversary of Matthew Shepard's death, Olli's collapse struck at the core of many of our fears.
But the hope is stronger. Light and truth drive out darkness and lies. The truth this story presents can never be driven from the world. It illuminates that the wonder of being in love is the same for us as for anyone else. And the younger generation is more enlightened because of stories like this, both real and fictional, that are taking place around the world.
Matt
brianmiddletonart wrote
I've been wondering why Ollian was such a grabber for me. I mean, I'm 63, and was sniffin' back the tears in certain situations. I think part of the reason is that Thore is so beautiful and so "on" as an actor and his portrayal of a tortured man struggling to come out speaks volumes for me, even though my own coming out wasn't nearly so traumatic. I just love watching this guy!
end quote
At 51 myself, I'm also trying to understand what it is about the Ollian story that just grabs my gut so strongly. I know part of it is the incredibly good looks of BOTH Thore and Jo. But my reaction is too visceral to just be physical attraction. It's like a combination of jealousy, envy, joy, desire (for that kind of intimacy), regret, and a sort of vicarious connection to their 'reality'. And although Christian is generally my type, more so than Oliver, I find both characters incredibly ... desirable. I don't just mean that sexually. When Christian slid down the front of the vanity in the bathroom and started shaking, I just wanted to hold him in my arms and take all the pain away. And the same for Oliver when he's drinking in the dark dining room, and the lights go out in Christian and Coco's room.
While I know that Throe and Jo are each just playing a part, their performances and their support of their 'international' fans, who really aren't in any position to help their careers, speaks volumes toward the kind of people they are in real life. And the tendernesses they show each other cannot be faked at that level. I'm not suggesting either is Gay, but that they are truly tender, loving people in their real lives. And they obviously care about each other (platonicly) in real life. It shows through.
I think that it also has something to do with the isolation that so many gays and lesbians still feel in our lives. This story has two (attractive) guys being open and public about their love for each other, surrounded by straight people who love them no matter what. While this does happen for some of us, the reality is that too many of us have no such support, and are unable to express our love so openly. So many of our loved ones return our love for who they think we are, not who we really are. For many, probably most gays and lesbians, Christian's fear of losing Gregor IS the reality. Many families destroy their gay and lesbian members with scorn and rejection. Many careers are ruined by coming out as well. Christian's fear of not being able to follow his dream of boxing expresses this reality. And even Christian's apparent homophobia early in the story so honestly deals with the internalized homophobia we all feel and fight. Many Gay men fight against themselves for many, many years, and many never reach the level of acceptance that Christian was able to achieve so rapidly. To see that struggle so well portrayed touches our hearts and souls in the deepest and most rarely reached places.
Many more of us have been denied such a love, or worse, have denied it to ourselves. The response to this story is partially one of loneliness and longing. For me, seeing the kind of relationship I've always wanted, but never have been able to achieve, is at times emotionally overwhelming. I appreciate that the story can do that to me perhaps most of all. It means I can still feel those feelings, that I'm not as cynical as I sometimes think I've become.
brianmiddletonart also wrote:
Even more importantly, I think, is the fact that this series is reaching those in the world who have no freedoms or role models. I just hope that they aren't victimized by false hope from what is still a fiction. Much of the world is certainly ready for more transparency!
end quote
But what wonderful hope, even if false! I am amazed by the public replies on the videos from places where gay people are still imprisoned or executed. And people like you and I, a generation not known for its participation in 'YouTube', who can't wait for Nanna to get the next episode subtitled and posted. (Much love to her as well for the incredible job she does.) The fact that this story HAS garnered this much love proves that despite the backlash of certain religious reactionaries, there is great hope for the future. Yes, there are still great dangers. And, to a small extent, Oliver's bashing illustrates those dangers. Timed so close to the anniversary of Matthew Shepard's death, Olli's collapse struck at the core of many of our fears.
But the hope is stronger. Light and truth drive out darkness and lies. The truth this story presents can never be driven from the world. It illuminates that the wonder of being in love is the same for us as for anyone else. And the younger generation is more enlightened because of stories like this, both real and fictional, that are taking place around the world.
Matt